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2012-12-01 10:17:39 PM

Indubitably:
Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.

^^^^^

Mental illness often hides behind addiction like this. Additction is itself a mental illness. Other things such as PTSD, Depression, Schizophrenia etc often get noticed because the person is "self medicating" with booze, pot, meth or HUFFING.
 
2012-12-01 10:17:50 PM
i.imgur.com

"You still don't get it, do you? That's what he does! That's ALL he does!"
 
2012-12-01 10:20:14 PM
To own
 
2012-12-01 10:22:07 PM

Indubitably: To own


P.S. Means to label...
 
2012-12-01 10:23:57 PM

jtown: Sneakytoes: That 3M dust remover is nasty, nasty stuff. They add a bittering agent to it to prevent huffing, though IIRC it's not that dangerous. My husband sprayed some on the TV last spring, and I could taste it the rest of the evening though I'd been across the room and left soon after. One of our budgies dropped dead 36 hours later. The other one is still barely hanging on.

That whole bitterant thing was stupid. As if people messed up enough to do that are going to be turned off by a bitter taste. I used to have a lot of use for "air dusters" at my last job and I clearly remember the first time I got one of those cans. Stank up my office and got on my hands and transferred to my face. It took a good amount of scrubbing to get it off my skin. Once I realized what it was and that I couldn't get untainted air any more, I started wearing food-prep gloves while using the stuff and I'd wipe down equipment and my work bench when I was done. Only recently have I been able to find odorless, residue-free canned air.

Just another case of legitimate consumers being inconvenienced by misguided attempts to curb abuse.


------

You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

www.tbcpower.com.
 
2012-12-01 10:28:19 PM

pissedoffmick: By all means let's keep paying people to arrest this guy so we can house this guy, feed this guy, get this guy a lawyer, pay for his prosecution, pay the judges,etc. Addressing addiction would mean weakness.


Just leave him alone. He's not hurting anybody, and will be dead soon enough.
 
2012-12-01 10:32:28 PM

AcneVulgaris: pissedoffmick: By all means let's keep paying people to arrest this guy so we can house this guy, feed this guy, get this guy a lawyer, pay for his prosecution, pay the judges,etc. Addressing addiction would mean weakness.

Just leave him alone. He's not hurting anybody, and will be dead soon enough.


Indeed.

P.S. Comma error.
 
2012-12-01 10:32:55 PM
If I ran the universe we would have fairly intense preventative drug abuse education, and I mean something more logical and useful than the lame D.A.R.E. stuff my kids took. Then I would pretty much let druggies do whatever they wanted, with the follow up being if they turn to crime to feed their habit the punishment would be a plane propeller to the face.

My asshole brother put the family through hell with hie drug abuse, and the only thing that cleaned him up was getting stabbed in jail.

Not the four rounds of rehab, not the begging and pleading from the family, not the aftermath of him breaking my mom's tailbone, not the getting expelled from high school, not the severe justified beating he took from my former-boxer father, and not the many incarcerations before the stabbing.

The older I get the more I really think drug addicts are mentally impaired, and quite honestly, would benefit society better if they just die.
 
2012-12-01 10:36:07 PM

fickenchucker: If I ran the universe we would have fairly intense preventative drug abuse education, and I mean something more logical and useful than the lame D.A.R.E. stuff my kids took. Then I would pretty much let druggies do whatever they wanted, with the follow up being if they turn to crime to feed their habit the punishment would be a plane propeller to the face.

My asshole brother put the family through hell with hie drug abuse, and the only thing that cleaned him up was getting stabbed in jail.

Not the four rounds of rehab, not the begging and pleading from the family, not the aftermath of him breaking my mom's tailbone, not the getting expelled from high school, not the severe justified beating he took from my former-boxer father, and not the many incarcerations before the stabbing.

The older I get the more I really think drug addicts are mentally impaired, and quite honestly, would benefit society better if they just die.


