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(NPR)   The USS Enterprise has come to the end of its 51 year mission. It didn't find any strange new worlds, new life, or new civilizations, but it certainly could have blown them up if it had   ( npr.org) divider line
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2012-12-01 09:51:58 AM  
Let us make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-01 10:43:28 AM  
"Most of the people that I've spoken with who served in early nuclear ships thought it was just fantastic to be assigned to them."

Nuclear power means all the fresh water you want.
 
2012-12-01 11:27:29 AM  

Silverstaff: Let us make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise.


QFT.


/godspeed, lady Enterprise, and thank you
 
2012-12-01 11:57:50 AM  

ZAZ: "Most of the people that I've spoken with who served in early nuclear ships thought it was just fantastic to be assigned to them."

Nuclear power means all the fresh water you want.


No shower restrictions at sea is a sweet deal, particularly when they stack 50 bunks to a room
 
2012-12-01 12:14:11 PM  

Silverstaff: Let us make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise.


There will be another. There's always another Enterprise.
 
2012-12-01 12:31:01 PM  
Second star to the left. Straight on till morning.
 
2012-12-01 12:57:29 PM  
Carrier Red Shirts, it is bad to be one of them, because, well you know.........
 
Ordnancemen
Crash and Salvage Crews
Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD)
 
Wspecially, if the don't have a name.
 
2012-12-01 01:48:37 PM  
Let's hope the petition to make the unnamed CVN-80 (Gerald Ford class) the new Enterprise is successful. I'm optimistic because I heard that the guy at the White House is a Trekkie.
 
2012-12-01 02:34:59 PM  

RexTalionis: Let's hope the petition to make the unnamed CVN-80 (Gerald Ford class) the new Enterprise is successful. I'm optimistic because I heard that the guy at the White House is a Trekkie respects tradition.


FIFY

We've almost always had an ENTERPRISE. The Navy just isn't complete without one.
 
2012-12-01 03:21:55 PM  
Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link
 
2012-12-01 03:38:33 PM  
One of the crewmen still has a Klingon phaser Chekov stupidly threw to him.
 
2012-12-01 03:39:24 PM  

simplicimus: Silverstaff: Let us make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise.

There will be another. There's always another Enterprise.


Plenty of letters left in the alphabet.
 
2012-12-01 04:01:42 PM  
Well 22 Wessels have been named "Enterprise". Boring link here: Link.
 
2012-12-01 04:55:45 PM  
E=abootallupinyourasscourtesyoftheusofa
 
2012-12-01 04:56:51 PM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


Whoo hoo. Just saw that announcement on Facebook.
 
2012-12-01 04:57:32 PM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?
 
2012-12-01 05:01:37 PM  
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it.

Jack Handey
 
2012-12-01 05:02:04 PM  

RexTalionis: Let's hope the petition to make the unnamed CVN-80 (Gerald Ford class) the new Enterprise is successful. I'm optimistic because I heard that the guy at the White House is a Trekkie.


I figured because of the guy in the White House it'd be named "Mohammed".

/derp
 
2012-12-01 05:02:37 PM  
El_Frijole_Blanco No shower restrictions at sea is a sweet deal, particularly when they stack 50 bunks to a room racks to a compartment

FTFY
 
2012-12-01 05:02:45 PM  
my ignorant white trash BIL served on the Big E. man is the finest example of Politics tab / Facebook horror Fark has ever seen. still posting butthurt about Romney losing. daily posts hating on Fartbongo, pro-Tea Party, at least 1 dozen colorful ghey Jesus Loves Me / Pray / Saviour posts with all sorts of artwork and sentimental crap poetry and such. yup, and posts galore about the importance of treating your children well too. sadly enough he did a real shiat job with the kids from both of his marriages. what a moran.
 
2012-12-01 05:03:38 PM  
www.slightlywarped.com
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.
 
2012-12-01 05:06:01 PM  
I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-01 05:06:25 PM  
Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.
 
2012-12-01 05:06:37 PM  
Wasn't that the ship used in that 80's film about a modern aircraft carrier sent back in time to the Pacific near Hawaii just before the Pearl Harbor attack? Or was that the Nimitz?
 
2012-12-01 05:07:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Second star to the left right. Straight on till morning.


FTFY
 
2012-12-01 05:07:42 PM  
Godspeed U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-65
and greetings U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-80
May your history be as storied and wonderful in the pursuit of peace as your predecessor was in protecting us in time of war.


/Or something like that. You know what I mean.
 
2012-12-01 05:09:31 PM  

buckler: Wasn't that the ship used in that 80's film about a modern aircraft carrier sent back in time to the Pacific near Hawaii just before the Pearl Harbor attack? Or was that the Nimitz?


That was the Nimitz

The Final Countdown

/Waits for TMLO
 
2012-12-01 05:09:40 PM  
Is this the fifth or sixth thread about this?
 
2012-12-01 05:10:36 PM  

Klippoklondike: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?


upload.wikimedia.org

Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote
 
2012-12-01 05:13:27 PM  
While this ship comes to its end the storied history of the Enterprise shall continued, a legacy stretching from the Battles of the Coral sea and Midway to Korea, Vietnam to the wars in the gulf. The ships may have have changed but the name USS Enterprise has long stood for greatness.

God speed CVN-65 your contributions to the legacy of the proud name you proud bore shall not be forgotten.
 
2012-12-01 05:14:13 PM  

buckler: Wasn't that the ship used in that 80's film about a modern aircraft carrier sent back in time to the Pacific near Hawaii just before the Pearl Harbor attack? Or was that the Nimitz?


Nimitz. One of the people from the 40s they rescued made a comment about Nimitz having such a huge ego that he'd name a boat after himself before they were convinced the carrier was from the future.
 
2012-12-01 05:17:22 PM  
This is going to be a nerd thread, isn't it?
 
2012-12-01 05:18:51 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.


"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."
 
2012-12-01 05:20:30 PM  

Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.


That's Star Wars, dumbass.
 
2012-12-01 05:25:22 PM  
i291.photobucket.com

Pavel Chekov..... Admiral
 
2012-12-01 05:31:19 PM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


FTFL: "It's important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110."

Dang, that's a long time...
 
2012-12-01 05:32:07 PM  
TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote
You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.
 
2012-12-01 05:39:00 PM  

RexTalionis: Let's hope the petition to make the unnamed CVN-80 (Gerald Ford class) the new Enterprise is successful. I'm optimistic because I heard that the guy at the White House is a Trekkie.


The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. We'll get a freighter.
 
2012-12-01 05:39:16 PM  
My old home. Good on her.
 
2012-12-01 05:40:25 PM  

OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.


i.imgur.com

You might want to look up a little something that was called the Southern Strategy.
 
2012-12-01 05:45:19 PM  

SurelyShirley: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

FTFL: "It's important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110."

Dang, that's a long time...


Even more impressively (to me, anyway), is that the B52 fleet is expected to serve into the 2040s. Ships are big, and you don't have the weight restrictions and delicate parts that are so key to aircraft. Pretty easy to build a big ship to last, the question is how useful it'll be as technology advances around it.
 
