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(Vancouver Sun)   The Canadian government is starting to collect data on millions of people illegally downloading pirated content. Good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies, eh   (vancouversun.com) divider line 99
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2012-11-30 01:11:31 PM  
The Canadian government?

A forensic software company has collected files on a million Canadians who it says have downloaded pirated content.

And the company, which works for the motion picture and recording industries...


Private industry went to Federal court and won a judgement. Of course, it's BS posturing, but this isn't a government decree, 'mitter.
 
2012-11-30 01:13:15 PM  
It would've been funnier if you'd said "seven proxehs."
 
2012-11-30 02:58:25 PM  
Last week's court decision involved a Burnaby movie production company that went to court to force Internet service providers to provide names and addresses of subscribers who had illegally downloaded one of its movies.


Nope nothing at all wrong with a private company compelling a communications provider to give up private information.
 
2012-11-30 03:00:20 PM  
Canadian film industry?

You mean the one supported by taxpayer money from a government that has repeatedly said it is not interested in going after internet pirates on the behalf of private industry?

Suuuuure. Good luck with that.
 
2012-11-30 03:00:20 PM  
They just want to make sure that a certain percentage of illegal downloads are Canadian Content and bilingual.
 
2012-11-30 03:02:06 PM  
.......on a related note, the National Film Board puts out some good stuff, and it's all FREEEEEEE!!!

http://www.nfb.ca/

//It also puts out a lot of crap.You have been warned.
 
2012-11-30 03:02:13 PM  
Enjoy my SSL connections.
 
2012-11-30 03:04:33 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-30 03:10:49 PM  
I've noticed that my favorite usenet server is killing movies shortly after they're uploaded. By the time the NZB lists get them, they're gone.

/solved that problem by moving to a dutch usenet provider with SSL
 
2012-11-30 03:12:03 PM  
I don't understand. If I was using bittorrent to download content from the internet - and I'm not saying I am, this is just a hypothetical scenario - have I as a Canadian not already implicitly paid for it

/hoping this is popcorn-worthy 
 
2012-11-30 03:13:09 PM  

slayer199: /solved that problem by moving to a dutch usenet provider with SSL


XSUsenet by any chance?
 
2012-11-30 03:13:24 PM  
"Logan said the court decision means Canadians must realize they could be held liable for illegal downloading and statutory damages of up to $5,000."

It's going to make no financial sense to go after downloaders if they decide to go to court.
 
2012-11-30 03:26:00 PM  
So can someone clear this up for me.

This law should only affect Canadian IP violations right? If I download Iron Man they can stuff it?
 
2012-11-30 03:29:24 PM  
Did I read that right, does Canada have a $5k cap on damages?
 
2012-11-30 03:31:29 PM  
Hrrrmmmm... my BitTorrent proxy (BTGuard) runs through Toronto, Ontario. I've contacted them for a statement, but I may have to find a better proxy service.

Luckily, I do not torrent anything "new" - most of it is just hard to find stuff.
 
2012-11-30 03:31:30 PM  

Renegade Pervert: So can someone clear this up for me.

This law should only affect Canadian IP violations right? If I download Iron Man they can stuff it?


Sign up for this: www.btguard.com
...and never worry about it again. My IP addresses show as me being in Germany, Switzerland, etc.....
 
2012-11-30 03:32:41 PM  
Can Canada go after people for downloading US copyright laws? So what if I live in Canada and download a US movie?
 
2012-11-30 03:33:01 PM  

LesserEvil: Hrrrmmmm... my BitTorrent proxy (BTGuard) runs through Toronto, Ontario. I've contacted them for a statement, but I may have to find a better proxy service.

Luckily, I do not torrent anything "new" - most of it is just hard to find stuff.


I use them too. They purposefully don't keep logs in case they are ever subpoenaed, but yeah now that you mention it I may need to think about that too...
 
2012-11-30 03:35:27 PM  
Tried to post this a few days ago, apparently the mods didn't think I was funny enough, or they don't care about the Canadian farkers...

Why Liability Is Limited: A Primer on New Copyright Damages as File Sharing Lawsuits Head To Canada

Very interesting read which references the new lawsuits, the new changes to the Canadian copyright law, potential damages, etc.. maybe a bit dry, but essential reading for any would-be pirates out there
 
2012-11-30 03:37:31 PM  

Supercampion: Can Canada go after people for downloading US copyright laws? So what if I live in Canada and download a US movie?


