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(Some Guy)   Inspired by Miami Marlins, who successfully got government to build $600 million baseball stadium for team with no fans, shadowy group announces plan to construct $400 million soccer stadium in downtown Tampa   (theoffsiderules.com) divider line 28
    More: Florida, Tampa, florida, Raymond James Stadium, Sss, PRI, economic development corporation, soccer, Major League Soccer  
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526 clicks; posted to Sports » on 01 Dec 2012 at 9:16 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-12-01 08:59:06 AM
As a soccer fan who likes the MLS, this seems like too fast an expansion. I hope I'm wrong. When I think of "rabid fan base", I don't think of Florida.
 
2012-12-01 09:29:55 AM
When you have trouble filling NFL stadiums and struggle to have a full house for a championship-winning basketball team, you may want to think hard before building a soccer stadium
 
2012-12-01 09:35:13 AM
This same group is actively promoting a major league basketball team for Virginia Beach, VA.
 
2012-12-01 09:43:41 AM

Langston: As a soccer fan who likes the MLS, this seems like too fast an expansion. I hope I'm wrong. When I think of "rabid fan base", I don't think of Florida.


I do. What other population would you expect might have rabies?
 
2012-12-01 09:45:25 AM
That will draw less fans than the marlins do. I used to live in tampa and never once did I ever hear of anyone clamoring for a soccer team. The rays cant even get anyone to go to their games despite being a pretty good team with a good front office.
 
2012-12-01 09:49:33 AM

wambu: This same group is actively promoting a major league basketball team for Virginia Beach, VA.


I don't understand the whole growth of the NBA. It seems like too many teams are playing for half full arenas and just a general attitude or IJD GAF.

Thread jack over

I would think that if government money is going to used to fund a professional sports stadium and team then profit sharing on top of taxes should go back to the community. Repaying the hundreds of millions of dollars would also be acceptable.
 
2012-12-01 09:50:42 AM
You got to hand it to those "job creators" and that's exactly what this group wants the citizens of Tampa to do.
 
2012-12-01 10:00:09 AM
Also subs, the government didnt pay 600 mil for that stadium. IIRC 300 mil was put up by the ownership group. The remaining half was paid by a combination of a bond issue and tourist tax dollars. The tourist tax dollars have to be spent on something that is touristy. It cant be used for schools, social programs etc. That was always a complaint from people (why are millions of tax dollars being spent on a stadium, when Miami-Dade schools suck) well because it cant be spent on education.

Im not saying Miami didnt get fleeced by these guys in some ways, especially regarding the product that was supposed to be put on the field, But Miami didnt pay $600 mil for it either.
 
2012-12-01 10:08:23 AM
I hear they're about to have two minor league soccer teams, one in the NASL (already there) and another in the lower USL, which will play in this one. The MLS would be better off playing in the soccer-starved St. Louis area (look up that city's history with the sport) than going for uncertainty in Tampa again.
 
2012-12-01 10:09:13 AM
Seattle's got you beat: a plan to build a $450 million arena for TWO teams that don't exist was unveiled yesterday.
 
2012-12-01 10:14:14 AM

great_tigers: I would think that if government money is going to used to fund a professional sports stadium and team then profit sharing on top of taxes should go back to the community. Repaying the hundreds of millions of dollars would also be acceptable.


rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-12-01 10:32:38 AM
Think of the jerbs. The jerbs to build it, the jerbs to run it into the ground and the jerbs to eventually tear it down.
/jerbs
 
2012-12-01 10:47:42 AM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: I hear they're about to have two minor league soccer teams, one in the NASL (already there) and another in the lower USL, which will play in this one. The MLS would be better off playing in the soccer-starved St. Louis area (look up that city's history with the sport) than going for uncertainty in Tampa again.


The Tampa Bay Mutiny logo was kinda awesome though. It looked like a giant Space Invader.
 
2012-12-01 10:56:52 AM

shadowdweller: When you have trouble filling NFL stadiums and struggle to have a full house for a championship-winning basketball team, you may want to think hard before building a soccer stadium


Tampa Bay has an NBA team?
 
2012-12-01 11:16:49 AM
I recently moved from Seattle to Tampa. One is a soccer city. One is not. This is a dumb idea.
 