2012-12-01 05:46:46 PM  

Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."


The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?
 
2012-12-01 05:49:49 PM  
A friend's father is an Enterprise plank owner and made it to the decomissioning ceremony today.
 
2012-12-01 05:50:04 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
Well, look who finally got his wish!
 
2012-12-01 05:51:25 PM  

fusillade762: Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.

That's Star Wars, dumbass.


Why you gotta be such a dootchbag?
 
2012-12-01 05:51:45 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?


She could have used that Logitech flightstick that Riker used in one of the next movies and straightened that shiat out.

/I'm sorry guys, this is actually historic stuff and we're bullshiatting about Star Trek
 
2012-12-01 05:54:22 PM  
How long before someone steals it in order to recover Spock's body?
 
2012-12-01 05:58:01 PM  
An expert marketer could not have come up with a better name for US Navy Ship than Enterprise. It's the equivalent of having HMS Stiff Upper Lip or HMCS (Her Majesty's Canadian Ship) Quielty Pragmatic.
 
2012-12-01 06:00:08 PM  
Boldly Gone
 
2012-12-01 06:09:35 PM  
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
 
2012-12-01 06:09:37 PM  
I have a cousin who used to be married to a guy who served on the Enterprise. We went to a family day where we went out to sea and they put on an air show. So cool sitting on the edge of the deck while jets flew by. BBQ in the hangar bay was also fun.

Must have cost millions.
 
2012-12-01 06:12:23 PM  

OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.



His record is what it is. He was a signatory on the Southern Manifesto. And as a prosecutor, police torture under him led to Brown v. Mississippi

The only ship that deserves his name is a garbage barge.
 
2012-12-01 06:16:12 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.


Jean-Luc Picard
 
2012-12-01 06:16:48 PM  

Klippoklondike: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?


Personally, I think the names of the super carriers should be reserved for Presidents or the big historical names-like Enterprise or Hornet or Yorktown-so Mr.Stennis would be out of luck either way.
 
2012-12-01 06:27:04 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Klippoklondike: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Personally, I think the names of the super carriers should be reserved for Presidents or the big historical names-like Enterprise or Hornet or Yorktown-so Mr.Stennis would be out of luck either way.


I would love to see them go back to some "Strike fear in the heart of mortals" names. "Defiant," "Defender," or "Vengeance."

Imagine my delight and ultimately disappointment when my wife showed me that there is a "USS Devastator," only to find out it's a minesweeper. An important job, to be sure, but kind of a misused name. Now, a super carrier can devastate.. An itty-bitty minesweeper is just kind of a letdown after hearing the name.

It's like naming your kid "Maxim us." That kid better cure cancer some day, because he has shiat to live up to.
 
2012-12-01 06:28:07 PM  
Woe, HTML and auto correct fail. I'm going to bed.
 
2012-12-01 06:28:16 PM  
A real shame that wasn't the Enterprise in Star Trek IV.
 
2012-12-01 06:28:35 PM  
L. Bob Rife wanted for questioning...
 
2012-12-01 06:30:20 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?


Hey, you.
v008o.popscreen.com

Stop.
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-01 06:30:41 PM  

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?

She could have used that Logitech flightstick that Riker used in one of the next movies and straightened that shiat out.

/I'm sorry guys, this is actually historic stuff and we're bullshiatting about Star Trek


The D didn't have a joystick.
 
2012-12-01 06:32:54 PM  

SurelyShirley: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

FTFL: "It's important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110."

Dang, that's a long time...


It says the lifespan of a ship is 50 years, though. So they plan to keep building this class of ship for 50 years? I'm confused.
 
2012-12-01 06:34:56 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.


His record is what it is. He was a signatory on the Southern Manifesto. And as a prosecutor, police torture under him led to Brown v. Mississippi

The only ship that deserves his name is a garbage barge.


George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?
 
2012-12-01 06:51:36 PM  

Shadow Blasko: buckler: Wasn't that the ship used in that 80's film about a modern aircraft carrier sent back in time to the Pacific near Hawaii just before the Pearl Harbor attack? Or was that the Nimitz?

That was the Nimitz

The Final Countdown

/Waits for TMLO


img15.imageshack.us
 
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2012-12-01 06:53:25 PM  

Nem Wan: SurelyShirley: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

FTFL: "It's important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110."

Dang, that's a long time...

It says the lifespan of a ship is 50 years, though. So they plan to keep building this class of ship for 50 years? I'm confused.


If Wikipedia's on the level today:

Construction began on components ofcoont8 in the spring of 2007,[32] and is planned to finish in 2015. It is under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding, a division of Huntington Ingalls Industries (formerly Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding) in Newport News, Virginia, the only shipyard in the United States capable of building nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. In 2005, it was estimated to cost at least $8 billion excluding the $5 billion spent on research and development (though that was not expected to be representative of the cost of future members of the class).[12] A 2009 report said that the Ford would cost $14 billion including research and development, and the actual cost of the carrier itself would be $9 billion.[33]

A total of three carriers have been authorized for construction, but if the Nimitz-class carriers and Enterprise were to be replaced on a one-for-one basis, eleven carriers would be required over the life of the program. However, the last Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is not scheduled to be decommissioned until 2058.

In a speech on 6 April 2009, then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that the Navy Aircraft Carrier program would shift to a five-year building program so as to place it on a "more fiscally sustainable path". Such a measure would result in ten carriers by 2040.[34


Construction began on components ofcoont8 in the spring of 2007,[32] and is planned to finish in 2015. It is under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding, a division of Huntington Ingalls Industries (formerly Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding) in Newport News, Virginia, the only shipyard in the United States capable of building nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. In 2005, it was estimated to cost at least $8 billion excluding the $5 billion spent on research and development (though that was not expected to be representative of the cost of future members of the class).[12] A 2009 report said that the Ford would cost $14 billion including research and development, and the actual cost of the carrier itself would be $9 billion.[33]

A total of three carriers have been authorized for construction, but if the Nimitz-class carriers and Enterprise were to be replaced on a one-for-one basis, eleven carriers would be required over the life of the program. However, the last Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is not scheduled to be decommissioned until 2058.

In a speech on 6 April 2009, then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that the Navy Aircraft Carrier program would shift to a five-year building program so as to place it on a "more fiscally sustainable path". Such a measure would result in ten carriers by 2040.

Link
 
905
2012-12-01 06:54:10 PM  
Crap. Copypasta fail.
 
2012-12-01 06:56:13 PM  
 
2012-12-01 06:59:45 PM  
Captain.
 
2012-12-01 07:02:31 PM  

The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?


To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.
 
2012-12-01 07:04:24 PM  
Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

media.defenseindustrydaily.com
 
2012-12-01 07:07:27 PM  

Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]


Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.
 
2012-12-01 07:09:12 PM  

RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.


Still fricken sad...
 
2012-12-01 07:11:59 PM  
Every time I think of the Enterprise I think of this video.
Silly sailor and proud of it.
 
2012-12-01 07:12:30 PM  

Darkviking: I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

[i6.photobucket.com image 850x658]


Sir I would like to give you props for the detail. The water especially.
 
2012-12-01 07:13:49 PM  

Kit Fister: The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?

