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2012-12-01 02:11:33 PM

notatrollorami: Outlaw2097: should the spurs somehow...someway win it all, something tells me they may find stern floating down the riverwalk

Really? You forgot about their other 4 championships?


as a suns fan, yes. i cant sneeze without parker falling on his face and wanting a trip to the line.
 
2012-12-01 02:17:30 PM
Can't wait to see Stern's reaction to this...

i.imgur.com


He's such a pompous blowhard.
 
2012-12-01 02:24:27 PM
Serves the NBA right for wanting to put a team on one of their showcase games for the 4th game of a 4-in-5-nights stretch all on the road. I hope Peter Holt (the Spurs owner) and Popovich tell Stern to go eff himself. Practically everyone in the league they've asked about it backs up Popovich on this, as do an awfully large number of commentator types. Stern has no basis for doing this, especially after 25+ years of obvious tanking for draft position going unpunished and teams having rested guys for the playoffs with no punishment.

The people who have said that if the league wants the best on the court for these games, maybe they should make sure they don't schedule these teams for a game the immediate night before, especially a game in another city, are absolutely right. Even if a team plays its best guys, you probably aren't getting the best product out of a team who played a game elsewhere the previous night.

/Bulls fan
 
2012-12-01 02:42:37 PM

Moleculo: ough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.


That's not smart. So Pop would potentially tank an entire week of games (by sitting one at a time) as opposed to one (sitting them all at once)? He chose this game because it was the last of a long streak. He also may have chosen it to troll Stern. That's how it works in my head. "Oh you want us to play the Heat after 4 games in 5 days? And they had 5 days off? National television too, I see. Well fark you, then." Pop's no dummy.

And as Fark as my witness, Stern is the worst ever if he makes a move so boneheaded it makes me take the Spurs' side. Ugh I hate them so much.
 
2012-12-01 02:44:25 PM
I HATE the Spurs but what a bogus move, Stern is running out of time so I guess he's throwing all kinds of BS out there.
 
2012-12-01 03:11:13 PM
Stern makes Bettmann look good. And that's a pretty high bar. I have issues with Selig and Goodell too but Stern is the worst THE WORST I tell ya.

This clown isn't retiring for another what, 15 months? Fark me.
 
2012-12-01 03:17:21 PM
Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'
 
2012-12-01 03:21:00 PM

JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'


....for our game tomorrow against the Memphis Griz.
 
2012-12-01 03:32:14 PM
The franchise owners in the NFL and NBA have forgotten that the commissioner is an employee, not the dictator of the league. If someone that worked for me fined me $250k for making a smart move I'd fire them.

Stern is right, but what a dickhole statement he released. And why four games in five nights? It was stupid last year but at least there was an excuse.
 
2012-12-01 03:41:36 PM

rorypk: Stern is right, but what a dickhole statement he released


I dont mind the fine that much. It is Stern coming out before the game that bothers me. Make a phone call. Tell them it is bull shiat to sit all those guys and it is the opinion of the league that the fan deserve better. No reason to be so public about it. The Spure could have handled it better too by announcing this in July.
 
2012-12-01 03:47:57 PM

JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'


I find the more upsetting precedent to be that apparently the commissioner can fine your team for making a coaching decision that happens to contradict what he wants. That's the bad precedent here.
 
2012-12-01 03:57:11 PM

Gunny Highway: JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'

....for our game tomorrow against the Memphis Griz.


Sometimes you have to take a loss in a battle to win the war.

A season is 82 games long. Why kill yourselves on a long trip in enemy territory, for one game in a non-conference match-up?

Stern is just pissy that the ad dollars on TNT would be off. But guess what? that is not the concern of a teams coach.
 
2012-12-01 04:15:45 PM
Way to go, David Stern. You continue to take a giant shiat on your own legacy. After your grandstanding on the CBA negotiations last year, plumping for a ownership group that looked in the wrong at every turn, you decided to let your years of anger at a highly professional San Antonio Spurs franchise boil to the surface in the worst possible way.

Yes, yes, it's been obvious you hate these guys, and have hated them for a long time, and your 'dream finals' would be 'Lakers vs. Lakers'. But you picked the absolute worst time and absolute worst thing to say about this. Threatening 'serious sanctions' against them before the game even started? And... after Adam Silver last April - the guy you're grooming to be your successor - said he had absolutely no problems with teams sitting players? Didn't you realize that Popovich benched his starters in a game last year, down 20 to Dallas, and their bench almost won it in overtime? Completely changed the Spurs' season, as it gave their young guys massive confidence. You probably missed the news about that game, huh?

