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2012-11-30 03:24:11 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: an alcoholic isn't an addict to alcohol. he's a violent man that beats his family. someone else who treats their family nicely and drinks the same amount is considered normal


Spend some time around heavy alcoholics and watch their withdrawals, they can't function without it.
 
2012-11-30 03:27:00 PM

Tenatra: Jon iz teh kewl: an alcoholic isn't an addict to alcohol. he's a violent man that beats his family. someone else who treats their family nicely and drinks the same amount is considered normal

Spend some time around heavy alcoholics and watch their withdrawals, they can't function without it.


i used to drink about 3-6 beers every night to fall asleep. i quit like 11 months later and had no withdrawal symptoms
 
2012-11-30 03:29:42 PM
A fentanyl bomb has hit Appalachia. Not surprised that Heroin is close behind.

In my day it was something you used to dislodge Chechnyan separtists from theatres.

/adjusts opioid onion
 
2012-11-30 03:33:22 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7461009/81008619#c81008619" target="_blank">Jon iz teh kewl</a>:</b> <i>Tenatra: Jon iz teh kewl: an alcoholic isn't an addict to alcohol. he's a violent man that beats his family. someone else who treats their family nicely and drinks the same amount is considered normal

Spend some time around heavy alcoholics and watch their withdrawals, they can't function without it.

i used to drink about 3-6 beers every night to fall asleep. i quit like 11 months later and had no withdrawal symptoms</i>

Probably thanks to teetotaler influence, what the medical type folks call alcoholism and binge drinking is far from what any normal person would consider alcoholism or binge drinking. Drinking 3 or more nights a week? Alcoholic. More than 3 drinks in one sitting, with the length of time of a sitting being left undefined? Binge drinking.

3 beers between when you get home from work at 6 and go to bed at 11? Big farking deal. Slamming a six pack right before bed... probably not good, but neither of those are going to give you the DTs like the guy pounding a pint of vodak in the parking lot before work would have if he stopped.

/disclaimer; anyone who drinks less than me is a teetoataler
//anyone who drinks more than me is an alcoholic
///sips whiskey and diet dew
 
2012-11-30 03:34:06 PM

Fentanyl Bomb: A fentanyl bomb has hit Appalachia. Not surprised that Heroin is close behind.

In my day it was something you used to dislodge Chechnyan separtists from theatres.

/adjusts opioid onion


your thinking of Car Fentanyl
a special kind of fentanyl designed for cars

Link
 
2012-11-30 03:39:35 PM

itazurakko: Hm. I'll definitely have to give it a try - for me when I have pain too it's pretty localized in time, and usually I'm wanting something to make it bearable to do (or, start) the therapy exercises I do which actually make the rest of the day good.


This oughta help then, if you're like me (and everyone I know), two packs will start working in about ten minutes. It's basically Excedrin in powder form, but it works much better than the pills.

If you do try it, don't mix it in water as is recommended. Just pour it out on your tongue and wash it down with something quick. It'll taste like shiat (which is why I recommend the orange stuff, it tastes like orange aspirin instead of just aspirin) and you don't want to breath it, but it'll work better.
 
2012-11-30 03:39:39 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: DrBreRuthlessVillain: Minimal snark intended here, but if you're able to say that legalizing everything would be "socially disastrous," then you must have a special ability to see the future that the rest of us--even on the "legalize everything" side of the argument--lack. If I had that ability I'd be busy picking lottery numbers and enjoying the winnings instead of wasting the workday on Fark, but I digress

Um...........okay.


DrBreRuthlessVillain: The point of legalizing everything, at least for me, is a matter of principle. Would legalization be a "disaster" for society? I don't pretend to know that with any real certainty, but what I do know is that a society that tolerates laws that make contraband out of certain substances is, in effect, an open air prison colony.

Okay, so what about other drugs? Say antibiotics - where we know overuse has very undesirable and serious effects on society as a whole (bacterial resistance). Do you want to have a free for all on ALL drugs? Or just the fun ones? Honest question.

