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(CBS News)   New poll says that nearly half of all Americans support legalization of marijuana. The other half were too stoned to answer any questions from the poll takers   (cbsnews.com) divider line 222
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-01 12:00:23 PM
When I was in college the figure was more like 10%. I wonder if the question was the same back then.

Before you get too hopeful, consider how long the national speed limit lasted and how long low state-set speed limits have continued despite overwhelming public opposition. People seem happy with a system where they risk jail every day but don't actually go to jail.
 
2012-12-01 12:43:04 PM
Hat Trick!
 
2012-12-01 12:48:22 PM
I prefer a bunch of stoners next door having a party to a bunch of drunks. The stoners tend to be a whole lot less violent and usually quieter. The drunks inevitably start some shiat.

Both booze and pot have medicinal qualities, though pot doesn't leave the user wrecked with a hangover if he consumes too much. Pot has been proven to work wonders for the miseries experienced by cancer victims while booze hasn't.

I don't know if pot will interact poorly with assorted prescription medications but I know booze will.

The majority of the population seem ignorant that making pot illegal was a political decision, pushed by a highly paid lobbyist to protect the interests of mainly one rich guy. He didn't want the many uses of non-narcotic pot (hemp) cutting into his considerable profits.

Booze was made illegal through a misguided movement, based on one woman, who had faced abuse from an alcoholic father or husband and knew other women who shared her fate. This was also during a time before there were laws protecting wives and children. However, prohibition ended and booze became legal again. Along with it came a mess that required the formation of M.A.D.D., the drunk driving laws and blood alcohol tests. Prior to that, AA formed and spread through all of the 50 states to give drunks a way to try and sober up.

Booze remains legal for several reasons, foremost is the chemical reaction in the brain, where it gives the drinker, initially, a very pleasant 'high', a feeling of relaxation and suppresses inhibitions. Essentially, it makes you feel darn good in a way no other drug can.

However, go past a certain level and the stuff gets nasty. It's caused more deaths and injuries than tobacco has. Tobacco has secondary smoke, booze has innocent victims. (Plow into a car while drunk and cripple the occupants for life. Throw the car up on a sidewalk and wipe out pedestrians minding their own, sober business.)

However, booze is legal. People go insane promoting it. Laws are forever being pushed concerning the levels of alcohol in legal drinks. Booze can turn a quiet, nice guy into a raving maniac, though I've never heard of unadulterated pot doing that. I have no doubt that 99% of you drinkers have experienced some form of activity while drunk that you regret and at least 60% will have some they can't recall, ranging from merely mildly embarrassing to possibly criminal.

The pot users I know have maybe a 20% ratio and probably 10% experienced a blackout where they might have done something criminal. Of that 10%, the majority will have consumed other drugs with the pot or smoked adulterated weed, especially joints with PCP added.

The hangover from booze can seem nearly lethal. This increases with your age. The long term effects of heavy drinking range from organ failure, to cancer, to pneumonia, brain damage, heart damage and, in some cases, nerve damage.

The long term effects of pot can be lung cancer, COPD and brain damage. That depends on the amount used and how it's taken in.

A pot 'hangover' is nowhere as unpleasant as a booze related hangover and does not put the same serious strain on the body.

Yet, booze is a booming, heavily advertised, multi-billion dollar a year business. A LEGAL business. There are now AA chapters in nearly EVERY city across the US and it's widely spread overseas.

Now, I would not want to be treated by a doctor who is tipsy from booze or stoned on pot.

However, booze tends to be more responsible for criminal activities than pot. Ask any cop who has street patrol on Friday and Saturday nights. Ask any boss about the loss in company productivity on Monday mornings from hangovers.

Ask any club bouncer about the effects of booze on his clients.

The figures are unclear as of yet, but there seems to be a dramatic increase in sexual offenses occurring due to booze than due to pot.

I neither drink nor use pot, but I can see the differences and know that if people can get their hands on anything which will make them feel good for a time, legal or not, they will do so.

I just think it's stupid that one substance which is much safer than the other, is illegal due to one man's selfishness while the other, tremendously more harmful, is sold legally by the truck load.

