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2012-12-01 08:38:22 AM  
This is so weird. Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured). Never heard of another team caring that they were being given a gimmie. And never heard of this rule being invoked. It's just a triple whammy of WTF.
 
2012-12-01 08:48:25 AM  
I'm on Pop's side on this one. He's coaching to win in the post season, not the regular season. Its his team to coach the best way he sees fit.
 
2012-12-01 09:15:32 AM  
At first I was on the coach's side, because of the ridiculous scheduling. But then I figured if he wanted to rest his guys he should have just rested them the game before to have them come out fresh for the Miami game.
 
2012-12-01 10:45:38 AM  
Can we please use this as proof David Stern has gone senile so we can throw him out on his ass? Pleeeeease?
 
2012-12-01 10:48:30 AM  
An NBA player gets in a fight? That's a $25,000 fine.

An NBA coach makes a coaching decision? $250,000.
 
2012-12-01 10:52:31 AM  
The NBA is just looking out for the poor fans who paid big bucks to see their super heroes.
 
2012-12-01 10:53:10 AM  
Remember when David Stern said the Olympics should only be for 23 and under players? One of the reasons for that was so the aging veterans of the league wouldn't get themselves injured and tired for the season. So just in case anybody is wondering, this is really only about money, and slightly about Stern v Pop in a dick waving contest.
 
2012-12-01 10:53:25 AM  
I can't believe David Stern made the Celtics not play one of their star players. I paid good money for those tickets to see Rajon Rondo. It's not fair that I got screwed out of my money like that.
 
2012-12-01 10:56:56 AM  
Pops is just scared of the Grizzlies. I don't blame him.
 
2012-12-01 10:57:30 AM  
Nobody is really wrong here. Pop was looking out for his team and Stern was looking out for the league.
 
2012-12-01 10:58:29 AM  

jaylectricity: I can't believe David Stern made the Celtics not play one of their star players. I paid good money for those tickets to see Rajon Rondo. It's not fair that I got screwed out of my money like that.


Totally the same thing.
 
2012-12-01 10:59:28 AM  
This only happened because the game was on TNT and supposed to showcase the league, and Stern overreacted. The guy should have retired five years ago, because he just keeps farking up and embarrassing the NBA.
 
2012-12-01 10:59:39 AM  
should the spurs somehow...someway win it all, something tells me they may find stern floating down the riverwalk
 
2012-12-01 11:01:19 AM  
Sat their current Top 4 scorers, and have 2 starters out with injuries yet still hung with the defending league champs.

There are teams out there with starters that don't play as well.

Stern must think he's dealing with robots or superheroes. Hell, for a game last year Duncan was listed as "DNP-Old".
 
2012-12-01 11:02:12 AM  
Stern can go fark himself on a rusty spike
 
2012-12-01 11:02:24 AM  
San Antonio had four games in five days, and five games in seven days. Meanwhile, Miami had the previous five days off. Who schedules this shiat?
 
2012-12-01 11:07:39 AM  

NaziKamikaze: Stern must think he's dealing with robots or superheroes. Hell, for a game last year Duncan was listed as "DNP-Old".



That still cracks me up.
 
2012-12-01 11:16:17 AM  
Tanking a game to rest players ==bad

Tanking games to get lottery picks == good

Tanking games to get franchised moved = great


DIAF Stern


Spurs should repeat this move again, except sit one guy at inbound line and the rest on sideline.
Let opponent score 500-800 points. Will be a ratings extravaganza
 
2012-12-01 11:18:44 AM  
The funny thing is that it was an excellent game, too.
 
2012-12-01 11:30:44 AM  

js34603: jaylectricity: I can't believe David Stern made the Celtics not play one of their star players. I paid good money for those tickets to see Rajon Rondo. It's not fair that I got screwed out of my money like that.

Totally the same thing.


I'm just saying he could have suspended him for games against teams we see all the time. We only get the Trailblazers in Boston every other year.
 
2012-12-01 11:43:39 AM  
David Stern is the farking worst
 
2012-12-01 11:44:51 AM  

FriarReb98: Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured).