To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.


Then you see the point I was making. John Stennis was a southern politician at the height of the civil rights movement. If he's not against it, he loses his seat. In later years he was known for changing his stance on it. As chairman of the armed services committee he oversaw the modernization of the navy including the creation of nuclear powered ships. So yes, he did deserve to have a ship named after him.
 
2012-12-01 07:16:04 PM  

Brick-House: RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.

Still fricken sad...


Hopefully they'll sink her to become a new reef.
 
2012-12-01 07:16:15 PM  

Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]


They are going to need to cut gigantic holes straight through many decks to lift the reactors straight out from her guts and then scrub and decontaminate everything associated. A gigantic portion of her rear section is going to be an empty, gutted shell.

I'm all for keeping her afloat for educational purposes, but I can understand the hesitation since this is the first nuclear carrier they're decommissioning and are trying a bunch of things that have so far only been theory.
 
2012-12-01 07:16:45 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."

The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?


What part of "get us out of orbit" did she not understand? Enough so that a shockwave pushes them BACK into the planet.
 
2012-12-01 07:17:51 PM  

Klippoklondike: I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?


I do. Stennis once played in a high-stakes poker game against Admiral Nimitz. They went all in, and Stennis won. Nimitz had to sign over the title to his aircraft character, which was promptly renamed to reflect the new owner. Carl S. Vinson and Dwight D. Eisenhower were witnesses.
 
2012-12-01 07:18:23 PM  

Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise


The problem is, the way it's built, it's next to impossible to safely decommission the reactors and save the ship.

It's internal engineering is very, ahem, "unique". It was the first nuclear carrier, and the first nuclear ship of its size. It's got eight reactors in it. Most other ships have 1, other nuclear carriers have 2.

Those reactors weren't built to be easily removed. Unlike Star Trek, they can't just eject the core out a convenient ventral hatch. Nope, gotta cut through bulkheads and decks and basically butcher the ship to get them out. By the time you get all 8 reactors out (and sorry, they demand the reactors be gone to turn it into a museum, a pretty reasonable request), you've carved her into Swiss cheese.

They didn't build her with turning her into a museum in mind. That was a ship of the cold war. When it was built they figured there was a very good chance she'd catch a mushroom cloud, or at the bare minimum a hail of Soviet anti-ship missiles. Nobody was thinking that in 51 years how hard would it be to turn it into a museum, they were more concerned with just making nuclear propulsion work for a ship that big.
 
2012-12-01 07:18:56 PM  

Brick-House: RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.

Still fricken sad...


Yup, but unavoidable. They have to cut a giant hole in the hull for each reactor- it just wasn't built to be taken apart easily. I think there's been talk of saving the island somewhere as a memorial, so there'll at least be that.
 
2012-12-01 07:20:07 PM  
Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.
 
2012-12-01 07:24:09 PM  

Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.


Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.
 
2012-12-01 07:26:58 PM  

The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.


I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.
 
2012-12-01 07:36:10 PM  

jayphat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."

The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?

What part of "get us out of orbit" did she not understand? Enough so that a shockwave pushes them BACK into the planet.


The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov could have stopped the crash.
 
2012-12-01 07:37:15 PM  

jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.


IMO, if you're going to name ships after presidents, whether they served in the armed services or not is irrelevant. They all commanded the armed services. I'm not sure I like routinely naming carriers for Presidents in the first place (historic figures like Washington excluded), but if you're gonna do it, you can't play games with who gets one and who doesn't.

I did really like the choice of a sub for Carter though, a nice nod to his career as a submariner rather than just a quick and easy 'slap his name on the next Carrier'.
 
2012-12-01 07:42:14 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.


FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.
 
2012-12-01 07:42:55 PM  

Qatmandu: fusillade762: Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.

That's Star Wars, dumbass.

Why you gotta be such a dootchbag?


I keed, I keed. Just trolling my fellow nerds.
 
2012-12-01 07:45:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."

The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?

What part of "get us out of orbit" did she not understand? Enough so that a shockwave pushes them BACK into the planet.

The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov could have stopped the crash.


Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.
 
2012-12-01 07:46:31 PM  
Glad to hear that there is going to be another 'Big E'.

Can someone link to the facebook announcement? I haven't been able to find it.
 
2012-12-01 07:46:57 PM  

jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.


Still waiting on a callback from Abraham Lincoln for comments on this matter.
 
2012-12-01 07:48:08 PM  

RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.


Really? They should save the island and put it in a museum.
 
2012-12-01 07:50:35 PM  

cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.

FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.


Most of the bridge crew was injured or otherwise busy. Deanna was the only person available.

jayphat: Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.


She didn't have TIME to. The engineering section exploded literally seconds after they separated.
 
2012-12-01 07:53:41 PM  

The5thElement: jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.

Still waiting on a callback from Abraham Lincoln for comments on this matter.


He's busy fighting Kanye West.
 
2012-12-01 07:55:17 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.

FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.

Most of the bridge crew was injured or otherwise busy. Deanna was the only person available.

jayphat: Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.

She didn't have TIME to. The engineering section exploded literally seconds after they separated.


Jesus Christ, he gave the order 5 minutes before the battle was over to leave orbit, not right when the ship exploded.
 
2012-12-01 08:00:49 PM  

OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.


So? Yesterdays Democrats are just todays Republicans.

/A double dumb ass on you
 
2012-12-01 08:06:16 PM  

letrole: El_Frijole_Blanco No shower restrictions at sea is a sweet deal, particularly when they stack 50 bunks to a room racks to a compartment

FTFY


I was keeping it simple for the don't speak swabby crowd
 
2012-12-01 08:08:12 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.


I'll add your name to the long list of people who wish there was an undo button.
 
2012-12-01 08:10:46 PM  

The5thElement: Kit Fister: The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?

To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.

Then you see the point I was making. John Stennis was a southern politician at the height of the civil rights movement. If he's not against it, he loses his seat. In later years he was known for changing his stance on it. As chairman of the armed services committee he oversaw the modernization of the navy including the creation of nuclear powered ships. So y ...



Later in life he embraced some softer stances (still voted against MLK day), but one could make your same argument that he would have lost his seat, or at least his moral authority to govern, had he not done so. He was still a man of the south publicly spewing and attaching his name to deeply racist rhetoric just a few years prior. And time doesn't absolve him of using torture in prosecutions - even the people of the 1930s didn't coddle to that.
 
2012-12-01 08:15:25 PM  

themasterdebater:
I'll add your name to the long list of people who wish there was an undo button.


Welcome to the internet, let me be your guide:

youtube
 
2012-12-01 08:16:50 PM  

God-is-a-Taco:
youtube


Crap I meant to quoteDarkSoulNoHope. That was for both of you, I guess.
 
2012-12-01 08:22:01 PM  

jayphat: Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.

FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.

Most of the bridge crew was injured or otherwise busy. Deanna was the only person available.

jayphat: Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.

She didn't have TIME to. The engineering section exploded literally seconds after they separated.

Jesus Christ, he gave the order 5 minutes before the battle was over to leave orbit, not right when the ship exploded.


