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(Time)   Atheists are now creating their own anti-Nativity scenes   (ideas.time.com) divider line 443
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2012-12-02 09:50:20 AM  
Freely airing one's thoughts in a public forum through a decorative holiday display is only acceptable if you're a Xtian.

If you want to limit the ability of other people who disagree with you to air their opinions in proximity to you, stay on your goddamn property. Otherwise, if you're going to stand on your soapbox in the town square shouting you don't get to whine like a little biatch because other zealots show up and dilute your message.
 
2012-12-02 09:51:13 AM  

scuffleball: Well done, atheists. You're creating stupid stuff to combat what you claim is stupid stuff.


Sometimes, you have to fight fire with fire.

HindiDiscoMonster: When did the Christians tie you up and strap you down and force feed their dogma to you? Did it look like this:


More like this:

phillips.blogs.com

www.slate.com

www.wired.com

www.zombietime.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

towleroad.typepad.com

images.huffingtonpost.com

mydailyclarity.com

www.kerr-of-ardgowan.com
 
2012-12-02 09:51:21 AM  

smadge1: Atheists can put up their atheistic displays on their national atheist holiday seasons.

Fairs fair


We do. We're celebrating the winter solstice. A tradition dating back long before the the story of Jesus was cobbled together from even older stories. It's a date backed by observation, reason and/or science.

These days, it's just a good time to have a party. End of the year... beginning of winter... not a bad time for presents, either, a nice boost to retailers to finish out the year. Chop down and drag an evergreen into the house and hang crap on it, just like jesus would've done. It's pretty.

Besides... the christians started it by co-opting winter solstice to celebrate the birthday of a character in a book that, apparently, wouldn't have even been born in december, according to clues given in their own book.

So, who's celebrating whose holiday?

Sorry dude. Axial tilt is the reason for the season. Nothing else.
 
2012-12-02 09:53:24 AM  
Just like the rational Christians who show up in threads to state that not all Christians are dicks, I'm an atheist and couldn't care less about a nativity scene being displayed; public property or not.

You know why, because I'm a fscking atheist, which means I'm completely indifferent to it...it's just some figures like Santa or Frosty. If Christians (or any group) were putting up things that were hateful, I'd be against it. I understand that, legally, these trolls have every right to contest it and put up their own display if Christians are allowed theirs; but if you're going to make a point, how about putting up something which has an equal effect that a nativity scene sets out to achieve? Something that reflects kindness to others, good cheer, that isn't there simply to attack an opposing viewpoint, something other than "Hey, look at me, I'm an AW! Baby Jesus killed my father and raped my mother!".
 
2012-12-02 09:54:16 AM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: Lionel Mandrake: Chances are you did that stuff in church or at your house. Nobody says you shouldn't.

But the 1st Amendment is simple: if Christians get to put up their stuff on PUBLIC PROPERTY, then so does everyone else.

It's very simple. All or nothing.

Yeah I get that. But I also think it's a simplistic and...um...cold? way of looking at it. Putting up an "atheist display" that says "There is no God or heaven" is incredibly dark to somebody that needs to believe that, or using your display to shiat on the nativity scene next door. I guess what I'd be happy with is saying you can put up whatever you want as long as it's not negative or some such thing. Do you see what I'm driving at? I don't want special rights for the Christians or anybody else, but I don't want to see a bunch of people being assholes to each other under the guise of fairness or justice or equal rights either.


But telling kids they are going to burn in fire is just peachy, right.
 
2012-12-02 09:56:44 AM  
A city policy saying Christian displays were allowed on public property but anti-Christian ones were not would violate the First Amendment ... A coalition of churches challenged the new policy as a violation of their religious rights.

Yup, sounds about right for a Christian...
 
2012-12-02 09:59:02 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato


I appreciate you scoring your own post, but I was quoting the article directly.
 
2012-12-02 10:01:33 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


An

Only if bald is a hair color.
 
2012-12-02 10:01:37 AM  
Didn't read through the comments here, but the Santa Monica nativity scenes will in fact be going up next weekend. They will be on private property, along a major street in Santa Monica.
 
2012-12-02 10:02:26 AM  

ignatius_crumbcake: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

An

Only if bald is a hair color.