It happens all the time in baseball, and happens fairly regularly in basketball. Pop in particular rests his stars a few games a year (although not always all at once)
 
2012-12-01 11:44:54 AM  

Leader O'Cola: Tanking a game to rest players ==bad

Tanking games to get lottery picks == good

Tanking games to get franchised moved = great


DIAF Stern


Spurs should repeat this move again, except sit one guy at inbound line and the rest on sideline.
Let opponent score 500-800 points. Will be a ratings extravaganza


Never doubt how much dick waving Pops is willing to do. The man has both the balls and money to escalate this...but the brains not to since he just truly cares about winning. I could see him if his team tires, he plays his starters for 1-2 minutes, and then rests them the rest of the game. Could the NBA fine him for in-game moves?
 
2012-12-01 12:05:25 PM  
If the spurs had won, would they still have been fined? What if he rested the players on the bench instead of sending them home?
 
2012-12-01 12:26:14 PM  

jaylectricity: At first I was on the coach's side, because of the ridiculous scheduling. But then I figured if he wanted to rest his guys he should have just rested them the game before to have them come out fresh for the Miami game.


Why in the hell would you think that? His job is to get them to the postseason with the best position possible. That means if you ARE going to choose a game to rest starters it should be the game with the lowest probability of winning. That's Miami. Plus it's out of conference and doesn't affect your standings as much. PLUS if you do manage to beat them with your scrubs you've dealt a psychological blow to a potential Finals opponent (and they nearly did). Stern has zero right to penalize any team for internal personnel decisions unless the league owns the team.

///Don't like the Spurs.
 
2012-12-01 12:36:10 PM  
I paid good money to see Derrick Rose and the Bulls play, but the lousy Bulls didn't put Derrick Rose in the game! Come on, Stern! Do something about that.

On a more serious note, Stern is overreacting (and overreaching) because TNT and the booyahs cried foul.
 
2012-12-01 12:37:04 PM  
What the f*ck is wrong with you, Stern?
 
2012-12-01 12:41:28 PM  
I guess just bring them but don't play them next time. Problem solved.
 
2012-12-01 12:44:27 PM  
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2012-12-01 12:48:24 PM  
Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan
 
2012-12-01 12:52:48 PM  

Outlaw2097: should the spurs somehow...someway win it all, something tells me they may find stern floating down the riverwalk


Really? You forgot about their other 4 championships?
 
2012-12-01 12:57:35 PM  
Essentially giving away games will always be a huge no-no. Even though it happens, nobody actually admits to it and it can't really be proven.

If a team ever actually ever admitted to tanking games for a higher draft pick, they would be in a world of shiat.

Leagues really hate it when teams rest starters at the end of the season when nothing's on the line, but grudgingly accept it.

I hate David Stern with a passion, but if a player signs an 82 game contract he's expected to play 82 games
 
2012-12-01 01:03:04 PM  
Stern brought this on himself with his promotion of superstars over teams. I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams. They aren't heat fans, bulls fans, or lakers fans. They are kobe, lebron, and rose fans. People want to see their favorite players team up instead of beat each other, and this mindset has worked its way to the players themselves.

And the Spurs spit in the face of all of this. They have four players on their team from their 2003 championship run, and almost beat the heat with their scrubs. Fans don't want good basketball or entertaining games. Night before last was very entertaining. They want dunks by their favorite superstar.

Wont be long before players get to start fouling with chairs, can ignore the referees, and the games are completely scripted.

Slutter McGee
 
2012-12-01 01:04:24 PM  

Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan


The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.
 
2012-12-01 01:06:08 PM  

Slutter McGee: . I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams.


I know I cant disporve it but this sounds like bull shiat to me. Wouldnt being a Kobe or Rose fan make you a Lakers or Bulls fan by default?
 
2012-12-01 01:07:53 PM  

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2012-12-01 01:13:34 PM  

Gunny Highway: Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan

The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.


A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.
 
2012-12-01 01:17:13 PM  

VvonderJesus: Remember when David Stern said the Olympics should only be for 23 and under players? One of the reasons for that was so the aging veterans of the league wouldn't get themselves injured and tired for the season. So just in case anybody is wondering, this is really only about money, and slightly but mostly about Stern v Pop in a dick waving contest.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-01 01:21:10 PM  

Moleculo: A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.


They lost at the buzzer.
 
2012-12-01 01:30:38 PM  

Gunny Highway: Slutter McGee: . I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams.

I know I cant disporve it but this sounds like bull shiat to me. Wouldnt being a Kobe or Rose fan make you a Lakers or Bulls fan by default?