2012-12-01 11:30:33 AM
Maybe they could look into using that stadium they built in St Petersburg Fl, for no damn good reason.
 
2012-12-01 12:17:53 PM
It's football you inbred Yankees!
 
2012-12-01 12:26:02 PM
Yes, everyone here is probably right. This is probably a bad idea.

But the MLS team in Mayberry, I mean Hooterville, I mean Salt Lake City seems to be doing OK.
 
2012-12-01 12:37:18 PM
Tampa had a MLS team. Not only was that team dismissed, sowas the MLS team in Miami.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-01 12:38:09 PM
i47.tinypic.com


This team was awesome in the early eighties.
 
2012-12-01 12:50:17 PM
They don't even build $400 million soccer stadiums in countries that like the sport.
 
2012-12-01 01:04:20 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Also subs, the government didnt pay 600 mil for that stadium. IIRC 300 mil was put up by the ownership group. The remaining half was paid by a combination of a bond issue and tourist tax dollars. The tourist tax dollars have to be spent on something that is touristy. It cant be used for schools, social programs etc. That was always a complaint from people (why are millions of tax dollars being spent on a stadium, when Miami-Dade schools suck) well because it cant be spent on education.

Im not saying Miami didnt get fleeced by these guys in some ways, especially regarding the product that was supposed to be put on the field, But Miami didnt pay $600 mil for it either.


Everywhere I've read has said that Marlins Park was 80% taxpayer funded.

- County put in $376MM
- City put in $132MM
- Marlins paid $160MM (but see below)
- Marlins get all revenues (pay $35MM of rent, which is part of the $160MM)
- Marlins pay cost overruns for stadium
- City pays for cost overruns for everything else
- City provided the land

And from Grantland (shudder):

"In the end, the Marlins agreed to pay $125 million of the stadium's total $634 million in construction costs, with $35 million coming from another interest-free loan, this time from the county. "

So before factoring in interest on the municipal bonds (estimated at just south of $2B over their lives), the county and city paid $508MM directly PLUS the land PLUS the interest-free loan. So, depending on the value of the land, it isn't far from $600MM.
 
2012-12-01 01:06:51 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Also subs, the government didnt pay 600 mil for that stadium. IIRC 300 mil was put up by the ownership group. The remaining half was paid by a combination of a bond issue and tourist tax dollars. The tourist tax dollars have to be spent on something that is touristy. It cant be used for schools, social programs etc. That was always a complaint from people (why are millions of tax dollars being spent on a stadium, when Miami-Dade schools suck) well because it cant be spent on education.

Im not saying Miami didnt get fleeced by these guys in some ways, especially regarding the product that was supposed to be put on the field, But Miami didnt pay $600 mil for it either.


And this didn't turn out to be true either:

"While the Marlins argued that tourist-tax money legally can't be used for anything other than tourism projects, the way the county got these funds for the stadium in the first place was by funneling off new tax money to pay for what the tourist taxes had been previously pledged to - meaning the cost will ultimately come out of the county's general fund."

Source


/Not the subby
 
2012-12-01 01:48:19 PM

Igor Jakovsky: That will draw less fans than the marlins do. I used to live in tampa and never once did I ever hear of anyone clamoring for a soccer team. The rays cant even get anyone to go to their games despite being a pretty good team with a good front office.


I take the opposite stance, their ticket prices will probably be cheaper than those of the Marlins. That and the chance the team might be good = they could outdraw the Marlins.
 
2012-12-01 05:15:48 PM

Prey4reign: It's football you inbred Yankees!


No.
 
2012-12-01 05:17:44 PM

Devo: [i47.tinypic.com image 248x250]


This team was awesome in the early eighties.


A kick in the grass!

/goddamnit now I have that song stuck in my head. Thanks, jerk!
 
2012-12-02 12:30:29 AM
With the 20th team pretty much slated for Queens, they can't add too many more teams before the schedule's longer than the year.

Unless we're going to start relegation in MLS...... which would be OK.
 
2012-12-02 09:43:11 AM
humm, i guess its only Socialism if it helps American Citizens. when Government money goes to a sports franchise, its ok.
 
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