I was wondering that too. Is this only for "Canadian" movies? So the 4 people that torrented Bon Cop Bad Cop? lol

/private tracker ftw
 
2012-11-30 03:41:15 PM  

mongbiohazard: Did I read that right, does Canada have a $5k cap on damages?


on non-commerical damages. i.e. if you sell it, there's no limit. if you just download it and watch it, that absolute maximum you have to pay is 5k. I can find the article if you want to read more.
 
2012-11-30 03:42:33 PM  
Between the crappy internet infrastructure and BS cross-border copyright laws, the Canadian government should be collecting these names so they can send out apologies.
 
2012-11-30 03:43:28 PM  

mongbiohazard: Did I read that right, does Canada have a $5k cap on damages?


They're reasonable up there. That's what it should be here.
 
2012-11-30 03:46:26 PM  
People still use BitTorrent?
 
2012-11-30 03:47:40 PM  

carnifex2005: "Logan said the court decision means Canadians must realize they could be held liable for illegal downloading and statutory damages of up to $5,000."

It's going to make no financial sense to go after downloaders if they decide to go to court.


They'll take enough people to court to get it in the news. They're hopeful it will act as a deterrent since previously they didn't want to go to court just in case the courts ruled it was perfectly legal (since Canadians already pay a levy on all blank media which is supposed to account for pirating). It'll stop some people, get others to start using a bittorrent proxy or just share with people they know.
 
2012-11-30 03:50:01 PM  
And if I go to one more media site which says "Oh, watch this video! We want you to watch this video! Please watch our video-- which is not available in your country, sorry," then I'm going to kick a hole in the wall of my igloo.
 
2012-11-30 03:52:52 PM  
now something must be done
about victims a badge and a gun
so grip the mike grip the stage
grip the system
i was born to raise against em

..
that was the second MP3 i downloaded. first one was Men In Black
 
2012-11-30 04:01:45 PM  
i1136.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 04:07:00 PM  
So how does this work?

~You buy a worthless video.

~One of your worthless friends I mean someone you don't even know, puts it up on a website to be downloaded.

~Another worthless friend that runs that website has a list of the people that downloaded the video.

~It goes to court and you and all of your worthless friends have a blockbuster of epic proportions.???
 
2012-11-30 04:08:57 PM  
kronicfeld
It would've been funnier if you'd said "seven proxehs."


Ehmehgehrd, Kehnnehdiehn proxehs?
 
2012-11-30 04:14:51 PM  

mongbiohazard: Renegade Pervert: So can someone clear this up for me.

This law should only affect Canadian IP violations right? If I download Iron Man they can stuff it?

Sign up for this: www.btguard.com
...and never worry about it again. My IP addresses show as me being in Germany, Switzerland, etc.....


Good to know, I use peerblocker religiously, not sure how much it is shielding me.

But I am curious if this bill will allow them to prosecute for infringing on other countries copyright.
 
2012-11-30 04:23:50 PM  
Films and tv shows in Canada are actually distributed by Canadian companies. That's why it's such a damn nightmare actually getting American films and TV. So you aren't violating US copyright, you are violating Canadian copyright.

//Also, fark Alliance Atlantis.
 
2012-11-30 04:26:16 PM  
It's slow enough being behind 3 proxehs... how the hell do you live with yourself behind 7 proxehs?
 
2012-11-30 04:32:20 PM  

diaphoresis: It's slow enough being behind 3 proxehs... how the hell do you live with yourself behind 7 proxehs?


I try to imagine myself as a Bell customer, then it feels like any other day.
 
2012-11-30 04:48:35 PM  
Downloading is never illegal. People are only arrested for uploading. In the US, anyway.
 
2012-11-30 04:52:02 PM  
Maybe they can send a swat team in to arrest another 9 year old.

That will show those filthy pirates.
 
2012-11-30 05:17:05 PM  

BgJonson79: Downloading is never illegal. People are only arrested for uploading. In the US, anyway.


Downloading might not be "illegal", but legality isn't the issue here. It's the risk of being hit with some good old fashioned extortion, and in rare cases a lawsuit. Your odds of being singled out are much, much lower if you just download, but they're definitely not zero. And good luck getting decent torrent speeds if you refuse to upload at all...

