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(Time)   Atheists are now creating their own anti-Nativity scenes   (ideas.time.com) divider line 478
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2012-12-02 09:25:41 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Lionel Mandrake: they never get up

never give up


see.... now I have Aces High stuck in my head... damn u.
 
2012-12-02 09:26:33 AM

Lionel Mandrake: inglixthemad: I always thought "E Pluribus Unum" made more sense on the money of a nation devoted to the theory of inclusion.

It was good enough for 180 years, but then...something something...and now people act like it was always "In God We Trust"


progress?
 
2012-12-02 09:26:36 AM
And then Christians will overreact to the overreaction. Things will escalate, and eventually it will cause an amendment to the constitution naming a religion for the US. (I know you don't believe this, but some of the most religious people in this country are Birthers, they won't back down. Ever.)

So if everyone would calm the fark down. Christians stop being pricks. Atheists stop being pricks. Everyone just enjoy the holiday season.
 
2012-12-02 09:27:25 AM

PhiloeBedoe: What's Anti-Nativity mean? Three dumb women travel to see a dying old man and steal sh*t from him?


You just wrote an epic comedy farce movie. The women can be played by Kristie Alley, Betty White, and Tina Fey. The old man can be played by Al Pacino. At the end of the movie, when he figures out what's going on, he goes all payback on them, with guns and car chases.
 
2012-12-02 09:30:43 AM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: Lionel Mandrake: The Supreme Court has ruled that when the government opens up public property to private citizens - when it creates a public forum for speech - it cannot discriminate in favor of some viewpoints and against others.  

So, STFU about your oppression and the WAR ON CHRISTMAS™ and pack up your nativity scenes and take them somewhere private. I bet your church would let you set up a creche on their property. Why, I bet any number of individuals and businesses would gladly let you set up your displays on their property.

STOP SETTING THIS SHIAT UP ON PUBLIC PROPERTY

While this is all technically correct, I still find it a bit sad. I consider myself agnostic, but I still grew up in a church doing Christmas plays and what not. Nativity scenes are part and parcel of Christmas, just like a Christmas tree, egg nog, turkey and ham dinners, and Christmas music talking about Jesus. Perhaps some or all of these things don't apply to your Christmas, or maybe you don't celebrate or even recognize Christmas in any way, but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it.

Nativity scenes inspire warm feelings of remembrance and tradition in many people, and public grounds are a great place to put them because so many people can enjoy them in a common locale. Now the laws are correct, it wouldn't be right to allow a pro-Christ display without allowing an anti-Christ display as well. However I think there should also be some sort of a "don't be a farking asshole" law that judges the intent of such a display or something. A nativity scene is most likely meant to inspire and spread happiness and remembrance, whereas an anti-Christ display would most likely be intended to upset people, or at least not have warm-fuzzies as the reasoning behind it, arguments about indoctrination or whatever regarding a nativity scene aside.

Okay so religion has done a whole lot of bad things. There are assholes that are religious. There are also assholes that are non religious, and ev ...[snip]


ok... i take that back... someone give this man TF... seriously cause I am poor as shiat.
 
2012-12-02 09:33:44 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: What exactly do atheistsChristians do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?


I'm going to go with "Attempt to force their backward religious beliefs into laws, schools, and government so that everyone is subject to their moral traditions" for $1000, Alex.

HindiDiscoMonster: see how that works both ways?


Yeah, it works well, as long as you're more concerned with advancing your own litany than with being truthful...

HindiDiscoMonster: though most seem to simply disregard the inconvenient parts.


... and that about wraps that up.  Thanks for playing.
 
2012-12-02 09:34:22 AM
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2012-12-02 09:34:55 AM

violentsalvation: jbc: jaylectricity: MaudlinMutantMollusk: that one's the wurst

Ugh.

When it comes to bad puns in Fark threads, the myrrh the merrier.

That makes no frankincense.


images.sodahead.com
 
2012-12-02 09:35:17 AM
What an anti-nativity scene might look like:

i.imgur.com

c'mon atheists... you aren't even trying with that boring-assed sign crappage.