I'll go back and watch it, but he ordered that at the beginning of the fight, Deanna took the helm halfway through the fight, and for the entire fight they were trying to keep the Bird-of-Prey from targeting anything vital after the first salvo, which prevented them from leaving orbit. When they finally destroyed the BoP the Enterprise had swung around back toward the planet because of their evasive actions. Then they had to evacuate and separate and it's likely the drive section's engines had stopped working.
 
2012-12-01 08:26:28 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.

FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.

Most of the bridge crew was injured or otherwise busy. Deanna was the only person available.

jayphat: Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.

She didn't have TIME to. The engineering section exploded literally seconds after they separated.

Jesus Christ, he gave the order 5 minutes before the battle was over to leave orbit, not right when the ship exploded.

I'll go back and watch it, but he ordered that at the beginning of the fight, Deanna took the helm halfway through the fight, and for the entire fight they were trying to keep the Bird-of-Prey from targeting anything vital after the first salvo, which prevented them from leaving orbit. When they finally destroyed the BoP the Enterprise had swung around back toward the planet because of their evasive actions. Then they had to evacuate and separate and it's likely the drive section's engines had stopped working.


I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.
 
2012-12-01 08:32:41 PM  

The5thElement: jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.

Still waiting on a callback from Abraham Lincoln for comments on this matter.


Actually, both Lincoln and Truman served in the Armed forces. Lincoln during the Blackhawk Wars and Truman during World War I, Lincoln as a Captain in the Militia and Truman went from Private in the Missouri National Guard on to retire as a Colonel in the Reserves.
 
2012-12-01 08:36:14 PM  

jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.


Besides, they already named the buildings that soldiers sleep in on base after him, long ago.
 
2012-12-01 08:39:21 PM  

jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.


She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?
 
2012-12-01 08:39:44 PM  

Darkviking: I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

[i6.photobucket.com image 850x658]


Nicely done.
 
2012-12-01 08:42:35 PM  
Alameda...
 
2012-12-01 08:53:03 PM  

dejavoodoo64: So? Yesterdays Democrats are just todays Republicans.

/A double dumb ass on you


Really? I then welcome FDR, JFK, and Truman to the GOP.

/suck-it
 
2012-12-01 09:14:01 PM  

Kit Fister: The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?

To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.


I'd go so far as to speculate that because Truman made the choice he made, the destructive power of nuclear weapons was seen, and no one's used them since.
 
2012-12-01 09:26:14 PM  
Captain.

*salute*
 
2012-12-01 09:30:39 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?


Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.
 
2012-12-01 09:32:00 PM  

cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?

Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.


Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.
 
2012-12-01 09:34:00 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?

Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.

Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.


Let's also not forget Riker's strategy of "Fire one phaser beam at the enemy, then run around like a headless chicken while making up some technobabble solution instead of firing an entire salvo of phasers and torpedoes" which led to Troi taking the helm.
 
2012-12-01 09:34:02 PM  

bmfderek: I'd go so far as to speculate that because Truman made the choice he made, the destructive power of nuclear weapons was seen, and no one's used them since.


I agree. Unfortunately, too, with an enemy like the Soviets, we had little choice but to fight the cold war that we did, since it was a big, expensive game of chicken. Unfortunately, the Soviets are the last rational enemy we've fought under any definition of war. While our clashes with Korea and Viet Nam were ostensibly fought to prevent a Communist proxy from gaining territory and power, the fact that those wars were messy, brutal affairs that had little focus or clear plan of attack.

It also highlights, I think, the modern lack of resolve in achieving our objectives, and a clear lesson in what happens when traditional military doctrine clashes with political, social, or religious ideologies, and how incredibly ineffective fighting an idea with bullets and bombs is. Religion, politics, and social ideologies are the modern equivalent of the Hydra, and all we've done in every clash against such has been to keep cutting off the heads without killing the beast.

It's funny, looking at China, that it's taken no force of arms to begin the slow and inevitable decline of communism there: simply give the country enough wealth and opportunity, and such things go by the way-side for more open, free-enterprise capitalism.
 
2012-12-01 09:41:59 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?

Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.

Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.

Let's also not forget Riker's strategy of "Fire one phaser beam at the enemy, then run around like a headless chicken while making up some technobabble solution instead of firing an entire salvo of phasers and torpedoes" which led to Troi taking the helm.


This.

Also, as a side note, the whole thing about cloaking devices in Star Trek annoy the piss out of me. Epic battle? ZOMG THE ENEMY IS COMPLETELY UNDETECTABLE! Interesting plot device? Oh look, it emits a trail of gasses and other matter as a byproduct of impulse ion drives/Has a unique type of engine core that shows up as a singularity/etc.

From a scientific standpoint, you can bend light to hide your vessel in the visible spectrum. You can probably utilize a number of techniques in order to blend the ship into the background so as to make it disappear from direct sensor detection. However, space isn't a vacuum, and no cloaking device yet can mask the ship's presence/effects on particles and radiation in space. The ship has mass, artificial gravity, and presumably has some impact on radiation levels and so forth.

Klingons and Romulans have been quasi-enemies or enemies for long enough that you'd've had to have figured out that "Gee, look, this wash of background particles shows an interesting disturbance, almost as if a ship has passed through them and displaced them!" or "Hey, there's this weird ion trail that seems similar to a ship's engine output but no other ship here..." or "hey, there's this gravitational anomaly on the area that is about the size and 'shape' as a ship's artificial gravity field" or even "hey, there's a magnetic field out here with no detectible body to produce it..."

Suspension of disbelief? You can scramble sensors and all, all you want, but these are ships that are supposed to have all this equipment to detect and catalog the most minute of interesting spacial phenomena that conveniently stops existing the moment you're facing an enemy with an ancient cloaking device.

/rant off
//always bugged by that
///Worst case, attach a giant magnet to the goddamn torpedo and let it go out and find the hull of the enemy's ship on its own.
 
2012-12-01 09:45:39 PM  
And another thing. If the Borg can adapt to energy weapons and block them, but can't do the same with projectile weapons, WHY THE FARK DO YOU STILL USE ENERGY WEAPONS AGAINST THEM?!
 
2012-12-01 09:49:10 PM  

Darkviking: I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

[i6.photobucket.com image 850x658]


Damn nice work, well done on both!

/IPMS'er since 96
//lives next to the shipyard, grandfather helped build both CV-6 and CVN-65
 
2012-12-01 09:59:39 PM  

Kit Fister: And another thing. If the Borg can adapt to energy weapons and block them, but can't do the same with projectile weapons, WHY THE FARK DO YOU STILL USE ENERGY WEAPONS AGAINST THEM?!


Starfleet did start using projectile weapons, apparently sometime after the events of First Contact: TR-116 Rifle

Apparently it took a while for Starfleet to finally get around to the idea, but I guess Picard mowing down drones with a tommy gun finally convinced them that old-style firearms still had a use in the 24th century.
 
2012-12-01 10:10:35 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.


Riker was around, wasn't he? And were turbolifts not functioning? Pretty sure they were, because I'm sure they were in use to get people out of the secondary hull. If more than one or two members of the bridge crew go down, you might want to pull Ensign whoever away from his post maintaining some secondary sensor array and pull him up to the Bridge. Or, here's an idea, the Enterprise runs three shifts, right? Wake up a couple of the more junior bridge crew folk who normally work the night watch.