Another complication is that we seem to expect the government to protect us when it comes to "big corporations" selling us unsafe products. Oh noe, this product had a bad side effect, sue sue sue! BUT.... then we expect the government to completely deregulate things which we already know for a fact often have bad effects on people. Which is it? This seems to me like a complete 100% contradiction.

Should corporations be able to market anything, even useless stuff, poorly made stuff, known dangerous stuff? Again, this is an honest question. If we allow companies to all out market products known to be unsafe or kill you, then so be it. But that floodgate is open. I don't think you can say "only unsafe fun drugs should be deregulated, but other bad corporate things stay regulated by the government"

/ps. try a little harder on minimizing the snark. Additional side stories about lottery tickets will probably cause me to dismiss you as a nutjob.cause me


you can get antibiotics OTC at pretty much any pet store
 
2012-11-30 03:40:19 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Fentanyl Bomb: A fentanyl bomb has hit Appalachia. Not surprised that Heroin is close behind.

In my day it was something you used to dislodge Chechnyan separtists from theatres.

/adjusts opioid onion

your thinking of Car Fentanyl
a special kind of fentanyl designed for cars

Link



Thats it. I prefer an ether-soaked sock in the floorboard for driving, myself.
 
2012-11-30 03:47:05 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Okay, so what about other drugs? Say antibiotics - where we know overuse has very undesirable and serious effects on society as a whole (bacterial resistance). Do you want to have a free for all on ALL drugs? Or just the fun ones? Honest question.


It is an honest and fair question. For me it's a matter of cause, effect and an overestimation of the effectiveness of centralized authority. You mention the issue of bacterial resistance to antibiotics, but what is the cause of this problem? As I understand it (and I have limited ability to discuss issues related to pharmacology: not much training), over-prescription is a factor along with incomplete use--so an incompletely treated infection has bacteria that survive and are resistant to the drug going forward. But this is all happening now WITH the leviathan state that acknowledges no limits on its power. Should more be done? Do patients taking antibiotics need a live-in agent from the government to see to it that all bottles of pills get finished? How much more hand-holding from the paternalists is needed before we can start to level-off the government's reach? I'm sure the answer to that question from some people here in the "land of the free" is scarier than any of the problems we're supposedly addressing with all this stuff.

Another complication is that we seem to expect the government to protect us when it comes to "big corporations" selling us unsafe products. Oh noe, this product had a bad side effect, sue sue sue! BUT.... then we expect the government to completely deregulate things which we already know for a fact often have bad effects on people. Which is it? This seems to me like a complete 100% contradiction.

Well, I personally expect very little from the government but still wind up disappointed more often than not. I think a lot of what you mention here could be resolved through the civil courts as you say, but also criminally by prosecuting the under-enforced crime of fraud. What you're describing here is either a mis-representation of an item for sale (fraud) or a breach of a duty of care or contract. Common law recognized and dealt with these concerns a long time before "we" decided a massive regulatory apparatus was of such critical importance. Other than that, I think people should be free to purchase, consume and have the items they want so long as what the goods being delivered are the goods being ordered.

/ps. try a little harder on minimizing the snark. Additional side stories about lottery tickets will probably cause me to dismiss you as a nutjob ...

Sensitive. I recognize this is a different way of approaching things, considering how doctrinaire and enamored of the conventional wisdom people can be. I'll be ok if you dismiss me as a nutjob with even more cause than you have now.
 
2012-11-30 03:51:01 PM

FirstNationalBastard: However, locking up addicts and pretending that's going to solve the problem instead of trying to fix the underlying causes of the addiction


Opiate receptors in the CNS?
 