I suppose it can't be proven either way, but that type of "fandom" seems very prevalent to me. And I see what you mean but you're misreading it. The people who do this, front runners, were Bulls fans in the 90's, Lakers fans in the aughts, and were Heat fans the last two years. The disconnect for you is because they aren't "fans" at all in any traditional sense. They are "hardcore" fans of whoever is the biggest sports center icon at any given time.

And if my experience in Vegas two years ago during the Mavs/Heat finals (think 500 people in MGM Grand sportsbook from all over the country) they are unapologetic in their front running (they don't even make the pretense of having any real association with a team) and they are tremendously disproportionally black.

///ducks and covers
 
2012-12-01 01:35:57 PM  

Moleculo: Gunny Highway: Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan

The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.

A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.


I'm not sure how much you know about the Spurs, but their veterans have logged a ton of minutes and have had major injury issues over the past few years. Their coach has won 4 titles and has coached them for a long time and knows what's best for them to compete for a title. He even said himself that if their core stars were 23 or 25, he wouldn't have done this.

In general there have been many instances throughout the years where teams don't play some of their older players on back to back nights. It's a coaches decision, and Stern shouldn't get involved with this in any manner.

And I still haven't seen a Spurs fan yet complain about this.
 
2012-12-01 01:38:06 PM  

notatrollorami: Gunny Highway: Slutter McGee: . I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams.

I know I cant disporve it but this sounds like bull shiat to me. Wouldnt being a Kobe or Rose fan make you a Lakers or Bulls fan by default?

I suppose it can't be proven either way, but that type of "fandom" seems very prevalent to me. And I see what you mean but you're misreading it. The people who do this, front runners, were Bulls fans in the 90's, Lakers fans in the aughts, and were Heat fans the last two years. The disconnect for you is because they aren't "fans" at all in any traditional sense. They are "hardcore" fans of whoever is the biggest sports center icon at any given time.

And if my experience in Vegas two years ago during the Mavs/Heat finals (think 500 people in MGM Grand sportsbook from all over the country) they are unapologetic in their front running (they don't even make the pretense of having any real association with a team) and they are tremendously disproportionally black.

///ducks and covers


That is true I guess. I try not to let that bother me and I dont think it is an indictment on the sport or its fans. It is just a shirt or hat. I get what you guys are saying though. I was probably a little too critical to start.
 
2012-12-01 01:44:00 PM  

coolio mack: In general there have been many instances throughout the years where teams don't play some of their older players on back to back nights. It's a coaches decision, and Stern shouldn't get involved with this in any manner.


i282.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-01 01:44:02 PM  
So is the NBA going to retroactively fine all the teams that have had a playoff seed locked up and tanked games in April over the last 29 years of Stern's run?
 
2012-12-01 01:48:21 PM  

rjakobi: Can we please use this as proof David Stern has gone senile so we can throw him out on his ass? Pleeeeease?


Count me in. Stern is a pompous arrogant jackass.
 
2012-12-01 01:49:51 PM  

Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.


You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?
 
2012-12-01 01:53:03 PM  

JonPace: Essentially giving away games will always be a huge no-no.


The Spurs led for almost the entire game and barely lost int he final minutes.
 
2012-12-01 01:57:49 PM  

Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?


The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.
 
2012-12-01 02:00:45 PM  
david stern has lost his god damn mind. again...
 
2012-12-01 02:01:24 PM  

Slutter McGee: Stern brought this on himself with his promotion of superstars over teams. I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams. They aren't heat fans, bulls fans, or lakers fans. They are kobe, lebron, and rose fans. People want to see their favorite players team up instead of beat each other, and this mindset has worked its way to the players themselves.


I really have a hard time getting mad at people who care more about the actual players more than the "teams" that are really just big corporations run by mostly total asshole billionaires. Are we really supposed to have a lot of loyalty to the James Dolans of the world? The "teams" are the ones that start pointless lockouts just to steal even greater shares of the money that players earn and in general make everything shiatty for the fans.

Anyway, I hate Stern, but I wouldn't blame him for the NBA's superstar focus. It's just the reality of basketball. In bball, you have 5 starters and maybe 7 players getting significant minutes. A star player just has much more impact on the game than they do in, say, football (outside of the QB position) or baseball (where you have more than 5 fielders, and the starting pitchers, who maybe have the biggest impact, only play a percentage of the games.)

Also, you can probably pin some of the "blame" on the rise of fantasy sports. Fantasy Football especially has led people to care about individual players on other teams more than they ever did before.
 