Memo, I guess, in the end: people don't like the Spurs. They may hate the Spurs. But they don't hate the Spurs because of this bullshiat revenue/charisma/Kobe-cock-smearing kind of thing you have going on. They respect the Spurs, and Duncan, and Ginobili, and Parker, and Popovich. They may hate the hell out of them, but they begrudgingly respect who they are and what they've done.

And... you thought you were going to win this battle? You tiny little ball of oleaginous waste? Get the hell out of here. You've just made your last year and a half a lame duck session. You thought you were going to have a victory lap, but no. You're done. Go away.
 
2012-12-01 04:21:45 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: they respect the Spurs, and Duncan, and Ginobili, and Parker, and Popovich. They may hate the hell out of them, but they begrudgingly respect who they are and what they've done.


Pretty much. Although, Bruce Bowen was really the only guy I hated on the Spurs. Great defender and baseline 3pt shooter, sure, but I also always thought he was cheap as fark with his patented "slide my foot under a jumpshooter so he potentially rolls his ankle when he comes down" move.

Pop I always liked, but I'm also a Pats fan, so he reminds me a lot of a more outwardly snarky Belichick.
 
2012-12-01 04:23:16 PM

JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'


That's a lot of variables. I don't know if a coach has sent his best players home under all of those circumstances, but it's common practice to rest your players throughout the regular season, especially if they're older. They do it in baseball & basketball all the time. My guess is that Stern probably didn't give a shiat until TNT started breathing down his neck about ad revenue.

So you're worried about precedents. What's the precedent now? You have to run all of your DNP's through Stern before you take the court?
 
2012-12-01 04:26:02 PM
One of the other reasons I read that Popovich chose the Miami game to sit the starters is because the next game for the Spurs after Miami is a more important divisional game. A loss to a division rival would hurt more than a loss to a non division rival.

And Stern has no business telling coaches who they should and should not rest.
 
2012-12-01 04:29:12 PM

Di Atribe: My guess is that Stern probably didn't give a shiat until TNT started breathing down his neck about ad revenue.


The game had good ratings
 
2012-12-01 04:30:40 PM

Di Atribe: They do it in baseball & basketball all the time. My guess is that Stern probably didn't give a shiat until TNT started breathing down his neck about ad revenue.


Perhaps, but if the Heat are also involved, it really shouldn't matter. They could scrimmage against a local HS team but if it's nationally televised, it WILL get good ratings.
 
2012-12-01 04:42:53 PM

Gunny Highway: Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?

The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.


Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.
 
2012-12-01 04:46:35 PM

Komplex: Gunny Highway: Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?

The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.

Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.


I do. People dont like the Spurs? Why? I know Suns, Mavs, Rockets fans dont but I was unaware of their unpopularity.
 
2012-12-01 04:52:33 PM

Gunny Highway: People dont like the Spurs? Why?


Nowadays they have a more athletic bench and don't play as "boring", but during much of their reign they didn't play a particularly exciting brand of basketball (though it was very effective). Throw in Bruce Bowen's Danny Ainge-ness, and Ginobili's flopability, and they also had easy targets for particular derision.
 
2012-12-01 05:26:31 PM

Gunny Highway: Komplex: Gunny Highway: Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?

The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.

Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.

I do. People dont like the Spurs? Why? I know Suns, Mavs, Rockets fans dont but I was unaware of their unpopularity.


Most people are kind of idiots, especially when it comes to professional basketball. But there's no excuse now. The Spurs were by far the most wildly fun team to watch at the end of last season. Crazy passing, complete unselfishness, wild scoring. They're not at that level yet, fighting injuries and early season boredom and what not. May not happen again.

But, yeah, I think most professional basketball fans are kind of retarded. But the league leadership has helped train them to be retarded.
 
2012-12-01 05:39:12 PM
What this is is a little pissing contest that's been simmering for years. On one side you have Stern, who has unquestionably done more to promote the NBA and make it profitable than any other commissioner of the past. He's a savvy lawyer and the kind of guy you want on your side if your money is tied up in a business that relies on teevee ratings...and shiat.

