BronyMedic: Well, that's wonderful. If they are using marijuana for conditions which it's indicated, and proven for, then good for them. I only hope the FDA and Feds don't come down on them for it.On another note, if they're one of those assholes marketing it as a cure for everything (Yes. Marijuana Woo DOES exist. Apparently, people don't understand that something showing in vitro cancer effects does not translate to in vivo effects necessarily.), I hope the FDA and Feds DO come down on them.
special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use? I'm having a bit of a struggle with your point, as I am not sure if it is obtuse, or hyperbolic.What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right? So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?
Hobodeluxe: If I only had a brain!
Bender The Offender: Okay, in the past 20 years, name all of the studies done on marijuana's effect on soft tissue pain versus neuralgia
Bender The Offender: What is the need for research and investigation when you have to win an argument on the internet by arguing the absence of evidence when there is an absence of research?
Bender The Offender: The farking ideal that somehow pain is not neurological is also exceptionally stupid
Bender The Offender: Oh, and The farking ideal that somehow pain is not neurological is also exceptionally stupid. All pain is neurological just as all people ultimately die of hypoxia. I also enjoyed the red herring about "marijuana induced pancreatitis" and the implication of a 15-80% mortality rate.
Bender The Offender: You're just going to twist things so you can ultimately be right because you don't give a fark about truth, you care about being right on the internet
Bender The Offender: Thank god you don't have a DEA number, I shudder to think of the suffering your patients would have to endure when they didn't fit within your moral filter of treatment. Ultimately, you're applying your morality to clinical treatment and that is farking wrong.
Bender The Offender: You should leave the healthcare field right now and get a job selling cars if you can't divorce your clinical treatment from your morality. You are not there to be right, you're there to provide the best course of treatment.
Bender The Offender: Exactly, when the fark would you even be confronted with this issue anyway? At what point is a Doc going to order you to give THC in the field. What if that is added to your county/city protocols. Are you going to refuse to comply with an order because you morally object?
Bender The Offender: AIDS
Bender The Offender: Cancer
Bender The Offender: Multiple Sclerosis
Bender The Offender: Now, I'm sure you think you know more than the doctors who approved that list. You don't. Quit farking pretending you do or keep up with your superior attitude, I'm sure that's going to work out real well for you the first time you get into a dick swinging contest with an ordering physician.
pissedoffmick: You fought a good, clean, intelligent fight Sir. Unfortunately you were battling potato. You lose because they say so. You are anti-pot because they say so.
BronyMedic: Bender The Offender: What conditions has marijuana being touted to cure? You're lying, there is no "condition" that medical marijuana can "cure", or has been implied to cure. Not one serious researcher has ever proposed Marijuana cures anything.I've never said it does.My point was that there are a lot of unscrupulous people out there that DO, and calling them out on it is being treated like being anti-pot. A great example of this is what happened last year. A study was released that showed concentrated THC in a dish showed anti-tumor activity against cancer cell cultures. Groups and the media IMMEDIATELY sprung on it as a cure for cancer. It also happened a few years back when a study of long-term cannabis users showed that although they had similar rates of COPD, they had lower rates of lung cancer.
Bender The Offender: What conditions has marijuana being touted to cure? You're lying, there is no "condition" that medical marijuana can "cure", or has been implied to cure. Not one serious researcher has ever proposed Marijuana cures anything.
Bender The Offender: Marijuana can treat a variety of symptoms (pain, nausea, anorexia, anxiety) .
Bender The Offender: ease, why not contact all the MMJ researchers at there and explain to them the various ways that cannaboids can affect the human body, since you seem so certain in your knowledge of what it can't do and we all know that an associates degree in a completely unrelated field gives you special knowledge that pharmaceutical researchers don't have.
Bender The Offender: Tell us how you're willing to look into the face of someone whose body is ravished by carcinomas and say "sorry buddy, no pain relief for you, you might get cancer one day". It's not just stupid, it's farking cruel and evil.
Bender The Offender: Can you tell us all that "smoking" is the way MD's suggest when they prescribe (it isn't, most prescribe eating it). You spount the same tired bullshiat arguments that NIDA feeds to stupid people and politicians like some sort of hostile jackass and expect to be taken seriously. Educate yourself so you don't end up looking like a jackass and imbecile. You know what, it's okay to be wrong, that's how we learn, but you're a farking smug asshole in your wrongness, and that's the absolute farking worse.
special20: If you don't think it's bad, why then do you continue to argue against its use?
special20: What I think the issue is, for you, is that smoking is bad, not just that marijuana is bad. Is that about right?
special20: So if a user can vaporize marijuana to ingest it, you still find issue? Yet, you're not against weed in general? Whargarble?
BronyMedic: special20: BronyMedic: weed is teh bad, m'kai?How many patients do you see that are sick because of marijuana use?Oh, look. Another one. Other than schizophrenics, and people who get anxiety attacks from it's use? None.Please, let me state for a fact, weed is not bad. Recreational, it's safer than alcohol for short term use, but smoked, has the same dangers as long-term cigarette use.I have a problem with people passing ANY substance off as a cure for X when it has not been demonstrated to be effective in that population. It gives people false hope. It robs desperate people of their money. And it delegitimizes marijuana as a LEGITIMATE treatment for some conditions.But please. Continue assuming because I'm realistic about medical marijuana and THC-compounds, and because I treat it like any other drug, with indications and contraindications, I think Marijuana is bad.
special20: BronyMedic: weed is teh bad, m'kai?How many patients do you see that are sick because of marijuana use?
Endive Wombat: BronyMedic: Well, that's wonderful. If they are using marijuana for conditions which it's indicated, and proven for, then good for them. I only hope the FDA and Feds don't come down on them for it.On another note, if they're one of those assholes marketing it as a cure for everything (Yes. Marijuana Woo DOES exist. Apparently, people don't understand that something showing in vitro cancer effects does not translate to in vivo effects necessarily.), I hope the FDA and Feds DO come down on them.A few things:It blows my mind that study after study shows that pot helps drive appetite, gives a sense of euphoria and happiness to those going to cancer treatment or trying to manage pain due to terminal illness, and yet we as a country (law makers) would rather pump you full of highly narcotic drugs and chemicals to achieve the same effects.I agree that the potheads need to knock it the fark off. The only thing in my opinion more annoying that a pothead's rambling on how great weed is, is a Born Again Christian who wont shut the fark up about Jesus.I have maintained for years, that this to the general public and to law makers, is the face of the pro medical marijuana movement:[rastavibes.files.wordpress.com image 500x376][www.imarijuana.com image 282x350][1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x400][blogs.ajc.com image 850x478]When in reality, this should be the face of medical marijuana:[www.naturalhealth365.com image 423x279][www.savagephotography.co.uk image 550x552][www.nancydionne.com image 535x358][static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]Personally, I think marijuana should be as available as alcohol and cigarettes, but that is discussion for another thread I am not saying that a constant morphine drip isn't helpful, but weed certainly ain't gonna hinder anything. I am trying to put myself in the shoes of those who actually want/need weed, those who are sick and or dying...I get a general sense of "fark you government and telling me what I can and c ...
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