Yes, they ran out of people on the bridge who could fly the ship. But there were multiple opportunities for them to NOT run out of people qualified to fly the ship. Probably should have had twice the staff up there to begin with- help on the tactical and engineering stations, and a couple extra people hitting the sensors at science might have helped them find a ship with a decades old cloaking device, or at least the ion trail. If adequate sensors to pick that up can fit on a torpedo from Kirk's era, surely the giant exploration platform that is the Enterprise would have one or two ways of looking at such a trail and putting it on a screen on the OPS console.

Troi should not have ever been at the helm in that situation, unless she was literally the last one alive on the bridge.
 
2012-12-01 10:11:08 PM  

Silverstaff: Kit Fister: And another thing. If the Borg can adapt to energy weapons and block them, but can't do the same with projectile weapons, WHY THE FARK DO YOU STILL USE ENERGY WEAPONS AGAINST THEM?!

Starfleet did start using projectile weapons, apparently sometime after the events of First Contact: TR-116 Rifle

Apparently it took a while for Starfleet to finally get around to the idea, but I guess Picard mowing down drones with a tommy gun finally convinced them that old-style firearms still had a use in the 24th century.


Fair point.
 
2012-12-01 10:25:56 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?

Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.

Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.


Deanna Troi is a Starfleet officer with the rank of full Commander (same as Will). In an episode where Data goes missing, she takes tests in order to show proficency in all things related to command including bridge operations (which both realms of training would include piloting, that's one reason why Dr Bashir could pilot the Defiant and successfully fire the phasers to destroy a Dominion ship in DS9: The Search pt. 1). Her sudden inability to follow a simple command of "Get us out of orbit" is incompetence of the highest order (and a stupid plot device the writers used to destroy the ship).
 
2012-12-01 10:34:58 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?


Rank: COMMANDER. You don't just get that rank for shiats and giggles.
 
2012-12-01 10:43:34 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?

Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.

Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.

Deanna Troi is a Starfleet officer with the rank of full Commander (same as Will). In an episode where Data goes missing, she takes tests in order to show proficency in all things related to command including bridge operations (which both realms of training would include piloting, that's one reason why Dr Bashir could pilot the Defiant and successfully fire the phasers to destroy a Dominion ship in DS9: The Search pt. 1). Her sudden inability to follow a simple command of "Get us out of orbit" is incompetence of the highest order (and a stupid plot device the writers used to destroy the ship).


There are different levels of pilot training in the Star Trek world. Somebody in a medical field's level of general skills would probably be similar doctors in the real military- boot camp level, and that's it. She would have basic flight proficiency yes, but would almost certainly not be anywhere near qualified to fly a galaxy class starship in a battle scenario. Routine shuttle flights, sure. Maneuvering a damaged vessel, in an unusual and suboptimal configuration while under fire? A qualified pilot could have done it. But I have a hard time believing that any part of the medical staff was qualified to fly the ship in those conditions.
 
2012-12-01 10:43:59 PM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 475x200]

Pavel Chekov..... Admiral


He gets there, eventually.
i24.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-01 10:44:40 PM  

grimlock1972: While this ship comes to its end the storied history of the Enterprise shall continued, a legacy stretching from the battles of the Revolution to the Battles of the Coral sea and Midway to Korea, Vietnam to the wars in the gulf. The ships may have have changed but the name USS Enterprise has long stood for greatness.

God speed CVN-65 your contributions to the legacy of the proud name you proud bore shall not be forgotten.


FTFY
 
2012-12-01 10:48:23 PM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 475x200]

Pavel Chekov..... Admiral


Better image -

i24.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-01 10:48:24 PM  
My dad's first job in 1957 was working at Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock designing some of the hydraulic support systems for this version of the Big E. My whole childhood was filled with stories of my newlywed parents living in Newport News and being amazed at the job, and of course the separation of the races back then. He said he hated the colored drinking fountains and such and moved on to a chemical plant in Nebraska, the state where my siblings were born.

Anyway, he said it's kind of weird the fruit of his first job is being scrapped. I said the fruit of my first job was scrapped 20 years ago, so he should feel very proud.
 
2012-12-01 10:49:01 PM  
Maybe the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise helped prevent this...
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2012-12-01 10:50:36 PM  

armanox: Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 475x200]

Pavel Chekov..... Admiral

He gets there, eventually.
[i24.photobucket.com image 731x699]


Where is that from?
 
2012-12-01 11:13:49 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: God-is-a-Taco:
youtube

Crap I meant to quoteDarkSoulNoHope. That was for both of you, I guess.


Let me introduce you to Fark....

/lulz
 
2012-12-01 11:18:57 PM  
What the heck is "enterprising" about a dedicated killing machine ?

A trading ship would deserve that name perhaps, a ship built for exploration perhaps, but a warship ?
 
2012-12-01 11:31:19 PM  

Slartibartfaster: What the heck is "enterprising" about a dedicated killing machine ?

A trading ship would deserve that name perhaps, a ship built for exploration perhaps, but a warship ?


fark you and the whore of a mother you fell out of. America's military strength has saved the world from infinitely more evil than it inflicted.
 
2012-12-02 12:02:37 AM  

fusillade762: Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.

That's Star Wars, dumbass.


Unless Dr. McCoy and Data were in Star Wars, and Star Wars had a TV episode titled "Encounter at Farpoint", then:
wiki.ytmnd.com

And extra points off for being wrong AND a douche.
 
2012-12-02 12:05:23 AM  

cptjeff: armanox: Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 475x200]

Pavel Chekov..... Admiral

He gets there, eventually.
[i24.photobucket.com image 731x699]

Where is that from?


Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. Admiral Chekov will also be in Star Trek: Renegades.
 
2012-12-02 12:09:30 AM  

fusillade762: Qatmandu: fusillade762: Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.

That's Star Wars, dumbass.

Why you gotta be such a dootchbag?

I keed, I keed. Just trolling my fellow nerds.


Damn. Wish I'd seen this BEFORE I posted my last...
 
2012-12-02 12:28:09 AM  

damonm: fusillade762: Qatmandu: fusillade762: Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.

That's Star Wars, dumbass.

Why you gotta be such a dootchbag?

I keed, I keed. Just trolling my fellow nerds.

Damn. Wish I'd seen this BEFORE I posted my last...


LOL. Though I actually did screw up, in a way. When I made the original post I was thinking the quote was from Mal's speech at the end of "Serenity".

You can learn all the math in the 'Verse, but you take a boat in the air that you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.
 
2012-12-02 12:28:29 AM  

MadMagnum: grimlock1972: While this ship comes to its end the storied history of the Enterprise shall continued, a legacy stretching from the battles of the Revolution to the Battles of the Coral sea and Midway to Korea, Vietnam to the wars in the gulf. The ships may have have changed but the name USS Enterprise has long stood for greatness.

God speed CVN-65 your contributions to the legacy of the proud name you proud bore shall not be forgotten.

