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(PopCrush Albany)   So you say your house burnt down just in time for the holidays and you have nothing left? Hmmm Awkward. Here's a water bill for the hydrant the fire dept used to water down the leftover debris once known as your home and stuff. Ok-thanks-bye   (popcrush1057.com) divider line 101
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2012-11-30 08:35:41 PM  
I would think towns have agreements to cover this sort of situation. Even if they didn't, it would take a pretty big asshole to send the bill, next time the roles might be reversed.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-30 08:40:14 PM  
Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes and is considered a basic government service. Cities can't even charge higher taxes for people with harder-to-extinguish buildings.
 
2012-11-30 08:43:03 PM  
Why not add in wear and tear on the uniforms, gas for the engine, helmet polish, and dalmatian paw salve while you're at it? Commit to your douchebaggery--make me believe it.
 
2012-11-30 08:51:46 PM  

Thank you for voting!

Yes, something in their home caused the fire, they should be held responsible. 0%

Are you kidding? They just lost everything! Send back the bill. 100%



HA HA HA
 
2012-11-30 09:11:37 PM  
A. DOOOUCHE!!!

www.dvorak.org

Q. What sound does Poestenkill water make when it hits hot ashes?
 
2012-11-30 09:12:45 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: Why not add in wear and tear on the uniforms, gas for the engine, helmet polish, and dalmatian paw salve while you're at it? Commit to your douchebaggery--make me believe it.


An oxygen tax, too.

Don't forget an oxygen tax!
 
2012-11-30 09:12:58 PM  

ZAZ: Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes and is considered a basic government service. Cities can't even charge higher taxes for people with harder-to-extinguish buildings.


As I pointed out in another thread, 70% of all fire departments in the US are volunteer. That means you pay if you have a fire. And if you use another county's water to fight a fire, you have to pay that county for it.

This is what services actually cost, which is why the people in the story are being billed. Some people don't understand that services cost money, just:

Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes

That about sums it up. "Free" and "paid for by taxes" are interchangeable to the this mindset.
 
2012-11-30 10:00:03 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: Why not add in wear and tear on the uniforms, gas for the engine, helmet polish, and dalmatian paw salve while you're at it? Commit to your douchebaggery--make me believe it.


Well, you made me believe you didn't RTFA
 
2012-11-30 10:05:54 PM  
This is what happens to ormal people.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:43 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: trivial use of my dark powers: Why not add in wear and tear on the uniforms, gas for the engine, helmet polish, and dalmatian paw salve while you're at it? Commit to your douchebaggery--make me believe it.

An oxygen tax, too.

Don't forget an oxygen tax!


Well since it's an area covered by a volunteer fire department, it most likely means that they may very well have not ever paid any taxes to support the volunteer fire department
 
2012-11-30 10:16:40 PM  

EvilEgg: I would think towns have agreements to cover this sort of situation.


If they did, it was almost certainty a victim of budget cuts demands.
 
2012-11-30 11:07:37 PM  
Makes me wonder - if you get into a car accident in this town, and they need to use water to put out a fire involving your car, are you billed? While there is a cost to the water there is also a thing called common sense and decency. Sometimes it's best to 'let things go' like a bill for water after a family lost everything. Last I checked that was called being a good neighbor.
 
2012-12-01 12:18:08 AM  

bryen: Makes me wonder - if you get into a car accident in this town, and they need to use water to put out a fire involving your car, are you billed? While there is a cost to the water there is also a thing called common sense and decency. Sometimes it's best to 'let things go' like a bill for water after a family lost everything. Last I checked that was called being a good neighbor.



You sound nostalgic.


/I has a sad now
 
2012-12-01 12:22:16 AM  

Amos Quito: You sound nostalgic.


/I has a sad now


I'm good that that, apparently
 
2012-12-01 12:24:01 AM  
The local city gummint is running short of cash, like most tax-supported bureaucracies.
This is an opportunity to try to gouge a citizen.
Opportunistic bureaucracy does what it does best.
QED
 
2012-12-01 12:42:36 AM  
Funny, how people scream and moan that they want smaller government, without really putting too much thought into exactly what it is that government spends all that tax money on, and how things might change when they have to pick up the tab individually, rather than as a community.
 
2012-12-01 01:16:25 AM  
Good, those farkers shouldn't have let their house catch fire
 
2012-12-01 01:17:10 AM  
So tax dollars go where?
 
