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(The New York Times)   Bloomberg: Those boardwalks Sandy tore up? They'll have to go. We're replacing them with expensive, ugly concrete from mobbed-up contractors. You'll be paying for it because fark you. Now drop that soda   (nytimes.com) divider line 96
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2012-12-01 02:54:18 PM  

casey17: BSABSVR: peewinkle: Imagine that you grew up in a beautiful, rustic log cabin that was built 100+ years ago. Then it was destroyed. So you replace it with with a poured-wall concrete abode. Get the picture?

Imagine my tax dollars are going to repair a damaged structure. They should be used in the smartest way possible both to restore the structure ans ensure against future damages, not just to mollify your fee-fees.

"fee-fee"'s?

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TOTES fee-fees
 
2012-12-01 02:54:29 PM  

MFAWG: mllawso: cryinoutloud: Concrete is ugly as fark.

[i.imgur.com image 549x453]

IIRC, that house was sold a few years ago, and it's basically a leaking, unstable piece of crap.


They shored it up. It's still leaky and has condensation issues, but it isn't in danger of falling over anymore.
 
2012-12-01 02:54:42 PM  

MFAWG: IIRC, that house was sold a few years ago, and it's basically a leaking, unstable piece of crap.


Which is due to cheap, crappy concrete and poor footing placement. So with modern concrete and engineering, it could have be built much, much better and still look good.
 
2012-12-01 02:55:23 PM  
Well, so many people clearly didn't RTFA.

Long before the storm, Mr. Bloomberg declared that New York City would phase out its use of endangered tropical hardwoods, featured on the Coney Island and Rockaway boardwalks. But a 2011 plan to replace parts of the Coney Island Boardwalk with concrete and recycled plastic lumber stirred resistance from local residents who wanted to retain the authenticity of the wood.

So the wood is endangered to begin with, that's good enough reason to stop using it.

I feel the point is moot. People shouldn't be building much in the Rockaways. They'll just get washed out the next time a hurricane comes along. Sandy was only a Category 1. Fool me once mother nature...
 
2012-12-01 03:05:05 PM  

Rug Doctor: If they spent millions of tax dollars rebuilding the boardwalk, a lot of these people would be railing about the irresponsible squandering of money.

Also, this isn't the twin towers -- since when did the Jersey shore become a national treasure that must be memorialized at all costs?


bout a month ago
 
2012-12-01 03:17:22 PM  
The Santa Monica Pier has been washed away several times over the years. It's now made out of a little bit of everything and is still hasn't lost it's airheaded charm. Also the "board walk" is concrete and nobody has a conniption while trying to call it that.
 
2012-12-01 03:17:56 PM  
It is well known that the mafia controls the concrete in New York City. That is the reason the concrete costs more here than anywhere else in the country. It is also the reason that Yankee Stadium cost so much to build. And yeah all this is, is about who will get the contract.
 
2012-12-01 03:32:41 PM  
imageshack.us 

Things change.
 
2012-12-01 03:41:40 PM  
 
2012-12-01 03:44:34 PM  
since when did the Jersey shore become a national treasure that must be memorialized at all costs?

Actually a single episode of that crap is considered a biohazard and a possible terrorist threat

/unless you mean the other "Jersey Shore"
 
2012-12-01 03:45:07 PM  
Why do New Yorkers keep voting in this wanna-be Mussolini piece of garbage as their Mayor? I really don't get it. Do all New Yorkers crave fascist control over their every waking moment?
 
2012-12-01 03:46:28 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Well, there are going to be many more storms like this. They can either build something that'll survive the next Sandy, or build something that won't. Besides, concrete isn't necessarily ugly.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]


came here to say this.

I've seen some nice stamped concrete that can be a compromise between the two:
static.concretenetwork.com

/hot like blacktop on a beachfront sidewalk
 
2012-12-01 03:48:35 PM  

cryinoutloud: You know what would work great? Boardwalks made out of recycled plastic. It's like pressed wood, except it's old plastic bottles and wood scraps. It lasts forever. I first saw them in Yellowstone Park many years ago, but now I see they're using that stuff to make picnic tables and all kinds of things. And you can make it look like wood if you want to.


Sure, until 30 years later, when it's discovered that the summer sun slowly leached fumes out of the plastic that gave everyone who visited the boardwalks in New Jersey cancer.

Would this be a good thing or a bad thing? Discuss.
 
2012-12-01 03:53:12 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Sandy was only a Category 1.


We covered this 52 times already.

Category refers to wind speed. Sandy was HUGE. As in, it was a much LARGER hurricane than most. More water was displaced than would have been by a smaller storm, even if the winds were blowing harder. More displaced water = larger storm surge = more damage.
 