On a serious note, it is time for municipalities to put away the nativity scenes for good. Let the churches and shopping malls handle that sort of thing.

Please continue to decorate the streets with wreaths, and even feature a "Christmas" tree (call it a holiday tree... whatever) though. It's a winter break for everybody, regardless of religion.
 
2012-12-02 09:35:55 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Chances are you did that stuff in church or at your house. Nobody says you shouldn't.

But the 1st Amendment is simple: if Christians get to put up their stuff on PUBLIC PROPERTY, then so does everyone else.

It's very simple. All or nothing.



ok, so don't be a dick for one month out of the year is to much for you? he was talking about those scenes evoking childhood memories of good times from youth, not religious indoctrination... is it really that hard to understand that people would like to have good memories once out of the year without some dick coming along and pissing all over it making that month just like every other month in the year? don't we see enough shiat in the news every farking day... can't people get 1 month... hell even just a week or a day to celebrate coming together in holiday cheer without some prick deciding that it's just too much?
 
2012-12-02 09:38:24 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Lionel Mandrake: Chances are you did that stuff in church or at your house. Nobody says you shouldn't.

But the 1st Amendment is simple: if Christians get to put up their stuff on PUBLIC PROPERTY, then so does everyone else.

It's very simple. All or nothing.

Yeah I get that. But I also think it's a simplistic and...um...cold? way of looking at it. Putting up an "atheist display" that says "There is no God or heaven" is incredibly dark to somebody that needs to believe that, or using your display to shiat on the nativity scene next door. I guess what I'd be happy with is saying you can put up whatever you want as long as it's not negative or some such thing. Do you see what I'm driving at? I don't want special rights for the Christians or anybody else, but I don't want to see a bunch of people being assholes to each other under the guise of fairness or justice or equal rights either.

I see. And who decides what makes something "negative" or "dark?"

A crucifix is pretty dark


maybe to an idiot.... to the athiest world it should be two sticks... to the Christian world it symbolizes Christ's sacrifice and redemption for all mankind... so no... not dark... it's a symbol of hope or firewood depending on which side of the fence you are on...

/don't be obtuse
 
2012-12-02 09:40:35 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Lionel Mandrake: The Supreme Court has ruled that when the government opens up public property to private citizens - when it creates a public forum for speech - it cannot discriminate in favor of some viewpoints and against others.  

So, STFU about your oppression and the WAR ON CHRISTMAS™ and pack up your nativity scenes and take them somewhere private. I bet your church would let you set up a creche on their property. Why, I bet any number of individuals and businesses would gladly let you set up your displays on their property.

STOP SETTING THIS SHIAT UP ON PUBLIC PROPERTY

While this is all technically correct, I still find it a bit sad. I consider myself agnostic, but I still grew up in a church doing Christmas plays and what not. Nativity scenes are part and parcel of Christmas, just like a Christmas tree, egg nog, turkey and ham dinners, and Christmas music talking about Jesus. Perhaps some or all of these things don't apply to your Christmas, or maybe you don't celebrate or even recognize Christmas in any way, but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it.

Nativity scenes inspire warm feelings of remembrance and tradition in many people, and public grounds are a great place to put them because so many people can enjoy them in a common locale. Now the laws are correct, it wouldn't be right to allow a pro-Christ display without allowing an anti-Christ display as well. However I think there should also be some sort of a "don't be a farking asshole" law that judges the intent of such a display or something. A nativity scene is most likely meant to inspire and spread happiness and remembrance, whereas an anti-Christ display would most likely be intended to upset people, or at least not have warm-fuzzies as the reasoning behind it, arguments about indoctrination or whatever regarding a nativity scene aside.

Okay so religion has done a whole lot of bad things. There are assholes that are religious. There are also assholes that are n ...


Separation from Church and state, I do not think you undersand.
 
2012-12-02 09:41:45 AM

gadian: I think you think too seriously about these things. Just let it go in these cases and you'll be much happier. It is what it is and this fight is better reserved for textbooks and national policy.


It's about drawing the battle lines.

You've got one side that wants a secular state. And another side who wants an entirely Christian state (see Dominionism).