2012-11-30 03:52:12 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Tenatra: Jon iz teh kewl: an alcoholic isn't an addict to alcohol. he's a violent man that beats his family. someone else who treats their family nicely and drinks the same amount is considered normal

Spend some time around heavy alcoholics and watch their withdrawals, they can't function without it.

i used to drink about 3-6 beers every night to fall asleep. i quit like 11 months later and had no withdrawal symptoms


I was drinking a 5-6 of either of these nightly to go to sleep for close to 3 years
trashcan - Vodka, Gin, Tequila, Rum, Blue Curacao, Red bull
adios mother farker - Vodka, Gin, Tequila, Rum, Blue Curacao, sweet and sour, 7up

I felt like I needed it at night but I was able to quit. It took some effort, a few failed attempts, and ditching a lot of friends for good. My habit was nightly but I have however had friends that needed it right when they woke up. Withdrawal looks ugly and it was a big motivator for me to get away from it before I fell deeper. For them if they didn't start drinking their bottles right when they woke up it would lead to convulsions and vomiting. Vodka was their favorite since it looked like water and they were drinking in public (college, work, etc)
 
2012-11-30 03:59:44 PM

johnny queso: bim1154: R.A.Danny: bim1154: Lernaeus: R.A.Danny: This is where my Mother in law and two sisters in law are heading. They are a pill popping mess.

I have cousins in the same boat.

The sadness is that I know people with legitimate pain medicine needs that can't get enough pain medication because they've been labeled "drug seekers" by their doctors the DEA.

My sister in law is like another version of Elvis Presley. She takes pills for every farking thing in her imagination and then some. Can't wake up... take a pill, can't go to sleep... take a pill, Can't take a shiat... take a pill, shiat too much... take a pill and the list is long.

We might just be related.

I know my doctor on a personal level as well. It would probably be fairly easy for me to get some good stuff on occasion, but I am fully aware that I have what I call an "addiction gene". I have some pretty good aches and pains from my bull riding days, but to date I have avoided everything stronger than 500mg naproxen and that shiat seizes me up if I take more than 2 a day for 2 consecutive days, so I don't.

Bullrider? So in addition to tending toward addiction you are a crazy bastard.

We're you any good?

/from cheyenne and love bullriding.
//watching


I was o.k. but far from being able to say I was championship material. I made the buzzer on a regular basis but others scored higher than me. Luck of the draw.

The thing I can say is I was riding bulls before they started wearing body armor and helmets. The other good thing about rough stock riders.... pussy, pussy, pussy and so much pussy you felt like a God.
 
2012-11-30 03:59:47 PM

Mazzic518: you can get antibiotics OTC at pretty much any pet store


Then they aren't the regulated antibiotics I was asking about, are they? ;-)
 
2012-11-30 04:03:19 PM

The One True TheDavid: DubyaHater:

I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet.

I was going to say "Why would anybody bother with Percocet?" but then the Wikipedia article makes me think the Percocet of today is a different formulation from the weak near-placebo my mom took for back ache in 1976. Was there always oxycodone in it?


Probably better synthesis of the active component. About 10 years ago, my doctor prescribed Percocet for a back injury. Good lord, what a ride.....right up until the time I started vomiting. Nonetheless, that was a good feeling and I haven't taken it since.
 
2012-11-30 04:05:12 PM

Cyno01: Probably thanks to teetotaler influence, what the medical type folks call alcoholism and binge drinking is far from what any normal person would consider alcoholism or binge drinking. Drinking 3 or more nights a week? Alcoholic. More than 3 drinks in one sitting, with the length of time of a sitting being left undefined? Binge drinking.

3 beers between when you get home from work at 6 and go to bed at 11? Big farking deal. Slamming a six pack right before bed... probably not good, but neither of those are going to give you the DTs like the guy pounding a pint of vodak in the parking lot before work would have if he stopped.


Indeed.

Serious alcohol withdrawal to the point where it's all about brain damage and hallucination is nothing to fark around with, on the other hand, most people will probably never know someone who is THAT badly off. Even most dependent people who are beating their families and all sorts of other horrible stuff aren't that far physically in. Just starting a google binge (heh) around the topic can be pretty horrifying yet fascinating.

I do think the official designations of binge drinking are pretty crazy these days though, yeah - I don't consider myself a particularly tolerant person, and yet on a Friday evening when I am planning to be pleasantly impaired, I can easily put away three or four beers (including a strong one, often) between 6 PM and midnight, all while remaining mellow and calm, and usually reading for pleasure or chatting it up with friends. If it's binge drinking, okay, but it's not impacting my life.

