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(Slate)   We have come to a point in our evolution as a society where the question "Is handwriting worth saving?" must be asked   (slate.com) divider line 163
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2012-12-01 10:02:46 AM  
Not mine.
 
2012-12-01 10:50:59 AM  
With the ubiquity of those little digital signature pads, I don't even bother trying to sign my name properly anymore. It's not like I could come anywhere close to what's on the back of my card on that tiny pad with that giant pen anyway, so I just do a random scribble these days.
 
2012-12-01 11:50:11 AM  
No, it's not worth saving.
 
2012-12-01 11:59:38 AM  
My handwriting is horrible because of catholic school
 
2012-12-01 12:04:41 PM  
I just draw a little wavy scribble whenever I have to sign something. It doesn't even look like my name.
 
2012-12-01 12:07:30 PM  
Well, it's a little more useful than calligraphy, but not much.
 
2012-12-01 12:49:27 PM  
I will be writing by hand until I can't write anymore. Whether I'm doing a paper for school or some attempt at something creative, I can't just type it straight into the laptop.

Also, I can always keep a little notebook & pen in my purse to write things, whereas I don't often take my laptop or iPad with me when I am just out and about.

Not sure why, because we had computers in the house from junior high on up, but it is just completely ingrained in me to write things out by hand first and then transcribe them to the computer.
 
2012-12-01 02:40:35 PM  
We can shiatcan handwriting as long as students are still obligated to learn how to write properly. Have any of you read an email or anything else from the current generation of college graduates? Twitter is destroying their ability to commit a coherent thought in writing. I sent an email to one of our Jr. Admins last week asking about the status of some tasks he had on a project and I got this in response: "Will l8tr." Then he got snippy with me when I demanded a more detailed update.

This guy isn't stupid, but his communication skills are absolutely atrocious.
 
2012-12-01 02:43:45 PM  

pisceandreamer: I will be writing by hand until I can't write anymore. Whether I'm doing a paper for school or some attempt at something creative, I can't just type it straight into the laptop.



Same here with any "to do" lists for me.  That's usually because I'm doing them downstairs, where I don't have a computer.  (I hate laptops, and I hate all the to-do list apps for Android.)
 
If I'm upstairs, I'll often use notepad.exe.
 
Also, yeah, anything creative at all... I generally write spacially (for lack of a better term).  Meaning stuff all over the page, arrows pointing here and there.  Haven't found anything digital at all that allows be to do such with the same comfort and speed.
 
2012-12-01 02:46:17 PM  

Lsherm: We can shiatcan handwriting as long as students are still obligated to learn how to write properly. Have any of you read an email or anything else from the current generation of college graduates? Twitter is destroying their ability to commit a coherent thought in writing. I sent an email to one of our Jr. Admins last week asking about the status of some tasks he had on a project and I got this in response: "Will l8tr." Then he got snippy with me when I demanded a more detailed update.

This guy isn't stupid, but his communication skills are absolutely atrocious.



I really think blaming Twitter isn't accurate.  This stuff came about when texting was done on a phone with just 0 to 9 buttons.
 
All in all, I blame laziness at this point.
 
2012-12-01 04:41:43 PM  
www.slate.com

This is just begging to be 'shopped into a meme.
 
2012-12-01 04:42:39 PM  
There is a huge difference between not writing things by hand, and the SMS/Twitter speak. I have a couple author friends and hey - they type things up on their computers, whoda thunk it.
 
2012-12-01 04:44:31 PM  
Yes but screw cursive.
 
2012-12-01 04:44:58 PM  
Handwriting is work saving. Cursive is not.
 
2012-12-01 04:45:51 PM  

downstairs: All in all, I blame laziness at this point.


and that too many of us just accept it.
 
2012-12-01 04:45:54 PM  
Good Farking riddance
 
2012-12-01 04:46:06 PM  
why fark around? shiatcan everything that once was which no longer needs to be. the list is very long. seriously. if something comes to pass that is so horrible that computers & teh 'net no longer exists we will all either be dead or we'll wish we were. you think you want to live in a world that's been reverted to 1810? kiss my arse. we've had it too good for too long. the day the fun dies just shoot me in the head, i'm not carrying buckets of water and sleeping on the ground. screw that noise.

/honest lazy spoiled American
 
2012-12-01 04:46:14 PM  

picturescrazy: Handwriting is work saving. Cursive is not.


This.
 
2012-12-01 04:46:47 PM  
Thanks for asking. No, it's not.
 
2012-12-01 04:47:38 PM  
Didn't someone claim that's it's not worth teaching kids to do math in their heads or with a pencil and paper, since now everyone has calculators?