2012-12-01 03:54:30 PM  

oh_please: cryinoutloud: You know what would work great? Boardwalks made out of recycled plastic. It's like pressed wood, except it's old plastic bottles and wood scraps. It lasts forever. I first saw them in Yellowstone Park many years ago, but now I see they're using that stuff to make picnic tables and all kinds of things. And you can make it look like wood if you want to.

Sure, until 30 years later, when it's discovered that the summer sun slowly leached fumes out of the plastic that gave everyone who visited the boardwalks in New Jersey cancer.

Would this be a good thing or a bad thing? Discuss.


I'm not sure you could tell the difference.
 
2012-12-01 04:06:38 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: It's not hard, not hard to reach.


We could hitch a ride...
 
2012-12-01 04:11:00 PM  

MFAWG: mllawso: cryinoutloud: Concrete is ugly as fark.

[i.imgur.com image 549x453]

IIRC, that house was sold a few years ago, and it's basically a leaking, unstable piece of crap.


Yeah, even in that picture you can see the falling water.
 
2012-12-01 04:16:35 PM  

natewill: Ctrl + F "Alexander Boardman" = no results :(

"The Boardwalk isn't named after its wooden planks. Its namesake actually comes from its inventor, Alexander Boardman, who developed the walkway in the 1870s."

Discuss.


mob666.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-01 04:29:14 PM  

cryinoutloud: You know what would work great? Boardwalks made out of recycled plastic. It's like pressed wood, except it's old plastic bottles and wood scraps. It lasts forever. I first saw them in Yellowstone Park many years ago, but now I see they're using that stuff to make picnic tables and all kinds of things. And you can make it look like wood if you want to.

[www.achilles-expert.com image 539x379] 

Concrete is ugly as fark.


I think that's the plastic wood and concrete solution that the article mentioned was proposed before, and may still be on the table.
 
2012-12-01 04:47:35 PM  

cman: MFAWG: Cambrian: Call me crazy but a concrete structure sounds more durable than WOODEN BOARDWALK

Yeah, not seeing the problem either.

You dont get it.

You just dont get it

Its a mob war between two unions. One wants to keep wooden boardwalks because their company has the contracts for repairing the boarwalk, while the other has a spiffy new contract. Of course there will be bloodshed. It is to be expected.


Complete with the Concrete Union stuffing the corpses of the Wooden Boardwalk Union into the new walkway.
 
2012-12-01 04:49:00 PM  

jenlen: Do all New Yorkers crave fascist control over their every waking moment?


Not only do they crave it, they'll pay $2000/hr for it from the right dominatrix.

It's either fascists who get elected, or bungling toadies like Dinkins and Lindsay. The city's about due for a full-blown crook running the show, though. Haven't had one of those since Jimmy Walker 80 years ago.
 
2012-12-01 04:54:20 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Complete with the Concrete Union stuffing the corpses of the Wooden Boardwalk Union into the new walkway.


Wasn't this in Mother Goose in some form?
 
2012-12-01 04:59:46 PM  

Snarfangel: Call it the brickwalk.


Boredwalk.
 
2012-12-01 05:07:09 PM  

cryinoutloud: You know what would work great? Boardwalks made out of recycled plastic. It's like pressed wood, except it's old plastic bottles and wood scraps. It lasts forever. I first saw them in Yellowstone Park many years ago, but now I see they're using that stuff to make picnic tables and all kinds of things. And you can make it look like wood if you want to.

[www.achilles-expert.com image 539x379] 

Concrete is ugly as fark.



FTFA:

Long before the storm, Mr. Bloomberg declared that New York City would phase out its use of endangered tropical hardwoods, featured on the Coney Island and Rockaway boardwalks. But a 2011 plan to replace parts of the Coney Island Boardwalk with concrete and recycled plastic lumber stirred resistance from local residents who wanted to retain the authenticity of the wood.

The city's public design commission preliminarily approved the plan last March, though work had not started.


So it looks like you should be happy to know that's probably what they're going to use on top of the concrete.

And also..... What the hell were they doing using endangered woods before? And some locals want them to keep using endangered woods? That's messed up.
 
2012-12-01 05:28:35 PM  
wait, you mean the mob is into construction now? next thing you know they'll start taking over prostitution.
 
2012-12-01 05:34:59 PM  

cryinoutloud: You know what would work great? Boardwalks made out of recycled plastic. It's like pressed wood, except it's old plastic bottles and wood scraps. It lasts forever. I first saw them in Yellowstone Park many years ago, but now I see they're using that stuff to make picnic tables and all kinds of things. And you can make it look like wood if you want to.

 

Concrete is ugly as fark.


Ssssh... Stop saying sensible things.
 
2012-12-01 05:52:34 PM  

randomjsa: We're replacing them with expensive, ugly concrete from mobbed-up contractors. You'll be paying for it because fark you.