The fark did that 'An' come from? Disregard that...
 
2012-12-02 10:05:36 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: you of course know i was referring to your comment "Yup, sounds about right for a Christian..."


... and? A coalition of churches challenged the First Amendment as a violation of their religious rights. They do this shiat all the time. So, like I said: Yup, sounds about right for a Christian...
 
2012-12-02 10:06:06 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: maybe to an idiot.... to the athiest world it should be two sticks...


Yeah, lol, two sticks with a dying, tortured man nailed to it. Nothing dark about that lol
 
2012-12-02 10:07:39 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: omg... you mean..... you might have to NOT look/listen????


So, are you ignoring the fact that all of these involve religious oppression of other groups because it destroys your position, or are you not bright enough to recognize the common theme in those photographs?

HindiDiscoMonster: and how is that untruthful?


I'm leaning toward "not too bright", personally.

HindiDiscoMonster: too late into the thread... you should have read a bit of it first

0/potato


Wait... is this "performance art" or something?
 
2012-12-02 10:08:35 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ok, so don't be a dick for one month out of the year is to much for you? he was talking about those scenes evoking childhood memories of good times from youth, not religious indoctrination... is it really that hard to understand that people would like to have good memories once out of the year without some dick coming along and pissing all over it making that month just like every other month in the year?



The churches already do that when they put up signs telling people that they're going to be tortured for eternity if they don't believe in the magical sky baby.

Are you saying that only Christians should be allowed to continue using borderline hate speech in their displays? Or are you saying that your greatest childhood memories are of seeing nativity displays with "believer" and "unbeliever" signs on each side, with the latter quoting Zechariah 14:12?
 
2012-12-02 10:09:13 AM  
HindiDiscoMonster Account created: 2012-11-16 08:17:22

Feh. I should really do an alt-check on any name I don't recognize before responding.

/plonk
 
2012-12-02 10:09:48 AM  

squeez cheez: They will be on private property, along a major street in Santa Monica.


Terrific. Now everybody's happy. See?...that wasn't so hard.
 
2012-12-02 10:10:31 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: trappedspirit: If you are wound up so tight that nativity scenes get your panties in a wad, then I have some bad news for you, your life is going to be miserable.

thats what it seems to be doesn't it? something that not only doesn't hurt atheists, but also gives them a day off throws them into a tizzy because [nothing] forbid that someone might have a warm and fuzzy memory once in this farked up year of newsworthy bullshiat like killings and whatnot.... i wonder how insecure someone must be to feel that way?


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2012-12-02 10:11:18 AM  
It was British-born Flavius Constantinus (Constantine, originally Custennyn or
Custennin) (272-337) who authorised the compilation of the writings now called the New
Testament. After the death of his father in 306, Constantine became King of Britain, Gaul
and Spain, and then, after a series of victorious battles, Emperor of the Roman Empire.
Christian historians give little or no hint of the turmoil of the times and suspend
Constantine in the air, free of all human events happening around him. In truth, one of
Constantine's main problems was the uncontrollable disorder amongst presbyters and their
belief in numerous gods.
 
2012-12-02 10:12:31 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Valiente: Now, get "In God We Trust" off your fecking money, and you'll be able to take a few more steps away from ignorance.

[www.hotlikesauce.com image 618x530]


Yea but Darwin was British and everyone knows God is an American. duh.
 
2012-12-02 10:14:36 AM  
LesserEvil: It's a winter break for everybody, regardless of religion.

Or a summer break. Not regardless of hemisphere
 
2012-12-02 10:15:31 AM  

Revek: I think these assholes are the reason i finally deicded on Apatheism. They remind me of christian wingnuts. They only feel free if they are trying to tell other hows to be free.


THIS! I may not believe in god, but I enjoy the christmas season and its trappings (except the commercialization and horrible music).

I see no reason to protest nativity scenes, they don't hurt anybody and are not obscene.
 
2012-12-02 10:16:24 AM  
i.imgur.com

There, now we can all STFU and enjoy some cider.
 
2012-12-02 10:16:59 AM  
Krampus and Black Pete need to come back into popular culture. Parents these days don't even use coal as a threat anymore, much less "sausagification" or ritual beatings.
 