2012-12-01 02:11:33 PM  

notatrollorami: Outlaw2097: should the spurs somehow...someway win it all, something tells me they may find stern floating down the riverwalk

Really? You forgot about their other 4 championships?


as a suns fan, yes. i cant sneeze without parker falling on his face and wanting a trip to the line.
 
2012-12-01 02:17:30 PM  
Can't wait to see Stern's reaction to this...

i.imgur.com


He's such a pompous blowhard.
 
2012-12-01 02:24:27 PM  
Serves the NBA right for wanting to put a team on one of their showcase games for the 4th game of a 4-in-5-nights stretch all on the road. I hope Peter Holt (the Spurs owner) and Popovich tell Stern to go eff himself. Practically everyone in the league they've asked about it backs up Popovich on this, as do an awfully large number of commentator types. Stern has no basis for doing this, especially after 25+ years of obvious tanking for draft position going unpunished and teams having rested guys for the playoffs with no punishment.

The people who have said that if the league wants the best on the court for these games, maybe they should make sure they don't schedule these teams for a game the immediate night before, especially a game in another city, are absolutely right. Even if a team plays its best guys, you probably aren't getting the best product out of a team who played a game elsewhere the previous night.

/Bulls fan
 
2012-12-01 02:42:37 PM  

Moleculo: ough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.


That's not smart. So Pop would potentially tank an entire week of games (by sitting one at a time) as opposed to one (sitting them all at once)? He chose this game because it was the last of a long streak. He also may have chosen it to troll Stern. That's how it works in my head. "Oh you want us to play the Heat after 4 games in 5 days? And they had 5 days off? National television too, I see. Well fark you, then." Pop's no dummy.

And as Fark as my witness, Stern is the worst ever if he makes a move so boneheaded it makes me take the Spurs' side. Ugh I hate them so much.
 
2012-12-01 02:44:25 PM  
I HATE the Spurs but what a bogus move, Stern is running out of time so I guess he's throwing all kinds of BS out there.
 
2012-12-01 03:11:13 PM  
Stern makes Bettmann look good. And that's a pretty high bar. I have issues with Selig and Goodell too but Stern is the worst THE WORST I tell ya.

This clown isn't retiring for another what, 15 months? Fark me.
 
2012-12-01 03:17:21 PM  
Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'
 
2012-12-01 03:21:00 PM  

JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'


....for our game tomorrow against the Memphis Griz.
 
2012-12-01 03:32:14 PM  
The franchise owners in the NFL and NBA have forgotten that the commissioner is an employee, not the dictator of the league. If someone that worked for me fined me $250k for making a smart move I'd fire them.

Stern is right, but what a dickhole statement he released. And why four games in five nights? It was stupid last year but at least there was an excuse.
 
2012-12-01 03:41:36 PM  

rorypk: Stern is right, but what a dickhole statement he released


I dont mind the fine that much. It is Stern coming out before the game that bothers me. Make a phone call. Tell them it is bull shiat to sit all those guys and it is the opinion of the league that the fan deserve better. No reason to be so public about it. The Spure could have handled it better too by announcing this in July.
 
2012-12-01 03:47:57 PM  

JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'


I find the more upsetting precedent to be that apparently the commissioner can fine your team for making a coaching decision that happens to contradict what he wants. That's the bad precedent here.
 
2012-12-01 03:57:11 PM  

Gunny Highway: JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'

....for our game tomorrow against the Memphis Griz.


Sometimes you have to take a loss in a battle to win the war.

A season is 82 games long. Why kill yourselves on a long trip in enemy territory, for one game in a non-conference match-up?

Stern is just pissy that the ad dollars on TNT would be off. But guess what? that is not the concern of a teams coach.
 
2012-12-01 04:15:45 PM  
Way to go, David Stern. You continue to take a giant shiat on your own legacy. After your grandstanding on the CBA negotiations last year, plumping for a ownership group that looked in the wrong at every turn, you decided to let your years of anger at a highly professional San Antonio Spurs franchise boil to the surface in the worst possible way.

Yes, yes, it's been obvious you hate these guys, and have hated them for a long time, and your 'dream finals' would be 'Lakers vs. Lakers'. But you picked the absolute worst time and absolute worst thing to say about this. Threatening 'serious sanctions' against them before the game even started? And... after Adam Silver last April - the guy you're grooming to be your successor - said he had absolutely no problems with teams sitting players? Didn't you realize that Popovich benched his starters in a game last year, down 20 to Dallas, and their bench almost won it in overtime? Completely changed the Spurs' season, as it gave their young guys massive confidence. You probably missed the news about that game, huh?

