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(NPR)   The USS Enterprise has come to the end of its 51 year mission. It didn't find any strange new worlds, new life, or new civilizations, but it certainly could have blown them up if it had   (npr.org) divider line 173
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2012-12-02 11:42:11 AM  

Mugato: tgambitg: It was lazy writing.

Nothing in Generations made sense. Nothing.


You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.
 
2012-12-02 12:57:46 PM  

tgambitg: Mugato: tgambitg: It was lazy writing.

Nothing in Generations made sense. Nothing.

You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.


Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.
 
2012-12-02 01:27:01 PM  

Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link



I was there at the ceremony yesterday (technically not a decomissioning, an "inactivation" ceremony) and I can tell you the crowd reacted pretty strongly to that announcement. There was a lot of back-slapping a a few tears, especially from the older guys in civvies.
 
2012-12-02 01:57:42 PM  

Kit Fister: You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.

Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.


Yeah, I was talking about the story, not the sets.
 
2012-12-02 02:00:45 PM  
I agree with Mugato. If I was helm officer of the Enterprise, flying the ship that stellar cartography room, I'd be in Sickbay every night asking Dr Crusher for Dramamine!
 
2012-12-02 02:02:59 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: I agree with Mugato. If I was helm officer of the Enterprise, flying the ship that stellar cartography room, I'd be in Sickbay every night asking Dr Crusher for Dramamine!


You'd be at Sickbay every night inside Dr. Crusher while asking for dramamine? Well, I guess that puts a new spin on "The Motion of the Ocean"...
 
2012-12-02 02:09:15 PM  

Mugato: Kit Fister: You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.

Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.

Yeah, I was talking about the story, not the sets.


eh, I could kind of see it, but I doubt, if you had a holographic 3D display around you used for navigation and piloting, it would be any more or less vomit-inspiring than the real world.
 
2012-12-02 03:05:13 PM  
Years ago I started a fan fiction where the new Enterprise E was a gigantic Carrier vessel with a bridge in the center of the ship instead of sitting on top of the ship like a big bullseye. I love the idea of a holodeck bridge with redundant power supplies, because those power supply units fall faster than red-shirts.

On a side note:
God Bless you Enterprise CVN-65
My Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
 
2012-12-02 03:56:46 PM  

Wulfman: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link


I was there at the ceremony yesterday (technically not a decomissioning, an "inactivation" ceremony) and I can tell you the crowd reacted pretty strongly to that announcement. There was a lot of back-slapping a a few tears, especially from the older guys in civvies.


Shouldn't it be CVN-65A?
 
2012-12-02 04:05:31 PM  

Rose McGowan Loveslave: Years ago I started a fan fiction where the new Enterprise E was a gigantic Carrier vessel with a bridge in the center of the ship instead of sitting on top of the ship like a big bullseye. I love the idea of a holodeck bridge with redundant power supplies, because those power supply units fall faster than red-shirts.

On a side note:
God Bless you Enterprise CVN-65
My Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.


I think they already did this in Star Trek: Online. Several of the ships do not have visible bridge structures, leading one to presume that they have been internalized. Given that the bridge has absolutely no reason to be an obtrusive structure anyway, the damn thing could be on the bottom deck facing aft at the rear end of the ship just below the garbage hatch and still perform the same function (once the pilot got over the psychological weirdness).
 
2012-12-02 04:41:27 PM  
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2012-12-02 05:15:42 PM  

OnlyM3: Zeno-25

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Facts are stubborn things.


Yeah, yeah, racism exists in many different political groups both past and present. Now quiet down you two and lets talk about more important stuff regarding Star Trek! :-P
 
2012-12-02 06:17:02 PM  

OnlyM3: Zeno-25

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Facts are stubborn things.


Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat.
 
2012-12-02 07:13:35 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat.


Please ignore the threadshiatting troll and his random interjection of racism and partisan politics into an unrelated thread.

Back to the naval history and Star Trek geekery please.
 
2012-12-02 07:30:30 PM  
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2012-12-02 09:02:16 PM  

Kit Fister: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Years ago I started a fan fiction where the new Enterprise E was a gigantic Carrier vessel with a bridge in the center of the ship instead of sitting on top of the ship like a big bullseye. I love the idea of a holodeck bridge with redundant power supplies, because those power supply units fall faster than red-shirts.

On a side note:
God Bless you Enterprise CVN-65
My Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

I think they already did this in Star Trek: Online. Several of the ships do not have visible bridge structures, leading one to presume that they have been internalized. Given that the bridge has absolutely no reason to be an obtrusive structure anyway, the damn thing could be on the bottom deck facing aft at the rear end of the ship just below the garbage hatch and still perform the same function (once the pilot got over the psychological weirdness).