2012-12-01 01:17:43 AM  

MisterTweak: Funny, how people scream and moan that they want smaller government, without really putting too much thought into exactly what it is that government spends all that tax money on, and how things might change when they have to pick up the tab individually, rather than as a community.


Most objections to small government have to do with the expansion of federal powers worldwide, not local fire services.
 
2012-12-01 01:18:21 AM  
Send the town the house burned down in the bill
 
2012-12-01 01:19:50 AM  

Jesda: Most objections to small government have to do with the expansion of federal powers worldwide, not local fire services.


Bullshiat. You've never been to a town council meeting.
 
2012-12-01 01:23:57 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Well since it's an area covered by a volunteer fire department, it most likely means that they may very well have not ever paid any taxes to support the volunteer fire department


A volunteer Fire department in my area means that the firefighters are not paid a salary/wage. However, the residents are taxed for: The building, the equipment, the overhead, the kegs of beer,the firefighters pensions, the firefighter's discount on property taxes, EMS/ambulatory services, conventions in Vegas, training and other miscellaneous expenditures.
 
2012-12-01 01:24:37 AM  
Wait until they get the bill from the Red Cross for the sandwiches, coffee, blankets and hotel room.
 
2012-12-01 01:25:18 AM  

Lsherm: ZAZ: Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes and is considered a basic government service. Cities can't even charge higher taxes for people with harder-to-extinguish buildings.

As I pointed out in another thread, 70% of all fire departments in the US are volunteer. That means you pay if you have a fire. And if you use another county's water to fight a fire, you have to pay that county for it.

This is what services actually cost, which is why the people in the story are being billed. Some people don't understand that services cost money, just:

Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes

That about sums it up. "Free" and "paid for by taxes" are interchangeable to the this mindset.


The problem is that you aren't putting the fire out for you, after all his house burned down, you are putting it out for everyone else. Rare is the case the fire department can get to a house fire quick enough to save much. Any fire that needs the department is likely to get real big, real fast, and water damage is not trivial. However, if you ignore the fire, well, just ask London about what happened in 1666. You can have a whole damn city burn down.

So the home owner could have ignored it, not called 911, said "Well, insurance will cover it, I don't want to pay for the water." Then as the fire spread, the town would get to pay for a whole lot more water as their shiat started catching on fire.

Fire service is the kind of thing you really have to be willing to publicly fund because it isn't the person who's place is on fire that has the issue, it is everyone else around them. If my place catches fire, my insurance company is paying out my coverage pretty much no matter what. A fire would spread quick in my house, and the fire department does not spare on the water putting shiat out. That's not why I'd call them, I'd call them because I'd rather not see my neighbourhood burned to the ground.

Same reason I'll call them if I see another house on fire. I won't say "Oh well, not my house, not my problem." Hell no, I want that shiat out before it IS my problem.
 
2012-12-01 01:26:23 AM  

bubo_sibiricus: Bullshiat. You've never been to a town council meeting


THIS
 
2012-12-01 01:27:52 AM  
Market-bases solutions are always best.

When a fire envelopes your home, you should have the freedom to carefully choose who fights the fire.

The cost of water is only one of several factors to consider in the negotiations.
 
2012-12-01 01:29:51 AM  
FTFA: "Thomas Martin, the Fire Chief of Eagle Mills, hopes this is not going to become a reoccurring issue. Martin along with the rest of the Eagle Mills Fire District will be holding a pancake breakfast this Saturday morning, December 2nd, to raise money for the Pretio family to help pay off this unfair bill. All proceeds will go right towards the bill."

The city government may be douchebags, but the firefighters are class acts.
 
2012-12-01 01:30:21 AM  

sycraft: Lsherm: ZAZ: Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes and is considered a basic government service. Cities can't even charge higher taxes for people with harder-to-extinguish buildings.

As I pointed out in another thread, 70% of all fire departments in the US are volunteer. That means you pay if you have a fire. And if you use another county's water to fight a fire, you have to pay that county for it.

This is what services actually cost, which is why the people in the story are being billed. Some people don't understand that services cost money, just:

Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes

That about sums it up. "Free" and "paid for by taxes" are interchangeable to the this mindset.