Apart from that though, even with things that aren't physically addicting (or people who aren't at that level) some people just have trouble stopping doing some behavior that THEY feel is impacting their life for the worse. That might be drinking too much beer (meaning: the amount of beer they drink or the time they spend not able to do work because they've started in on the beer is too much by THEIR OWN opinion for their own goals) or it might mean spending too much time playing video games to the exclusion of homework. Making it easier for people to get assistance altering their own habits is probably a good thing. That's even before people are being such problems for others that those others end up stepping in.
 
2012-11-30 04:06:37 PM

DrBreRuthlessVillain: But this is all happening now WITH the leviathan state that acknowledges no limits on its power. Should more be done? Do patients taking antibiotics need a live-in agent from the government to see to it that all bottles of pills get finished? How much more hand-holding from the paternalists is needed before we can start to level-off the government's reach?


How about not letting people have any and all antibiotics they want at any time, but only when a licenced medical doctor determines the person needs them?

We don't need hyperbolic strawmen about live-in government reps in our homes. Sorry but all of this seemed liked a very hyperbolic way of saying, "I can't think of a good answer."
 
2012-11-30 04:10:11 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Because dealing with heroin addiction (addiction issues + added bonus of probably shared needles, heroin cut with ____, etc. issues!) is better? Or you won't have to deal with those ramifications in your office? Jesus.


You seem to be under the impression that the Hippocratic Oath is still taught.
 
2012-11-30 04:11:33 PM

Tenatra: I felt like I needed it at night but I was able to quit.


I should add that even though I've been away from alcohol for close to 2 1/2 years (aside from having 1 beer with dinner every 3 months). I want to drink really bad if it comes up in conversation. Oh damn you are all drinkin at the house tonight? I know not to do hard liquor because I'll have 1 drink, then it leads to another. BAM! Crazy drunk me makes enters the room and I won't be back until the next day after I pass the fark out.
 
2012-11-30 04:22:14 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Tenatra: Jon iz teh kewl: an alcoholic isn't an addict to alcohol. he's a violent man that beats his family. someone else who treats their family nicely and drinks the same amount is considered normal

Spend some time around heavy alcoholics and watch their withdrawals, they can't function without it.

i used to drink about 3-6 beers every night to fall asleep. i quit like 11 months later and had no withdrawal symptoms


oh lawd, you drank six beers from presumably 6 o'clock in the afternoon until 11 o'clock at night? you must be hard. like, totally i bet you were a drinking professional.

/sarcasm out of batteries.
 
2012-11-30 04:28:07 PM

genzoman: Jon iz teh kewl: Tenatra: Jon iz teh kewl: an alcoholic isn't an addict to alcohol. he's a violent man that beats his family. someone else who treats their family nicely and drinks the same amount is considered normal

Spend some time around heavy alcoholics and watch their withdrawals, they can't function without it.

i used to drink about 3-6 beers every night to fall asleep. i quit like 11 months later and had no withdrawal symptoms

oh lawd, you drank six beers from presumably 6 o'clock in the afternoon until 11 o'clock at night? you must be hard. like, totally i bet you were a drinking professional.

/sarcasm out of batteries.


but if i did the same thing and ended up in jail for assault i'd have an alcohol problem
 
2012-11-30 04:34:54 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mazzic518: you can get antibiotics OTC at pretty much any pet store

Then they aren't the regulated antibiotics I was asking about, are they? ;-)


Yes they are
 
2012-11-30 04:37:11 PM

shroomgirl34: If you honestly have bad joint pain, this is the best non-narcotic remedy you could possibly find Link My girlfriend who has pretty bad chronic back pain says it takes the pain away better than oxy, my grandma uses it for her neck pain instead of percocet, I have been using it with like 2 aspirin for my knees. Only bad thing is it's only available to medical marijuana patients in Colorado.

Dammit man!! I was all happy til I read that last line


You may honestly want to get checked out for ankylosing spondylitis, particularly if you started hurting in your late teens/early 20s, or if you feel better when you're active instead of sedentary. It usually takes 7-10 years to get diagnosed properly due to poor diagnostic procedures, which sounds like something you've been through.

