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(Vancouver Sun)   The Canadian government is starting to collect data on millions of people illegally downloading pirated content. Good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies, eh   (vancouversun.com) divider line 99
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2012-11-30 05:59:48 PM

Rezurok: MadMattressMack: Rezurok: BgJonson79:
Just getting a decent blocklist for peer IPs that are known copyright trolls works well enough, in my experience. And by my experience I mean from what I've heard, obviously.

That won't work. It's way to easy to grab the same IP information from another source IP. I run Peer Block, but I only expect that it keeps idiot copyright trolls at bay.


I don't claim it to be fool proof by any means, but it's better than nothing. They tend to go after the multitudes of easy targets, so it doesn't take much effort to stay out of their sights.


True. You don't have to be the lowest blade of grass, just low enough to not get caught by the lawn mower.
 
2012-11-30 06:09:50 PM
Is this the thread where thieves try to convince others that what they're doing is perfectly acceptable because "they didn't steal anything, just copy a file"?

Here's the deal : Stop trying to rationalize it if you steal music. Anybody past the age of 14 should understand that even if you're not stealing a physical CD, you're costing that company money and stealing services and licensed .So either be honest, and just say you don't want to pay for it and face the threat of legal consequences, or don't download it in the first place. In a world with iTunes, rhapsody, etc, there's absolutely no excuse left (even not wanting to buy the whole album)
 
2012-11-30 06:13:44 PM

ModernLuddite: http://www.nfb.ca/


STOP SHAKING YOUR EYES!
 
2012-11-30 06:20:32 PM

Somaticasual: Is this the thread where thieves try to convince others that what they're doing is perfectly acceptable because "they didn't steal anything, just copy a file"?

Here's the deal : Stop trying to rationalize it if you steal music. Anybody past the age of 14 should understand that even if you're not stealing a physical CD, you're costing that company money and stealing services and licensed .So either be honest, and just say you don't want to pay for it and face the threat of legal consequences, or don't download it in the first place. In a world with iTunes, rhapsody, etc, there's absolutely no excuse left (even not wanting to buy the whole album)


WOT??
 
2012-11-30 06:32:28 PM
Came for farkers trying to shoehorn physical goods morality onto no physical things, leaving happy.
 
2012-11-30 06:35:36 PM

mcreadyblue: Somaticasual: Is this the thread where thieves try to convince others that what they're doing is perfectly acceptable because "they didn't steal anything, just copy a file"?

Here's the deal : Stop trying to rationalize it if you steal music. Anybody past the age of 14 should understand that even if you're not stealing a physical CD, you're costing that company money and stealing services and licensed .So either be honest, and just say you don't want to pay for it and face the threat of legal consequences, or don't download it in the first place. In a world with iTunes, rhapsody, etc, there's absolutely no excuse left (even not wanting to buy the whole album)

WOT??


Now look here, buddy...
 
2012-11-30 06:40:41 PM

Somaticasual: Is this the thread where thieves try to convince others that what they're doing is perfectly acceptable because "they didn't steal anything, just copy a file"?

Here's the deal : Stop trying to rationalize it if you steal music. Anybody past the age of 14 should understand that even if you're not stealing a physical CD, you're costing that company money and stealing services and licensed .So either be honest, and just say you don't want to pay for it and face the threat of legal consequences, or don't download it in the first place. In a world with iTunes, rhapsody, etc, there's absolutely no excuse left (even not wanting to buy the whole album)


Yes just as it is illegal for me to rip a CD I legally purchased onto my computer, and or transfer/copy my vinyl collection into a digital format. I have to purchase another license from the owner to pay someone else a premium to do something I myself can do at no cost... Sounds legit.
 
2012-11-30 06:42:58 PM

DerpHerder: Yes just as it is illegal for me to rip a CD I legally purchased onto my computer, and or transfer/copy my vinyl collection into a digital format. I have to purchase another license from the owner to pay someone else a premium to do something I myself can do at no cost... Sounds legit.


You know I've never heard of anyone being sued for doing that, only for downloading things without any intention of compensating the creator and/or rights holder of the content.
 
