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(NPR)   The USS Enterprise has come to the end of its 51 year mission. It didn't find any strange new worlds, new life, or new civilizations, but it certainly could have blown them up if it had   (npr.org) divider line 173
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2012-12-01 06:09:37 PM  
I have a cousin who used to be married to a guy who served on the Enterprise. We went to a family day where we went out to sea and they put on an air show. So cool sitting on the edge of the deck while jets flew by. BBQ in the hangar bay was also fun.

Must have cost millions.
 
2012-12-01 06:12:23 PM  

OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?



Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.



His record is what it is. He was a signatory on the Southern Manifesto. And as a prosecutor, police torture under him led to Brown v. Mississippi

The only ship that deserves his name is a garbage barge.
 
2012-12-01 06:16:12 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.


Jean-Luc Picard
 
2012-12-01 06:16:48 PM  

Klippoklondike: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?


Personally, I think the names of the super carriers should be reserved for Presidents or the big historical names-like Enterprise or Hornet or Yorktown-so Mr.Stennis would be out of luck either way.
 
2012-12-01 06:27:04 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Klippoklondike: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?

Personally, I think the names of the super carriers should be reserved for Presidents or the big historical names-like Enterprise or Hornet or Yorktown-so Mr.Stennis would be out of luck either way.


I would love to see them go back to some "Strike fear in the heart of mortals" names. "Defiant," "Defender," or "Vengeance."

Imagine my delight and ultimately disappointment when my wife showed me that there is a "USS Devastator," only to find out it's a minesweeper. An important job, to be sure, but kind of a misused name. Now, a super carrier can devastate.. An itty-bitty minesweeper is just kind of a letdown after hearing the name.

It's like naming your kid "Maxim us." That kid better cure cancer some day, because he has shiat to live up to.
 
2012-12-01 06:28:07 PM  
Woe, HTML and auto correct fail. I'm going to bed.
 
2012-12-01 06:28:16 PM  
A real shame that wasn't the Enterprise in Star Trek IV.
 
2012-12-01 06:28:35 PM  
L. Bob Rife wanted for questioning...
 
2012-12-01 06:30:20 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?


Hey, you.
v008o.popscreen.com

Stop.
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-01 06:30:41 PM  

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?

She could have used that Logitech flightstick that Riker used in one of the next movies and straightened that shiat out.

/I'm sorry guys, this is actually historic stuff and we're bullshiatting about Star Trek


The D didn't have a joystick.
 
2012-12-01 06:32:54 PM  

SurelyShirley: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

FTFL: "It's important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110."

Dang, that's a long time...


It says the lifespan of a ship is 50 years, though. So they plan to keep building this class of ship for 50 years? I'm confused.
 
2012-12-01 06:34:56 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?



Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.


His record is what it is. He was a signatory on the Southern Manifesto. And as a prosecutor, police torture under him led to Brown v. Mississippi

The only ship that deserves his name is a garbage barge.


George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?
 
2012-12-01 06:51:36 PM  

Shadow Blasko: buckler: Wasn't that the ship used in that 80's film about a modern aircraft carrier sent back in time to the Pacific near Hawaii just before the Pearl Harbor attack? Or was that the Nimitz?

That was the Nimitz

The Final Countdown

/Waits for TMLO


img15.imageshack.us
 
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2012-12-01 06:53:25 PM  

Nem Wan: SurelyShirley: Silverstaff: Apparently at the Enterprises decommissioning ceremony the Secretary of the Navy announced that the new Ford-class carrier, CVN-80 will be the new U.S.S. Enterprise, the seventh US Navy ship to bear the name.

Link

FTFL: "It's important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110."

Dang, that's a long time...

It says the lifespan of a ship is 50 years, though. So they plan to keep building this class of ship for 50 years? I'm confused.


If Wikipedia's on the level today:

Construction began on components ofcoont8 in the spring of 2007,[32] and is planned to finish in 2015. It is under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding, a division of Huntington Ingalls Industries (formerly Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding) in Newport News, Virginia, the only shipyard in the United States capable of building nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. In 2005, it was estimated to cost at least $8 billion excluding the $5 billion spent on research and development (though that was not expected to be representative of the cost of future members of the class).[12] A 2009 report said that the Ford would cost $14 billion including research and development, and the actual cost of the carrier itself would be $9 billion.[33]

A total of three carriers have been authorized for construction, but if the Nimitz-class carriers and Enterprise were to be replaced on a one-for-one basis, eleven carriers would be required over the life of the program. However, the last Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is not scheduled to be decommissioned until 2058.

