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2012-12-01 02:08:38 AM  
Hail to the hippie job creators!
 
2012-12-01 02:11:01 AM  
something something big government something something socialists.
 
2012-12-01 02:22:05 AM  
Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob
 
2012-12-01 09:02:03 AM  
As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.
 
2012-12-01 09:30:13 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.


Oooooo. I can't wait for the fur to fly!
 
2012-12-01 09:32:49 AM  
But it will also slow the massive growth in the prison-industrial complex. Won't someone please think of the prison guard union?
 
2012-12-01 09:35:12 AM  
weed is harmless. its natural

arsenic is harmless. its natural

alcohol is harmless. its natural

wink wink.
 
2012-12-01 09:37:48 AM  
It's nice to know Tommy Chong can still get work after his conviction.
 
2012-12-01 09:40:50 AM  

Linux_Yes: weed is harmless. its natural

arsenic is harmless. its natural

alcohol is harmless. its natural

wink wink.


I suppose you also oppose the Sun.
 
2012-12-01 09:41:00 AM  
At least until the Federales come cracking down.
 
2012-12-01 09:42:35 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: At least until the Federales come cracking down.


Hail to the fuhrer!
 
2012-12-01 09:42:47 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.


Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?
 
2012-12-01 09:45:30 AM  

special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?


Oh boy.
 
2012-12-01 09:47:21 AM  

special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?


That's the problem- Alcohol is legal, too, but you can't go to work drunk.. Or drive. But there's an easy test for that. With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.
 
2012-12-01 09:48:05 AM  
Yes, how will the multi-billion dollar drug testing industry take this news?
And what about drug testing? Employers can't fire you for testing positive for a legal drug, right?
 
2012-12-01 09:48:47 AM  

special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?


Although pot will be legal, drug testing and firing those who test positive will still be allowed.
 
2012-12-01 09:49:55 AM  
Who is the pot expert? Cheech Marin?
 
2012-12-01 09:50:31 AM  

theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob


so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"
 
2012-12-01 09:50:52 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

Although pot will be legal, drug testing and firing those who test positive will still be allowed.


I envision plenty of court cases.
 
2012-12-01 09:51:18 AM  

machoprogrammer: Who is the pot expert? Cheech Marin?


There are many.
 
2012-12-01 09:51:51 AM  

bwilson27: special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

That's the problem- Alcohol is legal, too, but you can't go to work drunk.. Or drive. But there's an easy test for that. With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.


The test is simple - hold a bag of doritos in front of the suspected stoner, and if they smile and reach for it - they're high. A follow up is to ask a simple question like... "what time is it?" and if they answer by saying "what?" - they're stoned.
 
2012-12-01 09:51:58 AM  

bwilson27: special20: OtherBrotherDarryl: As Washington state employees, would these folks be WPEA union members and subject to drug testing? Ironic if that's the case.

Think this through... marijuana is legal in that state where they are employed. Drug tests shows marijuana usage. Your point is?

That's the problem- Alcohol is legal, too, but you can't go to work drunk.. Or drive. But there's an easy test for that. With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.


Testing for that might be more a skill issue for the cops. Just train the cops to do "running through a forest" and use the person's response to the STOP as a judge of sobriety.
 
2012-12-01 09:52:06 AM  
Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs

FTFY
 
2012-12-01 09:55:09 AM  

lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs
Are about to be indicted on Federal Controlled Substances charges.
FTFY


FTFY.
 
2012-12-01 09:56:16 AM  

Another Government Employee: lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs
Are about to be indicted on Federal Controlled Substances charges.
FTFY

FTFY.


Ummmm I don't think so...
 
2012-12-01 09:56:36 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Yes, how will the multi-billion dollar drug testing industry take this news?


They're going to love it. DUI laws will now be enforced with a blood test for THC.

And what about drug testing? Employers can't fire you for testing positive for a legal drug, right?

Yes they can.
 
2012-12-01 09:59:23 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Hail to the hippie job creators!

 
2012-12-01 10:02:03 AM  

bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.


Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.
 
2012-12-01 10:05:18 AM  

Muta: bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.


Again: there is a blood test for THC, and I believe there is also a saliva test. That was the whole impetus for legalization on the law enforcement side IMHO. Now that it can be a money grab for DUI, everybody is OK with it.
 
2012-12-01 10:05:26 AM  

gabethegoat: theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"


I actually drive better when you're stoned.
 
2012-12-01 10:07:55 AM  

pissedoffmick: Linux_Yes: weed is harmless. its natural

arsenic is harmless. its natural

alcohol is harmless. its natural

wink wink.