Your story belies the real problems. How about you find them before blaming others. *mirror*
 
2012-12-01 10:37:37 PM

soundguy: jtown: Sneakytoes: That 3M dust remover is nasty, nasty stuff. They add a bittering agent to it to prevent huffing, though IIRC it's not that dangerous. My husband sprayed some on the TV last spring, and I could taste it the rest of the evening though I'd been across the room and left soon after. One of our budgies dropped dead 36 hours later. The other one is still barely hanging on.

That whole bitterant thing was stupid. As if people messed up enough to do that are going to be turned off by a bitter taste. I used to have a lot of use for "air dusters" at my last job and I clearly remember the first time I got one of those cans. Stank up my office and got on my hands and transferred to my face. It took a good amount of scrubbing to get it off my skin. Once I realized what it was and that I couldn't get untainted air any more, I started wearing food-prep gloves while using the stuff and I'd wipe down equipment and my work bench when I was done. Only recently have I been able to find odorless, residue-free canned air.

Just another case of legitimate consumers being inconvenienced by misguided attempts to curb abuse.

------

You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

[www.tbcpower.com image 465x465].


Then you have to deal with static, moisture, and portability (or lack thereof).
 
2012-12-01 10:39:08 PM

Cerebral Knievel: haven't heard anything about Patrick Tribble


img441.imageshack.us

/q&d
 
2012-12-01 10:41:49 PM

Snapper Carr: /q&d


No shiat.
 
2012-12-01 10:48:54 PM
Could this be a new Henry Earl?
 
2012-12-01 10:50:16 PM

ausfahrk: How come huffing paint equals a trip to jail instead of to the loony bin? Think about it: If a reasonable, non-insane person decided, for whatever reason, to huff some paint, they would not get caught. They would do that shiat in the woods, or in the comfort of their own condo, etc., because...well, because of having seen Mr. Timbits get paraded all over the internet, for one thing. Someone who gets caught doing this is obviously on par with the guy who jerks himself off at the bus stop. Not a rational criminal -- simply a nut job. Nut jobs should go to the nut farm, not get 20 lashes and go free.


American prisons are partially filled with inmates suffering from mental illness. Most do not receive the treatment or medication they need. The streets of America are littered with mentally ill homeless who also need a safe institution and treatment.

Are you aware that you are a trip down the stairs, a car fender bender or an exposure to a traumatic life shattering event away from being mentally ill yourself? Yes you are, you little piece of shiat. Remember that.
 
2012-12-01 10:54:14 PM

stupid me: Indubitably:
Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.
^^^^^

Mental illness often hides behind addiction like this. Additction is itself a mental illness. Other things such as PTSD, Depression, Schizophrenia etc often get noticed because the person is "self medicating" with booze, pot, meth or HUFFING.


Yes, but you're treating it backwards. Addiction is addiction; mental illness is mental illness. A person can be bipolar, and be self-medicating with meth (which I did, and a lot of my friends were the same way), one can be masking the other; but they're two entirely different things and you have to treat them differently. Once the patient's addiction to meth is gone, they'll still be bipolar; once the person's bipolar has been effectively treated, they'll still crave meth. And you have to do one or the other first, because trying to do both at the same time only guarantees both treatments will fail spectacularly.

Now, I'll grant you that often masked illness should be looked for with any addiction and it usually isn't; in general, meth and coke addicts should be screened for bipolar, and users of hallucinogens should be checked for schizophrenia, especially if they're heavy smokers and/or drinkers as well; and blackout drinkers should always be checked for PTSD; but that doesn't mean they're merely "self-medicating." They could just be boozers who happen to have PTSD.

Ultimately, there's one cure, and one cure only for addiction: Stop using your substance of choice. It's really that simple. Treatment for mental illness is much harder. You can't just stop being crazy.
 
2012-12-01 11:08:08 PM

Longtime Lurker: ausfahrk: How come huffing paint equals a trip to jail instead of to the loony bin? Think about it: If a reasonable, non-insane person decided, for whatever reason, to huff some paint, they would not get caught. They would do that shiat in the woods, or in the comfort of their own condo, etc., because...well, because of having seen Mr. Timbits get paraded all over the internet, for one thing. Someone who gets caught doing this is obviously on par with the guy who jerks himself off at the bus stop. Not a rational criminal -- simply a nut job. Nut jobs should go to the nut farm, not get 20 lashes and go free.