FTFY


Thank you good sir, I am admittedly not knowledgeable about US naval history prior to world war II.
 
2012-12-02 12:31:21 AM  

cptjeff: There are different levels of pilot training in the Star Trek world. Somebody in a medical field's level of general skills would probably be similar doctors in the real military- boot camp level, and that's it. She would have basic flight proficiency yes, but would almost certainly not be anywhere near qualified to fly a galaxy class starship in a battle scenario. Routine shuttle flights, sure. Maneuvering a damaged vessel, in an unusual and suboptimal configuration while under fire? A qualified pilot could have done it. But I have a hard time believing that any part of the medical staff was qualified to fly the ship in those conditions.


Then I will give you the continuation of the scene in Deep Space Nine: The Search Part 1 of just after the Defiant piloted by Bashir destroyed the Jem'Hadar ship. The Dominion vessels moved to just outside of the Defiant's phaser range to regroup and attack again. Sisko: "Doctor, use evasive pattern 'Omega 5'. We need to keep them off balance until we get warp power back!" Doctor: "Aye, Sir!" Now at that point the Defiant was badly damaged from a direct hit to it's warp nacelle and whatever else was damaged that caused the console to explode, on the second volley, killing the (red shirt!) regular helmsman. Bashir didn't go to Sisko and say, "Maybe you should do this sir, I don't know how to preform evasive maneuvers." instead he was able to do the job as a helmsman and knew how to preform that *specific* maneuver successfully (Bashir was still at the helm at the time they got boarded by the Jem'Hadar, so he wasn't relieved by Sisko or anyone else on the ship who could have piloted it). Sisko didn't say just "take evasive action" he gave Bashir a specific instruction of what maneuver to use. Now at that point Bashir's genetic enhancements were not yet open knowledge (nor probably conceived by the writers yet, if you were going to use that as an argument against my points), so Sisko was confidently giving a Starfleet Doctor with little combat experience a specific maneuver that Bashir remembered from his Starfleet training and acted upon it.

Deanna should have known to fly away from the planet per her original order. What's worse is that when Riker ordered Worf to "fire" the photon torpedo (should have been more than one, as Riker ordered a "spread of torpedos", but that's another argument entirely!) at the Bird of Prey, the Enterprise was maneuvering *TOWARD* the planet! (after the torpedo was fired from the rear launcher, the Enterprise turned rightward towards the planet's direction as shown on the bird of prey's viewscreen!) As I continue to point out (and agree with cptjeff, Deanna's at fault for crashing the ship by not following a simple order ("Get us out of orbit!") that her Starfleet training prepared her for. (and the writers are at fault for making a stupid plot device to get rid of the Enterprise-D for future films!)
 
2012-12-02 12:38:09 AM  
Treeks.
 
2012-12-02 12:47:12 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Now at that point Bashir's genetic enhancements were not yet open knowledge (nor probably conceived by the writers yet, if you were going to use that as an argument against my points),


They did, however, already have him cast as ridiculously smart and an overachiever. But point generally taken. I would, however, point out that on DS9, just about everybody was routinely piloting runabouts on short trips, since that was the primary means of transport. With the small capacities and frequent call for senior staff off the station- they frequently start a story with people going to or returning from conferences and other minor mission type whatnots -and crashing- you would expect every member of that crew, regardless of field, to have a substantial level of flight experience. On the Enterprise, where everyone is carted around on a giant ship everywhere they go, there's a lot less flight time to go around and a lot less necessity for everybody, regardless of field, to keep those skills polished.
 
2012-12-02 01:22:29 AM  

cptjeff: jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.

IMO, if you're going to name ships after presidents, whether they served in the armed services or not is irrelevant. They all commanded the armed services. I'm not sure I like routinely naming carriers for Presidents in the first place (historic figures like Washington excluded), but if you're gonna do it, you can't play games with who gets one and who doesn't.

I did really like the choice of a sub for Carter though, a nice nod to his career as a submariner rather than just a quick and easy 'slap his name on the next Carrier'.


Not only that, they named that baddest shark in the water after Jimmy.

That boat is always busy.
 
2012-12-02 01:27:02 AM  

fickenchucker: Slartibartfaster: What the heck is "enterprising" about a dedicated killing machine ?

A trading ship would deserve that name perhaps, a ship built for exploration perhaps, but a warship ?

fark you and the whore of a mother you fell out of. America's military strength has saved the world from infinitely more evil than it inflicted.


Do you even know the definition of the word "Enterprise" ? wtf has your military strength got to do with that ?

Calm your nads down... then feel free to go "save" another nation dickweed.
 
2012-12-02 01:41:20 AM  

cptjeff: DarkSoulNoHope: Now at that point Bashir's genetic enhancements were not yet open knowledge (nor probably conceived by the writers yet, if you were going to use that as an argument against my points),

They did, however, already have him cast as ridiculously smart and an overachiever. But point generally taken. I would, however, point out that on DS9, just about everybody was routinely piloting runabouts on short trips, since that was the primary means of transport. With the small capacities and frequent call for senior staff off the station- they frequently start a story with people going to or returning from conferences and other minor mission type whatnots -and crashing- you would expect every member of that crew, regardless of field, to have a substantial level of flight experience. On the Enterprise, where everyone is carted around on a giant ship everywhere they go, there's a lot less flight time to go around and a lot less necessity for everybody, regardless of field, to keep those skills polished.


I would agree with you about the routine runabout missions, except that most of those missions didn't include combat using runabouts , and I doubt specific "refresher training" would include specific evasive maneuvers for runabout ship pilots, since those vessels aren't designed for combat! The Doctor knew how to successfully pilot a warship using knowledge of Starfleet evasive maneuvers with little combat experience and virtually no knowledge of it beyond it's standardized Starfleet controls. I think Starfleet training is a bit more advanced than our US Navy! (especially with children on board [TNG: When The Bough Breaks] around the age of 10 that get angry at their parents for making them go to Calculus classes!!!)
 
2012-12-02 02:52:43 AM  
Farewell, Enterprise.

Well done, oh good and faithful friend.

Enter into the remembrance of your crews, a memory that shall not fade.

I shall be glad indeed when the bright day of rebirth dawns, to welcome CVN-80 to the mighty ranks of United States Navy warships.

May she never need to set sail in anger, and may Poseidon look upon her with great favour.
 
2012-12-02 04:07:50 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: I realize this is a gigantic nerd battle, the exact phrase "Deanna, take the helm. Get us out of orbit." And that is why I blame her. That battle should have been taken out into space. Alas, it wasn't.

She is the counselor, not the driver, and they were in a life-or-death fight, so that can be excused. Would you be mad at your friend who had never driven a vehicle yet you told him to drive the car after the driver has a heart attack on an ice-slick road and your friend ends up crashing?

Which goes to my point of, in a ship with a crew of 1,000 or so, them somehow not being able to get somebody qualified to fly a farking shuttle to the bridge.

Everyone on the bridge who could fly it was taken out during the fight.


Data was available, and every console on the bridge could be reconfigured as a helm console. Hell, Riker could control the ship from the captain's chair, albeit with limited controls. It was lazy writing.
 
