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(Today)   How much income do you need to be "happy"? $161,000. Unless you live in Dubai. Then it's $276,000   (lifeinc.today.com) divider line 85
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2012-11-30 09:08:17 PM  
Buys a lot of hookers and coke.
 
2012-11-30 09:15:19 PM  
I wouldn't live in that sh*thole for anything.

No alcohol, women getting arrested for showing their knees, a long prison sentence for trace amounts of pot on the bottom of your shoes, and that stupid Muslim call to prayer blaring at 5AM?

No thanks.
 
2012-11-30 09:15:56 PM  

MayoSlather: Buys a lot of hookers and coke.


Not in that country it won't.
 
2012-11-30 10:42:13 PM  
The formula for happiness includes $161,000, but it's slightly more complicated than just that amount.

(base income)+$161,000\relatives*(sex*partners\frequency*threesome)+(car\mai ntenance-gas cost)+([penis size][breast size])-debt-(vacation/work hours)+lottery winnings+(alcohol on hand\consumption)*weed
 
2012-11-30 10:49:11 PM  
I like how it says US wasn't measured. I'm guessing it was way off the charts and makes us look bad, so they left it off.
/ Not sure. I just skimmed the article. That's more than 90% of the posters on Fark...
 
2012-11-30 10:50:13 PM  
65k a year.

I'm cheap, and my little curiosities and luxuries in life are also cheap.
 
2012-11-30 10:50:35 PM  
The slave laborers in Duba i just drag down the average happiness level, the inconsiderate assholes.
 
2012-11-30 10:52:28 PM  

TommyymmoT: I wouldn't live in that sh*thole for anything.

No alcohol, women getting arrested for showing their knees, a long prison sentence for trace amounts of pot on the bottom of your shoes, and that stupid Muslim call to prayer blaring at 5AM?

No thanks.


If you had that much money they wouldn't give a shiat. One of my friends went there and drank all she wanted, you just got to know who to ask
 
2012-11-30 10:53:30 PM  
I'm pretty happy with barely over half that, but I'm sure I would be much more happy with it. At $161k (assuming this is steady, and not a one time deal) you're pretty solidly into not worrying about paying for kids' college territory.
 
2012-11-30 10:53:47 PM  
TommyymmoT
I wouldn't live in that sh*thole for anything.

No alcohol, women getting arrested for showing their knees, a long prison sentence for trace amounts of pot on the bottom of your shoes, and that stupid Muslim call to prayer blaring at 5AM?

No thanks. 


You had me at 'no alcohol'
 
2012-11-30 10:54:18 PM  

oukewldave: I like how it says US wasn't measured. I'm guessing it was way off the charts and makes us look bad, so they left it off.
/ Not sure. I just skimmed the article. That's more than 90% of the posters on Fark...


It was either really low (like $45000 since most people are poor as shiat) or it was stupidly high (like win the lotto high).
 
2012-11-30 10:54:19 PM  

oukewldave: I like how it says US wasn't measured. I'm guessing it was way off the charts and makes us look bad, so they left it off.
/ Not sure. I just skimmed the article. That's more than 90% of the posters on Fark...


What article?
 
2012-11-30 10:54:58 PM  
More. Always more.
 
2012-11-30 10:55:53 PM  

BMFPitt: I'm pretty happy with barely over half that, but I'm sure I would be much more happy with it. At $161k (assuming this is steady, and not a one time deal) you're pretty solidly into not worrying about paying for kids' college territory.


Depends on the school, and how many kids you have, and how long you have until they start.
but you are absolutely in the "paying full price" territory.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:12 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: oukewldave: I like how it says US wasn't measured. I'm guessing it was way off the charts and makes us look bad, so they left it off.
/ Not sure. I just skimmed the article. That's more than 90% of the posters on Fark...

It was either really low (like $45000 since most people are poor as shiat) or it was stupidly high (like win the lotto high).



the article has a bit on it:

Surveys show that among Americans, most say they need $1 million or more to feel wealthy.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:19 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The formula for happiness includes $161,000, but it's slightly more complicated than just that amount.