If you've conceded that nativity scenes on the lawn and Ten Commandments on the courtroom wall, the next battle for them will be textbooks or medical policy.

Instead, if you engage at the near-trivial, you draw the battle there.

Does the general care about one acre of sloppy mud in Belgium? Not particularly. Except that conceding a thousand of those starts getting toward Paris.
 
2012-12-02 09:44:08 AM
If you are wound up so tight that nativity scenes get your panties in a wad, then I have some bad news for you, your life is going to be miserable.
 
2012-12-02 09:45:58 AM

Z-clipped: HindiDiscoMonster: What exactly do atheistsChristians do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?

I'm going to go with "Attempt to force their backward religious beliefs into laws, schools, and government so that everyone is subject to their moral traditions" for $1000, Alex.


I'm sorry, thats the wrong answer... the correct answer was "nothing"
/note how i didn't bold the other part of the post

HindiDiscoMonster: see how that works both ways?

Yeah, it works well, as long as you're more concerned with advancing your own litany than with being truthful...


and how is that untruthful?

HindiDiscoMonster: though most seem to simply disregard the inconvenient parts.

... and that about wraps that up.  Thanks for playing.


ok? your welcome? ashinctersayswhat?
 
2012-12-02 09:48:50 AM

get real: Separation from Church and state, I do not think you undersand.


don't be a dick... i don't think you get it.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-02 09:50:20 AM
Freely airing one's thoughts in a public forum through a decorative holiday display is only acceptable if you're a Xtian.

If you want to limit the ability of other people who disagree with you to air their opinions in proximity to you, stay on your goddamn property. Otherwise, if you're going to stand on your soapbox in the town square shouting you don't get to whine like a little biatch because other zealots show up and dilute your message.
 
2012-12-02 09:51:13 AM

scuffleball: Well done, atheists. You're creating stupid stuff to combat what you claim is stupid stuff.


Sometimes, you have to fight fire with fire.

HindiDiscoMonster: When did the Christians tie you up and strap you down and force feed their dogma to you? Did it look like this:


More like this:

phillips.blogs.com

www.slate.com

www.wired.com

www.zombietime.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

towleroad.typepad.com

images.huffingtonpost.com

mydailyclarity.com

www.kerr-of-ardgowan.com
 
2012-12-02 09:51:21 AM

smadge1: Atheists can put up their atheistic displays on their national atheist holiday seasons.

Fairs fair


We do. We're celebrating the winter solstice. A tradition dating back long before the the story of Jesus was cobbled together from even older stories. It's a date backed by observation, reason and/or science.

These days, it's just a good time to have a party. End of the year... beginning of winter... not a bad time for presents, either, a nice boost to retailers to finish out the year. Chop down and drag an evergreen into the house and hang crap on it, just like jesus would've done. It's pretty.

Besides... the christians started it by co-opting winter solstice to celebrate the birthday of a character in a book that, apparently, wouldn't have even been born in december, according to clues given in their own book.

So, who's celebrating whose holiday?

Sorry dude. Axial tilt is the reason for the season. Nothing else.
 
2012-12-02 09:52:28 AM

trappedspirit: If you are wound up so tight that nativity scenes get your panties in a wad, then I have some bad news for you, your life is going to be miserable.


thats what it seems to be doesn't it? something that not only doesn't hurt atheists, but also gives them a day off throws them into a tizzy because [nothing] forbid that someone might have a warm and fuzzy memory once in this farked up year of newsworthy bullshiat like killings and whatnot.... i wonder how insecure someone must be to feel that way?
 
2012-12-02 09:53:24 AM
Just like the rational Christians who show up in threads to state that not all Christians are dicks, I'm an atheist and couldn't care less about a nativity scene being displayed; public property or not.

You know why, because I'm a fscking atheist, which means I'm completely indifferent to it...it's just some figures like Santa or Frosty. If Christians (or any group) were putting up things that were hateful, I'd be against it. I understand that, legally, these trolls have every right to contest it and put up their own display if Christians are allowed theirs; but if you're going to make a point, how about putting up something which has an equal effect that a nativity scene sets out to achieve? Something that reflects kindness to others, good cheer, that isn't there simply to attack an opposing viewpoint, something other than "Hey, look at me, I'm an AW! Baby Jesus killed my father and raped my mother!".
 