Hell, in spin-off media they were doing that in 1975.

The old Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph Schnaubelt (a real-world naval architect who decided to apply real-world shipbuilding knowledge to Trek ship designs), the first major tech manual about Star Trek (and was used for background graphics and radio chatter source material for the first 3 movies before Paramount decided to say it was non-canon), had a projected future starship class called the Federation-class Dreadnought, which had its bridge deep within the saucer instead of being on top. One ship of this design, taken from the manual, was mentioned in the background of the first film in the radio chatter, USS Entente, NCC-2120

However, Roddenberry apparently liked the "bridge on top" concept, and stuck with it in later designs. If you hadn't noticed, he went with form over function in a lot of things, especially as he got older. 

To come up with some rationalization for it, the production staff decided to go with the idea that starship bridges are modular, and can be detached and swapped out at shipyards as part of an upgrade to a ship or to refit it for a different mission. This explained the significant changes to the Enterprise-D bridge for Generations, and the substantial changes in the bridge of the Enterprise-A bridge between IV, V, and VI.
 
2012-12-02 11:23:15 PM  

Mugato: Kit Fister: You're right... especially that big 'map room'... something like that would induce nausea in anyone... especially with that movement.

Au contraire, the stellar cartography room was awesome. I've long thought starship pilots should have their stations be in a small projected cockpit set inside a holographic sphere showing the space around the ship, to give them full, unbstructed view of what's around the ship.

Yeah, I was talking about the story, not the sets.


You keep biatching about Generations in every STAR TREK-related thread. Fine, you don't like it. We get it.

Personally I don't think it's bad at all. There has been a *lot* worse STAR TREK before and after that particular film.
 
2012-12-03 12:23:17 AM  

peterthx: You keep biatching about Generations in every STAR TREK-related thread. Fine, you don't like it. We get it.

Personally I don't think it's bad at all. There has been a *lot* worse STAR TREK before and after that particular film.


Well I have complaints about just about every Star Trek film (except for probably Wrath of Khan!) and I can still say that Generations was horrid. Examples include: Captain Harriman (Captain Cameron Frye!) as the worst Enterprise captain (I am sure he's improved upon in the books, but those aren't canon), Kirk instead of Scotty (or another qualified officer) sent to modify the deflector (more stupid writing for plot conveniences), the Enterprise-D sets getting that ugly "sun glow" in both Picard's quarters and Ten Forward, the prior mentioned vomit inducing stellar cartography set, Data having a better idea of humor on the show when he didn't have the emotion chip, the fact that they never checked Geordi's VISOR out before returning him to duty after being captured, the Enterprise putting up a puny fight despite prior episodes showing it could let loose with a hell of alot more firepower, they used the Nexus to go back a few minutes than *anytime* before this crisis occurred because the Nexus could send Picard and Kirk to "anywhere at anytime", no dialog that could have indicated if the warp core ejection system was damaged or not, and (this isn't all my complaints, but I had to stop somewhere!) that Kirk dies by falling with a bridge rather than some sort of "last stand" on board the Enterprise bridge (my idea, Kirk feigns coming off the ship to Picard after they're all supposed to abandon ship during the battle and saves the day by using the Enterprise-D to win the battle at the sacrifice of himself and the ship).
 
2012-12-03 01:27:11 AM  

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Well, look who finally got his wish!


My husband looked at me funny when I laughed at this. I explained the quote, his reply:

"It's not garbage!"

"And that's why Scotty punched him," I replied chuckling

He gave a halfhearted glare at my screen and said to the picture "My tribbles breed in your underwear!"

Then he went outside to bring the dog in.

/I'm still giggling.
 
2012-12-03 12:10:34 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah

>>> Onlym3
>>> Facts are stubborn things.

Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat.
So be specific. Which one of those historical facts is a myth?

Demoracts are now and always have been the party of racism, slavery, and the klan.

As for your "Southern strategy myth" which is based on three lies, and no matter how often you tell them, remain lies.

1) That Barry Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act proved he was a racist and his appeal to "states rights" implied a continuation of Jim Crow.
FACTS:
A-- Goldwater had voted for all previous civil rights legislation

B-- Goldwater had been instrumental in the effort to integrate the Arizona National Guard even before Truman integrated the Armed Forces. This was while democrat leadership and who modern democrats call "The Conscious of the Senate", Robert Byrd was saying he'd prefer to die than see N----- in the armed service.

