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(New York Daily News)   Bedroom of Long Island boy, 6, killed by bus crash was illegally converted from a porch. See you stupid people, this why you don't build anything to house the people you love and let buses crash through your house. Stupid, stupid people   (nydailynews.com) divider line 76
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2012-12-01 04:17:49 PM

Mija: Ima4nic8or: The fact that the porch was converted from a porch to a bedroom without a permit has no relevance, unless you are telling me that as a result of a permit applicaction the city would have said "no, you cant convert it to a bedroom. A bus might crash into it and kill a kid." I have no doubt they would have said no to such a conversion but I find it highly improbable that concerns about a vehicle hitting the house and killing the occupant of the bedroom would have entered into the equation at all.

This is just one of those shiatty things that happens in life. The kid may just as well have been killed by a plane falling into his bedroom in the back of the house, or if the bus had more momentum and he were in a different spot, killing him in the front room.

More importantly, what business is it of the city if you convert YOUR OWN porch to a bedroom? That is the homeowners call. Screw the permit requirements. Government needs to get the heck out of peoples lives and quit being so unnecessarily intrusive.

When I buy or rent i don't want to worry that people can do whatever they want to a house without any codes. Building codes are a public safety issue. Your libertarian world is a place like Haiti. You see how that goes in an earthquake. If you want to live in sh@thole ghetto you have the whole third world to choose from.


The fantasy of libertarianism is just that. It'll still be a bunch of wealthy white men in control.
 
2012-12-01 04:21:04 PM
Is there a category for worst headline of the year? This was the most awkward sentence construction I've ever read...
 
2012-12-01 04:32:38 PM
"It was unclear when the change was made to the Hempstead home, but it was possibly done decades before the Wednesday night accident that killed little David Molina, Newsday reported."

WHOH!
The conversion of the bedroom was done BEFORE the crash?
Never would have thought of that.
Great reporting Larry!

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2012-12-01 04:34:05 PM
Is anybody intimately knowledgable about the building code in Nassau, LI? Even if the porch was converted legally it doesn't mean it's bus-proof. A careening bus will easily go through any normal brick and wood wall of a house. Heck, there are bus fatalities every year where they go through perfectly legal buildings.

This is some pointless news. Great for Fark, not for anything else.
 
2012-12-01 04:38:08 PM
Bedroom of Long Island boy, 6, killed by bus crash was illegally converted from a porch. See you stupid people, this why you don't build anything to house the people you love and let buses crash through your house. Stupid, stupid people

Thank you Dudley Manlove.

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Is there a category for worst headline of the year? This was the most awkward sentence construction I've ever read...

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2012-12-01 04:38:24 PM
Considering I drive through Hempstead every day for my commute, the blame easily lies on the pedestrian who crossed the road. Can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on my breaks because the people there just cross the road without looking both ways, in busy traffic. On top of that, they take their sweet time getting across the road too.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/935948-black-people-aren t -looking-when-crossing.html
 
2012-12-01 04:41:23 PM

LemSkroob: Ima4nic8or:

More importantly, what business is it of the city if you convert YOUR OWN porch to a bedroom? That is the homeowners call. Screw the permit requirements. Government needs to get the heck out of peoples lives and quit being so unnecessarily intrusive.

Right. Take a street that was designed for a certain number of residents, and then just pack em in beyond that. Who needs adequate sewer, water, electrical, and gas service?????

and its OK if the school up the street has 40 kids in a class, right?


/Zoning. Its not there to screw you.


It's none of your business if I change my porch into a bedroom, add two bathrooms and invite a family of Guatamalans to live there. Mind your own business.
 
2012-12-01 04:53:40 PM
So fine the family for the non-permitted construction project. They can pay the fine out of the wrongful death settlement they get from the city for A FARKING BUS LEAVING THE ROADWAY AND KILLING THEIR KID.

/permits: a way for the local taxman to know when to reassess your property for tax purposes
//also keeps the building inspectors employed
///per the rules, 3 slashies
 
2012-12-01 04:56:02 PM

Awesome T-Shirt: Considering I drive through Hempstead every day for my commute, the blame easily lies on the pedestrian who crossed the road. Can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on my breaks because the people there just cross the road without looking both ways, in busy traffic. On top of that, they take their sweet time getting across the road too.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/935948-black-people-aren t -looking-when-crossing.html


check out Paterson NJ for barrels of "ima run fast in front of your car cause my parents suck so bad they don't teach me better" fun and games. it's enough to give you a farking heart attack. you damn well bet you accidentally hit one of these little sweethearts all the local mouthpieces will be making huge noise for the local news cameras & papers about the white man devil in the car hates our little children. it blows my mind that there are people who think so little of themselves they try to get run over so they can sue your insurance company.
 