I suppose you also oppose the Sun.


i'm not sure about him, but i know i do. that biatch causes cancer.

"the night time is the right time, the night time is the right time."
 
2012-12-01 10:09:05 AM  

lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs

FTFY


Nope subby was correct: I job shared between 41 people who each work an hour a week. This is Obama's new ecomony.
 
2012-12-01 10:09:47 AM  
I wonder if people will stop being paranoid freaks when they're high once it's legal.
 
2012-12-01 10:10:57 AM  
Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created
 
2012-12-01 10:13:26 AM  
can't get excited about something the federal government can (and will) walk in and lay to waste whenever they damn well please. and that time will probably be when many people are making paychecks, investing money into business and happily enjoying their lives. what's the point. it's like giving candy to a baby so you can take it away.
 
2012-12-01 10:14:02 AM  

MFAWG: Muta: bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.

Again: there is a blood test for THC, and I believe there is also a saliva test. That was the whole impetus for legalization on the law enforcement side IMHO. Now that it can be a money grab for DUI, everybody is OK with it.


Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.
 
2012-12-01 10:14:30 AM  

hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created


I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.
 
2012-12-01 10:16:25 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: I wonder if people will stop being paranoid freaks when they're high once it's legal.


Probably, but it won't be because it's legal.

Growers will do a lot more selective breeding on the weed they have and produce strains that won't make you paranoid.

Most weed these days is extremely high in THC these days, since we used to think that's all that got you high, and that the 40 something other components in weed aren't important. Surprise surprise, they are important. THC alone makes people (well, lab rats in the study) exhibit paranoid behavior. If you start dropping the THC levels down, and add more of the other endocanabanoids, such as CBD, you no longer get paranoid behavior.

/SCIENCE!
 
2012-12-01 10:17:11 AM  

bwilson27: MFAWG: Muta: bwilson27: With weed, no such easy test to check if you're inebriated. This is a problem that will have to be solved first.

Why does there need to be a test first? We didn't have tests for drunk driving when prohibition was lifted. Necessity is the mother of invention. If there is a need for a field sobriety test that includes weed then it will be developed.

Again: there is a blood test for THC, and I believe there is also a saliva test. That was the whole impetus for legalization on the law enforcement side IMHO. Now that it can be a money grab for DUI, everybody is OK with it.

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.

,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.
 
2012-12-01 10:17:47 AM  

gabethegoat: theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"


Not really but it's a lot more fun...
 
2012-12-01 10:18:04 AM  

fluffy2097: OtherBrotherDarryl: I wonder if people will stop being paranoid freaks when they're high once it's legal.

Probably, but it won't be because it's legal.

Growers will do a lot more selective breeding on the weed they have and produce strains that won't make you paranoid.

Most weed these days is extremely high in THC these days, since we used to think that's all that got you high, and that the 40 something other components in weed aren't important. Surprise surprise, they are important. THC alone makes people (well, lab rats in the study) exhibit paranoid behavior. If you start dropping the THC levels down, and add more of the other endocanabanoids, such as CBD, you no longer get paranoid behavior.

/SCIENCE!


That's not true. The paranoia is cause by the release of dopamine. the THC levels have little or nothing to do with it, really
 
2012-12-01 10:18:40 AM  

MFAWG: bwilson27:

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.


Citation?
 
2012-12-01 10:19:34 AM  
media.247sports.com

I hope they find a man who can abide by the rules.
 
2012-12-01 10:22:10 AM  

dr_blasto: gabethegoat: theewhiterhino: Need to update my resume.

/Right after this doob

so much this.

/in before "i actually drive better when i'm stoned"

I actually drive better when you're stoned.


whoooa. mind=blown.
 
2012-12-01 10:23:13 AM  

MFAWG: hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.


It has been my experience that most government programs that politicians claim they will pay for themselves don't. No doubt Gubment will use all that 30% and demand even more. Even if it did pay for itself we still do not need more government employees.

Knowing government and its employees (you really cannot call them workers as that would imply they work) I am sure they can find plenty of current "under-utilized" government employees they can assign to this new department without having to hire more.
 
2012-12-01 10:24:31 AM  

hasty ambush: MFAWG: hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.

It has been my experience that most government programs that politicians claim they will pay for themselves don't. No doubt Gubment will use all that 30% and demand even more. Even if it did pay for itself we still do not need more government employees.