Because we psychiatrists want even less to do with unrepentant addicts than the legal system does. What am I going to do with him in a psych ward? Diagnose him as bipolar and throw some seroquel at him? ...actually don't answer that because I just described the treatment plans of half the community hospital psychiatrists in Chicago.


You're a mean farking psychiatrist. Try caring about your patients.

You can't force anyone to recover, sure, but you can get them sober for long enough to show them that recovery might be a good idea.
 
2012-12-01 11:10:16 PM

jtown: soundguy: jtown: Sneakytoes: That 3M dust remover is nasty, nasty stuff. They add a bittering agent to it to prevent huffing, though IIRC it's not that dangerous. My husband sprayed some on the TV last spring, and I could taste it the rest of the evening though I'd been across the room and left soon after. One of our budgies dropped dead 36 hours later. The other one is still barely hanging on.

That whole bitterant thing was stupid. As if people messed up enough to do that are going to be turned off by a bitter taste. I used to have a lot of use for "air dusters" at my last job and I clearly remember the first time I got one of those cans. Stank up my office and got on my hands and transferred to my face. It took a good amount of scrubbing to get it off my skin. Once I realized what it was and that I couldn't get untainted air any more, I started wearing food-prep gloves while using the stuff and I'd wipe down equipment and my work bench when I was done. Only recently have I been able to find odorless, residue-free canned air.

Just another case of legitimate consumers being inconvenienced by misguided attempts to curb abuse.

------

You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

[www.tbcpower.com image 465x465].

Then you have to deal with static, moisture, and portability (or lack thereof).


------

Ground strap

Line dryer

Portable air tank or refillable hand-held cannisters

Non-issues. Virtually every common electronics repair shop in the history of the world has had an air compressor under the bench or in the shed.
 
2012-12-01 11:13:58 PM

Longtime Lurker: Indubitably: Longtime Lurker: Indubitably: Longtime Lurker: ausfahrk: How come huffing paint equals a trip to jail instead of to the loony bin? Think about it: If a reasonable, non-insane person decided, for whatever reason, to huff some paint, they would not get caught. They would do that shiat in the woods, or in the comfort of their own condo, etc., because...well, because of having seen Mr. Timbits get paraded all over the internet, for one thing. Someone who gets caught doing this is obviously on par with the guy who jerks himself off at the bus stop. Not a rational criminal -- simply a nut job. Nut jobs should go to the nut farm, not get 20 lashes and go free.

Because we psychiatrists want even less to do with unrepentant addicts than the legal system does. What am I going to do with him in a psych ward? Diagnose him as bipolar and throw some seroquel at him? ...actually don't answer that because I just described the treatment plans of half the community hospital psychiatrists in Chicago.

To medicate

again, addiction, even severe addiction, is a totally separate process from "organic" mental illness such as schizophrenia. Psychotropic medications can't do anything for them. And involuntary commitment for addictions would get tossed out immediately in mental health court.

Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.

With the exception of Methadone/Suboxone for opiates and symptomatic tx for withdrawals, there's not a medication that exists that's going to make someone not addicted... and it sure as hell isn't going to help someone who wants to keep using. What would you want to give to medicate someone like our friend in TFA?


I'm on Suboxone. It does not make you not addicted. Your desire to not be a drug addict makes you not addicted; Suboxone makes it easier to follow though on that desire. There is no magic bullet, only a shiatload of hard work.
 
2012-12-01 11:16:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: stupid me: Indubitably:
Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.
^^^^^

Mental illness often hides behind addiction like this. Additction is itself a mental illness. Other things such as PTSD, Depression, Schizophrenia etc often get noticed because the person is "self medicating" with booze, pot, meth or HUFFING.