C-- Goldwater only opposed to two provisions in the '64 Civil Rights Act; provisions which affected private property. He believed that private businesses and clubs were subject only to market forces, not government mandates. What this also ignores is that the vast majority of Democrats opposed the entire bill (Hi Al Gore), so even if we fraudulently grant you this point 1 Republican is far outnumbered by the whole of the democrat party.

2) That Richard Nixon used hidden code words that appealed to racists within the Democrat party
A-- "Code words" the race card myth that just keeps on giving.

B-- Again ignores this lie relies on the fact that those using it admit the Democrat party is the party of Racists.

C-- Richard Nixon's background indicates he favored civil rights early on. It was he, who as Vice President, urged President Eisenhower to appoint Earl Warren to the Supreme Court. Earl Warren was well known for his pro civil rights views.

D-- The 1968 presidential race shows that Nixon was in favor of civil rights and would not compromise on this issue.
Example, an article published September 15, 1968 in the Washington Post Headline "Nixon Sped Integration, Wallace says." Nixon, in his memoirs, said that "The deep south had to be virtually conceded to George Wallace (A Democrat). I could not match him there without compromising on civil rights, which I would not do."

E-- Nixon was in favor of sending troops to integrate Little Rock High (You know, where Democrats were keeping black kids from school.

F-- It was Nixon's principled stance on civil rights that prompted George Wallace(Democrat), a well known racist, to enter the race on a third party ticket.

*Was Nixon perfect on race issues? No. Was he anywhere near as flawed and evil as the democrat part is. No.

G-- Tom Wicker wrote in his biography, One of Us, "The Nixon administration did more in 1970 to desegregate the Southern school systems than had been done in the sixteen previous years..."

3) All the former Dixiecrats had joined the Republican Party after Nixon allegedly used the used the Southern Strategy
A-- First we've blown the myth than Nixon was more racist than democrats out of the water.

B-- It relies on the incomprehensible idea that the racist democrats were so angry with the Republican party pushing for civil rights, that they........... Joined that party in droves. o.O Give your head a shake. That makes NO sense. How many of us that Hated George W Bush went out and joined the Republican party?

C-- Furthermore Demoract leaders Fulbright, Wallace, Gore and Byrd retired as Democrats. There was no mass migration out of your party of racism.


In their book, "The End of Southern Exceptionalism," Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democrat to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interest; the GOP. Working-class whites, however, even in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. In that environment an appeal to racism was hardly necessary.

Care to try again you ignorant fool?

Again, History shows us again that "Facts are stubborn things"..
 
2012-12-03 01:21:54 PM  

OnlyM3: Keizer_Ghidorah

>>> Onlym3
>>> Facts are stubborn things.

Someone apparently forgot the Southern Strategy, like how he forgets everything else that doesn't work with his bullshiat. So be specific. Which one of those historical facts is a myth?

Demoracts are now and always have been the party of racism, slavery, and the klan.

As for your "Southern strategy myth" which is based on three lies, and no matter how often you tell them, remain lies.

1) That Barry Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act proved he was a racist and his appeal to "states rights" implied a continuation of Jim Crow.
FACTS:
A-- Goldwater had voted for all previous civil rights legislation

B-- Goldwater had been instrumental in the effort to integrate the Arizona National Guard even before Truman integrated the Armed Forces. This was while democrat leadership and who modern democrats call "The Conscious of the Senate", Robert Byrd was saying he'd prefer to die than see N----- in the armed service.

C-- Goldwater only opposed to two provisions in the '64 Civil Rights Act; provisions which affected private property. He believed that private businesses and clubs were subject only to market forces, not government mandates. What this also ignores is that the vast majority of Democrats opposed the entire bill (Hi Al Gore), so even if we fraudulently grant you this point 1 Republican is far outnumbered by the whole of the democrat party.

2) That Richard Nixon used hidden code words that appealed to racists within the Democrat party
A-- "Code words" the race card myth that just keeps on giving.

B-- Again ignores this lie relies on the fact that those using it admit the Democrat party is the party of Racists.

C-- Richard Nixon's background indicates he favored civil rights early on. It was he, who as Vice President, urged President Eisenhower to appoint Earl Warren to the Supreme Court. Earl Warren was well known for his pro civil rights views.

D-- The 1968 preside ...


So why is the Republican Party the one that wants to take away the rights and freedoms of minorities, women, and homosexuals?
 
2012-12-04 07:17:13 PM  
To learn
 
2012-12-04 11:17:20 PM  
I think we've found Couch Troll's alt.
 
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