On the other side you have Pops, a no-nonsense ex-military guy who probably wrote the book on sports psychology and also happens to be the current winning-est coach in the league who also happens to be responsible for the most profitable and efficient sports team in any sports league. And that's saying something given that the Dallas Cowboys are only a few miles up Interstate 35.

Most NBA fans don't give a flying fark about the Spurs because they're a small market team and Stern has done everything to inculcate this belief by issuing the schedules he has in the past. So now he's gone on a little temper tantrum and fined Pops because he "cares" about the Miami fans. What a putz.

David Stern brought a knife to a gun fight. He's playing checkers when the game is Chess. He's going to lose. Hurry up and retire, douchebag.

Dave Stern stumbles again in his failed culture war against the Spurs
 
2012-12-01 06:09:23 PM

jaylectricity: At first I was on the coach's side, because of the ridiculous scheduling. But then I figured if he wanted to rest his guys he should have just rested them the game before to have them come out fresh for the Miami game.


Yea, fark the Spurs and their fans. They only exist to support the Eastern Conference market. The fact is Pops has built the best overall team in the league and been a consistent winner year after year, while Stern has done everything to screw small market teams by sucking up to the money in the teevee ratings in places like NY, LA, Boston and Miami with his stupid schedules that ignore the realities of..everything but what he wants.

When was the last time Dave Stern coached any team, let alone won any NBA championships? That motherfarker has no business telling Pops who and when to play. 

The farking NBA has more conspiracy theorists than the morons who think Obama was born in Kenya. That's pretty farking sad.
 
2012-12-01 06:10:34 PM
Komplex:

Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/ cry moar, Nancy
 
2012-12-01 06:27:01 PM
It's funny how in DFW, Ron Washington took all kinds of shiat for NOT resting his starters.
 
2012-12-01 06:29:18 PM
Its funny, but Dan LeBatard, who is as bog of a Heat fan as you'll ever see, said in his radio show yesterday that he almost hoped the Spurs would win, just to see Stern's reaction.
 
2012-12-01 07:04:10 PM

Bill Frist: FriarReb98: Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured).

It happens all the time in baseball, and happens fairly regularly in basketball. Pop in particular rests his stars a few games a year (although not always all at once)


But that many good players against the Heat? That's the part that just sounds...odd.
 
2012-12-01 07:28:10 PM

carnifex2005: Can't wait to see Stern's reaction to this...

[i.imgur.com image 768x1024]


He's such a pompous blowhard.


Hilarious! Where did you find this gem? :)
 
2012-12-01 07:39:25 PM

skankboy: carnifex2005: Can't wait to see Stern's reaction to this...

[i.imgur.com image 768x1024]


He's such a pompous blowhard.

Hilarious! Where did you find this gem? :)


Deadspin.
 
2012-12-01 09:27:23 PM

skankboy: Hilarious! Where did you find this gem? :)


PLEASE! Stop killing the NBA Pop!!!
cdn.breitbart.com 

/for Hollywood's sake
 
2012-12-01 10:47:41 PM

FriarReb98: Bill Frist: FriarReb98: Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured).

It happens all the time in baseball, and happens fairly regularly in basketball. Pop in particular rests his stars a few games a year (although not always all at once)

But that many good players against the Heat? That's the part that just sounds...odd.


Why is that odd? They rested their starters in a game they had a very high chance of losing so that they would be ready to go against the Grizzlies which is a much more important game for them to win. I can't stand the Spurs, but I have a helluva lot of respect for them. David Stern has overstayed his welcome for about five years. At this point he is just shiatting all over his legacy.

/can't tank a game to rest players
//tanking games for draft picks still ok
///or to screw over seatlle, that's ok too
 
2012-12-01 11:59:36 PM

JonPace: if a player signs an 82 game contract he's expected to play 82 games


But they don't sign 82-game contracts. They sign season contracts. The really lucky/talented ones sign multi-season contracts.

Does an 82-game contract mean they can fark off for the 16-28 game postseason?

Players play at the discretion of the coaching and medical staff, period. They're not paid by the hour.
 
2012-12-02 12:09:45 AM

CommiePuddin: JonPace: if a player signs an 82 game contract he's expected to play 82 games

But they don't sign 82-game contracts. They sign season contracts. The really lucky/talented ones sign multi-season contracts.