Yes, but you're treating it backwards. Addiction is addiction; mental illness is mental illness. A person can be bipolar, and be self-medicating with meth (which I did, and a lot of my friends were the same way), one can be masking the other; but they're two entirely different things and you have to treat them differently. Once the patient's addiction to meth is gone, they'll still be bipolar; once the person's bipolar has been effectively treated, they'll still crave meth. And you have to do one or the other first, because trying to do both at the same time only guarantees both treatments will fail spectacularly.

Now, I'll grant you that often masked illness should be looked for with any addiction and it usually isn't; in general, meth and coke addicts should be screened for bipolar, and users of hallucinogens should be checked for schizophrenia, especially if they're heavy smokers and/or drinkers as well; and blackout drinkers should always be checked for PTSD; but that doesn't mean they're merely "self-medicating." They could just be boozers who happen to have PTSD.

Ultimately, there's one cure, and one cure only for addiction: Stop using your substance of choice. It's really that simple. Treatment for mental illness is much harder. You can't just stop being crazy.


But, you can stop label...
 
2012-12-01 11:19:58 PM

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: stupid me: Indubitably:
Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.
^^^^^

Mental illness often hides behind addiction like this. Additction is itself a mental illness. Other things such as PTSD, Depression, Schizophrenia etc often get noticed because the person is "self medicating" with booze, pot, meth or HUFFING.

Yes, but you're treating it backwards. Addiction is addiction; mental illness is mental illness. A person can be bipolar, and be self-medicating with meth (which I did, and a lot of my friends were the same way), one can be masking the other; but they're two entirely different things and you have to treat them differently. Once the patient's addiction to meth is gone, they'll still be bipolar; once the person's bipolar has been effectively treated, they'll still crave meth. And you have to do one or the other first, because trying to do both at the same time only guarantees both treatments will fail spectacularly.

Now, I'll grant you that often masked illness should be looked for with any addiction and it usually isn't; in general, meth and coke addicts should be screened for bipolar, and users of hallucinogens should be checked for schizophrenia, especially if they're heavy smokers and/or drinkers as well; and blackout drinkers should always be checked for PTSD; but that doesn't mean they're merely "self-medicating." They could just be boozers who happen to have PTSD.

Ultimately, there's one cure, and one cure only for addiction: Stop using your substance of choice. It's really that simple. Treatment for mental illness is much harder. You can't just stop being crazy.

But, you can stop label...


I am crazy, I reserve the right to use that label.
 
2012-12-01 11:20:41 PM

fickenchucker: If I ran the universe we would have fairly intense preventative drug abuse education, and I mean something more logical and useful than the lame D.A.R.E. stuff my kids took. Then I would pretty much let druggies do whatever they wanted, with the follow up being if they turn to crime to feed their habit the punishment would be a plane propeller to the face.

My asshole brother put the family through hell with hie drug abuse, and the only thing that cleaned him up was getting stabbed in jail.

Not the four rounds of rehab, not the begging and pleading from the family, not the aftermath of him breaking my mom's tailbone, not the getting expelled from high school, not the severe justified beating he took from my former-boxer father, and not the many incarcerations before the stabbing.

The older I get the more I really think drug addicts are mentally impaired, and quite honestly, would benefit society better if they just die.


Drug addicts are mentally impaired by their drug. You take away the drug, (AND treat any underlying mental illness) and the impairment goes away. Assuming they have the desire to do the work to stay well after the initial sobering up. Of course, most of us will die anyway.
 
2012-12-01 11:22:50 PM
To rewrite
 
2012-12-01 11:23:24 PM

soundguy: jtown: soundguy: jtown: Sneakytoes: That 3M dust remover is nasty, nasty stuff. They add a bittering agent to it to prevent huffing, though IIRC it's not that dangerous. My husband sprayed some on the TV last spring, and I could taste it the rest of the evening though I'd been across the room and left soon after. One of our budgies dropped dead 36 hours later. The other one is still barely hanging on.