2012-11-30 06:52:31 PM
So if you download a car, max you have to pay is $5K. Pretty decent price for a late model sedan or SUV.

/I only download the popular stuff
 
2012-11-30 07:21:58 PM

DerpHerder: Yes just as it is illegal for me to rip a CD I legally purchased onto my computer, and or transfer/copy my vinyl collection into a digital format. I have to purchase another license from the owner to pay someone else a premium to do something I myself can do at no cost... Sounds legit.


Actually that's not even cut-and-dry illegal, which is why I specifically omitted it. Lawyers for both MGM and the RIAA have both said that it's not clearly illegal (or legal, however), and note that no prosecutions have gone after that alone. And, from an ethical standpoint, it's miles ahead of the person that goes on a torrent site and downloads a song they know they don't own any rights to nor have any expectation of downloading legally. You bought the original media, so you didn't just take someone's potential food off their plate.

The wiki on ripping even comes up with this quote:

MGM attorney Don Verrilli (later appointed United States Solicitor General by the Obama administration), stated: "And let me clarify something I think is unclear from the amicus briefs. The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and it's been on their Website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it onto your iPod. There is a very, very significant lawful commercial use for that device, going forward." - From Wikipedia
 
2012-11-30 07:24:52 PM

Zaltec: Tried to post this a few days ago, apparently the mods didn't think I was funny enough, or they don't care about the Canadian farkers...

Why Liability Is Limited: A Primer on New Copyright Damages as File Sharing Lawsuits Head To Canada

Very interesting read which references the new lawsuits, the new changes to the Canadian copyright law, potential damages, etc.. maybe a bit dry, but essential reading for any would-be pirates out there


Wow. Thanks for that. So in a nutshell, if it's noncommercial violation, it would be $5000 and the rightsholder would have to prove it in court, which is barely worth their time in legal costs.

Commercial violations are still up to $20k per violation. This is as it should be, since I don't think anyone wants to encourage systemic piracy like there is in Hong Kong or Mexico or a million other places.

After reading, I like the terms of the new act. I feel comfortable downloading with continued impunity.
 
2012-11-30 07:25:03 PM
I think Saga, Aldo Nova and Chilliwack should be damn grateful ANYBODY is downloading their tunes.
 
2012-11-30 07:56:48 PM

mongbiohazard: Renegade Pervert: mongbiohazard: Renegade Pervert: So can someone clear this up for me.

This law should only affect Canadian IP violations right? If I download Iron Man they can stuff it?

Sign up for this: www.btguard.com
...and never worry about it again. My IP addresses show as me being in Germany, Switzerland, etc.....

Good to know, I use peerblocker religiously, not sure how much it is shielding me.

But I am curious if this bill will allow them to prosecute for infringing on other countries copyright.

I used to use Peerblocker religiously too... until I got a letter about that open torrent of the season 3 finale of Community I had going.

Peerblocker is better than nothing, and that's about it. Your IP can still be seen even if Peerbocker is running. It just thins the herd a touch. Switch to a seedbox or proxy service. The cost is negligible but the safety is priceless.... literally so in the US where our damages aren't capped!


Good to know! We don't get letters here, yet. The cap on the damages is a nice surprise, I can't see many of them actually being 5K and rather the court dropping that to next to nothing.

Anyways thanks for the BTGuard pointer, will look at that a lot harder once they start following through on this law
 
2012-11-30 08:05:26 PM
Too bad an IP does not identify the particular user. Case law would assume that a notice would be sent to the perps IP address for the perp to confess, in order for punishment to be dealt out. If no one confesses, then the case is thrown out for lack of evidence of the actual perp.
Next stage after the dismissal would be an attempt to get a warrant for search of the IP's address, providing there is enough evidence to pinpoint a particular computer at that IP... As WiFi hacking is quite popular with the kids today.

////Extortion is still illegal in Canada.
/An ISP giving out your private details without an explicit personal court order that identifies your particular subscribed IP, plus the particular crime, plus details on the exact time, without you being classified as a gang member(you don't know the other down-loaders) is so messy when it comes down to it.
///Break the law and the copyright mafia as the victims can call the cops for restitution and the cops will tell them to fark off anyways.