2012-12-02 09:54:16 AM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: Lionel Mandrake: Chances are you did that stuff in church or at your house. Nobody says you shouldn't.

But the 1st Amendment is simple: if Christians get to put up their stuff on PUBLIC PROPERTY, then so does everyone else.

It's very simple. All or nothing.

Yeah I get that. But I also think it's a simplistic and...um...cold? way of looking at it. Putting up an "atheist display" that says "There is no God or heaven" is incredibly dark to somebody that needs to believe that, or using your display to shiat on the nativity scene next door. I guess what I'd be happy with is saying you can put up whatever you want as long as it's not negative or some such thing. Do you see what I'm driving at? I don't want special rights for the Christians or anybody else, but I don't want to see a bunch of people being assholes to each other under the guise of fairness or justice or equal rights either.


But telling kids they are going to burn in fire is just peachy, right.
 
2012-12-02 09:54:37 AM

Z-clipped: scuffleball: Well done, atheists. You're creating stupid stuff to combat what you claim is stupid stuff.

Sometimes, you have to fight fire with fire.

HindiDiscoMonster: When did the Christians tie you up and strap you down and force feed their dogma to you? Did it look like this:

More like this:

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[www.slate.com image 568x346]

[www.wired.com image 250x166]

[www.zombietime.com image 464x612]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 476x304]

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omg... you mean..... you might have to NOT look/listen????

/the horror!!!
 
2012-12-02 09:56:03 AM

roblarky: Just like the rational Christians who show up in threads to state that not all Christians are dicks, I'm an atheist and couldn't care less about a nativity scene being displayed; public property or not.

You know why, because I'm a fscking atheist, which means I'm completely indifferent to it...it's just some figures like Santa or Frosty. If Christians (or any group) were putting up things that were hateful, I'd be against it. I understand that, legally, these trolls have every right to contest it and put up their own display if Christians are allowed theirs; but if you're going to make a point, how about putting up something which has an equal effect that a nativity scene sets out to achieve? Something that reflects kindness to others, good cheer, that isn't there simply to attack an opposing viewpoint, something other than "Hey, look at me, I'm an AW! Baby Jesus killed my father and raped my mother!".


thank you... a voice of reason in a sea of derp.
 
2012-12-02 09:56:44 AM
A city policy saying Christian displays were allowed on public property but anti-Christian ones were not would violate the First Amendment ... A coalition of churches challenged the new policy as a violation of their religious rights.

Yup, sounds about right for a Christian...
 
2012-12-02 09:57:32 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: A city policy saying Christian displays were allowed on public property but anti-Christian ones were not would violate the First Amendment ... A coalition of churches challenged the new policy as a violation of their religious rights.

Yup, sounds about right for a Christian...



too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato
 
2012-12-02 09:59:02 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato


I appreciate you scoring your own post, but I was quoting the article directly.
 
2012-12-02 10:00:45 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: HindiDiscoMonster: too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato

I appreciate you scoring your own post, but I was quoting the article directly.


now thats cute... tubacksies... haven't seen that since 4th grade.

you of course know i was referring to your comment "Yup, sounds about right for a Christian..."

so again....

0/potatoe and no turnbacksies.
 
2012-12-02 10:01:33 AM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


An

Only if bald is a hair color.
 
2012-12-02 10:01:37 AM
Didn't read through the comments here, but the Santa Monica nativity scenes will in fact be going up next weekend. They will be on private property, along a major street in Santa Monica.
 
2012-12-02 10:02:26 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

An

Only if bald is a hair color.


The fark did that 'An' come from? Disregard that...
 
2012-12-02 10:05:36 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: you of course know i was referring to your comment "Yup, sounds about right for a Christian..."


... and? A coalition of churches challenged the First Amendment as a violation of their religious rights. They do this shiat all the time. So, like I said: Yup, sounds about right for a Christian...
 