Just getting a decent blocklist for peer IPs that are known copyright trolls works well enough, in my experience. And by my experience I mean from what I've heard, obviously.
 
2012-11-30 05:20:04 PM  
It's all bullshiat. Unless they can prove I'm exhibiting the films for profit or that I had any actual intention of going out and buying the DVD/BluRay in the first place. Which I have no intention with movie channels on my cable subscription and most of it being crap anyway. If I care enough for a film I go see it in theatres, I haven't bought a DVD since before BluRay came out and I don't own a single BluRay movie despite having both a PS3 and a Sony BD/Surround system.

I never was a customer and as such no damages can be collected.
 
2012-11-30 05:22:19 PM  
FTFA:

"the copyright holders can seek statutory damages that are capped at $5,000 for non-commercial infringement."

That sounds down right reasonable.

The US will never do that. Mockbuster and pr4n studios will never make a serious portion of their profits from piracy litigation with that cap.
 
2012-11-30 05:23:00 PM  
I saw this posted somewhere.

seedbox in some far away land. https/sftp transfer.

I don't what those words mean, I don't even own a computer.
 
2012-11-30 05:30:47 PM  
Can any of you kindly Farkers please explain to me the legal differences and ramifications between downloading movies and simply streaming them without downloading. I've tried Google, but I keep getting a lot of conflicting information.

/Help me out and I'll name my first born after you.
//Bevets need not apply.
 
2012-11-30 05:33:01 PM  

Rezurok: BgJonson79:
Just getting a decent blocklist for peer IPs that are known copyright trolls works well enough, in my experience. And by my experience I mean from what I've heard, obviously.


That won't work. It's way to easy to grab the same IP information from another source IP. I run Peer Block, but I only expect that it keeps idiot copyright trolls at bay.

SultanofSchwing: It's all bullshiat. Unless they can prove I'm exhibiting the films for profit or that I had any actual intention of going out and buying the DVD/BluRay in the first place. Which I have no intention with movie channels on my cable subscription and most of it being crap anyway. If I care enough for a film I go see it in theatres, I haven't bought a DVD since before BluRay came out and I don't own a single BluRay movie despite having both a PS3 and a Sony BD/Surround system.

I never was a customer and as such no damages can be collected.


Assuming you're in the US, that's a *somewhat* plausible attempt for defense of downloads - though pretty unlikely to work.

But you have to upload to torrent anyplace decent and that action throws your argument out of the window. Once you upload anything and get popped you settle before court because you will lose in trial. Trying your claim in court will find the RIAA/MPAA doing as much as possible to make an example out of your to the sum of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

There are other options that don't require you to upload. Just don't think that you're safe because you have that argument.
 
2012-11-30 05:36:55 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Can any of you kindly Farkers please explain to me the legal differences and ramifications between downloading movies and simply streaming them without downloading. I've tried Google, but I keep getting a lot of conflicting information.

/Help me out and I'll name my first born after you.
//Bevets need not apply.


There used to be a distinction between 'making a personal copy' (downloading only or streaming) vs providing content to others but that's no longer the case. Now that distinction has been cleared up, even entitled sony boy up thread there is just as liable as anyone else. Meanwhile I figure all the levy money from the blank media purchases I've made should make us right about even if this company ever follows through with their silly idea.
 
2012-11-30 05:38:34 PM  

MadMattressMack: Rezurok: BgJonson79:
Just getting a decent blocklist for peer IPs that are known copyright trolls works well enough, in my experience. And by my experience I mean from what I've heard, obviously.

That won't work. It's way to easy to grab the same IP information from another source IP. I run Peer Block, but I only expect that it keeps idiot copyright trolls at bay.

SultanofSchwing: It's all bullshiat. Unless they can prove I'm exhibiting the films for profit or that I had any actual intention of going out and buying the DVD/BluRay in the first place. Which I have no intention with movie channels on my cable subscription and most of it being crap anyway. If I care enough for a film I go see it in theatres, I haven't bought a DVD since before BluRay came out and I don't own a single BluRay movie despite having both a PS3 and a Sony BD/Surround system.

I never was a customer and as such no damages can be collected.

Assuming you're in the US, that's a *somewhat* plausible attempt for defense of downloads - though pretty unlikely to work.