How did that work out?
 
2012-12-01 04:47:39 PM  
I'm the opposite of a lot of this thread.

I'm (supposedly) a writer, and I can only write on a keyboard. I didn't even like writing/English until the end of high school, mainly because handwriting's always been a MAJOR chore for me. I got in trouble in elementary school for trying to write single word or single sentence responses to everything. My hand/wrist/arm just hates writing.

Typing, on the other hand, is fine.
 
2012-12-01 04:47:54 PM  
I assume the "Sad" tag is because there are some people who think it is worth saving.
 
2012-12-01 04:48:31 PM  

Smackledorfer: Yes but screw cursive.


picturescrazy: Handwriting is work saving. Cursive is not.


This.

How else are we supposed to write suicide notes when we feel the urge to kill ourselves when the power goes out after a storm and our computers don't work? I just can't live in a world where people can't read my tweets about having to live in a cold, dark, internetless house?
 
2012-12-01 04:48:56 PM  

aimtastic: With the ubiquity of those little digital signature pads, I don't even bother trying to sign my name properly anymore. It's not like I could come anywhere close to what's on the back of my card on that tiny pad with that giant pen anyway, so I just do a random scribble these days.


I write "there is no God" or "I like pie" if in a hurry. Generally the clerk sees your signature on their screen and I've never been called on it. They dont care.
 
2012-12-01 04:50:19 PM  

downstairs: pisceandreamer: I will be writing by hand until I can't write anymore. Whether I'm doing a paper for school or some attempt at something creative, I can't just type it straight into the laptop.


Same here with any "to do" lists for me.  That's usually because I'm doing them downstairs, where I don't have a computer.  (I hate laptops, and I hate all the to-do list apps for Android.)
 
If I'm upstairs, I'll often use notepad.exe.
 
Also, yeah, anything creative at all... I generally write spacially (for lack of a better term).  Meaning stuff all over the page, arrows pointing here and there.  Haven't found anything digital at all that allows be to do such with the same comfort and speed.


Are you still downstairs when you're upstairs?
 
2012-12-01 04:51:19 PM  

downstairs: Lsherm: We can shiatcan handwriting as long as students are still obligated to learn how to write properly. Have any of you read an email or anything else from the current generation of college graduates? Twitter is destroying their ability to commit a coherent thought in writing. I sent an email to one of our Jr. Admins last week asking about the status of some tasks he had on a project and I got this in response: "Will l8tr." Then he got snippy with me when I demanded a more detailed update.

This guy isn't stupid, but his communication skills are absolutely atrocious.


I really think blaming Twitter isn't accurate.  This stuff came about when texting was done on a phone with just 0 to 9 buttons.
 
All in all, I blame laziness at this point.


What I wonder is whether the younger generation who are usually guilty of this ever get annoyed at their peers who can't communicate effectively. Or do they all just accept not being able to understand what the hell everyone is writing.
 
2012-12-01 04:51:23 PM  
Kids these days, don't know how to carve letters on clay tablets.
 
2012-12-01 04:52:33 PM  
I write pages by hand every day I do work. I can read my own handwriting faster than typed pages so it's easier that way. Also when I'm writing drafts, I can draw arrows and all that business.

So yeah, handwriting is worth saving if you ask me.
 
2012-12-01 04:52:58 PM  
Bear in mind that nothing prevents anybody from learning cursive handwriting if they desire.
 
2012-12-01 04:56:01 PM  

LDM90: downstairs: pisceandreamer: I will be writing by hand until I can't write anymore. Whether I'm doing a paper for school or some attempt at something creative, I can't just type it straight into the laptop.


Same here with any "to do" lists for me.  That's usually because I'm doing them downstairs, where I don't have a computer.  (I hate laptops, and I hate all the to-do list apps for Android.)
 
If I'm upstairs, I'll often use notepad.exe.
 
Also, yeah, anything creative at all... I generally write spacially (for lack of a better term).  Meaning stuff all over the page, arrows pointing here and there.  Haven't found anything digital at all that allows be to do such with the same comfort and speed.

Are you still downstairs when you're upstairs?



I'm upstairs and downstairs right now as we speak!
 
You can't explain that.
 
2012-12-01 04:56:51 PM  
I don't think it's useful enough to be taught, but I use handwriting when I'm taking notes in my math/engineering classes. Explanations appear in handwriting and everything else is just printed. It makes it easier to discern where my comments end and the actual maths start. Other than that it looks nice I guess.
 
2012-12-01 04:58:18 PM  
The ability to express yourself with pen and paper is invaluable - whether you're jotting a quick sketch, a map or some text.
 