Knowing government and its employees (you really cannot call them workers as that would imply they work) I am sure they can find plenty of current "under-utilized" government employees they can assign to this new department without having to hire more.


You sound like a real happy, upbeat kinda guy.
 
2012-12-01 10:24:58 AM  

Blue_Blazer: lenfromak: Hate on marijuana all you want, but thanks to Washington legalizing it, 40 staffers and one pot expert now have a job jobs

FTFY

Nope subby was correct: I job shared between 41 people who each work an hour a week. This is Obama's new ecomony.


1/10
 
2012-12-01 10:26:21 AM  

bwilson27: MFAWG: bwilson27:

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.

Citation?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_drug_testing


Saliva testing
Cannabis is detectable by saliva testing. Just like blood testing, saliva testing detects the presence of parent drugs and not their inactive metabolites. This results in a shorter window of detection for cannabis by saliva testing[13] . Delta 9 THC is the parent compound. If saliva sample is tested in a lab, the detection level can be as low as 0.5ng/mL (up to 72 hours after intake)[14] and if an onsite instant saliva drug test is used, the cut off level is generally 50 ng/mL (up to 12 hours after intake)[15] . Per National Institute on Drug Abuse saliva drug testing provides a reasonable alternative to other drug testing methods [16] .

[edit]Blood testing
Cannabis is detectable in the blood for approximately 2-3 days after use, with heavy/frequent use detectable in the blood for approximately two weeks. [17] Because they are invasive and difficult to administer, blood tests are used less frequently. They are typically used in investigations of accidents, injuries and DUIs.

Urine contains predominantly THC-COOH, while hair, oral fluid and sweat contain primarily THC. Blood may contain both substances, with the relative amounts dependent on the recency and extent of usage.



I'll let some of the folks better versed in biochemistry help us sort this out, and then let the GED's in law tell me why it will/will not stand up in court.

There was literally NO oppostiton by law enforcement on this ballot measure, and I suspect advances in testing technologies are a big part of that. It's an additional revenue stream on top of the taxes.
 
2012-12-01 10:28:02 AM  

hasty ambush: MFAWG: hasty ambush: Just what we DON"T need, more government employees. Let me know when a substantial number of real jobs (private sector) are created

I have a feeling the 30 pct tax on the reefer will pay for those evil Gubment employees and leave a little left over for your hoverround.

It has been my experience that most government programs that politicians claim they will pay for themselves don't. No doubt Gubment will use all that 30% and demand even more. Even if it did pay for itself we still do not need more government employees.

Knowing government and its employees (you really cannot call them workers as that would imply they work) I am sure they can find plenty of current "under-utilized" government employees they can assign to this new department without having to hire more.


You're an idiot. Maybe you should do a little research into the state agency in question, and then go home and get your shine box.
 
2012-12-01 10:28:43 AM  

MFAWG: bwilson27: MFAWG: bwilson27:

Sure, there's a blood test.. And with it, they'll be able to bust you for DUI even though the last time you smoked was weeks ago.
There has to be a more accurate test.,

My understanding (possibly less than complete) is that they can now tell if it's been within the last 24 hours, so you're sort of kind of right.

Citation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_drug_testing


Saliva testing
Cannabis is detectable by saliva testing. Just like blood testing, saliva testing detects the presence of parent drugs and not their inactive metabolites. This results in a shorter window of detection for cannabis by saliva testing[13] . Delta 9 THC is the parent compound. If saliva sample is tested in a lab, the detection level can be as low as 0.5ng/mL (up to 72 hours after intake)[14] and if an onsite instant saliva drug test is used, the cut off level is generally 50 ng/mL (up to 12 hours after intake)[15] . Per National Institute on Drug Abuse saliva drug testing provides a reasonable alternative to other drug testing methods [16] .

[edit]Blood testing
Cannabis is detectable in the blood for approximately 2-3 days after use, with heavy/frequent use detectable in the blood for approximately two weeks. [17] Because they are invasive and difficult to administer, blood tests are used less frequently. They are typically used in investigations of accidents, injuries and DUIs.

Urine contains predominantly THC-COOH, while hair, oral fluid and sweat contain primarily THC. Blood may contain both substances, with the relative amounts dependent on the recency and extent of usage.


I'll let some of the folks better versed in biochemistry help us sort this out, and then let the GED's in law tell me why it will/will not stand up in court.

There was literally NO oppostiton by law enforcement on this ballot measure, and I suspect advances in testing technologies are a big part of that. It's an additional revenue stream on top of the taxes.


Hmmm You may be on to something.
 
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