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2012-12-02 06:36:36 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Terrible Old Man: Ah, Atheism. A religion just as arrogant, ignorant, and full of dickery as any other. Unfortunately, for a group of people with absolutely nothing to say, we sure hear a lot of it.

That was an awful lot of stupid packed into two brief sentences.


Well said. But...Poe's Law.

10/10 if that's the case.
 
2012-12-02 06:38:15 AM  

Jarhead_h: Terrible Old Man: Ah, Atheism. A religion just as arrogant, ignorant, and full of dickery as any other. Unfortunately, for a group of people with absolutely nothing to say, we sure hear a lot of it..


Applause.

Anti-nativity scenes? Now it's willfully ignorant mithra/fertility goddess worshippers versus those oh so pleasant people who believe in nothing and never miss a chance to remind you about it.

And all of it set to Bing farking Crosby.
 
2012-12-02 06:40:00 AM  

Valiente: Now, get "In God We Trust" off your fecking money, and you'll be able to take a few more steps away from ignorance.


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2012-12-02 06:41:21 AM  
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2012-12-02 06:42:30 AM  

Jarhead_h: Terrible Old Man: Ah, Atheism. A religion just as arrogant, ignorant, and full of dickery as any other. Unfortunately, for a group of people with absolutely nothing to say, we sure hear a lot of it.



Anti-nativity scenes? Now it's willfully ignorant mithra/fertility goddess worshippers versus those oh so pleasant people who believe in nothing and never miss a chance to remind you about it.


Atheism = belief in nothing

out-stupided only by:

Atheism = Satan worship
 
2012-12-02 06:55:12 AM  
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2012-12-02 06:56:00 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Valiente: Now, get "In God We Trust" off your fecking money, and you'll be able to take a few more steps away from ignorance.

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so you would rather have darwin on our money and be a bankrupt nanny state like GB?
 
2012-12-02 06:56:48 AM  
I'm an atheist who loves Christmas. F*cking jews. F*ck with your own holiday traditions.
 
2012-12-02 07:03:11 AM  
just curious after reading the article, wouldn't an anti-christian display be hate speech and would not this be the government condoning hate towards christians?
 
2012-12-02 07:10:06 AM  

Waldo Pepper: just curious after reading the article, wouldn't an anti-christian display be hate speech and would not this be the government condoning hate towards christians?



Trolololol?
 
2012-12-02 07:11:50 AM  

mekki: The public as by tradition. If they think what you are doing is negative and dark, there's a good chance it is. And if they deem you a dick for doing such displays, there's also a good chance you are.


To many Christians, anything involving, mentioning, or implying Atheism is considered "dark". I could very easily imagine enough people of Santa Monica would complain about even a simple "Have a Happy Winter Solstice and Holiday Season from the Atheists of Santa Monica" display, because atheism is "dark: to them (not to mention not directly referencing Christmas), to cause a problem.

No, the Santa Monica government did the right thing. They tried to allow all equally, the atheists followed the rules, and then someone (most likely Christian, with the slim possibility of an atheist or other doing it to stir up the pot) couldn't accept that the atheists were given equal voice and vandalized their displays. So, this time the government very rightly decided that it would be easier for all concerned if they just put a blanket ban on displays on PUBLIC PROPERTY (emphasis, because many people seem to be missing this key point here). All are banned equally. NONE are banned from putting displays up on private property.

And yet, it is the Christians who are complaining that their rights are being infringed because they are not being accorded special privileges, but rather all are being treated equally under the law.

Ed Grubermann: How hard is that to understand?


There seem to be an incredibly large number of people in this thread who are missing the point, either deliberately or out of ignorance. I guess it's just much easier to complain about uppity atheists demanding equal application of the law. :-/
 
2012-12-02 07:13:27 AM  
Yeah! FARK hate speech thread on hate speech.
 
2012-12-02 07:14:30 AM  

Waldo Pepper: just curious after reading the article, wouldn't an anti-christian display be hate speech and would not this be the government condoning hate towards christians?

Vix's display included a quotation from Thomas Jefferson: "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."


OMG!! HATE SPEECH!!!
 
2012-12-02 07:15:23 AM  
When an Xtian tries to convert me or tell me I'm going to "Hell", is that "hate speech"? Not only are they disagreeing with my view of life and religion, they're threatening me with ETERNAL DAMNATION if I don't do what they say (and that's about the worst thing you can threaten someone with).