/In court you can point out the theft of billions of dollars from Canadian artists by the copyright mafia(unauthorized recompilations of works), that was never actually punished, other than a small settlement that was about $60 million instead of $6 billion.
 
2012-11-30 08:06:49 PM
7 proxies? Pfft, try out Tor. You're kinda behind thousands of proxies that way. But you don't run into that annoying exponential problem with many proxies.

Rahsa Naba Doe-ah Gola Wookiee Nipple Pinchy: slayer199: /solved that problem by moving to a dutch usenet provider with SSL

XSUsenet by any chance?


Ooooooo I'm so tech savy I use SSL and download from usenet. They'll neeeeeever find me.
 
2012-11-30 08:12:26 PM
meh pirating of this kind existed before the internet and will continue in some form no matter what is done to stop it.
 
2012-11-30 08:15:55 PM
How much piracy is because you can't get the farking program or movie where you live?

There's all sorts of stuff around the world you can't get except by piracy, mainly because corporations are silly. There's stuff I'd love to buy on iTunes or Amazon's streaming service but it's just not there. Make it fairly cheap and easy to obtain and most pirated materials wouldn't be pirated. Those services are much better than bit-torrent because I could get a very consistent and high quality product.
 
2012-11-30 08:17:19 PM

Renegade Pervert: Good to know! We don't get letters here, yet.


Actually we do. Some friends of mine have received a couple of them. I think the first one I heard of was a few years ago. Recently a letter was sent to a friend who said he downloaded a game, which took a couple of hours, and when it was finished he immediately deleted the file from his client and closed the program. Clearly someone was actively watching that torrent.

theborg1of4: I don't understand. If I was using bittorrent to download content from the internet - and I'm not saying I am, this is just a hypothetical scenario - have I as a Canadian not already implicitly paid for it?


I don't think so. From the article you linked: "Canada's current private copying levies are as follows: $0.24 per unit for Audio Cassette tape (40min or longer), and $0.29 per unit for CD-R, CD-RW, CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio and MiniDisc." No mention of HDDs.
 
2012-11-30 08:28:02 PM
You don't even need proxies. I've been doing some wardriving out of curiosity. It's amazing how many open WiFi networks are out there. I average 3 or 4 per block, and that's with an unassisted Android phone. With a higher gain antenna I'm sure the count would be even higher.
 
2012-11-30 08:50:42 PM

jjorsett: You don't even need proxies. I've been doing some wardriving out of curiosity. It's amazing how many open WiFi networks are out there. I average 3 or 4 per block, and that's with an unassisted Android phone. With a higher gain antenna I'm sure the count would be even higher.


Uh yeah...don't listen to this guy. You're implying anonymity........with an Android phone.
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O_o

I was gonna mention something about MAC addresses when at first I thought you were talking about using a network card, but if you're gonna use a phone for this purpose, you're a sitting duck.
 
2012-11-30 08:57:03 PM
 
2012-11-30 08:57:18 PM
Does anyone actually think that downloading copyrighted content without paying for it is "OK"?

If so, why?
 
2012-11-30 09:09:13 PM

Somaticasual: Is this the thread where thieves try to convince others that what they're doing is perfectly acceptable because "they didn't steal anything, just copy a file"?

Here's the deal : Stop trying to rationalize it if you steal music. Anybody past the age of 14 should understand that even if you're not stealing a physical CD, you're costing that company money and stealing services and licensed .So either be honest, and just say you don't want to pay for it and face the threat of legal consequences, or don't download it in the first place. In a world with iTunes, rhapsody, etc, there's absolutely no excuse left (even not wanting to buy the whole album)


No, it's the thread where I tell you I just don't care. You can go ahead and feel superior to me, if you'd like.
 
2012-11-30 09:42:18 PM
I can't say I have a horse in this race, but I do remember hitting Napster like a fiend when it first came out. I had no issues pinching Beatles & Stones - stuff I had purchased previously on vinyl and/or cassette, but I had a change of conscience when I saw a track from a poor, local up 'n coming singer appear. I pay for my entertainment, unless I'm tripping a guy on crutches in the street - that's still free.
 