That whole bitterant thing was stupid. As if people messed up enough to do that are going to be turned off by a bitter taste. I used to have a lot of use for "air dusters" at my last job and I clearly remember the first time I got one of those cans. Stank up my office and got on my hands and transferred to my face. It took a good amount of scrubbing to get it off my skin. Once I realized what it was and that I couldn't get untainted air any more, I started wearing food-prep gloves while using the stuff and I'd wipe down equipment and my work bench when I was done. Only recently have I been able to find odorless, residue-free canned air.

Just another case of legitimate consumers being inconvenienced by misguided attempts to curb abuse.

------

You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

[www.tbcpower.com image 465x465].

Then you have to deal with static, moisture, and portability (or lack thereof).

------

Ground strap

Line dryer

Portable air tank or refillable hand-held cannisters

Non-issues. Virtually every common electronics repair shop in the history of the world has had an air compressor under the bench or in the shed.


Sure, I could do all that. Or I could just spend $10/year on plastic gloves. Seems like a lot less hassle for my application.
 
2012-12-01 11:25:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: Ultimately, there's one cure, and one cure only for addiction: Stop using your substance of choice. It's really that simple. Treatment for mental illness is much harder. You can't just stop being crazy.


Ultimately, there is only one cure for cancer. Stop having cancer. It's really that simple.

Look, I've been unfortunate enough to deal with all three options, serious physical illness (7 abdominal surgeries), mental illness (depression), and drug addiction (from the surgeries). If I had to choose the most serious one, or the one I'd rather remove from my life, I would be hard-pressed to make the choice. Because they all suck in different ways. (Though of course, without the physical illness I'd have neither the addiction nor the depression).
 
2012-12-01 11:36:24 PM
Longtime lurker is a "mean psychiatrist"? Hardly. He's just acutely aware that we have limited resources for the truely mentally ill. Why would we want to waste them on people who are not mentally ill?

Questionable judgment does not make you mentally ill. But drugs and addiction make people do questionable things.
 
2012-12-01 11:56:07 PM

Indubitably: fickenchucker: If I ran the universe we would have fairly intense preventative drug abuse education, and I mean something more logical and useful than the lame D.A.R.E. stuff my kids took. Then I would pretty much let druggies do whatever they wanted, with the follow up being if they turn to crime to feed their habit the punishment would be a plane propeller to the face.

My asshole brother put the family through hell with hie drug abuse, and the only thing that cleaned him up was getting stabbed in jail.

Not the four rounds of rehab, not the begging and pleading from the family, not the aftermath of him breaking my mom's tailbone, not the getting expelled from high school, not the severe justified beating he took from my former-boxer father, and not the many incarcerations before the stabbing.

The older I get the more I really think drug addicts are mentally impaired, and quite honestly, would benefit society better if they just die.

Your story belies the real problems. How about you find them before blaming others. *mirror*




What the fark are you talking about? I was six years old when my asshole brother started being a jagoff. He was 12. My other older siblings were 14 and 16 at the time, so progress that though, when Commander farkupthefamily was 17 and expelled from high school for violence and habitual drug abuse, the others were 19 and 21 and doing well while in college, while I was 11 and witnessing his meltdown and my parent's distress. My childhood is one stress point after another of my brother getting in fights with my parents and the cops. This dumbshiat actually tried to steal the high school class ring display because he thought they were real gold, not fake brass display pieces normal people would assume.

You want me to look in a mirror? The mirror reflects the only person in my family who has a stable marriage, is able to maintain a long-term job, and has every kid on the honor role, high school baseball team, and ahead of schedule on achieving Eagle Scout.

He's still a drain on society, although sober, and worthless as a mate. He belittled his first spouse to the point she left him.

Thank god, or FSM here on FARK , he never bred. I would probably have been on the hook for raising his weird loinfruit after social services took the away from him.
 
2012-12-02 12:08:52 AM

fickenchucker: Indubitably: fickenchucker: If I ran the u.....


You sound bitter.
 