(base income)+$161,000\relatives*(sex*partners\frequency*threesome)+(car\mai ntenance-gas cost)+([penis size][breast size])-debt-(vacation/work hours)+lottery winnings+(alcohol on hand\consumption)*weed


I concur, good chap.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:21 PM  
Of course, the article contradicts itself and its headline several times.

The survey doesn't ask about total wealth needed to feel happy. But it does ask about the amount of wealth needed to feel "wealthy." Globally, the average amount needed to feel wealthy was $1.8 million.

And earlier: Rising income, it turns out, produces greater happiness until you get to around $75,000. After that, there are diminishing returns, with more income leading to little or no gain in real happiness.

So basically, money does (or does not) make you happy; although more money does (or does not) make you happier. And you need at least $75,000 (or $161,000) to feel happy (or wealthy), although more might make you happier (or wealthier) (or not). While in Dubai, $276,000 is needed to feel happy, or $2.6 million to feel wealthy--although you'll be just as happy with $75,000 either way. Or not.
 
2012-11-30 11:01:22 PM  
I'll never be happy until I have all of everyone's money.

Ever.
 
2012-11-30 11:01:43 PM  

weirdneighbour: TommyymmoT
I wouldn't live in that sh*thole for anything.

No alcohol, women getting arrested for showing their knees, a long prison sentence for trace amounts of pot on the bottom of your shoes, and that stupid Muslim call to prayer blaring at 5AM?

No thanks. 

You had me at 'no alcohol'


Alcohol is completely legal in Dubai.
 
2012-11-30 11:02:17 PM  

oukewldave: I like how it says US wasn't measured. I'm guessing it was way off the charts and makes us look bad, so they left it off.
/ Not sure. I just skimmed the article. That's more than 90% of the posters on Fark...


I make much less than 176K. I live in the US. Im happy.

Judging by my scientific survey of 1 american, it takes much less than 176K to be happy in America.

/ Its all the freedom
 
2012-11-30 11:04:11 PM  
I've always wondered is that household income? Or personal income?
As pure example: if I make $75,000 alone, does my wife's income (let's say another $75,000) not count?

Or are they trying to say that a household making $75,000 is peak happiness? Cause the average household income in the US is like $50,000. An extra $25,000/yr for the average family means peak happiness? Pardon me while I scoff so hard I scorch my throat.

In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000. To get a mortgage for that (supposing you can find a no-down payment lender, because no one can save anymore with the cost of life), you'd need an income of like $150,000 at the very least (as is my experience here in Canada, we are probably more stingy than you yanks).

An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.

What's that comment I read on here once? That study was created by the rich to make us peasants think that we don't need to strive for more?
 
2012-11-30 11:04:28 PM  

TommyymmoT: I wouldn't live in that sh*thole for anything.

No alcohol, women getting arrested for showing their knees, a long prison sentence for trace amounts of pot on the bottom of your shoes, and that stupid Muslim call to prayer blaring at 5AM?

No thanks.


Anywhere there is money, there is everything else. There is a huge expat community in Dubai where you can live as you would in the west. I was offered a job there, but passed it off to a friend who is more mobile (read no kids), and he's doing very well.

I just wouldn't want to live in a giant construction site in the desert. It's the same reason I wouldn't want to live in Vegas.
 
2012-11-30 11:05:14 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-30 11:09:10 PM  
"Happiness" is purely subjective.

It is what you perceive it to be. Nothing else,

Any attempt at third-party judgement is vain,
 
2012-11-30 11:10:09 PM  

sure haven't: In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000...An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.


I just looked up the median home price in the Chicago (my) area.

$183,000.00

You have no grasp on how most people live.
 
2012-11-30 11:11:47 PM  

jaytkay: sure haven't: In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000...An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.

I just looked up the median home price in the Chicago (my) area.

$183,000.00

You have no grasp on how most people live.



Why would anyone want to?
 
2012-11-30 11:15:07 PM  

jaytkay: sure haven't: In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000...An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.

I just looked up the median home price in the Chicago (my) area.

$183,000.00

You have no grasp on how most people live.


In the ghetto? Crackton? An old hospital wing turned into a dive house?
I said house worth living in. To me worth living in is something of quality, more importantly somewhere of quality. I also never said whether I could afford it or not. I could be as poor as anyone.
 