2012-11-30 09:57:00 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Can any of you kindly Farkers please explain to me the legal differences and ramifications between downloading movies and simply streaming them without downloading. I've tried Google, but I keep getting a lot of conflicting information.


Copyright is a piece of property ownership. The owner has a certain set of rights that can be legally distributed under transactions (contracts). Streaming is just one way of exercising IP owner rights and distributing content. On the other hand, by downloading a file from random users over things like bit torrent or usenet, no contract has been established between users and the legal owner of the property (the 'thing' owned isn't the video, but the rights to distribution).

In a legal sense, streaming is the same as a file download because the content is still being distributed in some form. It's illegal when the distribution happens in violation of the owner's right to establish a contract with the users. People who upload videos to youtube for which they own no distribution rights are distributing the video without having been granted the legal rights to do so. They are breaking the law in the same way as someone who uploads a file of that same video to a place that other people have access.

Most people don't realize that streamed video can be captured (the data gets to your computer same as downloading - it's just automatedly played in a browser instead of being written to a file). I guess the media execs aren't quite as worried about streaming video because most people are too dumb too realize that streamed video can be captured into a file, more or less the same as any download. It just takes a little more work.

*phew*
Well that touches on a few points of copyright laws. It's complicated shiat especially when technology invents new distribution platforms at a nonstop pace. For better or worse, these laws are also not nearly perfect.
 
2012-11-30 10:01:47 PM

WhippingBoy: Does anyone actually think that downloading copyrighted content without paying for it is "OK"?

If so, why?


The favorite excuse of a co-worker is: $12.50 movie ticket, $8 popcorn, $5.00 soda. DVDs cost less than that. MPAA can kiss my @$$
 
2012-11-30 10:05:49 PM
I don't normally download movies/tv/etc, but I've sure been glad a could a couple of times. For example, when my DVR's hard drive croaked I was screwed, so I didn't feel the least bit bad about downloading the shows I lost, and couldn't legally stream, since I'm paying for sat service. That may be meaningless to a court or whatever, but I couldn't care less.
 
2012-11-30 10:39:11 PM

torusXL: jjorsett: You don't even need proxies. I've been doing some wardriving out of curiosity. It's amazing how many open WiFi networks are out there. I average 3 or 4 per block, and that's with an unassisted Android phone. With a higher gain antenna I'm sure the count would be even higher.

Uh yeah...don't listen to this guy. You're implying anonymity........with an Android phone.
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....
....
O_o

I was gonna mention something about MAC addresses when at first I thought you were talking about using a network card, but if you're gonna use a phone for this purpose, you're a sitting duck.


Do I really need to point out that I said the Android phone is for a wardriving survey, and that I didn't suggest using it to actually access the network? I guess I do, since you've gotten the wrong message. And yes, I'm aware of MAC addresses and how to change them, given the right WiFi hardware. I'm not planning on doing that, since it's a dick move to incriminate some poor schmuck whose only offense was to leave his WiFi open. I hope anyone who does really does that uses his personal phone for it, since that will make the idiot much easier to trace.
 
2012-11-30 10:52:14 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Can any of you kindly Farkers please explain to me the legal differences and ramifications between downloading movies and simply streaming them without downloading. I've tried Google, but I keep getting a lot of conflicting information.

/Help me out and I'll name my first born after you.
//Bevets need not apply.

This applies to U. S. law:

Is watching streaming movies illegal?

There is currently no definitive answer to this question. Depending on the site and file type, online streaming may create a full-length temporary copy of the movie on your computer. Alternatively, the program may delete the data as you watch.

Some courts have held that even temporary copies may violate the law. However, the Copyright Office contends there is no violation when "a reproduction manifests itself so fleetingly that it cannot be copied, perceived or communicated."

Though the law is unclear, it is useful to note that owners, such as the MPAA, rarely go after individuals who watch streaming movies. Illegal or not, it's much more difficult to track these users down. Unlike BitTorrent downloads, the MPAA can't just sign into a program and snag IP addresses.


/Thanks. I owe you one coldski.
//Also, my son will be called "BarkingUnicorn Love Slave."
///Catchy, huh?
 