2012-12-02 10:06:06 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: maybe to an idiot.... to the athiest world it should be two sticks...


Yeah, lol, two sticks with a dying, tortured man nailed to it. Nothing dark about that lol
 
2012-12-02 10:07:39 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: omg... you mean..... you might have to NOT look/listen????


So, are you ignoring the fact that all of these involve religious oppression of other groups because it destroys your position, or are you not bright enough to recognize the common theme in those photographs?

HindiDiscoMonster: and how is that untruthful?


I'm leaning toward "not too bright", personally.

HindiDiscoMonster: too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato


Wait... is this "performance art" or something?
 
2012-12-02 10:08:35 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: ok, so don't be a dick for one month out of the year is to much for you? he was talking about those scenes evoking childhood memories of good times from youth, not religious indoctrination... is it really that hard to understand that people would like to have good memories once out of the year without some dick coming along and pissing all over it making that month just like every other month in the year?



The churches already do that when they put up signs telling people that they're going to be tortured for eternity if they don't believe in the magical sky baby.

Are you saying that only Christians should be allowed to continue using borderline hate speech in their displays? Or are you saying that your greatest childhood memories are of seeing nativity displays with "believer" and "unbeliever" signs on each side, with the latter quoting Zechariah 14:12?
 
2012-12-02 10:09:13 AM
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Feh. I should really do an alt-check on any name I don't recognize before responding.

/plonk
 
2012-12-02 10:09:48 AM

squeez cheez: They will be on private property, along a major street in Santa Monica.


Terrific. Now everybody's happy. See?...that wasn't so hard.
 
2012-12-02 10:09:53 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: HindiDiscoMonster: you of course know i was referring to your comment "Yup, sounds about right for a Christian..."

... and? A coalition of churches challenged the First Amendment as a violation of their religious rights. They do this shiat all the time. So, like I said: Yup, sounds about right for a Christian...


ok... i'll bite.... i'll explain this slowly: the point was you are generalizing... you know, something thats generally frowned upon because its dumb. the reasons for you generalizing are irrelevant (you are dumb, you hate all Christians because they all look alike, or whatever the reason is), but the fact that you are generalizing and you have been here for a loooong time and have called others on generalizing means that you must have been trolling.
 
2012-12-02 10:10:31 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: trappedspirit: If you are wound up so tight that nativity scenes get your panties in a wad, then I have some bad news for you, your life is going to be miserable.

thats what it seems to be doesn't it? something that not only doesn't hurt atheists, but also gives them a day off throws them into a tizzy because [nothing] forbid that someone might have a warm and fuzzy memory once in this farked up year of newsworthy bullshiat like killings and whatnot.... i wonder how insecure someone must be to feel that way?


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2012-12-02 10:11:18 AM
It was British-born Flavius Constantinus (Constantine, originally Custennyn or
Custennin) (272-337) who authorised the compilation of the writings now called the New
Testament. After the death of his father in 306, Constantine became King of Britain, Gaul
and Spain, and then, after a series of victorious battles, Emperor of the Roman Empire.
Christian historians give little or no hint of the turmoil of the times and suspend
Constantine in the air, free of all human events happening around him. In truth, one of
Constantine's main problems was the uncontrollable disorder amongst presbyters and their
belief in numerous gods.
 
2012-12-02 10:12:31 AM

Gordon Bennett: Valiente: Now, get "In God We Trust" off your fecking money, and you'll be able to take a few more steps away from ignorance.

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Yea but Darwin was British and everyone knows God is an American. duh.
 
2012-12-02 10:14:36 AM
LesserEvil: It's a winter break for everybody, regardless of religion.

Or a summer break. Not regardless of hemisphere
 
2012-12-02 10:15:31 AM

Revek: I think these assholes are the reason i finally deicded on Apatheism. They remind me of christian wingnuts. They only feel free if they are trying to tell other hows to be free.


THIS! I may not believe in god, but I enjoy the christmas season and its trappings (except the commercialization and horrible music).

I see no reason to protest nativity scenes, they don't hurt anybody and are not obscene.
 