This is a problem? This is precisely how public sector unions operate and how the Democrats they support treat tax payers.


It's sad how the only thing you seem to be able to do nowadays is jump into any thread, make some dipshiat remark about Democrats, then fly away to never return.
 
2012-12-01 06:14:32 PM  
How long will that concrete last after the sand is eroded out from under it by a storm?
 
2012-12-01 06:25:44 PM  

verbal_jizm: "Yeah, if there was a problem here it's all the unions fault not local corruption, right?"


[WillyWonka.jpg]
Tell us more about how those two things are different.
 
2012-12-01 06:27:59 PM  
How about making the structure itself out of durable concrete and steel to prevent a storm surge from destroying it, but covering the surface of it with wood (or convincing wood analogue) planks to preserve the attractive look of a wooden boardwalk?
 
2012-12-01 06:32:37 PM  

Last Man on Earth: MFAWG: Cambrian: Call me crazy but a concrete structure sounds more durable than WOODEN BOARDWALK

Yeah, not seeing the problem either.

Agreed. I'm nowhere near there, so I maybe I'm missing something, but right after a hurricane, it seems like replacing the fragile wood with wood-paneled concrete would be a much smarter play. Is there some amazingly irreplaceable element to the wood that I'm just not seeing?


Nostalgia.
 
2012-12-01 06:46:31 PM  
Call it the blazing hot as fark walk. There's a reason to use wood. It's not like they didn't have concrete in the olden days.
 
2012-12-01 08:00:23 PM  

mllawso: MFAWG: IIRC, that house was sold a few years ago, and it's basically a leaking, unstable piece of crap.

Which is due to cheap, crappy concrete and poor footing placement. So with modern concrete and engineering, it could have be built much, much better and still look good.


Also pretty obvious from the picture is the sagging... sad to see, really, a beautiful structure like that should have been built to last centuries.

/of course his airplanes didn't fly very well, either...
 
2012-12-01 08:46:17 PM  

spmkk: verbal_jizm: "Yeah, if there was a problem here it's all the unions fault not local corruption, right?"

[WillyWonka.jpg]
Tell us more about how those two things are different.


It's the difference between "ALL public sector unions are corrupt and make things cost eleventy billion dollars!!" and "some of New York's public sector unions have historically been owned by the mob."
 
2012-12-01 09:09:00 PM  
Ah, Jew York.
 
2012-12-01 09:52:18 PM  
fark THE RAINFOREST!

We demand a wooden structure we will have to rebuild again the next time this happens! We want to be able to have cool wood on the ground so we can run barefoot over the ocean of used needles and broken glass that is the coney island boardwalk!

AND WE DON'T WANT TO PAY A DIME FOR IT!
 
2012-12-01 11:03:15 PM  
Right. Gotta do all concrete. Because the concrete stood up to Sandy sooooo much better.

3.bp.blogspot.com 

SOOOOO much better.
 
2012-12-01 11:08:57 PM  

mllawso: cryinoutloud: Concrete is ugly as fark.

[i.imgur.com image 549x453]


isn't that where they woke up Woody Allen in sleeper?
 
2012-12-02 01:00:28 AM  
Wait, concrete - which is just dry mud - is more expensive than endangered tropical hardwood now?
 
2012-12-02 01:50:00 AM  

natewill: Ctrl + F "Alexander Boardman" = no results :(

"The Boardwalk isn't named after its wooden planks. Its namesake actually comes from its inventor, Alexander Boardman, who developed the walkway in the 1870s."

Discuss.


Link
 
2012-12-02 02:15:20 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ah, Jew York.


Cause if there's one thing we know about 21st century Jews, it's that they're laborers, right?
 
2012-12-02 04:50:53 AM  
I don't understand why using wood is bad. Doesn't that act as a carbon sink and thus trap carbon that we don't want in the atmosphere?

I will say that in East Asia, they concrete a lot of stuff. But they also can survive typhoons without having the power go out for weeks...so maybe they are onto something.
 
2012-12-02 06:11:18 AM  

Max Awesome: Wait, concrete - which is just dry mud - is more expensive than endangered tropical hardwood now?


It is when Vinnie the Squid and Tony Marbles get to wet their beaks.
 
2012-12-02 11:25:14 AM  
Walking is so last century


www.sksigns.co.uk
 
2012-12-02 01:29:18 PM  

hasty ambush: Walking is so last century


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The Roads Must Roll

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2012-12-02 06:22:18 PM  

eggrolls: Right. Gotta do all concrete. Because the concrete stood up to Sandy sooooo much better.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637] 

SOOOOO much better.


they sure did. Those cement blocks could be dropped right back down into their spots with some heavy machinery.

If they wanted to avoid that from happening, they could cast the walkway into the foundation posts instead of just resting them on top of existing foundations.
 
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