2012-11-30 11:22:12 PM

jjorsett: Do I really need to point out that I said the Android phone is for a wardriving survey, and that I didn't suggest using it to actually access the network? I guess I do, since you've gotten the wrong message. And yes, I'm aware of MAC addresses and how to change them, given the right WiFi hardware. I'm not planning on doing that, since it's a dick move to incriminate some poor schmuck whose only offense was to leave his WiFi open. I hope anyone who does really does that uses his personal phone for it, since that will make the idiot much easier to trace.


Shhhh, it's OK, jjorsett. I believe it that you know what you're doing. I really do.
 
2012-12-01 12:28:50 AM

lifeform3: Renegade Pervert: Good to know! We don't get letters here, yet.

Actually we do. Some friends of mine have received a couple of them. I think the first one I heard of was a few years ago. Recently a letter was sent to a friend who said he downloaded a game, which took a couple of hours, and when it was finished he immediately deleted the file from his client and closed the program. Clearly someone was actively watching that torrent.


Well shiat that is interesting... I worked for a local ISP here in Ottawa for a couple years, we just laughed at the MPAA trying to enforce US law on our citizens and ignored the requests. Now we were a downstream provider and this was 2004-05. I suppose the provider can pass them on now (we didn't at the time) and it would be up to them to kill the service or just ignore the infraction.
 
2012-12-01 12:31:31 AM

torusXL: jjorsett: Do I really need to point out that I said the Android phone is for a wardriving survey, and that I didn't suggest using it to actually access the network? I guess I do, since you've gotten the wrong message. And yes, I'm aware of MAC addresses and how to change them, given the right WiFi hardware. I'm not planning on doing that, since it's a dick move to incriminate some poor schmuck whose only offense was to leave his WiFi open. I hope anyone who does really does that uses his personal phone for it, since that will make the idiot much easier to trace.

Shhhh, it's OK, jjorsett. I believe it that you know what you're doing. I really do.


Not really doing it for your benefit, just answering your bullshiat for the passerby who might not realize you didn't comprehend my original point if I don't respond.
 
2012-12-01 01:02:12 AM

jjorsett: torusXL: jjorsett: Do I really need to point out that I said the Android phone is for a wardriving survey, and that I didn't suggest using it to actually access the network? I guess I do, since you've gotten the wrong message. And yes, I'm aware of MAC addresses and how to change them, given the right WiFi hardware. I'm not planning on doing that, since it's a dick move to incriminate some poor schmuck whose only offense was to leave his WiFi open. I hope anyone who does really does that uses his personal phone for it, since that will make the idiot much easier to trace.

Shhhh, it's OK, jjorsett. I believe it that you know what you're doing. I really do.

Not really doing it for your benefit, just answering your bullshiat for the passerby who might not realize you didn't comprehend my original point if I don't respond.


There's a magical thing called context, brosef. If you post about using an Android phone for wardriving in a thread discussing illegal pirating, what the shiat do you think meaning it's gonna take?

Watch out as you leave, you might feel a draft on your ass.
 
2012-12-01 01:15:54 AM

Somaticasual: DerpHerder: Yes just as it is illegal for me to rip a CD I legally purchased onto my computer, and or transfer/copy my vinyl collection into a digital format. I have to purchase another license from the owner to pay someone else a premium to do something I myself can do at no cost... Sounds legit.

Actually that's not even cut-and-dry illegal, which is why I specifically omitted it. Lawyers for both MGM and the RIAA have both said that it's not clearly illegal (or legal, however), and note that no prosecutions have gone after that alone. And, from an ethical standpoint, it's miles ahead of the person that goes on a torrent site and downloads a song they know they don't own any rights to nor have any expectation of downloading legally. You bought the original media, so you didn't just take someone's potential food off their plate.