2012-12-02 04:10:59 AM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


that will be the ninth actually

/former crew member
//communications, Hailing frequencies open
 
2012-12-02 04:27:20 AM  

Darkviking: I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

[i6.photobucket.com image 850x658]


WTG. Will miss the Big "E". Was the baddest boat on the high seas. Wish they would save something like the Island or even just the bridge for like the Smithsonian.
 
2012-12-02 07:01:31 AM  

tgambitg: It was lazy writing.


Nothing in Generations made sense. Nothing.
 
2012-12-02 10:51:13 AM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


if you want to be super pinchy technical about it, it will be either the 9th or 12th US military vessel if you count the following as well:
Two ships that sailed under the continental navy
a baloon that the army did stuff with during the civil war (not entirely sure what it actually did however)
the space shuttle
a non military riverboat that was used by the military during the war of 1812

9th if only counting navel vessels, 12th if you count all vessels that ether have seen combat and/or been commissioned or built by the US govt.
 
2012-12-02 11:34:20 AM  

Vegaz73: Darkviking: I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

[i6.photobucket.com image 850x658]

WTG. Will miss the Big "E". Was the baddest boat on the high seas. Wish they would save something like the Island or even just the bridge for like the Smithsonian.


IIRC they replaced the original island years ago.
 
2012-12-02 11:42:11 AM  

Mugato: tgambitg: It was lazy writing.

Nothing in Generations made sense. Nothing.


You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.
 
2012-12-02 12:57:46 PM  

tgambitg: Mugato: tgambitg: It was lazy writing.

Nothing in Generations made sense. Nothing.

You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.


Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.
 
2012-12-02 01:27:01 PM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link



I was there at the ceremony yesterday (technically not a decomissioning, an "inactivation" ceremony) and I can tell you the crowd reacted pretty strongly to that announcement. There was a lot of back-slapping a a few tears, especially from the older guys in civvies.
 
2012-12-02 01:57:42 PM  

Kit Fister: You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.

Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.


Yeah, I was talking about the story, not the sets.
 
2012-12-02 02:00:45 PM  
I agree with Mugato. If I was helm officer of the Enterprise, flying the ship that stellar cartography room, I'd be in Sickbay every night asking Dr Crusher for Dramamine!
 
2012-12-02 02:02:59 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: I agree with Mugato. If I was helm officer of the Enterprise, flying the ship that stellar cartography room, I'd be in Sickbay every night asking Dr Crusher for Dramamine!


You'd be at Sickbay every night inside Dr. Crusher while asking for dramamine? Well, I guess that puts a new spin on "The Motion of the Ocean"...
 
2012-12-02 02:09:15 PM  

Mugato: Kit Fister: You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.

Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.

Yeah, I was talking about the story, not the sets.


eh, I could kind of see it, but I doubt, if you had a holographic 3D display around you used for navigation and piloting, it would be any more or less vomit-inspiring than the real world.
 
2012-12-02 03:05:13 PM  
Years ago I started a fan fiction where the new Enterprise E was a gigantic Carrier vessel with a bridge in the center of the ship instead of sitting on top of the ship like a big bullseye. I love the idea of a holodeck bridge with redundant power supplies, because those power supply units fall faster than red-shirts.

On a side note:
God Bless you Enterprise CVN-65
My Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
 
2012-12-02 03:56:46 PM  

Wulfman: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


I was there at the ceremony yesterday (technically not a decomissioning, an "inactivation" ceremony) and I can tell you the crowd reacted pretty strongly to that announcement. There was a lot of back-slapping a a few tears, especially from the older guys in civvies.


Shouldn't it be CVN-65A?
 
2012-12-02 04:05:31 PM  

Rose McGowan Loveslave: Years ago I started a fan fiction where the new Enterprise E was a gigantic Carrier vessel with a bridge in the center of the ship instead of sitting on top of the ship like a big bullseye. I love the idea of a holodeck bridge with redundant power supplies, because those power supply units fall faster than red-shirts.

On a side note:
God Bless you Enterprise CVN-65
My Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.


I think they already did this in Star Trek: Online. Several of the ships do not have visible bridge structures, leading one to presume that they have been internalized. Given that the bridge has absolutely no reason to be an obtrusive structure anyway, the damn thing could be on the bottom deck facing aft at the rear end of the ship just below the garbage hatch and still perform the same function (once the pilot got over the psychological weirdness).
 
2012-12-02 04:41:27 PM  
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Facts are stubborn things.
 
2012-12-02 05:15:42 PM  

OnlyM3: Zeno-25

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Facts are stubborn things.


Yeah, yeah, racism exists in many different political groups both past and present. Now quiet down you two and lets talk about more important stuff regarding Star Trek! :-P
 
2012-12-02 06:17:02 PM  

OnlyM3: Zeno-25

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Facts are stubborn things.


Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat.
 
2012-12-02 07:13:35 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat.


Please ignore the threadshiatting troll and his random interjection of racism and partisan politics into an unrelated thread.

Back to the naval history and Star Trek geekery please.
 
2012-12-02 07:30:30 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Still here.
 
2012-12-02 09:02:16 PM  

Kit Fister: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Years ago I started a fan fiction where the new Enterprise E was a gigantic Carrier vessel with a bridge in the center of the ship instead of sitting on top of the ship like a big bullseye. I love the idea of a holodeck bridge with redundant power supplies, because those power supply units fall faster than red-shirts.

On a side note:
God Bless you Enterprise CVN-65
My Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

I think they already did this in Star Trek: Online. Several of the ships do not have visible bridge structures, leading one to presume that they have been internalized. Given that the bridge has absolutely no reason to be an obtrusive structure anyway, the damn thing could be on the bottom deck facing aft at the rear end of the ship just below the garbage hatch and still perform the same function (once the pilot got over the psychological weirdness).


Hell, in spin-off media they were doing that in 1975.

The old Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph Schnaubelt (a real-world naval architect who decided to apply real-world shipbuilding knowledge to Trek ship designs), the first major tech manual about Star Trek (and was used for background graphics and radio chatter source material for the first 3 movies before Paramount decided to say it was non-canon), had a projected future starship class called the Federation-class Dreadnought, which had its bridge deep within the saucer instead of being on top. One ship of this design, taken from the manual, was mentioned in the background of the first film in the radio chatter, USS Entente, NCC-2120

However, Roddenberry apparently liked the "bridge on top" concept, and stuck with it in later designs. If you hadn't noticed, he went with form over function in a lot of things, especially as he got older. 

To come up with some rationalization for it, the production staff decided to go with the idea that starship bridges are modular, and can be detached and swapped out at shipyards as part of an upgrade to a ship or to refit it for a different mission. This explained the significant changes to the Enterprise-D bridge for Generations, and the substantial changes in the bridge of the Enterprise-A bridge between IV, V, and VI.
 
2012-12-02 11:23:15 PM  

Mugato: Kit Fister: You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.

Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.

Yeah, I was talking about the story, not the sets.


You keep biatching about Generations in every STAR TREK-related thread. Fine, you don't like it. We get it.

Personally I don't think it's bad at all. There has been a *lot* worse STAR TREK before and after that particular film.
 