2012-12-02 10:19:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda:

Not that I disagree with the sentiment; but you do realize, don't you, that we have ALWAYS gotten due process at courthouses--including the highest in the land--"covered in Christian labeling." Courthouses that oftener than not dispensed fairly even-handed justice regarding establishment of religion IN FAVOR of no religion at all, while sitting in a big building with "IN GOD WE TRUST" carved on the lintels.

The point being that it's really irrelevant whether the Christian god is invoked at a courthouse, or the Muslim god, or indeed the Norse gods or the Flying Spaghetti Monster--as long as DUE PROCESS is followed inside, which is theoretically religion-free, or should be. A Jewish judge should be able to sit on the bench with In God We Trust on the wall and still be relied upon to dispense justice to the Hindu and Buddhist complainants--and if he can't, then it hardly matters if the courtroom is scrubbed clean of every religious symbol known to man. I don't much care what the outside looks like, I just want to be sure the people inside are adhering to the law--they can practice in a cathedral for all I care, as long as the ru ...


Incorrect. Scopes Trial. Many, many, many times religion has gotten in the way of actual justice because the judge, jury, and lawmakers were too invested in their religion. You may be right in 90% (or more!) of cases, but "always" doesn't mean most of the time. We shouldn't settle for "most of the time."
 
2012-12-02 10:21:13 AM  

dopekitty74: I see no reason to protest nativity scenes, they don't hurt anybody and are not obscene.


Either you hold the line, or you keep your mouth shut when the religious sneak in and ruin everything. We have members on the House Science Committee who regard climate change as a lie from the pits of Hell because the majority of Americans "see no reason to protest" because "they don't hurt anybody and are not obscene". Nativity scenes in the public square become the Ten Commandments on the courthouse steps becomes faith-based legislation becomes Christian Sharia.

Never turn your back on these people, for even a second.
 
2012-12-02 10:27:49 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: what I do not see is any government sponsored oppression or limiting of freedoms or rights


You can't make your troll alts this obtuse, or people will get bored with you. It's no fun beating on your ignorant ass if I have to teach you American History in order to do it. Better luck next time.
 
2012-12-02 10:30:52 AM  
Good. Judge ruled correctly. I work in the Pacific Palisades/Malibu area. There are plenty of churches in the area to place these Nativity scenes on.
 
2012-12-02 10:35:03 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: calling me a troll does not make you right... just saying.


Well, it's either that, or you're too stupid and/or dishonest to have an actual discussion with. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Either way, you're not worth the time.
 
2012-12-02 10:35:42 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.



You get childhood memories of Christmas dinner from reading signs saying "Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths"?

And you say I'm the one with terrible childhood memories...
 
2012-12-02 10:39:47 AM  

Bob Down: LesserEvil: It's a winter break for everybody, regardless of religion.

Or a summer break. Not regardless of hemisphere


True, if I was not talking specifically about the US, of course.

...although to be nitpicky, the US has plenty of things going on south of the equator, too.

At least we have a more secular celebration to plan a July break (is that better than 'summer'?) around.
 
2012-12-02 10:40:04 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: obviously you never had a family in childhood... you must have never had pie, or Christmas dinner, or presents or happy children in your life... I would hate to see what terrible memories you must have of childhood if it brings you to hate anyone who might have a good memory to express.

/I pitty and am sorry for you


Not everyone wants a "The White People TM" Christmas dickhead. You assholes are the reason we have Christmas carols going nonstop since Thanksgiving.
 
2012-12-02 10:41:08 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Never turn your back on these people, for even a second.


I really do see where you're coming from, and it's honestly difficult to have to argue against it as I used to feel exactly the same.

However, I've decided to base my feelings on matters contextually. Meaning, in this context, it's not "obscene" nor hurting anybody, therefore I'm indifferent. When any group crosses that line, changing the context (like having the Ten Commandments on the courthouse steps), I would become vocal against it because it's a blatant effort to associate their beliefs with the legal system. A Nativity scene isn't infringing anyone's rights nor attempting to shove anything down their throats.