2012-12-02 12:14:43 AM

kazikian: Gyrfalcon: Ultimately, there's one cure, and one cure only for addiction: Stop using your substance of choice. It's really that simple. Treatment for mental illness is much harder. You can't just stop being crazy.

Ultimately, there is only one cure for cancer. Stop having cancer. It's really that simple.

Look, I've been unfortunate enough to deal with all three options, serious physical illness (7 abdominal surgeries), mental illness (depression), and drug addiction (from the surgeries). If I had to choose the most serious one, or the one I'd rather remove from my life, I would be hard-pressed to make the choice. Because they all suck in different ways. (Though of course, without the physical illness I'd have neither the addiction nor the depression).


Well, I didn't say it was easy. Don't mistake one for the other.

But ultimately, drug addiction is after all the only illness that you have choose to have and have to choose to prolong. Absent some strange disease that forces your liver to produce alcohol or causes your brain to manufacture cocaine, you must at some point go out and obtain those substances in order to feed your addiction. So if you can summon up the willpower to not go obtain the substance, you will no longer be an addict. Then, of course, you have to start dealing with all the other problems that made you use the substances--the mental illness, physical illness, unemployment, relationship issues, etc.

Which is why I think that all these "cures" and "punishments" that try to link social services to drugs (i.e. testing welfare recipients for drugs) are just idiotic. Drugs are a separate problem. They are neither a cause nor a symptom. You can quit drugs OR you can find a job OR you can fix your relationship; but you can't do all three. And you pretty much need to stop doing drugs first. Then you can work on fixing the next thing. (Probably the mental illness) But first, give up this socially-acceptable idea that if only you face all your inner demons you'll magically no longer need drugs or whatever it is rehab programs tell people. First, just stop going out and getting the shiat. After that, you'll have to face your demons whether you want to or not.
 
2012-12-02 12:36:23 AM

soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor


Air compressors have existed for centuries?
 
2012-12-02 12:38:39 AM

pissedoffmick: By all means let's keep paying people to arrest this guy so we can house this guy, feed this guy, get this guy a lawyer, pay for his prosecution, pay the judges,etc. Addressing addiction would mean weakness.


Or we could just exterminate him. Save all the fuss.
 
2012-12-02 01:19:13 AM

Neondistraction: soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

Air compressors have existed for centuries?


Neondistraction: soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

Air compressors have existed for centuries?


www.jjohnsonappraisals.com 

Yup
 
2012-12-02 02:10:14 AM

StashMonster: Neondistraction: soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

Air compressors have existed for centuries?

Neondistraction: soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

Air compressors have existed for centuries?

[www.jjohnsonappraisals.com image 700x525] 

Yup


I wouldn't have considered a bellows the same thing, probably because the OP posted a picture of modern electric air compressor. And it served a completely different purpose. But I suppose it could be considered a pre-industrial bellows.

/ was really just being a smartass anyway
 
2012-12-02 02:19:39 AM

Longtime Lurker: Indubitably: Longtime Lurker: Indubitably: Longtime Lurker: ausfahrk: How come huffing paint equals a trip to jail instead of to the loony bin? Think about it: If a reasonable, non-insane person decided, for whatever reason, to huff some paint, they would not get caught. They would do that shiat in the woods, or in the comfort of their own condo, etc., because...well, because of having seen Mr. Timbits get paraded all over the internet, for one thing. Someone who gets caught doing this is obviously on par with the guy who jerks himself off at the bus stop. Not a rational criminal -- simply a nut job. Nut jobs should go to the nut farm, not get 20 lashes and go free.

Because we psychiatrists want even less to do with unrepentant addicts than the legal system does. What am I going to do with him in a psych ward? Diagnose him as bipolar and throw some seroquel at him? ...actually don't answer that because I just described the treatment plans of half the community hospital psychiatrists in Chicago.

To medicate

again, addiction, even severe addiction, is a totally separate process from "organic" mental illness such as schizophrenia. Psychotropic medications can't do anything for them. And involuntary commitment for addictions would get tossed out immediately in mental health court.

Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.