The problem is that you aren't putting the fire out for you, after all his house burned down, you are putting it out for everyone else. Rare is the case the fire department can get to a house fire quick enough to save much. Any fire that needs the department is likely to get real big, real fast, and water damage is not trivial. However, if you ignore the fire, well, just ask London about what happened in 1666. You can have a whole damn city burn down.

So the home owner could have ignored it, not called 911, said "Well, insurance will cover it, I don't want to pay for the water." Then as the fire spread, the town would get to pay for a whole lot more water as their shiat started catching on fire.

Fire service is the kind of thing you really have to be willing to publicly fund because it isn't the person who's place is on fire that has the issue, it is everyone else around them. If my place catches fire, my insurance company is paying out my coverage pretty much no matter what. A fire would spread quick in my house, and the fire department does not spare on the water putting shiat out. That's not why I'd call them, I'd call them because I'd rather not see my neig ...


Tell that to the tea party and the libertarians
 
2012-12-01 01:31:51 AM  
We had a house fire when I was a kid. My parents got a water bill that was in the thousands of dollars for the water the fire department used to put out the fire. I guess water ain't free.
 
2012-12-01 01:35:09 AM  

sycraft: The problem is that you aren't putting the fire out for you, after all his house burned down, you are putting it out for everyone else.


This right here.
 
2012-12-01 01:35:17 AM  
"You know all that sh*t that people pay taxes for?"

"Yeah."

"Let's bill them for it anyhoo."

"Brilliant."
 
2012-12-01 01:37:08 AM  
oooh, I get to tell my BSB again!

So, I get a call from the water company. I've used 20,000 gallons more than usual this month.

I spend five minutes alternatively pleading and threatening about how this is all a mistake, this can't be right, it must be somewhere in the pipe to the house (it wasn't), etc.

When I stopped for air, the lady on the other end said in a bored tone "It's twenty bucks".

I paid it.

$1400 water bill? How many millions of gallons did they use?
 
2012-12-01 01:39:02 AM  
How do yo bill a person for water that didn't go through there meter?
 
2012-12-01 01:44:28 AM  
Go ahead. "free market" and tax cut your way out of using emergency services.
 
2012-12-01 01:48:13 AM  
In some rural areas (and I do not know if this is one of them) residents do not pay the same taxes as the in-town folk. That being the case, they also do not enjoy the same benefits. Again, I do not know if this applies in this particular case, I'm just sayin'...
 
2012-12-01 01:50:18 AM  

fusillade762: sycraft: The problem is that you aren't putting the fire out for you, after all his house burned down, you are putting it out for everyone else.

This right here.


Bill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!
 
2012-12-01 01:50:51 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: How do yo bill a person for water that didn't go through there meter?


The truck is equipped with a meter, perhaps?

/that's actually a question. i really don't know
 
2012-12-01 02:00:40 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: trivial use of my dark powers: Why not add in wear and tear on the uniforms, gas for the engine, helmet polish, and dalmatian paw salve while you're at it? Commit to your douchebaggery--make me believe it.

An oxygen tax, too.

Don't forget an oxygen tax!

Well since it's an area covered by a volunteer fire department, it most likely means that they may very well have not ever paid any taxes to support the volunteer fire department


RTFA
 
2012-12-01 02:02:06 AM  

Lsherm:
As I pointed out in another thread, 70% of all fire departments in the US are volunteer. That means you pay if you have a fire. [...] That about sums it up. "Free" and "paid for by taxes" are interchangeable to the this mindset.


There's apparently a mindset which thinks "volunteer" and "you pay" are interchangeable too.
 
2012-12-01 02:02:27 AM  
What are they gonna do, put a lien on my smoldering pile of a house? I wouldn't even consider paying.
 
2012-12-01 02:03:20 AM  
Let the tucker burn then take out the whole neighborhood tuck it. Let the neighbors think about that. Republican stupid.
 
2012-12-01 02:03:51 AM  
Wouldn't homeowner's insurance cover that sort of thing?

And I'm totally familiar with bogus fees. I just got a fire protection fee. "We're compensating for budget cuts." What cut? I didn't cut your budget. My property tax went up. Just another illegal tax increase. They think because they call it a fee instead of a tax, everything's cool. I'd treat it like the Adventure Pass bullshiat but failing to pay this new, illegal tax would have significant consequences. All I can do is gripe about it.
 