2012-12-01 05:01:08 PM
Hm. In one house I lived in, my friend's dad converted a storage area into a bedroom by installing a large picture window in one wall, installing lighting and carpet. Stealth install with no permit, but he was a contractor, so he made sure everything was up to code in case of inspection.
 
2012-12-01 05:12:39 PM

buckler: Hm. In one house I lived in, my friend's dad converted a storage area into a bedroom by installing a large picture window in one wall, installing lighting and carpet. Stealth install with no permit, but he was a contractor, so he made sure everything was up to code in case of inspection.


I heard of a family that cut a hole in the floor and just started digging. They must have built the new foundation as they went, but anyway they got a full basement without permits. Atleast that is what I was told, for I don't feel like finding the house to see it for myself. If it collapsed on me, all of you would be happier and I can't have that.
 
2012-12-01 05:13:03 PM
These houses are common in many parts of LI. The porches are basically like rooms anyway, with a roof, half walls all the way around the bottom half, and windows all the way around the top half. They usually aren't heated though, and it's probably illegal to sleep in them (though my cousin used one as a room that was converted, back in the 80's).

This is more about who's going to get sued more, the bus company or the owner of the house, that's all.
 
2012-12-01 05:14:00 PM
Permits, zoning laws, inspection requirements, etc are mosty a means for city, state an local governments to get your money (and in my opinion a bit of an egotistical desire on their part to rule every aspect of your life).

An example of the absurdity of this crap: A few years back I had to have a water heater replaced so I called up Sears. After paying the obscene cost of a new water heater I scheduled installation and was told that I had to pay $60 to have the county come out an inspect the installation. This seemed curious so I asked if their installers were licensed. It turns out they were and them some. Among other things they were licensed by the state to install water heaters, having taken the appropriate contractors tests and whatnot. Now tell me, if the state licensed them then why on Earth does anyone from a government agency need to inspect their work? What the heck is the point of the license if somene has to check their work anyway? That must be one easy test/certification if you cant trust the person to do the work correctly even after they obtain the lisence.

Even more offensive, the county guy came to my house (from a whopping 4 miles away (probably burning $1 of gas in the process), walked into my garage, stopped about 10 ft from the water heater, glanced at it for about 3 seconds, turned around and muttered "its fine" as he left. That was the inspection that I paid $60 for!! I dont know about you but for $60 I expect a bit more work. At least two or three hours. Not to mention, if the county wants to inspect some aspect of my house then they should pay for it themselves. I didnt ask for the "service."
 
2012-12-01 05:17:57 PM
The legality of the room has no bearing on the liability of the city for the bus crash . Even if the bedroom was perfectly legal the boy shill would have likely;y been killed .
 
2012-12-01 05:18:13 PM

pxlboy: pedobearapproved: BADLY WRITTEN HEADLINE!!!! PUNCH BABIES!!!

This. I had to re-read it a few times before it made sense.

-1 Subby for badly-written headline

Go sit in the corner and think about what you have done.


Bedroom of long, island-boy, 6 killed, by Bus, crash was illegally! converted from a porch!! See-you, stupid people!!! This why you don't build anything! To house? The people? you! love? And let Buses, crash through your house. Stupid, stupid-people

Fixed the headline for you, much better now. I didn't even have to change a word.
 
2012-12-01 05:18:27 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: the bus killed the bedroom that was driven by a 6 year old porch, got it?


Wait, I thought it was that the bedroom was killed by a bus crash illegally converted from a porch.
 
2012-12-01 05:21:11 PM

hbk72777: These houses are common in many parts of LI. The porches are basically like rooms anyway, with a roof, half walls all the way around the bottom half, and windows all the way around the top half. They usually aren't heated though, and it's probably illegal to sleep in them (though my cousin used one as a room that was converted, back in the 80's).

This is more about who's going to get sued more, the bus company or the owner of the house, that's all.