Take out the criminal element, regulate the stuff like tobacco and booze, tax it, benefit off the many commercial uses of the waste product (hemp), and you have a profit making, less overly harmful competition to booze.
 
2012-12-01 12:53:17 PM
I wonder if the rise of social media and/or free and open access to information via the 'net helped changed people's views on cannabis?
 
2012-12-01 01:20:39 PM
casualfridaymag.com

If only the Federal government read this book, then maybe they would know the difference between "drugs" and "holy shiat my life is farked up" drugs.
 
2012-12-01 01:20:44 PM
I don't care about making it legal. I just wish I could get for my pain. It has less side affects then the meds that I am on. One gave me acid reflux, so now I have to take Nexium. I also have Glaucoma and it supposed to help that too. I would rather be a stoner than the drug addict that my doctors are turning me into.
 
2012-12-01 01:20:49 PM
My state legalized it. All I'd ask of the rest of the states is to not squander federal resources into fighting a problem that my state decided wasn't worth prosecuting/jailing people for. I'd rather people go to safe dispensaries than deal with street gangs and armed felons in dark alleys.
 
2012-12-01 01:22:27 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the rise of social media and/or free and open access to information via the 'net helped changed people's views on cannabis?


I'm pretty sure it has.
 
2012-12-01 01:26:06 PM
It is not legalization that will be the issue. It is enlightenment.
 
2012-12-01 01:26:16 PM
Like far out man, aren't there like copious amounts of good vibes on Grass today,
or its it just me.
 
2012-12-01 01:27:14 PM
Because enslaving yourself to a chemical for a few minutes of fake happiness a pop is exactly the sort of thing we as a society should endorse. Grammes, damns, and all that.
 
2012-12-01 01:28:31 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the rise of social media and/or free and open access to information via the 'net helped changed people's views on cannabis?


More like a flood of misinformation. Everyone thinks it's a harmless drug with no side effects, when that is faaaaar from the case. But no one wants to read up on the actual side effects, particularly to people under 21 or so where it will cause permanent, irreversible damage to multiple aspects of their brain and body. Everyone is ignoring the medical facts and preaching these "b-b-b-but the cancer victims!" mantra when they don't even know that it's used to treat the side effects of cancer TREATMENTS and not cancer itself. I had 3 of these graphs with that misinformation float across my facebook this week. People are dreadfully misinformed. But, as you say, they're misinformed with more saturation because of the avenues of communication available.
 
2012-12-01 01:29:41 PM

ZAZ:
Before you get too hopeful, consider how long the national speed limit lasted and how long low state-set speed limits have continued despite overwhelming public opposition. People seem happy with a system where they risk jail every day but don't actually go to jail.


Bad example. Marijuana doesn't kill people.
 
2012-12-01 01:30:37 PM

Millennium: Because enslaving yourself to a chemical for a few minutes of fake happiness a pop is exactly the sort of thing we as a society should endorse. Grammes, damns, and all that.


You are exactly right and we'll continue this conversation after I've finished my beer,
 
2012-12-01 01:30:42 PM

Rik01: I prefer a bunch of stoners next door having a party to a bunch of drunks. The stoners tend to be a whole lot less violent and usually quieter. The drunks inevitably start some shiat.

Both booze and pot have medicinal qualities, though pot doesn't leave the user wrecked with a hangover if he consumes too much. Pot has been proven to work wonders for the miseries experienced by cancer victims while booze hasn't.

I don't know if pot will interact poorly with assorted prescription medications but I know booze will.

The majority of the population seem ignorant that making pot illegal was a political decision, pushed by a highly paid lobbyist to protect the interests of mainly one rich guy. He didn't want the many uses of non-narcotic pot (hemp) cutting into his considerable profits.

Booze was made illegal through a misguided movement, based on one woman, who had faced abuse from an alcoholic father or husband and knew other women who shared her fate. This was also during a time before there were laws protecting wives and children. However, prohibition ended and booze became legal again. Along with it came a mess that required the formation of M.A.D.D., the drunk driving laws and blood alcohol tests. Prior to that, AA formed and spread through all of the 50 states to give drunks a way to try and sober up.

