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2012-12-01 08:38:22 AM  
This is so weird. Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured). Never heard of another team caring that they were being given a gimmie. And never heard of this rule being invoked. It's just a triple whammy of WTF.
 
2012-12-01 08:48:25 AM  
I'm on Pop's side on this one. He's coaching to win in the post season, not the regular season. Its his team to coach the best way he sees fit.
 
2012-12-01 09:15:32 AM  
At first I was on the coach's side, because of the ridiculous scheduling. But then I figured if he wanted to rest his guys he should have just rested them the game before to have them come out fresh for the Miami game.
 
2012-12-01 10:45:38 AM  
Can we please use this as proof David Stern has gone senile so we can throw him out on his ass? Pleeeeease?
 
2012-12-01 10:48:30 AM  
An NBA player gets in a fight? That's a $25,000 fine.

An NBA coach makes a coaching decision? $250,000.
 
2012-12-01 10:52:31 AM  
The NBA is just looking out for the poor fans who paid big bucks to see their super heroes.
 
2012-12-01 10:53:10 AM  
Remember when David Stern said the Olympics should only be for 23 and under players? One of the reasons for that was so the aging veterans of the league wouldn't get themselves injured and tired for the season. So just in case anybody is wondering, this is really only about money, and slightly about Stern v Pop in a dick waving contest.
 
2012-12-01 10:53:25 AM  
I can't believe David Stern made the Celtics not play one of their star players. I paid good money for those tickets to see Rajon Rondo. It's not fair that I got screwed out of my money like that.
 
2012-12-01 10:56:56 AM  
Pops is just scared of the Grizzlies. I don't blame him.
 
2012-12-01 10:57:30 AM  
Nobody is really wrong here. Pop was looking out for his team and Stern was looking out for the league.
 
2012-12-01 10:58:29 AM  

jaylectricity: I can't believe David Stern made the Celtics not play one of their star players. I paid good money for those tickets to see Rajon Rondo. It's not fair that I got screwed out of my money like that.


Totally the same thing.
 
2012-12-01 10:59:28 AM  
This only happened because the game was on TNT and supposed to showcase the league, and Stern overreacted. The guy should have retired five years ago, because he just keeps farking up and embarrassing the NBA.
 
2012-12-01 10:59:39 AM  
should the spurs somehow...someway win it all, something tells me they may find stern floating down the riverwalk
 
2012-12-01 11:01:19 AM  
Sat their current Top 4 scorers, and have 2 starters out with injuries yet still hung with the defending league champs.

There are teams out there with starters that don't play as well.

Stern must think he's dealing with robots or superheroes. Hell, for a game last year Duncan was listed as "DNP-Old".
 
2012-12-01 11:02:12 AM  
Stern can go fark himself on a rusty spike
 
2012-12-01 11:02:24 AM  
San Antonio had four games in five days, and five games in seven days. Meanwhile, Miami had the previous five days off. Who schedules this shiat?
 
2012-12-01 11:07:39 AM  

NaziKamikaze: Stern must think he's dealing with robots or superheroes. Hell, for a game last year Duncan was listed as "DNP-Old".



That still cracks me up.
 
2012-12-01 11:16:17 AM  
Tanking a game to rest players ==bad

Tanking games to get lottery picks == good

Tanking games to get franchised moved = great


DIAF Stern


Spurs should repeat this move again, except sit one guy at inbound line and the rest on sideline.
Let opponent score 500-800 points. Will be a ratings extravaganza
 
2012-12-01 11:18:44 AM  
The funny thing is that it was an excellent game, too.
 
2012-12-01 11:30:44 AM  

js34603: jaylectricity: I can't believe David Stern made the Celtics not play one of their star players. I paid good money for those tickets to see Rajon Rondo. It's not fair that I got screwed out of my money like that.

Totally the same thing.


I'm just saying he could have suspended him for games against teams we see all the time. We only get the Trailblazers in Boston every other year.
 
2012-12-01 11:43:39 AM  
David Stern is the farking worst
 
2012-12-01 11:44:51 AM  

FriarReb98: Never heard of a team doing this on purpose (i.e., not because they're injured).


It happens all the time in baseball, and happens fairly regularly in basketball. Pop in particular rests his stars a few games a year (although not always all at once)
 
2012-12-01 11:44:54 AM  

Leader O'Cola: Tanking a game to rest players ==bad

Tanking games to get lottery picks == good

Tanking games to get franchised moved = great


DIAF Stern


Spurs should repeat this move again, except sit one guy at inbound line and the rest on sideline.
Let opponent score 500-800 points. Will be a ratings extravaganza


Never doubt how much dick waving Pops is willing to do. The man has both the balls and money to escalate this...but the brains not to since he just truly cares about winning. I could see him if his team tires, he plays his starters for 1-2 minutes, and then rests them the rest of the game. Could the NBA fine him for in-game moves?
 