With the exception of Methadone/Suboxone for opiates and symptomatic tx for withdrawals, there's not a medication that exists that's going to make someone not addicted... and it sure as hell isn't going to help someone who wants to keep using. What would you want to give to medicate someone like our friend in TFA?


Hookers and blow?
 
2012-12-02 02:46:54 AM

pissedoffmick: By all means let's keep paying people to arrest this guy so we can house this guy, feed this guy, get this guy a lawyer, pay for his prosecution, pay the judges,etc. Addressing addiction would mean weakness.


Address it with a bullet
 
2012-12-02 02:51:58 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: [24.media.tumblr.com image 600x338]


I knew someone was going to do this one.
/fark you
//and thank you for the lol
 
2012-12-02 03:35:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: kazikian: Gyrfalcon: Ultimately, there's one cure, and one cure only for addiction: Stop using your substance of choice. It's really that simple. Treatment for mental illness is much harder. You can't just stop being crazy.

Ultimately, there is only one cure for cancer. Stop having cancer. It's really that simple.

Look, I've been unfortunate enough to deal with all three options, serious physical illness (7 abdominal surgeries), mental illness (depression), and drug addiction (from the surgeries). If I had to choose the most serious one, or the one I'd rather remove from my life, I would be hard-pressed to make the choice. Because they all suck in different ways. (Though of course, without the physical illness I'd have neither the addiction nor the depression).

Well, I didn't say it was easy. Don't mistake one for the other.

But ultimately, drug addiction is after all the only illness that you have choose to have and have to choose to prolong. Absent some strange disease that forces your liver to produce alcohol or causes your brain to manufacture cocaine, you must at some point go out and obtain those substances in order to feed your addiction. So if you can summon up the willpower to not go obtain the substance, you will no longer be an addict. Then, of course, you have to start dealing with all the other problems that made you use the substances--the mental illness, physical illness, unemployment, relationship issues, etc.

Which is why I think that all these "cures" and "punishments" that try to link social services to drugs (i.e. testing welfare recipients for drugs) are just idiotic. Drugs are a separate problem. They are neither a cause nor a symptom. You can quit drugs OR you can find a job OR you can fix your relationship; but you can't do all three. And you pretty much need to stop doing drugs first. Then you can work on fixing the next thing. (Probably the mental illness) But first, give up this socially-acceptable idea that if only you face all your inner demons you'll magically no longer need drugs or whatever it is rehab programs tell people. First, just stop going out and getting the shiat. After that, you'll have to face your demons whether you want to or not.


So... I agree with some of what you said (and thanks for the thought-out reply) but understand two things. 1) Addiction is by no means a disease of choice. In some cases, like my case with opiates, a person will get addicted no matter the circumstances, as long as they ate administered the drugs long enough. In other cases, as with alcohol, there are genetic factors. Then there are social factors, mental health, the list goes on and on. Yes, a person usually chooses to first do drugs (and not always that is even a choice) but once you are addicted you have no free will anymore. You literally HAVE to do drugs. I know this is hard for most people to understand because it sounds so off-the-wall; like how can you have no control? But that's just it; a drug addict by definition seeks out drugs. This is why a detox period is so crucial for treatment. Once a person gets and stays sober for a few days or weeks they regain their power of choice (and a few months later, their willpower). Only then it becomes a matter of choice to relapse and stay clean. And still, it's not that cut and dry. 2) As for willpower, yes there must be an initial Burt's of willpower when the addict says "I don't want to do this anymore." but the addict is powerless to keep that up every second of every day for the first few weeks of sobriety, when their mind is saying (every second of every day) that they NEED drugs to survive. Asking a person to survive that through willpower is like asking a person to survive Chinese water torture: yeah, a few select Marines will be able to do it on willpower alone but most people, not a chance.
The "cures" and "punishments" don't work if and when they are applied to people who simply have no interest in getting clean (as they often are). When an addict wants to get clean, they work; the "cures" allow him to do what he wants to but can't do and what you call "punishments" ie. drug testing or consequences for relapse, give him incentive. So they do work if the circumstances are right.
And rehab programs by no means tell us that facing our inner demons will magically make the drug problems disappear. Quite the opposite: they tell us that curing the drug problem will allow us to face our inner demons. And that, in turn, will keep us from coming back to drugs.
I agree though that the first step is absolutely always to "stop going out and getting that shiat." But there (to make a joke) eleven more steps after that.
 