2012-12-01 04:58:46 PM  
No - assuming people can recreate print under duress.

Speed-writing (cursive) is of little use, save for a handful of special cases.
 
2012-12-01 04:58:53 PM  
Fark Cursive. Fark it long, fark it hard, fark it rough - and not in a good way. Have a donkey fark cursive. Or better yet, an elephant. Wait, no better still - get a blue whale to fark cursive, and forget using lube. Then nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.

/Fark cursive.
//Why yes, I have issues with cursive, why do you ask?
 
2012-12-01 04:59:32 PM  

downstairs: Lsherm: We can shiatcan handwriting as long as students are still obligated to learn how to write properly. Have any of you read an email or anything else from the current generation of college graduates? Twitter is destroying their ability to commit a coherent thought in writing. I sent an email to one of our Jr. Admins last week asking about the status of some tasks he had on a project and I got this in response: "Will l8tr." Then he got snippy with me when I demanded a more detailed update.

This guy isn't stupid, but his communication skills are absolutely atrocious.


I really think blaming Twitter isn't accurate.  This stuff came about when texting was done on a phone with just 0 to 9 buttons.
 
All in all, I blame laziness at this point.



I still blame twitter.Im critical of anything that butchers the english language more than forums and texting already have. It shouldn't annoy me so much but I had a date ask me if i was gay one time if I was gay because I used "big words" in conversation. I still to this day wonder just how her brain made that connection or conclusion.

//ok Im being over dramatic, it was pretty funny too. Gays are the only people who use big words? Thats a lolin.
 
2012-12-01 05:00:37 PM  
With my handwriting, I could've been a CIA operative. Pretty sure I'm the only one capable of reading it.
 
2012-12-01 05:00:42 PM  
Cursive is an abomination that only existed for two reasons;
1> Old-style ink pens which might blot if lifted from the page and placed back down, and
2> Forcing southpaws to write right-handed because left-handedness was seen as "wrong".

Cursive doesn't work left-handed with ink; you either need to go into contortions, or you smear what you're writing as you write it. Or you have to hover your hand above the page which is exhausting.

There's literally no point to cursive. Our pens don't blot, and it's a pain in the ass for left-handed kids to learn, moreso than right-handed ones. It's about as relevant to the modern age as farriers are. Sure, there's always going to be a cottage industry for it, but the average person doesn't have to worry about getting their horse shoed, and they shouldn't have to learn how to write cursive.

We should be exposing kids to cursive only to teach them how to read it, since doing so is necessary for reading a lot of historical documents. And that can wait till high school. Other than that, teach kids to print. It's much easier than cursive and doesn't take much time at all, and until we reach a day when every office allows you to enter forms electronically, it's a necessary skill. We might get to that point, but we're not there yet.
 
2012-12-01 05:01:08 PM  
ok I really need to start using the preview button again.
 
2012-12-01 05:01:29 PM  
Hey, let's ask the members of an Internet chat site if they think typing has made handwriting obsolete. I bet they'll be happy to type up a wide variety of opinions for us.
 
2012-12-01 05:05:50 PM  

Trollin4Colon:

I still blame twitter.Im critical of anything that butchers the english language more than forums and texting already have. It shouldn't annoy me so much but I had a date ask me if i was gay one time if I was gay because I used "big words" in conversation. I still to this day wonder just how her brain made that connection or conclusion.

//ok Im being over dramatic, it was pretty funny too. Gays are the only people who use big words? Thats a lolin.


8/10

/you misspelled "Lollering"
 
2012-12-01 05:06:08 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: My handwriting is horrible because of catholic school


Friend solved that problem: She asked to be whipped on her ass.

/Yes, I did like hearing that story
//How did you guess?
 
2012-12-01 05:07:57 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Trollin4Colon:

I still blame twitter.Im critical of anything that butchers the english language more than forums and texting already have. It shouldn't annoy me so much but I had a date ask me if i was gay one time if I was gay because I used "big words" in conversation. I still to this day wonder just how her brain made that connection or conclusion.

//ok Im being over dramatic, it was pretty funny too. Gays are the only people who use big words? Thats a lolin.

8/10

/you misspelled "Lollering"


That wasn't what I was going for but I still chortled.
 
2012-12-01 05:08:58 PM  

Bonzo_1116: //ok Im being over dramatic, it was pretty funny too. Gays are the only people who use big words? Thats a lolin.

8/10

/you misspelled "Lollering"


3.bp.blogspot.com
No, he didn't.
 
2012-12-01 05:09:23 PM  
You all act like the internet and electrical gadgetry will be immune in the event of: long term disruption to the power grid ore lectromagnetic pulse gerated either by natural circumstances, or as a weapon of war by a foreign government should the US ever be attacked. You really don't want to put all your reliance in the few remaining who would be able to transcribe information accurately.