Does an 82-game contract mean they can fark off for the 16-28 game postseason?

Players play at the discretion of the coaching and medical staff, period. They're not paid by the hour.


You're right. Players are signed by the year. There is a specific day every year when every expiring contract runs out. Doesn't matter what happened in that time frame. They could have been injured the whole time, they still don't owe the team "games" to fulfill the contract.
 
2012-12-02 12:42:32 AM
Part of Pop's reasoning was that they had Memphis up Saturday night, division rival playing extremely well.

And...

Saturday comes.

And...

The Spurs win.

In overtime.

Hey Stern, how's that ass taste?
 
2012-12-02 01:04:45 AM
He did the same thing last year here against the Jazz. Nothing from Stern on that game. It maybe only bothers him when the game is on national TV against the defending champs? Why doesn't Pop just sit them at different times and not all at once. I don't care what he does, it's his team he can coach it how he wants. However it does kind of screw the fans over that wanted to see future hall of famers play and get D League call ups instead.
 
2012-12-02 02:09:43 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Part of Pop's reasoning was that they had Memphis up Saturday night, division rival playing extremely well.

And...

Saturday comes.

And...

The Spurs win.

In overtime.

Hey Stern, how's that ass taste?


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"..."


yeah_so: He did the same thing last year here against the Jazz. Nothing from Stern on that game. It maybe only bothers him when the game is on national TV against the defending champs? Why doesn't Pop just sit them at different times and not all at once. I don't care what he does, it's his team he can coach it how he wants. However it does kind of screw the fans over that wanted to see future hall of famers play and get D League call ups instead.


"Who has two thumbs and doesn't give a damn about your regular season marquee matchup?"

cdn.bleacherreport.net

"This guy!"



answers.bettor.com

"Me too!" 
 
2012-12-02 06:30:51 AM
yeah_so:

and get D League call ups instead

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2012-12-02 06:43:22 AM

Moleculo: Gunny Highway: Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan

The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.

A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.


Are you Dusty Baker?
 
2012-12-02 07:18:53 AM
Crazy idea: maybe the NBA should focus more on creating a competitive, entertaining product instead of setting up and marketing one-off premium matchups in order to generate fan interest.
 
2012-12-02 10:15:01 AM
If I were a fan of the team, and I went to a game and found out that the starters I really wanted to see were sitting, I would be fine with it, as long as it was for the reasons stated (resting, avoiding burnout/injuries, eyes on the playoffs).

Then again, as a Bears and Cubs fan, I'm in a little bit of a drought right now.

I will say this: I only follow basketball sporadically (when the Bulls are worth watching), but I know enough to know that Coach Thibs probably focuses too much on dominating the regular season. His starters play too much, even in meaningless preseason games. While that may or may not not have directly led to Rose and Deng being hurt come playoffs, it probably didn't help.
 
2012-12-02 10:36:47 AM

Orgasmatron138: If I were a fan of the team, and I went to a game and found out that the starters I really wanted to see were sitting, I would be fine with it, as long as it was for the reasons stated (resting, avoiding burnout/injuries, eyes on the playoffs).

Then again, as a Bears and Cubs fan, I'm in a little bit of a drought right now.

I will say this: I only follow basketball sporadically (when the Bulls are worth watching), but I know enough to know that Coach Thibs probably focuses too much on dominating the regular season. His starters play too much, even in meaningless preseason games. While that may or may not not have directly led to Rose and Deng being hurt come playoffs, it probably didn't help.


Pretty much, although last season was worse with the compressed schedule and all.
 
2012-12-02 12:32:42 PM

oMaJoJ: Orgasmatron138: If I were a fan of the team, and I went to a game and found out that the starters I really wanted to see were sitting, I would be fine with it, as long as it was for the reasons stated (resting, avoiding burnout/injuries, eyes on the playoffs).

Then again, as a Bears and Cubs fan, I'm in a little bit of a drought right now.

I will say this: I only follow basketball sporadically (when the Bulls are worth watching), but I know enough to know that Coach Thibs probably focuses too much on dominating the regular season. His starters play too much, even in meaningless preseason games. While that may or may not not have directly led to Rose and Deng being hurt come playoffs, it probably didn't help.

Pretty much, although last season was worse with the compressed schedule and all.


Forgot about that - solid point.
 
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