2012-11-30 11:15:57 PM  
In a quiet Mexican fishing village, an American who was on vacation saw a local fisherman unloading his catch. He decided to approach him.

The American asked the fisherman, "why are you finishing your day so early?"

The Mexican replied "Oh Senor, I have caught enough to feed my family and a little extra to sell for today. It is now time to go for lunch with my family and have a siesta. In the afternoon, I can play with my kids. In the evening, I will go to the cantina, drink a little tequila and play the guitar."


The business professor was horrified at the fisherman's lack of motivation to succeed. He answered, "If you stay out at sea until late afternoon, you will easily catch twice as much fish. You can sell the extra, save up the money and in six months, maybe nine, you will be able to buy a bigger and better boat, and hire some crew. Then you'll be able to buy a second fishing boat and hire another crew."

He continued, "In another year or two, you will have the capital to buy a second fishing boat and hire another crew. If you follow this business plan, in six or seven years, you will be the proud owner of a large fishing fleet."

"Just imagine that! Then you can move your head office to Mexico city, or even to L.A. After only three or four years in LA, you float your company on the stockmarket giving yourself, as CEO, a generous salary package with substantial share options. In a few more years " listen to this! " you initiate a company share buy-back scheme, which will make you a multi-millionaire! Guaranteed!"

The American got very excited at the prospect himself. He said, "I definitely know these things. I amm a well known professor at the US Business School."

The Mexican fisherman listened intently at what the animated American had to say. When the professor had finished, the Mexican asked him, "But, Senor Professor, what can a person do after getting millions of dollars?"

Now, the American professor hadn't thought that far. He was taken aback by the question.

So he quickly figured out an answer "Amigo! With all that dough, you can retire. Yeah! Retire for life! You can buy a little villa with a picturesque fishing village like this one, and purchase a small boat for going fishing in the morning, You can have lunch with your wife every day, and a siesta in the afternoon, with nothing to worry you. In the afternoon, you can spend quality time with your kids, and after dinner in the evening, play guitar with your friends in the cantina, drinking tequila. Yeah, with all the money, my friend, you can retire and take it easy."

Puzzled with the American's suggestion, the Mexican fisherman replied, "but, Senor Professor, I do that already!"
 
2012-11-30 11:19:17 PM  

jaytkay: sure haven't: In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000...An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.

I just looked up the median home price in the Chicago (my) area.

$183,000.00

You have no grasp on how most people live.


Yeah, no kidding. For a $400,000 FHA loan your salary would need to be about $95000 - $100,000.
 
2012-11-30 11:20:01 PM  

sure haven't: In the ghetto? Crackton? An old hospital wing turned into a dive house?


90% of households make less than $75,000.

Either you believe 90% of Americans live in squalid ghettos.

Or you're ignorant.

You were born well off and you have no grasp on how most people live.
 
2012-11-30 11:21:57 PM  
100k / year in the US in most cities buys you a decent house, pays your bills, lets you save, buys you modest vacations, lets you live decent and pays for college.

My survey of one person shows he has zero debt, is younger than 40, lives in the "richer neighborhood", and has substantial savings. The person aurveyed said he was prety happy and makes almost exactly that.
 
2012-11-30 11:22:34 PM  

jaytkay: sure haven't: In the ghetto? Crackton? An old hospital wing turned into a dive house?

90% of households make less than $75,000.

Either you believe 90% of Americans live in squalid ghettos.

Or you're ignorant.

You were born well off and you have no grasp on how most people live.


See that really makes me laugh. I grew up poor, the oldest of 5 kids. It sucked ass. I know exactly the realities of life.

You didn't address my followup point so I think we're done here.
 
2012-11-30 11:23:24 PM  
I was happy before that.

/still pretty happy
 
2012-11-30 11:25:20 PM  
What is the transition between communism and socialism?

Alcoholism,
 
2012-11-30 11:25:43 PM  

Amos Quito: jaytkay: sure haven't: In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000...An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.

I just looked up the median home price in the Chicago (my) area.

$183,000.00

You have no grasp on how most people live.


Why would anyone want to?


Damn straight - it's the same argument the mommy bloggers always point to. You just don't understand us. Great, they don't understand disposable income and last minute vacations. We're even.
 