As anyone who has ever learned a foreign language can tell you, there is nothing like writing and transcribing to assist in the proper spelling and pronounciation of that new language. Stands to reason that reading and writing by hand in our own language may be what has gotten us as far as we have in regards to our ability to communicate using the written language.

Since when was there two "o's" in loser? Probably the same generation that thinks it's ok to kitty-corner across my yard when visiting my neighbor.
 
2012-12-01 05:13:01 PM  
No. Screw you Ms.Third grade cursive teacher. You biatch.
 
2012-12-01 05:14:45 PM  

Trollin4Colon: hat wasn't what I was going for but I still chortled.


Chortled? Is that some sort of gay-sex term or something?

clowncar on fire: You all act like the internet and electrical gadgetry will be immune in the event of: long term disruption to the power grid ore lectromagnetic pulse gerated either by natural circumstances, or as a weapon of war by a foreign government should the US ever be attacked.


Your argument is that handwriting should be saved to keep us safe in event of zomgzombies? Really?

Probably the same generation that thinks it's ok to kitty-corner across my yard when visiting my neighbor.

Oh, well, if you're going to go so far as to literally say the kids need to stay off your lawn, it makes sense then.
 
2012-12-01 05:15:07 PM  
Thorak -

Cursive works well for lefties when done with a pencil ;)

Yes, it's worth saving - be a shame in 50 years to have an elite group of ppl who, alone, were able
to read - and interpret - founding documents. Sort of like the early church - but with a cursive Bill of Rights instead of a Latin text.

Besides - even if copies and translations exist in perpetuity a learned skill is never a waste - especially when it comes to young ppl who have miles of neurons to keep busy

I am an evil mother
 
2012-12-01 05:15:07 PM  

Thorak: Cursive is an abomination that only existed for two reasons;
1> Old-style ink pens which might blot if lifted from the page and placed back down, and
2> Forcing southpaws to write right-handed because left-handedness was seen as "wrong".

Cursive doesn't work left-handed with ink; you either need to go into contortions, or you smear what you're writing as you write it. Or you have to hover your hand above the page which is exhausting.

There's literally no point to cursive. Our pens don't blot, and it's a pain in the ass for left-handed kids to learn, moreso than right-handed ones. It's about as relevant to the modern age as farriers are. Sure, there's always going to be a cottage industry for it, but the average person doesn't have to worry about getting their horse shoed, and they shouldn't have to learn how to write cursive.

We should be exposing kids to cursive only to teach them how to read it, since doing so is necessary for reading a lot of historical documents. And that can wait till high school. Other than that, teach kids to print. It's much easier than cursive and doesn't take much time at all, and until we reach a day when every office allows you to enter forms electronically, it's a necessary skill. We might get to that point, but we're not there yet.


My mom's taught elementary school for years and has heard far better excuses as to why kids didn't need to be doing their penmanship assignments. Carpal tunnel was a hit back in the 80's.
 
2012-12-01 05:17:06 PM  

Trollin4Colon: downstairs: Lsherm: We can shiatcan handwriting as long as students are still obligated to learn how to write properly. Have any of you read an email or anything else from the current generation of college graduates? Twitter is destroying their ability to commit a coherent thought in writing. I sent an email to one of our Jr. Admins last week asking about the status of some tasks he had on a project and I got this in response: "Will l8tr." Then he got snippy with me when I demanded a more detailed update.

This guy isn't stupid, but his communication skills are absolutely atrocious.


I really think blaming Twitter isn't accurate.  This stuff came about when texting was done on a phone with just 0 to 9 buttons.
 
All in all, I blame laziness at this point.


I still blame twitter.Im critical of anything that butchers the english language more than forums and texting already have. It shouldn't annoy me so much but I had a date ask me if i was gay one time if I was gay because I used "big words" in conversation. I still to this day wonder just how her brain made that connection or conclusion.

//ok Im being over dramatic, it was pretty funny too. Gays are the only people who use big words? Thats a lolin.


What a gay big-word user might look like:

cdn.mos.totalfilm.com
 
2012-12-01 05:17:49 PM  

Dafatone: I'm the opposite of a lot of this thread.

I'm (supposedly) a writer, and I can only write on a keyboard. I didn't even like writing/English until the end of high school, mainly because handwriting's always been a MAJOR chore for me. I got in trouble in elementary school for trying to write single word or single sentence responses to everything. My hand/wrist/arm just hates writing.

Typing, on the other hand, is fine.


I'm in the same boat - it's probably not that uncommon.
 
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