Booze remains legal for several reasons, foremost is the chemical reaction in the brain, where it gives the drinker, initially, a very pleasant 'high', a feeling of relaxation and suppresses inhibitions. Essentially, it makes you feel darn good in a way no other drug can.

However, go past a certain level and the stuff gets nasty. It's caused more deaths and injuries than tobacco has. Tobacco has secondary smoke, booze has innocent victims. (Plow into a car while drunk and cripple the occupants for life. Throw the car up on a sidewalk and wipe out pedestrians minding their own, sober business.)

However, booze is legal. People go insane promoting it. Laws are forev ...


Apples and Oranges Alcohol and Marijuana
 
2012-12-01 01:31:05 PM

Millennium: Because enslaving yourself to a chemical for a few minutes of fake happiness a pop is exactly the sort of thing we as a society should endorse. Grammes, damns, and all that.


Lol, fake happiness. It's all fake, Bucko.
 
2012-12-01 01:31:53 PM

JPSimonetti: Weaver95: I wonder if the rise of social media and/or free and open access to information via the 'net helped changed people's views on cannabis?

More like a flood of misinformation. Everyone thinks it's a harmless drug with no side effects, when that is faaaaar from the case. But no one wants to read up on the actual side effects, particularly to people under 21 or so where it will cause permanent, irreversible damage to multiple aspects of their brain and body. Everyone is ignoring the medical facts and preaching these "b-b-b-but the cancer victims!" mantra when they don't even know that it's used to treat the side effects of cancer TREATMENTS and not cancer itself. I had 3 of these graphs with that misinformation float across my facebook this week. People are dreadfully misinformed. But, as you say, they're misinformed with more saturation because of the avenues of communication available.


1/10. needed more jesus.
 
2012-12-01 01:32:07 PM
sounds a bunch of those 65 and older need to get busy dying so the rest of us can smoke in peace
 
2012-12-01 01:32:11 PM

Millennium: Because enslaving yourself to a chemical for a few minutes of fake happiness a pop is exactly the sort of thing we as a society should endorse. Grammes, damns, and all that.


a few minutes? [yourdoingitwrong.jpg]
 
2012-12-01 01:32:13 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the rise of social media and/or free and open access to information via the 'net helped changed people's views on cannabis?


The Internet changed EVERYTHING, silly!

/except baby's diaper
 
2012-12-01 01:32:56 PM
I'm confused. Sometimes the majority is right and we must listen to them. But sometimes the majority is wrong and must be paternally patted on the head/shamed into oblivion. Who gets to decide this?
 
2012-12-01 01:33:26 PM

Fett56: sounds a bunch of those 65 and older need to get busy dying so the rest of us can smoke in peace


the old scare tactic of 'pot makes white women sleep with black men' doesn't seem to be as effective as it used to be...
 
2012-12-01 01:33:33 PM
I'm curious as to which state(s) will be next to decriminalize it.

/looking forward to my first non-redcard, completely legal purchase.
 
2012-12-01 01:34:03 PM
So can we start growing hemp to make all the magical things it can do now? Fuel, paper, clothes, replace fossil fuels, etc. I'd love to start specifying hemp products in projects.
 
2012-12-01 01:34:16 PM

lewismarktwo: Millennium: Because enslaving yourself to a chemical for a few minutes of fake happiness a pop is exactly the sort of thing we as a society should endorse. Grammes, damns, and all that.

Lol, fake happiness. It's all fake, Bucko.


You're a Buddhist, aren't you?
 
2012-12-01 01:34:41 PM
weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.
 
2012-12-01 01:35:38 PM

flucto: I'm confused. Sometimes the majority is right and we must listen to them. But sometimes the majority is wrong and must be paternally patted on the head/shamed into oblivion. Who gets to decide this?


People with lots of money.
 
2012-12-01 01:36:01 PM

Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.


Wanna back up and try again? cannabis makes one hell of an antibiotic.
 
2012-12-01 01:36:20 PM
"b-b-b-but the cancer victims!" mantra when they don't even know that it's used to treat the side effects of cancer TREATMENTS and not cancer itself.

What farking idiot espouses this? Oh, only you.
 
2012-12-01 01:37:08 PM

Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.