Memo, I guess, in the end: people don't like the Spurs. They may hate the Spurs. But they don't hate the Spurs because of this bullshiat revenue/charisma/Kobe-cock-smearing kind of thing you have going on. They respect the Spurs, and Duncan, and Ginobili, and Parker, and Popovich. They may hate the hell out of them, but they begrudgingly respect who they are and what they've done.

And... you thought you were going to win this battle? You tiny little ball of oleaginous waste? Get the hell out of here. You've just made your last year and a half a lame duck session. You thought you were going to have a victory lap, but no. You're done. Go away.
 
2012-12-01 04:21:45 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: they respect the Spurs, and Duncan, and Ginobili, and Parker, and Popovich. They may hate the hell out of them, but they begrudgingly respect who they are and what they've done.


Pretty much. Although, Bruce Bowen was really the only guy I hated on the Spurs. Great defender and baseline 3pt shooter, sure, but I also always thought he was cheap as fark with his patented "slide my foot under a jumpshooter so he potentially rolls his ankle when he comes down" move.

Pop I always liked, but I'm also a Pats fan, so he reminds me a lot of a more outwardly snarky Belichick.
 
2012-12-01 04:23:16 PM  

JonPace: Has there ever been a scenario where two top teams played in the middle of the season and a coach just sent his best players home?

It's a pretty terrible precedent to set of 'Well, the Heat are a really good team and there's a really good chance we'll lose anyways so might as well just rest our stars.'


That's a lot of variables. I don't know if a coach has sent his best players home under all of those circumstances, but it's common practice to rest your players throughout the regular season, especially if they're older. They do it in baseball & basketball all the time. My guess is that Stern probably didn't give a shiat until TNT started breathing down his neck about ad revenue.

So you're worried about precedents. What's the precedent now? You have to run all of your DNP's through Stern before you take the court?
 
2012-12-01 04:26:02 PM  
One of the other reasons I read that Popovich chose the Miami game to sit the starters is because the next game for the Spurs after Miami is a more important divisional game. A loss to a division rival would hurt more than a loss to a non division rival.

And Stern has no business telling coaches who they should and should not rest.
 
2012-12-01 04:29:12 PM  

Di Atribe: My guess is that Stern probably didn't give a shiat until TNT started breathing down his neck about ad revenue.


The game had good ratings
 
2012-12-01 04:30:40 PM  

Di Atribe: They do it in baseball & basketball all the time. My guess is that Stern probably didn't give a shiat until TNT started breathing down his neck about ad revenue.


Perhaps, but if the Heat are also involved, it really shouldn't matter. They could scrimmage against a local HS team but if it's nationally televised, it WILL get good ratings.
 
2012-12-01 04:42:53 PM  

Gunny Highway: Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?

The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.


Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.
 
2012-12-01 04:46:35 PM  

Komplex: Gunny Highway: Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?

The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.

Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.


I do. People dont like the Spurs? Why? I know Suns, Mavs, Rockets fans dont but I was unaware of their unpopularity.
 
2012-12-01 04:52:33 PM  

Gunny Highway: People dont like the Spurs? Why?


Nowadays they have a more athletic bench and don't play as "boring", but during much of their reign they didn't play a particularly exciting brand of basketball (though it was very effective). Throw in Bruce Bowen's Danny Ainge-ness, and Ginobili's flopability, and they also had easy targets for particular derision.
 
2012-12-01 05:26:31 PM  

Gunny Highway: Komplex: Gunny Highway: Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?

The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.

Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.

I do. People dont like the Spurs? Why? I know Suns, Mavs, Rockets fans dont but I was unaware of their unpopularity.


Most people are kind of idiots, especially when it comes to professional basketball. But there's no excuse now. The Spurs were by far the most wildly fun team to watch at the end of last season. Crazy passing, complete unselfishness, wild scoring. They're not at that level yet, fighting injuries and early season boredom and what not. May not happen again.

But, yeah, I think most professional basketball fans are kind of retarded. But the league leadership has helped train them to be retarded.
 
2012-12-01 05:39:12 PM  
What this is is a little pissing contest that's been simmering for years. On one side you have Stern, who has unquestionably done more to promote the NBA and make it profitable than any other commissioner of the past. He's a savvy lawyer and the kind of guy you want on your side if your money is tied up in a business that relies on teevee ratings...and shiat.