2012-12-01 02:04:35 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club:

$1400 water bill? How many millions of gallons did they use?


"Poestenkill buys its water at a rate of $4.35 per thousand gallons... firefighters used 73,000 gallons of Poestenkill's water..." So, $317.55 worth of water.

It's the shipping and handling charges that got him. Link

"Water is pumped into large holding tanks and then pumped up a hill as crews battled a house fire on Garfield Road on Monday, Nov. 26, 2012 in Eagle Mills, N.Y. Because of a lack of water at the scene, water had to be trucked in."

ww1.hdnux.com
 
2012-12-01 02:05:11 AM  

Lsherm: ZAZ: Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes and is considered a basic government service. Cities can't even charge higher taxes for people with harder-to-extinguish buildings.

As I pointed out in another thread, 70% of all fire departments in the US are volunteer. That means you pay if you have a fire. And if you use another county's water to fight a fire, you have to pay that county for it.

This is what services actually cost, which is why the people in the story are being billed. Some people don't understand that services cost money, just:

Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes

That about sums it up. "Free" and "paid for by taxes" are interchangeable to the this mindset.


They lost every thing the water was to protect the neighbors, damn republitards
 
2012-12-01 02:10:55 AM  

bryen: Makes me wonder - if you get into a car accident in this town, and they need to use water to put out a fire involving your car, are you billed?


Depending on the town, you might also have to pay for the firefighters, the engines, the hoses, etc. But regardless of the actual charges, these are almost always picked up by the insurance company.

The only difference here is the guy either didn't have insurance, or he decided to go full-wharrgarbl in an attempt to get free money donations.
 
2012-12-01 02:11:49 AM  

sycraft: Lsherm: ZAZ: Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes and is considered a basic government service. Cities can't even charge higher taxes for people with harder-to-extinguish buildings.

As I pointed out in another thread, 70% of all fire departments in the US are volunteer. That means you pay if you have a fire. And if you use another county's water to fight a fire, you have to pay that county for it.

This is what services actually cost, which is why the people in the story are being billed. Some people don't understand that services cost money, just:

Emergency services are supposed to be free where I live. The fire department is paid for by taxes

That about sums it up. "Free" and "paid for by taxes" are interchangeable to the this mindset.

The problem is that you aren't putting the fire out for you, after all his house burned down, you are putting it out for everyone else. Rare is the case the fire department can get to a house fire quick enough to save much. Any fire that needs the department is likely to get real big, real fast, and water damage is not trivial. However, if you ignore the fire, well, just ask London about what happened in 1666. You can have a whole damn city burn down.

So the home owner could have ignored it, not called 911, said "Well, insurance will cover it, I don't want to pay for the water." Then as the fire spread, the town would get to pay for a whole lot more water as their shiat started catching on fire.

Fire service is the kind of thing you really have to be willing to publicly fund because it isn't the person who's place is on fire that has the issue, it is everyone else around them. If my place catches fire, my insurance company is paying out my coverage pretty much no matter what. A fire would spread quick in my house, and the fire department does not spare on the water putting shiat out. That's not why I'd call them, I'd call them because I'd rather not see my neighbourhood burned to the ground.

Same reason I'll call them if I see another house on fire. I won't say "Oh well, not my house, not my problem." Hell no, I want that shiat out before it IS my problem.


Tips hat to your curtious and correct reply, I just hate republitard stupid and refuse to show them the courtesy of a thoughtfull reply at this point
 
2012-12-01 02:17:19 AM  
Blue state taxes. But taxes are good!
 
2012-12-01 02:21:05 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: trivial use of my dark powers: Why not add in wear and tear on the uniforms, gas for the engine, helmet polish, and dalmatian paw salve while you're at it? Commit to your douchebaggery--make me believe it.

An oxygen tax, too.

Don't forget an oxygen tax!


OXYGEN tax? Carbon tax, I say! Think of all the carbon released into the atmosphere because of their fire.
 
2012-12-01 02:22:03 AM  
Amazing how many people either did not read the article or simply did not understand it. The bill was NOT from the village where the person lived. It was from the neighboring village.
 
2012-12-01 02:22:12 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: It's the shipping and handling charges that got him. Link


Oooh, that link was very informative.

The firefighters got their water from a hydrant located in a different city than the house that was on fire. No wonder the homeowners got a bill.
 
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