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(Daily Mail)   The Farm in Tennessee, America's oldest hippie commune, turns 41, is nowadays more about eco-consciousness than free love, maaaaaan   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 15
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2012-12-01 12:24:58 PM
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The Farm in Tennessee, America's oldest hippie commune, turns 41, is nowadays more about eco-consciousness than free love, maaaaaan ....

... and Rules. Holy Mother. If you crave to live where Rules rule, then move there. You Shalt Be Ruled.
2012-12-01 12:11:47 PM
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orbister:
That doesn't invalidate the idea of trying different ways of living, and many communes run very happily.

Snarky reactionaries hate alternative ideas that work more than anything.
2012-12-01 08:47:26 AM
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BronyMedic: I seem to remember from 8th Grade History class that most of these communes and "Hippy Communities" failed because they didn't take into account they were trying to recreate third world conditions in a first world country, and human nature is going to take over when people realize they're starving and living in filth, because they refused to use modern agricultural and sanitation. This was in addition to problems with the "bartering" system implemented in most to replace US Currency, and - the communes with mandatory partner-swapping and "free love", the rampant spread of untreated STDs and human nature of jealousy.


Lasting 41 years is failure in your book?
2012-12-01 06:36:27 PM
1 votes:
Typical fark thread.

THIS works for ME therefore it is right and all is good in the world. Therefore all that don't is bad.

Geez. Just let people do what they want to and let it go.

/doesn't live in a commune
//but those that choose to can
2012-12-01 02:44:51 PM
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BronyMedic: Peki: DNRTFA, but I hope someone mentions something about how only 2% of mothers transfer to the hospital for c-sections when giving birth with their midwives, and I think as of 2005 or so they'd had no maternal deaths.

Too bad we can't get that kind of rate out of our hospitals.

I'm also willing to bet they get exceptional, in-house prenatal care, and don't have the same maternal risk factors as people in large urban or very rural populations, either.

It's fallacious to compare the population of the Farm, with the population of Memphis' 38103 Zip code, for example. (Number one in infant mortality in the United States. Woohoo!)


Actually, no. While they do provide prenatal care, they accept patients from outside The Farm, and their outcome statistics include all women to receive prenatal care there even part of the time, even the ones who eventually transfer care, and their birth stats include the women who risk out. Even given that, they have a single-digit c-section rate and a 98% VBAC success rate as well. This is largely because they don't do stupid shiat like inducing for no good reason, or making women lie on their backs during labor and work against gravity. Doctors who practice similarly have similar statistics. Robert Bradley, one of the fathers of the natural childbirth movement, had only a 10% c-section rate.  (The WHO has a 15% c-section goal, whereas the overall US rate is 30%. The hospital where I just gave birth had a 75% VBAC success rate.)
2012-12-01 01:16:08 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: The Farm in Tennessee, America's oldest hippie commune, turns 41, is nowadays more about eco-consciousness than free love, maaaaaan ....

... and Rules. Holy Mother. If you crave to live where Rules rule, then move there. You Shalt Be Ruled.


you don't think you live under rules that govern every moment of your life already? Things as basic as being told when you're allowed to move based on colors hanging above the street, or dictated how you'll spend your money by proxy via taxes?

You've simply grown to ignore/accept the set of rules which govern you. They have substantially fewer there, the rules are just of a different sort which you aren't programmed to ignore.
2012-12-01 12:11:09 PM
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orbister: BronyMedic: In addition, this community didn't "last" on it's initial ideals. It adapted as it needed to survive. Most didn't.

So what? How many companies founded 41 years ago are still going? Sure, there are a lot of pitfalls for communities like The Farm, not least that of age profile; most of the founders tend to be of a similar age, which is fine until they all get to old to chop wood at the same time. That doesn't invalidate the idea of trying different ways of living, and many communes run very happily.


I never said it did. However, the one in a thousand communes that did survive the 70s do not invalidate the problems of the other hundreds of them. Many of them were based on unsurvivable idealism that would have only functioned in a society which was recovering post the downfall of organized civilization, and the "free love" communities would never have survived at all, due to purely human factors. (No one likes STDs, and no one likes their favorite girl being farked by their least-favorite person)
2012-12-01 10:43:11 AM
1 votes:
my sister teaches at a NY state school with a 60's hippie commune in their zone. i've heard all about classrooms semi full of children looking near identical who score poorly on tests. semi-idiots that don't stand a chance in life. years of free love, swapping, incest and hard core drug abuse has resulted in a fertile colony of children that are mostly left to raise them self. farking sad to see.
2012-12-01 09:32:14 AM
1 votes:
DNRTFA, but I hope someone mentions something about how only 2% of mothers transfer to the hospital for c-sections when giving birth with their midwives, and I think as of 2005 or so they'd had no maternal deaths.

Too bad we can't get that kind of rate out of our hospitals.
2012-12-01 08:55:23 AM
1 votes:

stuhayes2010: Lasting 41 years is failure in your book?


You missed the key word "most".

In addition, this community didn't "last" on it's initial ideals. It adapted as it needed to survive. Most didn't. That's like saying because Oenida became a silverware company that's existed for over 100 years, the Oneida Community was a perfect example of a planned commune.
2012-12-01 08:45:23 AM
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maggoo: So, they started all gung-ho communists and since then they realized their ideals were mostly bunk and gradually turned into a private-property-owning, free-enterprize-supporting, enterpreneur-encouraging lot? Who knew that communist utopia was a pipe dream, and communist supporters were all a bunch of useful idiots who were clueless to what they have been defending?


derp.

0.5/10 for the spittle on your lips.
2012-12-01 08:42:47 AM
1 votes:
FTA: "He recalled to ABC News: 'No one held personal money. It was all pooled."

*hurrk*

That's a society I would want no part of.

/ just thinking about that makes my skin crawl
2012-12-01 08:42:27 AM
1 votes:
So, they started all gung-ho communists and since then they realized their ideals were mostly bunk and gradually turned into a private-property-owning, free-enterprize-supporting, enterpreneur-encouraging lot? Who knew that communist utopia was a pipe dream, and communist supporters were all a bunch of useful idiots who were clueless to what they have been defending?
2012-12-01 08:30:54 AM
1 votes:
I seem to remember from 8th Grade History class that most of these communes and "Hippy Communities" failed because they didn't take into account they were trying to recreate third world conditions in a first world country, and human nature is going to take over when people realize they're starving and living in filth, because they refused to use modern agricultural and sanitation. This was in addition to problems with the "bartering" system implemented in most to replace US Currency, and - the communes with mandatory partner-swapping and "free love", the rampant spread of untreated STDs and human nature of jealousy.
2012-12-01 12:39:08 AM
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"Sisters Nadine Mundo (far left) and Rena Mundo Croshere (right) were born on The Farm"

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Faaaarm livin' is the life for me!
 
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