On the other side you have Pops, a no-nonsense ex-military guy who probably wrote the book on sports psychology and also happens to be the current winning-est coach in the league who also happens to be responsible for the most profitable and efficient sports team in any sports league. And that's saying something given that the Dallas Cowboys are only a few miles up Interstate 35.

Most NBA fans don't give a flying fark about the Spurs because they're a small market team and Stern has done everything to inculcate this belief by issuing the schedules he has in the past. So now he's gone on a little temper tantrum and fined Pops because he "cares" about the Miami fans. What a putz.

David Stern brought a knife to a gun fight. He's playing checkers when the game is Chess. He's going to lose. Hurry up and retire, douchebag.

Dave Stern stumbles again in his failed culture war against the Spurs
 
2012-12-01 06:09:23 PM  

jaylectricity: At first I was on the coach's side, because of the ridiculous scheduling. But then I figured if he wanted to rest his guys he should have just rested them the game before to have them come out fresh for the Miami game.


Yea, fark the Spurs and their fans. They only exist to support the Eastern Conference market. The fact is Pops has built the best overall team in the league and been a consistent winner year after year, while Stern has done everything to screw small market teams by sucking up to the money in the teevee ratings in places like NY, LA, Boston and Miami with his stupid schedules that ignore the realities of..everything but what he wants.

When was the last time Dave Stern coached any team, let alone won any NBA championships? That motherfarker has no business telling Pops who and when to play. 

The farking NBA has more conspiracy theorists than the morons who think Obama was born in Kenya. That's pretty farking sad.
 
2012-12-01 06:10:34 PM  
Komplex:

Nobody loves the Spurs. Nobody.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/ cry moar, Nancy
 
2012-12-01 06:27:01 PM  
It's funny how in DFW, Ron Washington took all kinds of shiat for NOT resting his starters.
 
2012-12-01 06:29:18 PM  
Its funny, but Dan LeBatard, who is as bog of a Heat fan as you'll ever see, said in his radio show yesterday that he almost hoped the Spurs would win, just to see Stern's reaction.
 
2012-12-01 07:04:10 PM  

Bill Frist: FriarReb98: Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured).

It happens all the time in baseball, and happens fairly regularly in basketball. Pop in particular rests his stars a few games a year (although not always all at once)


But that many good players against the Heat? That's the part that just sounds...odd.
 
2012-12-01 07:28:10 PM  

carnifex2005: Can't wait to see Stern's reaction to this...

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He's such a pompous blowhard.


Hilarious! Where did you find this gem? :)
 
2012-12-01 07:39:25 PM  

skankboy: carnifex2005: Can't wait to see Stern's reaction to this...

[i.imgur.com image 768x1024]


He's such a pompous blowhard.

Hilarious! Where did you find this gem? :)


Deadspin.
 
2012-12-01 09:27:23 PM  

skankboy: Hilarious! Where did you find this gem? :)


PLEASE! Stop killing the NBA Pop!!!
cdn.breitbart.com 

/for Hollywood's sake
 
2012-12-01 10:47:41 PM  

FriarReb98: Bill Frist: FriarReb98: Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured).

It happens all the time in baseball, and happens fairly regularly in basketball. Pop in particular rests his stars a few games a year (although not always all at once)

But that many good players against the Heat? That's the part that just sounds...odd.


Why is that odd? They rested their starters in a game they had a very high chance of losing so that they would be ready to go against the Grizzlies which is a much more important game for them to win. I can't stand the Spurs, but I have a helluva lot of respect for them. David Stern has overstayed his welcome for about five years. At this point he is just shiatting all over his legacy.

/can't tank a game to rest players
//tanking games for draft picks still ok
///or to screw over seatlle, that's ok too
 
2012-12-01 11:59:36 PM  

JonPace: if a player signs an 82 game contract he's expected to play 82 games


But they don't sign 82-game contracts. They sign season contracts. The really lucky/talented ones sign multi-season contracts.

Does an 82-game contract mean they can fark off for the 16-28 game postseason?

Players play at the discretion of the coaching and medical staff, period. They're not paid by the hour.
 
2012-12-02 12:09:45 AM  

CommiePuddin: JonPace: if a player signs an 82 game contract he's expected to play 82 games

But they don't sign 82-game contracts. They sign season contracts. The really lucky/talented ones sign multi-season contracts.