2012-11-30 11:25:47 PM  
Look, the person who has $2 billion isn't happy that there are a few thousand people ahead of them making $4 billion. It's all relative.

I thought I'd read that once you get past $75K a year there was no discernible difference in happiness.
 
2012-11-30 11:27:09 PM  

sure haven't: I've always wondered is that household income? Or personal income?
As pure example: if I make $75,000 alone, does my wife's income (let's say another $75,000) not count?


I've always wanted an age breakdown.

75k right out of college is very different from 75k just before you retire after decades of slow raises.
 
2012-11-30 11:28:52 PM  

12349876: sure haven't: I've always wondered is that household income? Or personal income?
As pure example: if I make $75,000 alone, does my wife's income (let's say another $75,000) not count?

I've always wanted an age breakdown.

75k right out of college is very different from 75k just before you retire after decades of slow raises.


Geez yeah that too, age never occurred to me. And you're right, huge difference.
 
2012-11-30 11:33:53 PM  

12349876: 75k right out of college is very different from 75k just before you retire after decades of slow raises.


Old people may have no mortgage and no dependents..
 
Slu
2012-11-30 11:34:45 PM  
With bonus next year, I hope to get to optimal happiness!

/banker
 
2012-11-30 11:36:04 PM  

jaytkay: 12349876: 75k right out of college is very different from 75k just before you retire after decades of slow raises.

Old people may have no mortgage and no dependents..


Yeah but if you're at 75K right out of college you'll be at 500K by the time you have no mortgage or dependents. Now, will the college grads be getting $500K by then?
 
2012-11-30 11:36:04 PM  
If I pulled $75k a year that'd be damn nice.
 
2012-11-30 11:36:45 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Amos Quito: jaytkay: sure haven't: In any major city, a house worth living in is like at least $400,000...An income of $75,000 alone or household would get you just barely above the poverty line in most major cities in North American.

I just looked up the median home price in the Chicago (my) area.

$183,000.00

You have no grasp on how most people live.


Why would anyone want to?


Damn straight - it's the same argument the mommy bloggers always point to. You just don't understand us. Great, they don't understand disposable income and last minute vacations. We're even.



Exactly.
 
2012-11-30 11:54:59 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: oukewldave: I like how it says US wasn't measured. I'm guessing it was way off the charts and makes us look bad, so they left it off.
/ Not sure. I just skimmed the article. That's more than 90% of the posters on Fark...

It was either really low (like $45000 since most people are poor as shiat) or it was stupidly high (like win the lotto high).


I understand that it is about $75K.
 
2012-12-01 12:00:57 AM  
wife and I combined broke 6 figures a few years ago. It seems like we should feel less pressure, but we don't. granted, san diego isn't cheap, but making 5 times as much as my single mom should seem like life is good.

of course, we still have student loans to pay, and the mortgage. also, my son will not have any college debt, which makes me proud.

happiness level is high. comfort level and security rating would be mid-grade.

I always though 100k was the magic number to "all the bills are paid and we can go do the fun stuff" level. turns out I was wrong.

/Back to work
 
2012-12-01 12:01:19 AM  
 
2012-12-01 12:09:50 AM  
The answer is more. The answer is always more.
 
2012-12-01 12:10:32 AM  

tj614zu: wife and I combined broke 6 figures a few years ago. It seems like we should feel less pressure, but we don't. granted, san diego isn't cheap, but making 5 times as much as my single mom should seem like life is good.

of course, we still have student loans to pay, and the mortgage. also, my son will not have any college debt, which makes me proud.

happiness level is high. comfort level and security rating would be mid-grade.

I always though 100k was the magic number to "all the bills are paid and we can go do the fun stuff" level. turns out I was wrong.

/Back to work


Careful, there's a guy in here that'll tell you you're clueless as to how the majority of people live and that you're a horrible human being.
 
2012-12-01 12:18:33 AM  

sure haven't: Careful, there's a guy in here that'll tell you you're clueless as to how the majority of people live and that you're a horrible human being.


Careful there's a guy here who believes only the top 10% can possibly be happy and everybody else lives in the ghetto.
 
2012-12-01 12:28:28 AM  

Granny_Panties: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x400]


I'd settle for:

aleheads.files.wordpress.com

It makes me happy.
 
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