But you have to upload to torrent anyplace decent and that action throws your argument out of the window. Once you upload anything and get popped you settle before court because you will lose in trial. Trying your claim in court will find the RIAA/MPAA doing as much as possible to make an example out of your to the sum of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

There are other options that don't require you to upload. Just don't think that you're safe because you have that argument.


Naw Canada, and I terminate my outbound BT connections at the router since uTorrent likes to make it a pain in the ass to set outbound to 0kb/s globally. For the exact reasons you mentioned.
 
2012-11-30 05:44:51 PM  

BumpInTheNight: There used to be a distinction between 'making a personal copy' (downloading only or streaming) vs providing content to others but that's no longer the case. Now that distinction has been cleared up, even entitled sony boy up thread there is just as liable as anyone else. Meanwhile I figure all the levy money from the blank media purchases I've made should make us right about even if this company ever follows through with their silly idea.


Wanna come over and watch Batman on my Sony shiat?
 
2012-11-30 05:50:14 PM  

SultanofSchwing: BumpInTheNight: There used to be a distinction between 'making a personal copy' (downloading only or streaming) vs providing content to others but that's no longer the case. Now that distinction has been cleared up, even entitled sony boy up thread there is just as liable as anyone else. Meanwhile I figure all the levy money from the blank media purchases I've made should make us right about even if this company ever follows through with their silly idea.

Wanna come over and watch Batman on my Sony shiat?


Haven't you gotten tired of dealing with Cinavia and the PS3's piss poor DLNA capabilities yet? :P I know I did and just swapped mine out for a proper HTPC, good times!
 
2012-11-30 05:50:27 PM  

Renegade Pervert: mongbiohazard: Renegade Pervert: So can someone clear this up for me.

This law should only affect Canadian IP violations right? If I download Iron Man they can stuff it?

Sign up for this: www.btguard.com
...and never worry about it again. My IP addresses show as me being in Germany, Switzerland, etc.....

Good to know, I use peerblocker religiously, not sure how much it is shielding me.

But I am curious if this bill will allow them to prosecute for infringing on other countries copyright.


I used to use Peerblocker religiously too... until I got a letter about that open torrent of the season 3 finale of Community I had going.

Peerblocker is better than nothing, and that's about it. Your IP can still be seen even if Peerbocker is running. It just thins the herd a touch. Switch to a seedbox or proxy service. The cost is negligible but the safety is priceless.... literally so in the US where our damages aren't capped!
 
2012-11-30 05:51:30 PM  

SultanofSchwing: MadMattressMack: Rezurok: BgJonson79:

Naw Canada, and I terminate my outbound BT connections at the router since uTorrent likes to make it a pain in the ass to set outbound to 0kb/s globally. For the exact reasons you mentioned.


Ahhh, ok. My knowledge on IP law outside of the US is pretty limited except for knowing some data haven countries.
 
2012-11-30 05:53:56 PM  

MadMattressMack: Rezurok: BgJonson79:
Just getting a decent blocklist for peer IPs that are known copyright trolls works well enough, in my experience. And by my experience I mean from what I've heard, obviously.

That won't work. It's way to easy to grab the same IP information from another source IP. I run Peer Block, but I only expect that it keeps idiot copyright trolls at bay.


I don't claim it to be fool proof by any means, but it's better than nothing. They tend to go after the multitudes of easy targets, so it doesn't take much effort to stay out of their sights.
 
2012-11-30 05:56:08 PM  

BumpInTheNight: SultanofSchwing: BumpInTheNight: There used to be a distinction between 'making a personal copy' (downloading only or streaming) vs providing content to others but that's no longer the case. Now that distinction has been cleared up, even entitled sony boy up thread there is just as liable as anyone else. Meanwhile I figure all the levy money from the blank media purchases I've made should make us right about even if this company ever follows through with their silly idea.

Wanna come over and watch Batman on my Sony shiat?

Haven't you gotten tired of dealing with Cinavia and the PS3's piss poor DLNA capabilities yet? :P I know I did and just swapped mine out for a proper HTPC, good times!


I only mentioned them to point out that I have two devices fully capable of playing BluRay discs but still have absolutely no intention on buying them, not trying to cock-measure brand names :P

As for Cinavia, hardly ever been an issue for me on my PS3 for streaming. Just need to make sure it has a DTS audio track in the video and enable the Cinavia bypass on PS3 Media Server. Works like a charm.
 
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