2012-12-03 12:23:17 AM  

peterthx: You keep biatching about Generations in every STAR TREK-related thread. Fine, you don't like it. We get it.

Personally I don't think it's bad at all. There has been a *lot* worse STAR TREK before and after that particular film.


Well I have complaints about just about every Star Trek film (except for probably Wrath of Khan!) and I can still say that Generations was horrid. Examples include: Captain Harriman (Captain Cameron Frye!) as the worst Enterprise captain (I am sure he's improved upon in the books, but those aren't canon), Kirk instead of Scotty (or another qualified officer) sent to modify the deflector (more stupid writing for plot conveniences), the Enterprise-D sets getting that ugly "sun glow" in both Picard's quarters and Ten Forward, the prior mentioned vomit inducing stellar cartography set, Data having a better idea of humor on the show when he didn't have the emotion chip, the fact that they never checked Geordi's VISOR out before returning him to duty after being captured, the Enterprise putting up a puny fight despite prior episodes showing it could let loose with a hell of alot more firepower, they used the Nexus to go back a few minutes than *anytime* before this crisis occurred because the Nexus could send Picard and Kirk to "anywhere at anytime", no dialog that could have indicated if the warp core ejection system was damaged or not, and (this isn't all my complaints, but I had to stop somewhere!) that Kirk dies by falling with a bridge rather than some sort of "last stand" on board the Enterprise bridge (my idea, Kirk feigns coming off the ship to Picard after they're all supposed to abandon ship during the battle and saves the day by using the Enterprise-D to win the battle at the sacrifice of himself and the ship).
 
2012-12-03 01:27:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i42.tinypic.com image 664x490]
Well, look who finally got his wish!


My husband looked at me funny when I laughed at this. I explained the quote, his reply:

"It's not garbage!"

"And that's why Scotty punched him," I replied chuckling

He gave a halfhearted glare at my screen and said to the picture "My tribbles breed in your underwear!"

Then he went outside to bring the dog in.

/I'm still giggling.
 
2012-12-03 12:10:34 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah

>>> Onlym3
>>> Facts are stubborn things.

Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat.
So be specific. Which one of those historical facts is a myth?

Demoracts are now and always have been the party of racism, slavery, and the klan.

As for your "Southern strategy myth" which is based on three lies, and no matter how often you tell them, remain lies.

1) That Barry Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act proved he was a racist and his appeal to "states rights" implied a continuation of Jim Crow.
FACTS:
A-- Goldwater had voted for all previous civil rights legislation

B-- Goldwater had been instrumental in the effort to integrate the Arizona National Guard even before Truman integrated the Armed Forces. This was while democrat leadership and who modern democrats call "The Conscious of the Senate", Robert Byrd was saying he'd prefer to die than see N----- in the armed service.

C-- Goldwater only opposed to two provisions in the '64 Civil Rights Act; provisions which affected private property. He believed that private businesses and clubs were subject only to market forces, not government mandates. What this also ignores is that the vast majority of Democrats opposed the entire bill (Hi Al Gore), so even if we fraudulently grant you this point 1 Republican is far outnumbered by the whole of the democrat party.

2) That Richard Nixon used hidden code words that appealed to racists within the Democrat party
A-- "Code words" the race card myth that just keeps on giving.

B-- Again ignores this lie relies on the fact that those using it admit the Democrat party is the party of Racists.

C-- Richard Nixon's background indicates he favored civil rights early on. It was he, who as Vice President, urged President Eisenhower to appoint Earl Warren to the Supreme Court. Earl Warren was well known for his pro civil rights views.

D-- The 1968 presidential race shows that Nixon was in favor of civil rights and would not compromise on this issue.
Example, an article published September 15, 1968 in the Washington Post Headline "Nixon Sped Integration, Wallace says." Nixon, in his memoirs, said that "The deep south had to be virtually conceded to George Wallace (A Democrat). I could not match him there without compromising on civil rights, which I would not do."

E-- Nixon was in favor of sending troops to integrate Little Rock High (You know, where Democrats were keeping black kids from school.

F-- It was Nixon's principled stance on civil rights that prompted George Wallace(Democrat), a well known racist, to enter the race on a third party ticket.

*Was Nixon perfect on race issues? No. Was he anywhere near as flawed and evil as the democrat part is. No.

G-- Tom Wicker wrote in his biography, One of Us, "The Nixon administration did more in 1970 to desegregate the Southern school systems than had been done in the sixteen previous years..."

3) All the former Dixiecrats had joined the Republican Party after Nixon allegedly used the used the Southern Strategy
A-- First we've blown the myth than Nixon was more racist than democrats out of the water.

B-- It relies on the incomprehensible idea that the racist democrats were so angry with the Republican party pushing for civil rights, that they........... Joined that party in droves. o.O Give your head a shake. That makes NO sense. How many of us that Hated George W Bush went out and joined the Republican party?

C-- Furthermore Demoract leaders Fulbright, Wallace, Gore and Byrd retired as Democrats. There was no mass migration out of your party of racism.


In their book, "The End of Southern Exceptionalism," Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democrat to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interest; the GOP. Working-class whites, however, even in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. In that environment an appeal to racism was hardly necessary.

Care to try again you ignorant fool?

Again, History shows us again that "Facts are stubborn things"..
 
2012-12-03 01:21:54 PM  

OnlyM3: Keizer_Ghidorah

>>> Onlym3
>>> Facts are stubborn things.

Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat. So be specific. Which one of those historical facts is a myth?

Demoracts are now and always have been the party of racism, slavery, and the klan.

As for your "Southern strategy myth" which is based on three lies, and no matter how often you tell them, remain lies.

1) That Barry Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act proved he was a racist and his appeal to "states rights" implied a continuation of Jim Crow.
FACTS:
A-- Goldwater had voted for all previous civil rights legislation

B-- Goldwater had been instrumental in the effort to integrate the Arizona National Guard even before Truman integrated the Armed Forces. This was while democrat leadership and who modern democrats call "The Conscious of the Senate", Robert Byrd was saying he'd prefer to die than see N----- in the armed service.

C-- Goldwater only opposed to two provisions in the '64 Civil Rights Act; provisions which affected private property. He believed that private businesses and clubs were subject only to market forces, not government mandates. What this also ignores is that the vast majority of Democrats opposed the entire bill (Hi Al Gore), so even if we fraudulently grant you this point 1 Republican is far outnumbered by the whole of the democrat party.

2) That Richard Nixon used hidden code words that appealed to racists within the Democrat party
A-- "Code words" the race card myth that just keeps on giving.

B-- Again ignores this lie relies on the fact that those using it admit the Democrat party is the party of Racists.

C-- Richard Nixon's background indicates he favored civil rights early on. It was he, who as Vice President, urged President Eisenhower to appoint Earl Warren to the Supreme Court. Earl Warren was well known for his pro civil rights views.

D-- The 1968 preside ...


So why is the Republican Party the one that wants to take away the rights and freedoms of minorities, women, and homosexuals?
 
2012-12-04 07:17:13 PM  
To learn
 
2012-12-04 11:17:20 PM  
I think we've found Couch Troll's alt.
 
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