In a speech on 6 April 2009, then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that the Navy Aircraft Carrier program would shift to a five-year building program so as to place it on a "more fiscally sustainable path". Such a measure would result in ten carriers by 2040.[34


Construction began on components ofcoont8 in the spring of 2007,[32] and is planned to finish in 2015. It is under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding, a division of Huntington Ingalls Industries (formerly Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding) in Newport News, Virginia, the only shipyard in the United States capable of building nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. In 2005, it was estimated to cost at least $8 billion excluding the $5 billion spent on research and development (though that was not expected to be representative of the cost of future members of the class).[12] A 2009 report said that the Ford would cost $14 billion including research and development, and the actual cost of the carrier itself would be $9 billion.[33]

A total of three carriers have been authorized for construction, but if the Nimitz-class carriers and Enterprise were to be replaced on a one-for-one basis, eleven carriers would be required over the life of the program. However, the last Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is not scheduled to be decommissioned until 2058.

In a speech on 6 April 2009, then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that the Navy Aircraft Carrier program would shift to a five-year building program so as to place it on a "more fiscally sustainable path". Such a measure would result in ten carriers by 2040.

Link
 
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2012-12-01 06:54:10 PM  
Crap. Copypasta fail.
 
2012-12-01 06:56:13 PM  
 
2012-12-01 06:59:45 PM  
Captain.
 
2012-12-01 07:02:31 PM  

The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?


To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.
 
2012-12-01 07:04:24 PM  
Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

media.defenseindustrydaily.com
 
2012-12-01 07:07:27 PM  

Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]


Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.
 
2012-12-01 07:09:12 PM  

RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.


Still fricken sad...
 
2012-12-01 07:11:59 PM  
Every time I think of the Enterprise I think of this video.
Silly sailor and proud of it.
 
2012-12-01 07:12:30 PM  

Darkviking: I built a model of the Enterprise a few years ago in 1/350. Here she is next to her WWII counterpart CV-6 for size comparisons.

[i6.photobucket.com image 850x658]


Sir I would like to give you props for the detail. The water especially.
 
2012-12-01 07:13:49 PM  

Kit Fister: The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?

To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.


Then you see the point I was making. John Stennis was a southern politician at the height of the civil rights movement. If he's not against it, he loses his seat. In later years he was known for changing his stance on it. As chairman of the armed services committee he oversaw the modernization of the navy including the creation of nuclear powered ships. So yes, he did deserve to have a ship named after him.
 
2012-12-01 07:16:04 PM  

Brick-House: RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.

Still fricken sad...


Hopefully they'll sink her to become a new reef.
 
2012-12-01 07:16:15 PM  

Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]


They are going to need to cut gigantic holes straight through many decks to lift the reactors straight out from her guts and then scrub and decontaminate everything associated. A gigantic portion of her rear section is going to be an empty, gutted shell.

I'm all for keeping her afloat for educational purposes, but I can understand the hesitation since this is the first nuclear carrier they're decommissioning and are trying a bunch of things that have so far only been theory.
 
2012-12-01 07:16:45 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."

The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?


What part of "get us out of orbit" did she not understand? Enough so that a shockwave pushes them BACK into the planet.
 
2012-12-01 07:17:51 PM  

Klippoklondike: I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis. Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?


I do. Stennis once played in a high-stakes poker game against Admiral Nimitz. They went all in, and Stennis won. Nimitz had to sign over the title to his aircraft character, which was promptly renamed to reflect the new owner. Carl S. Vinson and Dwight D. Eisenhower were witnesses.
 
2012-12-01 07:18:23 PM  

Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise


The problem is, the way it's built, it's next to impossible to safely decommission the reactors and save the ship.

It's internal engineering is very, ahem, "unique". It was the first nuclear carrier, and the first nuclear ship of its size. It's got eight reactors in it. Most other ships have 1, other nuclear carriers have 2.