The wiki on ripping even comes up with this quote:

MGM attorney Don Verrilli (later appointed United States Solicitor General by the Obama administration), stated: "And let me clarify something I think is unclear from the amicus briefs. The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and it's been on their Website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it onto your iPod. There is a very, very significant lawful commercial use for that device, going forward." - From Wikipedia


Some great lawyering right there. Well its not legal, but its also not specifically illegal. That just means they can't build a case (they would if they could). Obviously no one can really find out about me doing so or would be particularly interested in persuing the matter, but that wasn't my point. It was that the system of copyright has obviously moved beyond its original intentions of protecting content creators to protecting profit. It should be perfectly legal for me to use the content in such a way but instead it is only 'not illegal' rather than being legal use. Screw these dudes they killed my favorite electronic shoutcast station (Massinova) back in the day when they decided to wreck webradio infavor of proecting the old guard (FM radio). They are still trying to unfairly charge webradio. I don't know why you defend lawyers working to stiffle innovation, and an industry that did nothing to adapt or innovate to a changing market. Those types of business are supposed to fail and not sue to solve a fundamental business model issue.
 
2012-12-01 04:52:17 AM

Renegade Pervert: Good to know! We don't get letters here, yet. The cap on the damages is a nice surprise, I can't see many of them actually being 5K and rather the court dropping that to next to nothing.


Yeah, we do.

Found out three days after getting a new roommate. Made him get his own farking internet instead.
 
2012-12-01 05:49:42 AM

ModernLuddite: Canadian film industry?


In this case, the American film industry's representatives in Canada.

You'd think actual canadian filmmakers would be glad that anyone, anywhere is actually watching their stuff.
 
2012-12-01 06:27:55 AM
torusXLYou're implying anonymity........with an Android phone.
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....
O_o

I was gonna mention something about MAC addresses when at first I thought you were talking about using a network card, but if you're gonna use a phone for this purpose, you're a sitting duck.


Not to interrupt your biatchfight with jjorset, but since I don't have one to check this:
Even if (big IF) that open access point keeps a log of MAC addresses, what's the problem with Android phones and MAC addresses regarding anonymity compared to a laptop?
Are MAC addresses of Android phones connected with their IMEI/IMSI/phone number or is its WiFi MAC address registered or commonly used somewhere else as a device identifier or something?
 
2012-12-01 08:50:16 AM
And another shiat headline is greenlit... Proxies do not protect you in anyway at all.. it just leaves a longer trail of logs to go through..
 
2012-12-01 10:26:47 AM

torusXL: Ooooooo I'm so tech savy I use SSL and download from usenet. They'll neeeeeever find me.


Quite a bit different than peer-to-peer file-sharing. Hell, it isn't even safe sharing over TOR anymore.
 
2012-12-01 10:28:08 AM

The Voice of Doom: re MAC addresses of Android phones connected with their IMEI/IMSI/phone number or is its WiFi MAC address registered or commonly used somewhere else as a device identifier or something?


MAC addresses are unique identifiers. Every network adapter gets a different one, and it can be traced back to the device maker, what product it's in, and theoretically, since it's a phone, yes the IMEI.

If you have a network card in a laptop, a lot of them let you modify the MAC. A favorite is C0:FF:13:C0:FF:13. Also AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA

Fun fact. MAC addresses are stripped from your data packet when they pass through switches and routers. The only location that would have your actual MAC on file if you connected to some random wifi and pirated things would be the wifi router you connected to.
 
2012-12-01 10:39:53 AM

mongbiohazard: Did I read that right, does Canada have a $5k cap on damages?


At current exchange rates that's only $4,966.75 American.
 
2012-12-01 11:30:09 AM

fluffy2097: The Voice of Doom: re MAC addresses of Android phones connected with their IMEI/IMSI/phone number or is its WiFi MAC address registered or commonly used somewhere else as a device identifier or something?

MAC addresses are unique identifiers. Every network adapter gets a different one, and it can be traced back to the device maker, what product it's in, and theoretically, since it's a phone, yes the IMEI.

If you have a network card in a laptop, a lot of them let you modify the MAC. A favorite is C0:FF:13:C0:FF:13. Also AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA

Fun fact. MAC addresses are stripped from your data packet when they pass through switches and routers. The only location that would have your actual MAC on file if you connected to some random wifi and pirated things would be the wifi router you connected to.