Does an 82-game contract mean they can fark off for the 16-28 game postseason?

Players play at the discretion of the coaching and medical staff, period. They're not paid by the hour.


You're right. Players are signed by the year. There is a specific day every year when every expiring contract runs out. Doesn't matter what happened in that time frame. They could have been injured the whole time, they still don't owe the team "games" to fulfill the contract.
 
2012-12-02 12:42:32 AM  
Part of Pop's reasoning was that they had Memphis up Saturday night, division rival playing extremely well.

And...

Saturday comes.

And...

The Spurs win.

In overtime.

Hey Stern, how's that ass taste?
 
2012-12-02 01:04:45 AM  
He did the same thing last year here against the Jazz. Nothing from Stern on that game. It maybe only bothers him when the game is on national TV against the defending champs? Why doesn't Pop just sit them at different times and not all at once. I don't care what he does, it's his team he can coach it how he wants. However it does kind of screw the fans over that wanted to see future hall of famers play and get D League call ups instead.
 
2012-12-02 02:09:43 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Part of Pop's reasoning was that they had Memphis up Saturday night, division rival playing extremely well.

And...

Saturday comes.

And...

The Spurs win.

In overtime.

Hey Stern, how's that ass taste?


a.espncdn.com

"..."


yeah_so: He did the same thing last year here against the Jazz. Nothing from Stern on that game. It maybe only bothers him when the game is on national TV against the defending champs? Why doesn't Pop just sit them at different times and not all at once. I don't care what he does, it's his team he can coach it how he wants. However it does kind of screw the fans over that wanted to see future hall of famers play and get D League call ups instead.


"Who has two thumbs and doesn't give a damn about your regular season marquee matchup?"

cdn.bleacherreport.net

"This guy!"



answers.bettor.com

"Me too!" 
 
2012-12-02 06:30:51 AM  
yeah_so:

and get D League call ups instead

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2012-12-02 06:43:22 AM  

Moleculo: Gunny Highway: Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan

The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.

A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.


Are you Dusty Baker?
 
2012-12-02 07:18:53 AM  
Crazy idea: maybe the NBA should focus more on creating a competitive, entertaining product instead of setting up and marketing one-off premium matchups in order to generate fan interest.
 
2012-12-02 10:15:01 AM  
If I were a fan of the team, and I went to a game and found out that the starters I really wanted to see were sitting, I would be fine with it, as long as it was for the reasons stated (resting, avoiding burnout/injuries, eyes on the playoffs).

Then again, as a Bears and Cubs fan, I'm in a little bit of a drought right now.

I will say this: I only follow basketball sporadically (when the Bulls are worth watching), but I know enough to know that Coach Thibs probably focuses too much on dominating the regular season. His starters play too much, even in meaningless preseason games. While that may or may not not have directly led to Rose and Deng being hurt come playoffs, it probably didn't help.
 
2012-12-02 10:36:47 AM  

Orgasmatron138: If I were a fan of the team, and I went to a game and found out that the starters I really wanted to see were sitting, I would be fine with it, as long as it was for the reasons stated (resting, avoiding burnout/injuries, eyes on the playoffs).

Then again, as a Bears and Cubs fan, I'm in a little bit of a drought right now.

I will say this: I only follow basketball sporadically (when the Bulls are worth watching), but I know enough to know that Coach Thibs probably focuses too much on dominating the regular season. His starters play too much, even in meaningless preseason games. While that may or may not not have directly led to Rose and Deng being hurt come playoffs, it probably didn't help.


Pretty much, although last season was worse with the compressed schedule and all.
 
2012-12-02 12:32:42 PM  

oMaJoJ: Orgasmatron138: If I were a fan of the team, and I went to a game and found out that the starters I really wanted to see were sitting, I would be fine with it, as long as it was for the reasons stated (resting, avoiding burnout/injuries, eyes on the playoffs).

Then again, as a Bears and Cubs fan, I'm in a little bit of a drought right now.

I will say this: I only follow basketball sporadically (when the Bulls are worth watching), but I know enough to know that Coach Thibs probably focuses too much on dominating the regular season. His starters play too much, even in meaningless preseason games. While that may or may not not have directly led to Rose and Deng being hurt come playoffs, it probably didn't help.

Pretty much, although last season was worse with the compressed schedule and all.


Forgot about that - solid point.
 
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