That's like stating that the thousands (no idea here, just pulling out a likely figure) of homeless people who are fed and sheltered by religious groups should be left hungry and sleeping on benches in said public parks because to allow Christians to feed and/or shelter them is somehow manipulating a person in desperation and somehow leads to Christians infringing on my rights or forcing their beliefs down my throat.

At the end of the day, most religions, when properly interpreted and practiced, have similar goals: be nice and do for others as you would hope they would do for you.

Sure, there are DROVES of religious people who interpret and selectively follow some parts while ignoring other areas; just as there are plenty of Atheists who set out to attack religion.

So for me, I choose my battles based on context. As I said earlier, Atheists should certainly exercise their right to setup a display, but I feel it should be used to show that we are just as caring and kind-spirited as our (rational, non-asshole) Christians are. That we're not a bunch of extremists set out to make people unhappy.

Just my thoughts, not my place to tell anyone what they should think.
 
2012-12-02 10:41:43 AM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: I guess what I'd be happy with is saying you can put up whatever you want as long as it's not negative or some such thing.


I like this idea. How about true? I don`t want lies put up and they are pretty negative so how about anything not negative that can be proven to be true?

Then nobody says nasty things OR lies, that MUST be a good thing, yes?
 
2012-12-02 10:43:54 AM  

ignatius_crumbcake: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

An

Only if bald is a hair color.


Only if black is a color
 
2012-12-02 10:44:26 AM  
I'm partial to the "It's a Girl" one from Wisconsin, I believe it was in the last couple of years.

ffrf.org
 
2012-12-02 10:46:59 AM  

roblarky: Meaning, in this context, it's not "obscene" nor hurting anybody, therefore I'm indifferent. When any group crosses that line, changing the context (like having the Ten Commandments on the courthouse steps), I would become vocal against it because it's a blatant effort to associate their beliefs with the legal system. A Nativity scene isn't infringing anyone's rights nor attempting to shove anything down their throats.


This is precisely the attitude they feed on. Don't say I didn't warn you...
 
2012-12-02 10:47:32 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you come in talking about how atheist don't do this or don't' do that but the truth is that they just do different asshole things.

For example?

Revek: I just simply don't care how wrong you are about the tendency of atheist to be just as uncompromising in their quest to be... Well assholes

When are atheists uncompromising?

When they demand that the Constitution be applied equally to all groups? When they fight to keep "Intelligent Design" out of science textbooks? When, like one guy sues over "In God We Trust" on the money? OK, that guy's an ass, but I happen to agree it doesn't belong there. Nevertheless, that is like ONE guy. Unless he's your neighbor or a relative, you can easily ignore the whole thing.

What exactly do atheists do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?


Their douchiness is incredibly annoying. Isn't that enough reason to complain about them?
 
2012-12-02 10:49:54 AM  

Revek: Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you come in talking about how atheist don't do this or don't' do that but the truth is that they just do different asshole things.

For example?

Revek: I just simply don't care how wrong you are about the tendency of atheist to be just as uncompromising in their quest to be... Well assholes

When are atheists uncompromising?

When they demand that the Constitution be applied equally to all groups? When they fight to keep "Intelligent Design" out of science textbooks? When, like one guy sues over "In God We Trust" on the money? OK, that guy's an ass, but I happen to agree it doesn't belong there. Nevertheless, that is like ONE guy. Unless he's your neighbor or a relative, you can easily ignore the whole thing.

What exactly do atheists do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?

That you seek to tell us all how this unknown thing is this way rather than that way. In this respect you are identical to the theist. And how is it that the guy who wants in god we trust off the money is any different from the guy who want the nativity scene off the public land. To me, Both assholes. These things don't force you to go to church. They don't force you to believe. If it offends the eye then do not look upon it, My eyes see it all with equal doubt and I am not offended.

 

And therefore, everyone else is an asshole.
/Better not disagree with me, you jerk
 
2012-12-02 10:53:18 AM  

Revek: log_jammin: Revek: How exactly do you smack around a troll? If they are truly trolling how do you piss on their parade, prove them wrong or otherwise do anything to smack them other than not respond.

It's easy actually. you just use their words against them, until they get caught in a trap of their own doing. At that point they usually slink away.

A troll cares nothing for traps or for how you use their words. They just want a response. They slink away because your boringly predictable.