Indeed and its a good thing everyone buys their own off the shelf router and never just rents the ISP's modem/router combo devices that are WAN-side administered, eh? ;)
 
2012-12-01 01:21:15 PM

torusXL: I guess the media execs aren't quite as worried about streaming video because most people are too dumb too realize that streamed video can be captured into a file, more or less the same as any download. It just takes a little more work.


I think it's because there is no penalty for watching an infringing public performance of a work. (Some courts have found streaming more akin to "public performance" than it is to "distribution.") If you watch an illegal UFC fight on a bar's TV, the bar owner is liable for infringement but you are not.

I picked UFC because they are actually threatening to go after viewers of illegally streamed fights. Link
 
2012-12-01 04:55:18 PM

BumpInTheNight: Indeed and its a good thing everyone buys their own off the shelf router and never just rents the ISP's modem/router combo devices that are WAN-side administered, eh? ;)


Thank goodness you can change your MAC, and it's obvious that "CDGWDG13743" probably wasnt setup by an end user.
 
2012-12-01 07:34:16 PM

fluffy2097: The Voice of Doom: re MAC addresses of Android phones connected with their IMEI/IMSI/phone number or is its WiFi MAC address registered or commonly used somewhere else as a device identifier or something?

MAC addresses are unique identifiers. Every network adapter gets a different one, and it can be traced back to the device maker, what product it's in, and theoretically, since it's a phone, yes the IMEI.

If you have a network card in a laptop, a lot of them let you modify the MAC. A favorite is C0:FF:13:C0:FF:13. Also AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA

Fun fact. MAC addresses are stripped from your data packet when they pass through switches and routers. The only location that would have your actual MAC on file if you connected to some random wifi and pirated things would be the wifi router you connected to.


Not to mention that if law enforcement were so inclined, they could use payment information used to buy the equipment combined with a MAC address and eventually track down the owner. Similar to how bullets can sometimes be used to figure out a gun's serial number and the last owner.

Hopefully it never gets to that kind of insanity, I'd imagine that kind of hardcore tracking down would only be done for things like terrorist activities. Let's hope, anyway.

slayer199: Quite a bit different than peer-to-peer file-sharing. Hell, it isn't even safe sharing over TOR anymore.


Yeah, Tor is helpful but no security system is safe. Just as no DRM is never going to possibly be able to protect something 100% securely, a pirate will never be able to 100% secure themselves against a law enforcement or iron-fisted RIAA that is going tooth and nail at them. The only secure computer system is the one that no one can access - the one that you've incinerated in the sun, or never built in the first place. And what kind of user friendliness would that be :)

I haven't bothered to talk about my actual personal viewpoint on pirating...just came in and poked at the easy people to poke. But you could say it's somewhere in between for or against - pragmatic, I guess. More like I'm neither for or against, just for what seems to work and have a purpose.
 
2012-12-01 09:12:41 PM
This might be helpful..

I like the idea of a VPN operator keeping no logs..
 
2012-12-01 09:22:45 PM
So, is watching movies on a site like PutLocker illegal? Asking for a friend.
 
2012-12-01 09:55:36 PM

Miss Stein: So, is watching movies on a site like PutLocker illegal? Asking for a friend.


Depends.
 
2012-12-02 10:09:28 AM

torusXL: Yeah, Tor is helpful but no security system is safe. Just as no DRM is never going to possibly be able to protect something 100% securely, a pirate will never be able to 100% secure themselves against a law enforcement or iron-fisted RIAA that is going tooth and nail at them. The only secure computer system is the one that no one can access - the one that you've incinerated in the sun, or never built in the first place. And what kind of user friendliness would that be :)

I haven't bothered to talk about my actual personal viewpoint on pirating...just came in and poked at the easy people to poke. But you could say it's somewhere in between for or against - pragmatic, I guess. More like I'm neither for or against, just for what seems to work and have a purpose.


Personally, I would be more than willing to pay for a streaming service that has all the choices Netflix has on DVD. I'm a cinephile but nothing was more frustrating than finding a movie on Netflix only to find it was only available on DVD. If the studios are going to be pricks about allowing a service to stream everything, I'll continue to stream from my NAS.
 
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