Jesus Christ. It's not ILLEGAL to sleep on your front lawn. I would advise a tent in winter.
 
2012-12-01 06:06:56 PM
Subtards gaffe covered?

Good.

Bus shouldn't have been sleeping in Long Island for six years. Boy!
 
2012-12-01 08:31:38 PM
The reason for permits, other than to boost your property tax, is to make sure you build to code. Putting in a "homeowner's special" that isn't to code might be all fine for the home owner, but the house is going to get sold to someone else eventually if it survives. It would suck to buy a house and find out the hard way it wasn't safe to live in.
 
2012-12-01 10:41:03 PM
If the porch had remained a porch, would the boy have been there during the crash? This is why we have building codes.
 
2012-12-01 10:43:12 PM

Ima4nic8or: Permits, zoning laws, inspection requirements, etc are mosty a means for city, state an local governments to get your money (and in my opinion a bit of an egotistical desire on their part to rule every aspect of your life).

An example of the absurdity of this crap: A few years back I had to have a water heater replaced so I called up Sears. After paying the obscene cost of a new water heater I scheduled installation and was told that I had to pay $60 to have the county come out an inspect the installation. This seemed curious so I asked if their installers were licensed. It turns out they were and them some. Among other things they were licensed by the state to install water heaters, having taken the appropriate contractors tests and whatnot. Now tell me, if the state licensed them then why on Earth does anyone from a government agency need to inspect their work? What the heck is the point of the license if somene has to check their work anyway? That must be one easy test/certification if you cant trust the person to do the work correctly even after they obtain the lisence.

Even more offensive, the county guy came to my house (from a whopping 4 miles away (probably burning $1 of gas in the process), walked into my garage, stopped about 10 ft from the water heater, glanced at it for about 3 seconds, turned around and muttered "its fine" as he left. That was the inspection that I paid $60 for!! I dont know about you but for $60 I expect a bit more work. At least two or three hours. Not to mention, if the county wants to inspect some aspect of my house then they should pay for it themselves. I didnt ask for the "service."


I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. Great weather, and no building codes.
 
2012-12-01 10:46:18 PM
Two years back, a friend of a friend bought a cheep house in the shiatty part of town for $14,000 and a month
or so after he had moved in, the city came 'round and told him he had to do $25,000+ worth of renovations
within 6 months or they wouldn't certify it as habitable.

He pointed out that if he had $25K to drop on renovations, he wouldn't have bought that house in the first place
but the city couldn't care less. So he told the city to fark off and hasn't paid his property tax or water bill since and
if / when push comes to shove, he says he'll just abandon the house and walk away.
 
2012-12-02 12:01:26 AM

jankyboy: What's the point of this article? Need to file this under "who the fark cares if it was a porch or bedroom". Poor kid was still run down in his own house.


Who is greenlighting the articles today? Whole lotta who gives a fark.
 
2012-12-02 02:53:06 AM
So, the big question is -

Did his parents return his Xmas gifts?
Or did they change the tags so his brother gets more gifts to forget the pain of watching him die by being squeezed like a tube of toothpaste?
 
2012-12-02 05:01:02 AM

badhatharry: hbk72777: These houses are common in many parts of LI. The porches are basically like rooms anyway, with a roof, half walls all the way around the bottom half, and windows all the way around the top half. They usually aren't heated though, and it's probably illegal to sleep in them (though my cousin used one as a room that was converted, back in the 80's).

This is more about who's going to get sued more, the bus company or the owner of the house, that's all.

Jesus Christ. It's not ILLEGAL to sleep on your front lawn. I would advise a tent in winter.


Really?! Do you live in Narnia? 'Cause that shiat ain't gonna fly with the HOA.
 
2012-12-02 06:49:44 PM
Who says it was a bedroom? Ever hear of a "sleeping porch"? This was popular in the deep south before air conditioning. it was a screened porch furnished as a room, used to sleep in the summer for coolness, or even in the winter when people thought night air was healthy, and you could stay plenty warm with a quilt or something.
Since this is the Far Frozen North (by Dixie standards) the screen was enhanced into actual windows, which could be closed in the winter. Or summer, with A/C.

"What do you mean a bedroom? Who says it's a bedroom. We thought of it as a sleeping porch. It's called a porch on the plans, right? We pay taxes on it as a porch, right? So, what's the problem."
 
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