Nope, we're here and you are very poorly informed if you think Cannabis doesn't have medical uses.
 
2012-12-01 01:38:29 PM
If I have a headache, weed makes it go away. So does Tylenol. One of them adversly affects my liver. One of them does not.
 
2012-12-01 01:38:38 PM

Weaver95: Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.

Wanna back up and try again? cannabis makes one hell of an antibiotic.


Oh so smoking it kills MRSA? Yeah right clown! You probably have had MRSA 100's time in your life and would never know it.
 
2012-12-01 01:38:52 PM
I used to smoke weed (oh lots and lots and lots of weed...) but haven't for, ohhh... Over 10 years or so. Actually more like 20 now that I think about it.

Not against weed and not for weed. It just sort of is there.

It's been conclusively shown that, contrary to what some government officials have said, whacky tobacky isn't as "OMFG UR LIFE WILL ENDS" as these people say, by even the AMA (old-ish article, does link to some data from the AMA, and a quick google will show it's gotten more definitive with regards to medical use) and there have been more recent studies as well.

If it's fully legalized, I might smoke it again. Probably not. But who knows? I like the idea that I'd have that as a legal option.
 
2012-12-01 01:38:57 PM

BlippityBleep: So can we start growing hemp to make all the magical things it can do now? Fuel, paper, clothes, replace fossil fuels, etc. I'd love to start specifying hemp products in projects.


I really love the texture of hemp clothing; luxuriously soft and cozily warm. Durable, too..
 
2012-12-01 01:39:49 PM

Slutbucket: Weaver95: Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.

Wanna back up and try again? cannabis makes one hell of an antibiotic.

Oh so smoking it kills MRSA? Yeah right clown! You probably have had MRSA 100's time in your life and would never know it.


geez dude..if you're just gonna phone it in then don't bother posting on fark.
 
2012-12-01 01:39:57 PM
Im surprised 47% of you dumbasses are still ignorant enough to oppose cannabis legalization. I was chuckling at the last thread. "BUT OMGZ YOU WILL DRIVE ON MY ROADS WITH SLIGHTLY LOW EYES AND INCREASED HUNGER!"

Yet we're perfectly fine with tons of seedy establishments where people can come together and get wasted on grain alcohol, act belligerent, act slutty, possibly fight, etc. You don't think the bartender knows half the people he's serving in just that single establishment will be driving home? Drunk people with skewed equilibriums who kill thousands of people and ruin innocent families every single day across America, not illegal but socially acceptable apparently.
 
2012-12-01 01:41:13 PM

BlippityBleep: So can we start growing hemp to make all the magical things it can do now? Fuel, paper, clothes, replace fossil fuels, etc. I'd love to start specifying hemp products in projects.


I'm particularly intrigued about the possible uses of cannabis as a biofuel.
 
2012-12-01 01:42:18 PM

Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.


1/10 Made obvious who your intended troll was for. Try harder. Insult people after the first two posts instead of in the setup. Blatant untruths in the Boobies signal a troll also. Try misplacing an apostrophe. Not bad using `anyone that` instead of `anyone who` but the subtlety was lost in the ham fisted way you handled the rest of the post.

One more thing. the medical argument is last decade. It`s legal to smoke for fun now. Nobody cares about your troll point anymore.
 
2012-12-01 01:42:36 PM

D_Evans45: Im surprised 47% of you dumbasses are still ignorant enough to oppose cannabis legalization. I was chuckling at the last thread. "BUT OMGZ YOU WILL DRIVE ON MY ROADS WITH SLIGHTLY LOW EYES AND INCREASED HUNGER!"

Yet we're perfectly fine with tons of seedy establishments where people can come together and get wasted on grain alcohol, act belligerent, act slutty, possibly fight, etc. You don't think the bartender knows half the people he's serving in just that single establishment will be driving home? Drunk people with skewed equilibriums who kill thousands of people and ruin innocent families every single day across America, not illegal but socially acceptable apparently.


it takes a LONG time to undo all the damage the government disinformation on cannabis has done to the country. we're making progress tho, and that's what's important.
 