How is that acceptable, but freedom FROM that is "hate speech"? You farkers.
 
2012-12-02 07:15:43 AM  
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2012-12-02 07:24:06 AM  
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All they do is put up signs? That's boring.
 
2012-12-02 07:27:27 AM  

RDixon: Xmas.

That is all.


I more or less despise Christianity, but even I have the courtesy of calling it "Christmas." "Xmas" to me has always come across as extremely petty and needlessly caustic unless the person using is it using it as a genuine abbreviation (which was common long before the "War on Christmas" was even a phrase).

There are many factual ways to irritate Christians if that's your thing, without resorting to denigrating their holiday. I irritate Christians frequently, but only via rebuttal to stupid claims on their part. But stooping to that as an insult is pretty damn douchey if you ask me.

/only celebrates Lord Kimbo Day
 
2012-12-02 07:28:40 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Supreme Court has ruled that when the government opens up public property to private citizens - when it creates a public forum for speech - it cannot discriminate in favor of some viewpoints and against others.


this is how the challenge for Citizens United should proceed. based upon this ruling. because when they said money=speech they themselves created a forum for speech that was inherently discriminatory on the basis of wealth.
 
2012-12-02 07:29:34 AM  
Christians have to draw athiests into a shiat fight or they'll just continue to sink into irrelevance.

Some ethos desperately need an enemy for their on existence to be meaningful.
 
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2012-12-02 07:29:38 AM  

Revek: I think these assholes are the reason i finally deicded on Apatheism. They remind me of christian wingnuts. They only feel free if they are trying to tell other hows to be free.


That's the point. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
 
2012-12-02 07:36:23 AM  

Revek: That you seek to tell us all how this unknown thing is this way rather than that way. In this respect you are identical to the theist.


You're mistaken. Atheists don't give a fark what you believe or don't believe. They just want your religious bullshiat out of government and schools.

nmemkha:
I have no problem with tasteful and respectful holiday displays from any religion or group.


Neither do I. As long as they aren't on government property.

HotWingAgenda: Dude, shhhhhh. Just tell them that the worst, most infuriating thing they can do is worship privately without involving our governmental institutions.


Yeah, I'll tell you... what would really get my dander up is if I couldn't tell who believed in gods and who didn't. If all theists kept that shiat secret, and only prayed silently and privately?... man, that would drive me nuts. I'd feel like there were ninja-believers all around me, all the time. Shoot, I'd probably have to start believing in Jesus myself, I'd be so mad. Please Xians, continue to behave like whiny children every time someone challenges your infringement on the Establishment Clause, so I can continue hating the God that I secretly believe in deep down... I just don't know what I'd do if didn't have that fire to keep me warm at night.
 
2012-12-02 08:02:21 AM  
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2012-12-02 08:10:16 AM  
Its more than just a religious thing. Its cultural, traditional, and makes people feel good. the term militant atheist was coined because of people like this.
 
2012-12-02 08:11:10 AM  
That there is a dick move.


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2012-12-02 08:11:16 AM  
Atheism is srs business. They're passionate people, too!

They're passionate. They want you to know that.

What they say is important!! Listen.
 
2012-12-02 08:17:09 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Yeah! FARK hate speech thread on hate speech.


1/10 - Go 'way, puto.
 
2012-12-02 08:24:22 AM  
Theism is not a religion. Atheism is similarly NOT a religion. But it's trolltacular that so many think otherwise!
 
2012-12-02 08:25:27 AM  

fireclown: That there is a dick move.


I know, right?... If the Xians hadn't vandalized the other displays, everyone could have had their holiday fun. Now no one can. What a bunch of assholes.

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


*Yawn*
 
2012-12-02 08:30:21 AM  
Maybe the government and states should stop with all the paid holidays. Don't like Christmas, New Year Day, Martin King Day etc. no big deal it is just another work day.
 
2012-12-02 08:32:03 AM  

jodaveki: Theism is not a religion. Atheism is similarly NOT a religion. But it's trolltacular that so many think otherwise!


yeah, and bald is not a hair color
 
2012-12-02 08:40:05 AM  
If someone happens to have no faith in a Creator, then the word 'atheist' is simply a descriptor or an attribute. Those who take on Atheist as an identity in itself can universally be regarded as smarmy, conceited, and belligerent tossers. This thread bears those facts out plainly.