2012-12-02 03:36:39 AM
Paragraphs!
 
2012-12-02 05:49:55 AM
I know this is wierd, but I always wonder about Patrick Tribbet & Brian Peppers around Christmas time... I figure them to be two very lonely people.
 
2012-12-02 06:09:05 AM
Bath salts!
 
2012-12-02 06:18:22 AM
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/hot
 
2012-12-02 07:47:59 AM

Neondistraction: StashMonster: Neondistraction: soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

Air compressors have existed for centuries?

Neondistraction: soundguy: You could just do what all normal people have been doing for hundreds of years - go buy an air compressor

Air compressors have existed for centuries?

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Yup

I wouldn't have considered a bellows the same thing, probably because the OP posted a picture of modern electric air compressor. And it served a completely different purpose. But I suppose it could be considered a pre-industrial bellows.

/ was really just being a smartass anyway


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The "modern" piston type air compressor was invented about 350 years ago, although the mass-produced electric motor has only been around for about 150. The earliest ones were powered by steam, flowing water, or hand-cranked.
 
2012-12-02 08:48:26 AM

BesiktasBoy83: Sometimes these people are beyond an ability to help
Some countries the local problem 'fixers' have a talk with him. He does again?
OK come with us. Into car, to woodland or a water trench area.
Bang bang. No more problem, better for every one.


I read this in the voice of Sergey from 'Delocated'..beautifully written!
 
2012-12-02 09:48:15 AM
The only problem this guy has is everyone keeps interrupting him when he's getting high.
 
2012-12-03 12:33:12 AM

Longtime Lurker: involuntary commitment for addictions would get tossed out immediately in mental health court.


I often think that this should be revisited. I've known many people who are addicts and many people who are suffering from severe mental illness. There is some overlap.

I understand that it would also require some kind of evaluating system be created to distinguish between addictions. Engaging in extreme sports due to an addiction to adrenaline is very different from breaking into pharmacies due to an addiction to prescription medications. I just don't know how we can come up with any kind of solution if we can't have an honest conversation about it.
 
2012-12-04 07:40:16 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Longtime Lurker: Indubitably: Longtime Lurker: Indubitably: Longtime Lurker: ausfahrk: How come huffing paint equals a trip to jail instead of to the loony bin? Think about it: If a reasonable, non-insane person decided, for whatever reason, to huff some paint, they would not get caught. They would do that shiat in the woods, or in the comfort of their own condo, etc., because...well, because of having seen Mr. Timbits get paraded all over the internet, for one thing. Someone who gets caught doing this is obviously on par with the guy who jerks himself off at the bus stop. Not a rational criminal -- simply a nut job. Nut jobs should go to the nut farm, not get 20 lashes and go free.

Because we psychiatrists want even less to do with unrepentant addicts than the legal system does. What am I going to do with him in a psych ward? Diagnose him as bipolar and throw some seroquel at him? ...actually don't answer that because I just described the treatment plans of half the community hospital psychiatrists in Chicago.

To medicate

again, addiction, even severe addiction, is a totally separate process from "organic" mental illness such as schizophrenia. Psychotropic medications can't do anything for them. And involuntary commitment for addictions would get tossed out immediately in mental health court.

Check your DSM-5.

I own your mental illness, but in doing so, I medicate it thus: please explain. Thank you.

P.S. I own you, too.

With the exception of Methadone/Suboxone for opiates and symptomatic tx for withdrawals, there's not a medication that exists that's going to make someone not addicted... and it sure as hell isn't going to help someone who wants to keep using. What would you want to give to medicate someone like our friend in TFA?

Hookers and blow?


Cute.
 
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