Those reactors weren't built to be easily removed. Unlike Star Trek, they can't just eject the core out a convenient ventral hatch. Nope, gotta cut through bulkheads and decks and basically butcher the ship to get them out. By the time you get all 8 reactors out (and sorry, they demand the reactors be gone to turn it into a museum, a pretty reasonable request), you've carved her into Swiss cheese.

They didn't build her with turning her into a museum in mind. That was a ship of the cold war. When it was built they figured there was a very good chance she'd catch a mushroom cloud, or at the bare minimum a hail of Soviet anti-ship missiles. Nobody was thinking that in 51 years how hard would it be to turn it into a museum, they were more concerned with just making nuclear propulsion work for a ship that big.
 
2012-12-01 07:18:56 PM  

Brick-House: RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.

Still fricken sad...


Yup, but unavoidable. They have to cut a giant hole in the hull for each reactor- it just wasn't built to be taken apart easily. I think there's been talk of saving the island somewhere as a memorial, so there'll at least be that.
 
2012-12-01 07:20:07 PM  
Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.
 
2012-12-01 07:24:09 PM  

Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.


Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.
 
2012-12-01 07:26:58 PM  

The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.


I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.
 
2012-12-01 07:36:10 PM  

jayphat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."

The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?

What part of "get us out of orbit" did she not understand? Enough so that a shockwave pushes them BACK into the planet.


The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov could have stopped the crash.
 
2012-12-01 07:37:15 PM  

jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.


IMO, if you're going to name ships after presidents, whether they served in the armed services or not is irrelevant. They all commanded the armed services. I'm not sure I like routinely naming carriers for Presidents in the first place (historic figures like Washington excluded), but if you're gonna do it, you can't play games with who gets one and who doesn't.

I did really like the choice of a sub for Carter though, a nice nod to his career as a submariner rather than just a quick and easy 'slap his name on the next Carrier'.
 
2012-12-01 07:42:14 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.


FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.
 
2012-12-01 07:42:55 PM  

Qatmandu: fusillade762: Qatmandu: Treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home.

That's Star Wars, dumbass.

Why you gotta be such a dootchbag?


I keed, I keed. Just trolling my fellow nerds.
 
2012-12-01 07:45:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: jayphat: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mugato: Fark Rye For Many Whores: [www.slightlywarped.com image 384x256]
That's what you get. Never let a woman drive.

"You're the ship's completely ineffectual therapist. Take the wheel of the flagship of the Federation."

"I sense that you're pissed that I crashed the ship."

The saucer section was hit by the engineering section's explosion shockwave, disabled, and shoved towards the planet, why does everyone blame Deanna for it crashing?

What part of "get us out of orbit" did she not understand? Enough so that a shockwave pushes them BACK into the planet.

The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov could have stopped the crash.


Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.
 
2012-12-01 07:46:31 PM  
Glad to hear that there is going to be another 'Big E'.

Can someone link to the facebook announcement? I haven't been able to find it.
 
2012-12-01 07:46:57 PM  

jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.


Still waiting on a callback from Abraham Lincoln for comments on this matter.
 
2012-12-01 07:48:08 PM  

RexTalionis: Brick-House: Sad thing is, they're going to scrap her just like they did to the WWII Enterprise

[media.defenseindustrydaily.com image 850x629]

Once they dismantle the Enterprise's nuclear engines, the ship would be so destroyed there'd be nothing left to save.


Really? They should save the island and put it in a museum.
 
2012-12-01 07:50:35 PM  

cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.

FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.


Most of the bridge crew was injured or otherwise busy. Deanna was the only person available.

jayphat: Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.


She didn't have TIME to. The engineering section exploded literally seconds after they separated.
 
2012-12-01 07:53:41 PM  

The5thElement: jayphat: The5thElement: Misconduc: Since we lost some of the most famous carrier names (Yorktown, Hornet, Essex, Lexington) prepare for the U.S.S. Barack Obama ...

/always had a soft spot for the Yorktown, not sure if the guided missile cruiser yorktown is still active, probably decomissioned by now.

Oh that will definitely happen, and most likely before he is dead, thanks to Arleigh Burke by setting the precedent.

I for one hope and pray it will never happen. Presidents who never served in the armed services IMO really shouldn't be in the running to have a carrier named after them. Truman I'm OK with.

Still waiting on a callback from Abraham Lincoln for comments on this matter.


He's busy fighting Kanye West.
 