The motivations for the Schoolboy Atheist are generally anger and resentment. Those who simply had no faith would have no interest in such discussions. It's safe to say that the common heathen just doesn't care -- but these lads here? They have serious mommy and daddy issues.
 
2012-12-02 08:41:16 AM  

Mock26: Lionel Mandrake: Revek: I believe that everything is at its best when it is in balance.

Right. No religious displays on public land. This includes everyone. How do you get more balanced than that?

There's one and only one other way that's balanced: everyone gets to put up religious displays on public property.

I'm good either way, but I think the "nobody" option would be waaaayy easier.

I am sure that some christians would say that no display supports atheism!


And indeed the fact that this city is going with the no display option had causes exactly that! Shocking!
 
2012-12-02 08:41:24 AM  

lordjupiter: When an Xtian tries to convert me or tell me I'm going to "Hell", is that "hate speech"? Not only are they disagreeing with my view of life and religion, they're threatening me with ETERNAL DAMNATION if I don't do what they say (and that's about the worst thing you can threaten someone with).

How is that acceptable, but freedom FROM that is "hate speech"? You farkers.


0/10
There was a shiat ton of wharrrrrgrrrbble on this thread. You win the prize for the most.
 
2012-12-02 08:47:36 AM  
Since Jesus was made up and given the green light by Constantine and Santa is another myth, the 25th of December should be celebrated because the sun sets 1 degree higher and the days start getting longer and the wolves go away.
 
2012-12-02 08:58:42 AM  
Active outspoken Atheist here.
I really don't like the anti-nativity scenes. I find them repulsive.
What atheists should put up isn't anti-christian scenes, but pro-freedom, happiness, family, and real rather than imagined goods.
 
2012-12-02 09:00:13 AM  
Remember, you owe your right to be an atheist douchebag to the tolerance of your Christian neighbors.
 
2012-12-02 09:00:28 AM  
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2012-12-02 01:35:49 AM
The Supreme Court has ruled that when the government opens up public property to private citizens - when it creates a public forum for speech - it cannot discriminate in favor of some viewpoints and against others.

So, STFU about your oppression and the WAR ON CHRISTMAS™ and pack up your nativity scenes and take them somewhere private. I bet your church would let you set up a creche on their property. Why, I bet any number of individuals and businesses would gladly let you set up your displays on their property.

STOP SETTING THIS SHIAT UP ON PUBLIC PROPERTY


Grow the fark up.
 
2012-12-02 09:16:30 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Grow the fark up.


Yeah, he should be more like the religious people mentioned in TFA. Don't speak out against religion in government, or use the legal system to make sure the church and state stay separated, because that's childish.

Instead, just vandalize anything that upsets your particular traditions.
 
2012-12-02 09:22:01 AM  
Atheism is a religion too, so they should be banned.

I don't get why Atheists are so butt hurt all the time when they see...GASP...a religious display.
 
2012-12-02 09:23:00 AM  
So much effort to fight against something they don't believe in. Atheism is the real mental disorder, as this ridiculous story proves. No such thing as an atheist anyway. You have to know all there is to know to say for certain.

MENTAL DISORDER with a large amount of Narcissism.

Well done, atheists. You're creating stupid stuff to combat what you claim is stupid stuff. Instead of just letting people doing what they want, you know better. Yes, you are the champions.

So sad.
 
2012-12-02 09:24:23 AM  

Studson: lordjupiter: When an Xtian tries to convert me or tell me I'm going to "Hell", is that "hate speech"? Not only are they disagreeing with my view of life and religion, they're threatening me with ETERNAL DAMNATION if I don't do what they say (and that's about the worst thing you can threaten someone with).

How is that acceptable, but freedom FROM that is "hate speech"? You farkers.

0/10
There was a shiat ton of wharrrrrgrrrbble on this thread. You win the prize for the most.



Enjoy your "hell", dipshiat.
 
2012-12-02 09:26:36 AM  
And then Christians will overreact to the overreaction. Things will escalate, and eventually it will cause an amendment to the constitution naming a religion for the US. (I know you don't believe this, but some of the most religious people in this country are Birthers, they won't back down. Ever.)