What? Boringly predictable what?
 
2012-12-02 10:54:17 AM  

bigheadface: Revek: Lionel Mandrake: Revek: That you come in talking about how atheist don't do this or don't' do that but the truth is that they just do different asshole things.

For example?

Revek: I just simply don't care how wrong you are about the tendency of atheist to be just as uncompromising in their quest to be... Well assholes

When are atheists uncompromising?

When they demand that the Constitution be applied equally to all groups? When they fight to keep "Intelligent Design" out of science textbooks? When, like one guy sues over "In God We Trust" on the money? OK, that guy's an ass, but I happen to agree it doesn't belong there. Nevertheless, that is like ONE guy. Unless he's your neighbor or a relative, you can easily ignore the whole thing.

What exactly do atheists do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?

That you seek to tell us all how this unknown thing is this way rather than that way. In this respect you are identical to the theist. And how is it that the guy who wants in god we trust off the money is any different from the guy who want the nativity scene off the public land. To me, Both assholes. These things don't force you to go to church. They don't force you to believe. If it offends the eye then do not look upon it, My eyes see it all with equal doubt and I am not offended. 

And therefore, everyone else is an asshole.
/Better not disagree with me, you jerk


No and I disagree.
 
2012-12-02 10:56:57 AM  

roblarky: most religions, when properly interpreted


lol
 
2012-12-02 11:02:05 AM  
meh... the courts got it right - allow all points of view to be displayed equally on public property, or allow nothing. That way - no one is offended - and no particular point of view is "supported' over a different point of view.

Quite frankly ... people that are so narrow minded, who believe only their particular 'point of view' is the 'correct' one, are people I typically want to stay as far, far away from as I possibly can.
 
2012-12-02 11:04:08 AM  

jbc: jaylectricity: MaudlinMutantMollusk: that one's the wurst

Ugh.

When it comes to bad puns in Fark threads, the myrrh the merrier.


Frankly, I am incensed by this.
 
2012-12-02 11:07:38 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: Christians have to draw athiests into a shiat fight or they'll just continue to sink into irrelevance.


You've never paid much attention to Fark threads, I see.
Nothing brings out the Anti-Theists like a Fark religious themed thread...like this one for example.
Do pay better attention in future, mr. moskowitz
/you have no excuse,you've been here awhile now.
 
2012-12-02 11:13:22 AM  
Anything that upsets and frustrates the religious is a win for mankind.

Eradicate religious mental illness.
 
2012-12-02 11:13:49 AM  

craig328:
Arlington national cemetery is public land as well...guess what you'll see all over the place there. Public land does not necessarily in and of itself mean no religious symbols whatsoever...mostly because it can be argued that banning such promotes atheism and is prohibiting the free exercise of religion.


Arlington is an example that supports what happened in this story. Any group can be represented there which means the government is not endorsing one religion (which is constitutionally sound). The following symbols are available for gravestones there:

img38.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-02 11:15:05 AM  
Puppets, acting as I bid. These fools don't understand that not believing in God or myself takes more faith than believing.

And nobody knows or can accept that the very thing they report not to believe in is orchestrating their every move.

Fools.
 
2012-12-02 11:27:18 AM  
Or you know, they could be decent human beings and not care about nativity scenes and just go about their life. But most militant atheists are no better for the communities they live in than Bible Thumpers.
 
2012-12-02 11:28:54 AM  

roblarky: A Nativity scene isn't infringing anyone's rights nor attempting to shove anything down their throats.


Nor is a sign that says "Happy Holidays" or "Love is within you", but that didn't stop them from being vandalized for not promoting the christian mythology.

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-02 11:30:51 AM  

DaCaptain19: Puppets are - by definition - brainless beings.

And I am your puppet-master. I use the media to sow fear, hatred and discord while you march - under my controlling hand - to buy your petty guns for a lie I conjured and events which will never happen.

I call my puppets hu-MANS and I create them as fools.


DaCaptain19: Puppets, acting as I bid. These fools don't understand that not believing in God or myself takes more faith than believing.

And nobody knows or can accept that the very thing they report not to believe in is orchestrating their every move.

Fools.


Wow, you are really puppeting up the threads today
 
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