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(Crain's Detroit)   ALS patient is living his second miracle, thanks to stem cell operation: "We've got to turn Lou Gehrig's disease into Lou Gehrig's chronic illness"   (crainsdetroit.com) divider line 10
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2012-12-02 08:55:52 AM
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Ivan_and_Norma_Sweeney: How about, "to annoy?"


I prefer "to ignore".
2012-12-01 11:26:40 PM
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Revek: That is terrible! How many republican fetuses had to be used to let this one sinner live.


None.

This is the type of stem cell treatments Republicans have advocated over embryonic stem cells.
2012-12-01 09:08:01 PM
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jaedreth: I have hereditary ALS, and the form I have kills in 3-5 years. I've had it for 11 years. So I've already been doing it, and without any medical help. Yes, my muscular strength is very low, and sometimes a cig is heavy. However, I pay attention to what my body wants, and I don't do any work I'm not up to doing. Exercise is essentially suicide for someone with ALS. So I take it as easy as possible. However, my will to live is extraordinary. I don't expect other people with terminal illnesses to be able to do what I've done. Get treatment. If they eventually come up with a cure, I'll consider it, if I haven't found a way to cure myself by then. However, the current treatment mentioned in this article doesn't provide any benefits that I haven't gained myself with extensive mental and spiritual work. I'm not going into any detail on how I did it, because I'd have to go into how I see Reality to do that, and I'd have to contradict almost every religion on the planet (excepting Shintoism), as well as contradict most known science as well (excepting Quantum Physics). So I won't.


You know, normally I'm not one for religion or spirituality, and I'm not much for "alternative medicine", healing crystals, or the power of positive thinking either.

But when it comes to shiat like this, if you've found a way to kick ALS in the nuts for more than a decade, all I can say is that whatever you're doing is awesome, congratulations, and here's to many more for you and yours.
2012-12-01 08:53:45 PM
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Revek: That is terrible! How many republican fetuses had to be used to let this one sinner live.



None. RTFA:

"On March 9, 2011, he got an injection of 500,000 stem cells - the cells were derived by Rockville, Md.-based Neuralstem Inc. after a patient donated spinal-cord tissue in 2002 - as part of an 18-operation, 15-patient trial that last 2½ years."

Since no babies were harmed in the making of this film, I can't think of a single Republican that opposes this.
2012-12-03 12:22:43 PM
1 votes:
NephilimNexus

The US block on stem cell research has let the rest of the world completely lap us..

Good lord you're an idiot and a liar.

1) Bush never banned any kind of stem cell research, whether adult stem cell, cord blood cell, or embryonic stem cell research. He has signed no such law -- whether an Act or an exec order.
If you claim otherwise, cite the specific Law, Act or Executive order.

But you won't do that... because no such thing was done. You and your party have no facts, so again you must rely on fabricated lies.

2) FTFA: "the cells were derived by Rockville, Md.-based Neuralstem Inc"
Tell us, what nation is "Rockville Md" in again?

*Hint it's in the nation that has 57 states.

Once again, the left relies on its one and only tactic. Telling a lie often enough hoping it will become the truth. A tactic that only works on the ignorant.
2012-12-02 07:14:49 AM
1 votes:

Indubitably: To degrade


How about, "to annoy?"
2012-12-02 01:59:02 AM
1 votes:

Revek: I figured as much but if they had of had their way stem cell research would have been banned.


And you're wrong. But that should make you question your own position, if you read the article.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/1 0/ shinya_yamanaka_s_nobel_prize_he_saved_embryos_not_just_stem_cell_rese arch_.html

William Saletan is a liberal, but even he acknowledged that liberals played down the ethical benefit of non-fetal stem cells. Because if you can get the same thing somewhere else, you have to be a pretty big asshole to use aborted fetuses for the the same thing.
2012-12-01 10:35:47 PM
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signaljammer: If I dare invoke the term, ironically, Lou Gehrig may not have had ALS, the current thinking goes, but a similar genetic-based syndrome.


Some diseases have very similar symptoms and diagnosis as others. Some diseases also end up being entirely re-defined as research and studies continue. For example AIDS used to be known as GRID (Gay-Related Immunity Disorder).

And it's still an issue today. The human-onset of Mad Cow Disease (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) has an extremely long incubation period at times. To the point where symptoms may not exist for 50 or 60 years. To normal people, they may be experiencing the symptoms near the end of their life expectancy. It consists of symptoms and conditions similar to dementia, as well as other neurological diseases common in old age.

The problem is we don't always know who has dementia and who has an extremely rare disease similar to dementia (for example). Noone in their right mind is going to start an initiative of doing a biopsy on all dementia patient cadavers and bring the brain tissue samples under a rigorous laboratory process. There are just too many geriatric patients with dementia. But chances are there is and have been quite a few dementia patients who in actuality had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and didn't know it. And we had no reason to suspect it since the symptoms are so similar to other common diseases.

Did Lou Gehrig have ALS? Or a genetic-based syndrome? Do we owe it to science to get to the bottom of what one single person may or may not have if it isn't a danger to other people for the sake of peace-of-mind and discovery? Or do we acknowledge the common acceptance that Lou Gehrig had ALS for the sake of empathy and understanding of the disease based solely on symptoms? It could be a case of intellectual dishonesty, sure. But for all the ALS patients and their families, identifying with Lou Gehrig might be a source of understanding and empathy. In the end, it might just be comfortable to say that Lou Gehrig having ALS is commonly accepted as fact, but in truth it is extremely ambiguous.

And most importantly, it doesn't demean or take away anything Lou Gehrig had or didn't have. And it doesn't demean or take away anything current ALS patients have.
2012-12-01 09:09:43 PM
1 votes:
Apparently learning about reality through investigation and then applying what we know == miracle
2012-12-01 08:56:08 PM
1 votes:
i.telegraph.co.uk

Not Impressed with 3 years of ALS
 
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