2012-12-01 12:05:25 PM  
If the spurs had won, would they still have been fined? What if he rested the players on the bench instead of sending them home?
 
2012-12-01 12:26:14 PM  

jaylectricity: At first I was on the coach's side, because of the ridiculous scheduling. But then I figured if he wanted to rest his guys he should have just rested them the game before to have them come out fresh for the Miami game.


Why in the hell would you think that? His job is to get them to the postseason with the best position possible. That means if you ARE going to choose a game to rest starters it should be the game with the lowest probability of winning. That's Miami. Plus it's out of conference and doesn't affect your standings as much. PLUS if you do manage to beat them with your scrubs you've dealt a psychological blow to a potential Finals opponent (and they nearly did). Stern has zero right to penalize any team for internal personnel decisions unless the league owns the team.

///Don't like the Spurs.
 
2012-12-01 12:36:10 PM  
I paid good money to see Derrick Rose and the Bulls play, but the lousy Bulls didn't put Derrick Rose in the game! Come on, Stern! Do something about that.

On a more serious note, Stern is overreacting (and overreaching) because TNT and the booyahs cried foul.
 
2012-12-01 12:37:04 PM  
What the f*ck is wrong with you, Stern?
 
2012-12-01 12:41:28 PM  
I guess just bring them but don't play them next time. Problem solved.
 
2012-12-01 12:44:27 PM  
www.kegeratornation.com
 
2012-12-01 12:48:24 PM  
Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan
 
2012-12-01 12:52:48 PM  

Outlaw2097: should the spurs somehow...someway win it all, something tells me they may find stern floating down the riverwalk


Really? You forgot about their other 4 championships?
 
2012-12-01 12:57:35 PM  
Essentially giving away games will always be a huge no-no. Even though it happens, nobody actually admits to it and it can't really be proven.

If a team ever actually ever admitted to tanking games for a higher draft pick, they would be in a world of shiat.

Leagues really hate it when teams rest starters at the end of the season when nothing's on the line, but grudgingly accept it.

I hate David Stern with a passion, but if a player signs an 82 game contract he's expected to play 82 games
 
2012-12-01 01:03:04 PM  
Stern brought this on himself with his promotion of superstars over teams. I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams. They aren't heat fans, bulls fans, or lakers fans. They are kobe, lebron, and rose fans. People want to see their favorite players team up instead of beat each other, and this mindset has worked its way to the players themselves.

And the Spurs spit in the face of all of this. They have four players on their team from their 2003 championship run, and almost beat the heat with their scrubs. Fans don't want good basketball or entertaining games. Night before last was very entertaining. They want dunks by their favorite superstar.

Wont be long before players get to start fouling with chairs, can ignore the referees, and the games are completely scripted.

Slutter McGee
 
2012-12-01 01:04:24 PM  

Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan


The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.
 
2012-12-01 01:06:08 PM  

Slutter McGee: . I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams.


I know I cant disporve it but this sounds like bull shiat to me. Wouldnt being a Kobe or Rose fan make you a Lakers or Bulls fan by default?
 
2012-12-01 01:07:53 PM  

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2012-12-01 01:13:34 PM  

Gunny Highway: Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan

The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.


A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.
 
2012-12-01 01:17:13 PM  

VvonderJesus: Remember when David Stern said the Olympics should only be for 23 and under players? One of the reasons for that was so the aging veterans of the league wouldn't get themselves injured and tired for the season. So just in case anybody is wondering, this is really only about money, and slightly but mostly about Stern v Pop in a dick waving contest.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-01 01:21:10 PM  

Moleculo: A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.


They lost at the buzzer.
 
2012-12-01 01:30:38 PM  

Gunny Highway: Slutter McGee: . I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams.

I know I cant disporve it but this sounds like bull shiat to me. Wouldnt being a Kobe or Rose fan make you a Lakers or Bulls fan by default?


I suppose it can't be proven either way, but that type of "fandom" seems very prevalent to me. And I see what you mean but you're misreading it. The people who do this, front runners, were Bulls fans in the 90's, Lakers fans in the aughts, and were Heat fans the last two years. The disconnect for you is because they aren't "fans" at all in any traditional sense. They are "hardcore" fans of whoever is the biggest sports center icon at any given time.

And if my experience in Vegas two years ago during the Mavs/Heat finals (think 500 people in MGM Grand sportsbook from all over the country) they are unapologetic in their front running (they don't even make the pretense of having any real association with a team) and they are tremendously disproportionally black.