So if everyone would calm the fark down. Christians stop being pricks. Atheists stop being pricks. Everyone just enjoy the holiday season.
 
2012-12-02 09:27:25 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: What's Anti-Nativity mean? Three dumb women travel to see a dying old man and steal sh*t from him?


You just wrote an epic comedy farce movie. The women can be played by Kristie Alley, Betty White, and Tina Fey. The old man can be played by Al Pacino. At the end of the movie, when he figures out what's going on, he goes all payback on them, with guns and car chases.
 
2012-12-02 09:33:44 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: What exactly do atheistsChristians do but talk on a TV that you can turn off, and write books you don't have to buy, and chat in threads that you don't have to read?


I'm going to go with "Attempt to force their backward religious beliefs into laws, schools, and government so that everyone is subject to their moral traditions" for $1000, Alex.

HindiDiscoMonster: see how that works both ways?


Yeah, it works well, as long as you're more concerned with advancing your own litany than with being truthful...

HindiDiscoMonster: though most seem to simply disregard the inconvenient parts.


... and that about wraps that up.  Thanks for playing.
 
2012-12-02 09:34:22 AM  
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2012-12-02 09:34:55 AM  

violentsalvation: jbc: jaylectricity: MaudlinMutantMollusk: that one's the wurst

Ugh.

When it comes to bad puns in Fark threads, the myrrh the merrier.

That makes no frankincense.


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2012-12-02 09:35:17 AM  
What an anti-nativity scene might look like:

i.imgur.com

c'mon atheists... you aren't even trying with that boring-assed sign crappage.

On a serious note, it is time for municipalities to put away the nativity scenes for good. Let the churches and shopping malls handle that sort of thing.

Please continue to decorate the streets with wreaths, and even feature a "Christmas" tree (call it a holiday tree... whatever) though. It's a winter break for everybody, regardless of religion.
 
2012-12-02 09:40:35 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Lionel Mandrake: The Supreme Court has ruled that when the government opens up public property to private citizens - when it creates a public forum for speech - it cannot discriminate in favor of some viewpoints and against others.  

So, STFU about your oppression and the WAR ON CHRISTMAS™ and pack up your nativity scenes and take them somewhere private. I bet your church would let you set up a creche on their property. Why, I bet any number of individuals and businesses would gladly let you set up your displays on their property.

STOP SETTING THIS SHIAT UP ON PUBLIC PROPERTY

While this is all technically correct, I still find it a bit sad. I consider myself agnostic, but I still grew up in a church doing Christmas plays and what not. Nativity scenes are part and parcel of Christmas, just like a Christmas tree, egg nog, turkey and ham dinners, and Christmas music talking about Jesus. Perhaps some or all of these things don't apply to your Christmas, or maybe you don't celebrate or even recognize Christmas in any way, but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it.

Nativity scenes inspire warm feelings of remembrance and tradition in many people, and public grounds are a great place to put them because so many people can enjoy them in a common locale. Now the laws are correct, it wouldn't be right to allow a pro-Christ display without allowing an anti-Christ display as well. However I think there should also be some sort of a "don't be a farking asshole" law that judges the intent of such a display or something. A nativity scene is most likely meant to inspire and spread happiness and remembrance, whereas an anti-Christ display would most likely be intended to upset people, or at least not have warm-fuzzies as the reasoning behind it, arguments about indoctrination or whatever regarding a nativity scene aside.

Okay so religion has done a whole lot of bad things. There are assholes that are religious. There are also assholes that are n ...


Separation from Church and state, I do not think you undersand.
 
2012-12-02 09:41:45 AM  

gadian: I think you think too seriously about these things. Just let it go in these cases and you'll be much happier. It is what it is and this fight is better reserved for textbooks and national policy.


It's about drawing the battle lines.

You've got one side that wants a secular state. And another side who wants an entirely Christian state (see Dominionism).

If you've conceded that nativity scenes on the lawn and Ten Commandments on the courtroom wall, the next battle for them will be textbooks or medical policy.

Instead, if you engage at the near-trivial, you draw the battle there.

Does the general care about one acre of sloppy mud in Belgium? Not particularly. Except that conceding a thousand of those starts getting toward Paris.
 
2012-12-02 09:44:08 AM  
If you are wound up so tight that nativity scenes get your panties in a wad, then I have some bad news for you, your life is going to be miserable.
 
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