2012-12-01 01:43:07 PM

D_Evans45: Im surprised 47% of you dumbasses are still ignorant enough to oppose cannabis legalization. I was chuckling at the last thread. "BUT OMGZ YOU WILL DRIVE ON MY ROADS WITH SLIGHTLY LOW EYES AND INCREASED HUNGER!"

Yet we're perfectly fine with tons of seedy establishments where people can come together and get wasted on grain alcohol, act belligerent, act slutty, possibly fight, etc. You don't think the bartender knows half the people he's serving in just that single establishment will be driving home? Drunk people with skewed equilibriums who kill thousands of people and ruin innocent families every single day across America, not illegal but socially acceptable apparently.


Well I was going to support legalization but after reading this I just want to go drink and drive.
 
2012-12-01 01:43:21 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.

Nope, we're here and you are very poorly informed if you think Cannabis doesn't have medical uses.


I'm sure that is your primary concern - easing the suffering of cancer patients. Getting stoned off your ass at will has very little bearing on your opinion. It's all about treating the ill. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CANCER PATIENTS!

Whatever. Just a bunch of stoners that want to legally get baked, and they all cling to the only positive aspect of it without so much as googling 'medical marijuana' so they have no idea what they're talking about and just repeat what others posted on Facebook. Go read, say, the entire Wikipedia page on marijuana then come back and talk about how harmless it is.
 
2012-12-01 01:44:14 PM

Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.


seeing as there are about 3 or 4 MJ greenlit links from this morning alone I would say the stoners are up and moving. Pot smokers drink coffee as well ya know.

Oh and it certainly does do a better job than prescription drugs or OTC. The easiest example of this is diarrhea. If you get the shiats and you have to reach for some pills or the pink stuff it is gonna take time for it to kick in. Puff some MJ and you'll be in better shape in minutes.
 
2012-12-01 01:44:34 PM

Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.


Your argument is wrong and you should feel bad:Link

The problem with natural, plant based medicines is the potency can't be regulated, easily, hence prescriptions where dosages can be measured and administered consistently. It doesn't negate the positive effects of natural medicines, it simply meas effects can't be standardized and distributed to medicinal standards.
 
2012-12-01 01:45:18 PM

JPSimonetti:
Whatever. Just a bunch of stoners that want to legally get baked, and they all cling to the only positive aspect of it without so much as googling 'medical marijuana' so they have no idea what they're talking about and just repeat what others posted on Facebook. Go read, say, the entire Wikipedia page on marijuana then come back and talk about how harmless it is.


again, 1/10. you aren't very good at this trolling thing.
 
2012-12-01 01:45:24 PM

Weaver95: Slutbucket: Weaver95: Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.

Wanna back up and try again? cannabis makes one hell of an antibiotic.

Oh so smoking it kills MRSA? Yeah right clown! You probably have had MRSA 100's time in your life and would never know it.

geez dude..if you're just gonna phone it in then don't bother posting on fark.


The trolling has definitely been sub-par in this thread. I think they're high.
 
2012-12-01 01:45:37 PM

Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.



Your own cannabis hating governent is swooping up medical patents for cannabis. Source. And the ramifications.
 
2012-12-01 01:45:57 PM
Nearly half the people voted for Romney, too. That's why all those new positions opened up at work!

Can anyone explain how pot helps pain? Or is it all about the experimentation to see if it does?
 
2012-12-01 01:46:22 PM
I have a hard time understanding something. A huge proportion of the group fighting to prevent legalization is in the baby-boomers generation. Weren't they all there for the 60's / 70's? I think you're hard pressed to find folks over 65 who didnt see it or smoke it back then.

I guess i would have just imagined that having seen it just about everywhere in society would lead them to realize that "The poor weed ain't so bad"
 
2012-12-01 01:46:40 PM
iseeahappyface.com
 
2012-12-01 01:46:52 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Slutbucket: weird... none of the pot-heads are awake yet to comment on this thread?

/Anyone that argues the point that weed has medical use is a total farktard. There's extremely more effective and healthier prescription meds to handle anything people claim mj is a cure for.

Nope, we're here and you are very poorly informed if you think Cannabis doesn't have medical uses.


It does, but it has never really been about that has it?
 
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