///ducks and covers
 
2012-12-01 01:35:57 PM  

Moleculo: Gunny Highway: Moleculo: Not an NBA fan, but I gotta agree with Stern's decision. As a fan I'd be pretty pissed if this starts to become a trend, paying hundreds of dollars to go see a game and not knowing whether the star players or the second string is showing up. Tough schedule? Fine, rest one player at a time for each game. Don't rest your entire starting squad the same game, that's a big middle finger to your fans.

/grumpy NHL fan

The Spurs had 4 game in 5 nights. Thursday was the Heats first of two games this week. I do not understand NBA scheduling.

It is all about the ratings for a nationally televised game. I am pretty sure the game got good numbers. The fine is stupid.

A tough schedule is no excuse for pulling all your starters for a single game. Like I said, of you have a tough schedule, rest them one at a time. Or, you know, suck it up because you play basketball for a living.

Every team plays the same number of games, having a tough week here means they'll have an easy week later.


I'm not sure how much you know about the Spurs, but their veterans have logged a ton of minutes and have had major injury issues over the past few years. Their coach has won 4 titles and has coached them for a long time and knows what's best for them to compete for a title. He even said himself that if their core stars were 23 or 25, he wouldn't have done this.

In general there have been many instances throughout the years where teams don't play some of their older players on back to back nights. It's a coaches decision, and Stern shouldn't get involved with this in any manner.

And I still haven't seen a Spurs fan yet complain about this.
 
2012-12-01 01:38:06 PM  

notatrollorami: Gunny Highway: Slutter McGee: . I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams.

I know I cant disporve it but this sounds like bull shiat to me. Wouldnt being a Kobe or Rose fan make you a Lakers or Bulls fan by default?

I suppose it can't be proven either way, but that type of "fandom" seems very prevalent to me. And I see what you mean but you're misreading it. The people who do this, front runners, were Bulls fans in the 90's, Lakers fans in the aughts, and were Heat fans the last two years. The disconnect for you is because they aren't "fans" at all in any traditional sense. They are "hardcore" fans of whoever is the biggest sports center icon at any given time.

And if my experience in Vegas two years ago during the Mavs/Heat finals (think 500 people in MGM Grand sportsbook from all over the country) they are unapologetic in their front running (they don't even make the pretense of having any real association with a team) and they are tremendously disproportionally black.

///ducks and covers


That is true I guess. I try not to let that bother me and I dont think it is an indictment on the sport or its fans. It is just a shirt or hat. I get what you guys are saying though. I was probably a little too critical to start.
 
2012-12-01 01:44:00 PM  

coolio mack: In general there have been many instances throughout the years where teams don't play some of their older players on back to back nights. It's a coaches decision, and Stern shouldn't get involved with this in any manner.


i282.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-01 01:44:02 PM  
So is the NBA going to retroactively fine all the teams that have had a playoff seed locked up and tanked games in April over the last 29 years of Stern's run?
 
2012-12-01 01:48:21 PM  

rjakobi: Can we please use this as proof David Stern has gone senile so we can throw him out on his ass? Pleeeeease?


Count me in. Stern is a pompous arrogant jackass.
 
2012-12-01 01:49:51 PM  

Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.


You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?
 
2012-12-01 01:53:03 PM  

JonPace: Essentially giving away games will always be a huge no-no.


The Spurs led for almost the entire game and barely lost int he final minutes.
 
2012-12-01 01:57:49 PM  

Bill Frist: Moleculo: that's a big middle finger to your fans.

You think there are a lot of Spurs fans in Miami?


The Spurs are the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NBA. Give the fans and the boss the middle finger but people love them anyway.
 
2012-12-01 02:00:45 PM  
david stern has lost his god damn mind. again...
 
2012-12-01 02:01:24 PM  

Slutter McGee: Stern brought this on himself with his promotion of superstars over teams. I have tons of friends who are fans of a particular player and don't care about the actual teams. They aren't heat fans, bulls fans, or lakers fans. They are kobe, lebron, and rose fans. People want to see their favorite players team up instead of beat each other, and this mindset has worked its way to the players themselves.


I really have a hard time getting mad at people who care more about the actual players more than the "teams" that are really just big corporations run by mostly total asshole billionaires. Are we really supposed to have a lot of loyalty to the James Dolans of the world? The "teams" are the ones that start pointless lockouts just to steal even greater shares of the money that players earn and in general make everything shiatty for the fans.

Anyway, I hate Stern, but I wouldn't blame him for the NBA's superstar focus. It's just the reality of basketball. In bball, you have 5 starters and maybe 7 players getting significant minutes. A star player just has much more impact on the game than they do in, say, football (outside of the QB position) or baseball (where you have more than 5 fielders, and the starting pitchers, who maybe have the biggest impact, only play a percentage of the games.)

Also, you can probably pin some of the "blame" on the rise of fantasy sports. Fantasy Football especially has led people to care about individual players on other teams more than they ever did before.
 
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