2012-12-02 10:16:24 AM
i.imgur.com

There, now we can all STFU and enjoy some cider.
 
2012-12-02 10:16:59 AM
Krampus and Black Pete need to come back into popular culture. Parents these days don't even use coal as a threat anymore, much less "sausagification" or ritual beatings.
 
2012-12-02 10:17:36 AM

Z-clipped: HindiDiscoMonster: omg... you mean..... you might have to NOT look/listen????

So, are you ignoring the fact that all of these involve religious oppression of other groups because it destroys your position, or are you not bright enough to recognize the common theme in those photographs?


op·pres·sion/əˈpreSHən/
Noun:

1 Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
2 The state of being subject to such treatment or control.

Besides the obvious trollbait kkk photo, in which of the others is anyone being oppressed? I see a bunch of people exercising their 1st amendment rights... what I do not see is any government sponsored oppression or limiting of freedoms or rights. Also note that standing on a soapbox spouting off to the clouds, air, or any citizens who happen to pass by is not "treatment" nor is it "control"


HindiDiscoMonster: and how is that untruthful?

I'm leaning toward "not too bright", personally.


you can lean toward whatever you like, but here... you may need this:
www.ikea.com

HindiDiscoMonster: too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato

Wait... is this "performance art" or something?


never did like performance art... to fufu for my taste.
 
2012-12-02 10:19:06 AM

StoPPeRmobile: HindiDiscoMonster: trappedspirit: If you are wound up so tight that nativity scenes get your panties in a wad, then I have some bad news for you, your life is going to be miserable.

thats what it seems to be doesn't it? something that not only doesn't hurt atheists, but also gives them a day off throws them into a tizzy because [nothing] forbid that someone might have a warm and fuzzy memory once in this farked up year of newsworthy bullshiat like killings and whatnot.... i wonder how insecure someone must be to feel that way?

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neat.

what was your point again?
 
2012-12-02 10:19:32 AM

Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda:

Not that I disagree with the sentiment; but you do realize, don't you, that we have ALWAYS gotten due process at courthouses--including the highest in the land--"covered in Christian labeling." Courthouses that oftener than not dispensed fairly even-handed justice regarding establishment of religion IN FAVOR of no religion at all, while sitting in a big building with "IN GOD WE TRUST" carved on the lintels.

The point being that it's really irrelevant whether the Christian god is invoked at a courthouse, or the Muslim god, or indeed the Norse gods or the Flying Spaghetti Monster--as long as DUE PROCESS is followed inside, which is theoretically religion-free, or should be. A Jewish judge should be able to sit on the bench with In God We Trust on the wall and still be relied upon to dispense justice to the Hindu and Buddhist complainants--and if he can't, then it hardly matters if the courtroom is scrubbed clean of every religious symbol known to man. I don't much care what the outside looks like, I just want to be sure the people inside are adhering to the law--they can practice in a cathedral for all I care, as long as the ru ...


Incorrect. Scopes Trial. Many, many, many times religion has gotten in the way of actual justice because the judge, jury, and lawmakers were too invested in their religion. You may be right in 90% (or more!) of cases, but "always" doesn't mean most of the time. We shouldn't settle for "most of the time."
 
2012-12-02 10:20:57 AM

trappedspirit: HindiDiscoMonster: maybe to an idiot.... to the athiest world it should be two sticks...

Yeah, lol, two sticks with a dying, tortured man nailed to it. Nothing dark about that lol


he can't die... he is wood or metal depending on how much you spend... of course I was talking about a cross, not a Catholic crucifix... they do love the whole torture thing.
 
2012-12-02 10:21:13 AM

dopekitty74: I see no reason to protest nativity scenes, they don't hurt anybody and are not obscene.


Either you hold the line, or you keep your mouth shut when the religious sneak in and ruin everything. We have members on the House Science Committee who regard climate change as a lie from the pits of Hell because the majority of Americans "see no reason to protest" because "they don't hurt anybody and are not obscene". Nativity scenes in the public square become the Ten Commandments on the courthouse steps becomes faith-based legislation becomes Christian Sharia.

Never turn your back on these people, for even a second.
 
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