2012-12-01 07:55:17 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: cptjeff: Keizer_Ghidorah: The sauces section only has impulse power. They also didn't have enough time to get far enough from the engineering section before it blew. Not even Sulu or Checov Chekov could have stopped the crash.

FTFY.

I understand that it wasn't exactly a great situation, but, on the farking Federation Flagship, they couldn't find somebody with a little more skill at the helm than the ship's shrink? Though I suppose they had randomly deputized some random kid who hadn't had any formal training for years, so maybe having a professional drive the thing wasn't the foremost concern.

\Apologies to Wil if you're reading this.

Most of the bridge crew was injured or otherwise busy. Deanna was the only person available.

jayphat: Lemme rephrase it.

"Out of orbit" means AWAY from the planet. Which means when the engineering section EXPLODES, it's BETWEEN you and the planet. Somehow, she managed to park their ass in a position still facing the planet, and that's why I blame her.

She didn't have TIME to. The engineering section exploded literally seconds after they separated.


Jesus Christ, he gave the order 5 minutes before the battle was over to leave orbit, not right when the ship exploded.
 
2012-12-01 08:00:49 PM  

OnlyM3: TheDirtyNacho

>>> I'd rather have served on a cool sounding named carrier like an Enterprise than the John C. Stennis.
>>> Seriously, does anybody even know who that guy is who wasn't on that ship?



Terrifying to would-be evil-doer's.

/and black people that wanted to vote You mean "a democrat".
One who was last re-elected in 1982.

But keep trying to paint the other guys as the bigots.


So? Yesterdays Democrats are just todays Republicans.

/A double dumb ass on you
 
2012-12-01 08:06:16 PM  

letrole: El_Frijole_Blanco No shower restrictions at sea is a sweet deal, particularly when they stack 50 bunks to a room racks to a compartment

FTFY


I was keeping it simple for the don't speak swabby crowd
 
2012-12-01 08:08:12 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.
Captain Jean Picard of the USS Enterprise.


I'll add your name to the long list of people who wish there was an undo button.
 
2012-12-01 08:10:46 PM  

The5thElement: Kit Fister: The5thElement: George Washington was a southern plantation owner and owned slaves and Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapon. Twice. Both have Nimitz class ships named after them. What's your point?

To be fair, though horrific, the use of the bombs by Truman saved millions of lives and shaved a couple of years of exhausting and expensive war off of the Japanese campaign.

I don't believe nukes are appropriate as tactical weapons, or weapons to just throw out there willy nilly. But if my choices were to throw hundreds of thousands of bodies at a war against an enemy that was prepared to die to the last man and make the whole thing stupendously costly for us without any gain to be had, or simply using a single weapon whose destructive potential as a show of force is enough to make the idea of further hostilities unfathomable, then I'll nuke a goddamn town.

Also remember, towards the end of the War, Stalin and the soviets already saw the US as a threat, and had begun to contemplate attacking us. Using the Bomb on Japan not only stopped the Japanese in their tracks (and probably saved them from nearly obliterating their culture), but it made the Soviets think twice about open hostilities.

In the end, instead of fighting openly with the Soviets, we fought a cold war that was nothing more than a tech race that birthed a lot of good byproducts in terms of advances of medicine and science, without the loss of life, thanks to MAD.

So, yeah. I got no bones about Truman having a ship named after him. As for Washington, given the time period and all, I won't condemn him for being a slave owner.

Then you see the point I was making. John Stennis was a southern politician at the height of the civil rights movement. If he's not against it, he loses his seat. In later years he was known for changing his stance on it. As chairman of the armed services committee he oversaw the modernization of the navy including the creation of nuclear powered ships. So y ...



Later in life he embraced some softer stances (still voted against MLK day), but one could make your same argument that he would have lost his seat, or at least his moral authority to govern, had he not done so. He was still a man of the south publicly spewing and attaching his name to deeply racist rhetoric just a few years prior. And time doesn't absolve him of using torture in prosecutions - even the people of the 1930s didn't coddle to that.
 
2012-12-01 08:15:25 PM  

themasterdebater:
I'll add your name to the long list of people who wish there was an undo button.


Welcome to the internet, let me be your guide:

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2012-12-01 08:16:50 PM  

God-is-a-Taco:
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Crap I meant to quoteDarkSoulNoHope. That was for both of you, I guess.
 
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