It's a son of a biatch, but it can be managed once you know what you're dealing with.
 
2012-11-30 04:38:33 PM
My ex-husband's girlfriend is taking Oxy for an injury that happened 5 years ago, she takes at least 2 a day and drinks a bottle of Vodak a day. I don't know how her liver can function, but I do know they are very miserable. (ha!)
 
2012-11-30 04:41:35 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: How about not letting people have any and all antibiotics they want at any time, but only when a licenced medical doctor determines the person needs them?

We don't need hyperbolic strawmen about live-in government reps in our homes. Sorry but all of this seemed liked a very hyperbolic way of saying, "I can't think of a good answer."


So the part you ignored about cause, effect and the efficacy of centralized authority is the irrelevant part of the answer, but the conjecture about what the government might do next in its righteous crusade is central to the point.

...And even all of that is fine either way, but you already have it your way and yet you seem to admit the problem persists in spite of the government's mandate. Considering the age we live in and the extreme (at least by my definition) measures government has taken to "solve" all manner of problems, is the idea of official supervision for people taking medications so far-fetched? Apparently you're more concerned with mutating bacteria than government gone wild. That's one of our differences.
 
2012-11-30 04:43:01 PM

bim1154: johnny queso: bim1154: R.A.Danny: bim1154: Lernaeus: R.A.Danny: This is where my Mother in law and two sisters in law are heading. They are a pill popping mess.

I have cousins in the same boat.

The sadness is that I know people with legitimate pain medicine needs that can't get enough pain medication because they've been labeled "drug seekers" by their doctors the DEA.

My sister in law is like another version of Elvis Presley. She takes pills for every farking thing in her imagination and then some. Can't wake up... take a pill, can't go to sleep... take a pill, Can't take a shiat... take a pill, shiat too much... take a pill and the list is long.

We might just be related.

I know my doctor on a personal level as well. It would probably be fairly easy for me to get some good stuff on occasion, but I am fully aware that I have what I call an "addiction gene". I have some pretty good aches and pains from my bull riding days, but to date I have avoided everything stronger than 500mg naproxen and that shiat seizes me up if I take more than 2 a day for 2 consecutive days, so I don't.

Bullrider? So in addition to tending toward addiction you are a crazy bastard.

We're you any good?

/from cheyenne and love bullriding.
//watching

I was o.k. but far from being able to say I was championship material. I made the buzzer on a regular basis but others scored higher than me. Luck of the draw.

The thing I can say is I was riding bulls before they started wearing body armor and helmets. The other good thing about rough stock riders.... pussy, pussy, pussy and so much pussy you felt like a God.


in my memory, charles sampson was one of the first to wear a helmet after getting his face collapsed in front of ronald reagan. dont remember why he was riding a bull in front of ronald reagan.

rule of thumb from my youth- dont get in bar fights with bull riders or chuck wagon drivers.

sorry for the threadjack.
 
2012-11-30 04:50:29 PM
Could the increase in heroin have anything to do with the U.S. military guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan? I thought I read that our troops in Afghanistan were guarding the poppy fields in order to keep the local populace from turning against us. However I can't find any reputable source on that so maybe it's just BS. If it is true though, it would explain the large increase in heroin use across the country.
 
2012-11-30 04:54:02 PM
FTA: Where a single oxycodone pill can run from $80 to $100 .

The street price of typical oxy is a couple dollars. For all their contact with drug dealers cops sure get the prices of drugs wrong a lot. I wonder why that is?

/Alcohol is cheap and legal.
//Tramadol is the only thing I've found that works for my back and doesn't make me sleepy.
///It also works very well for depression.
 
2012-11-30 04:55:18 PM

grinding_journalist: bim1154: cyks: FTA: Where a single oxycodone pill can run from $80 to $100 ....

A quick stop at my doctors and I'm on my way to Kentucky.

Yea, me too!
/breaks out calculator

There's simply no way this can be true. A drug user will seek out the high, sure, but they won't pay 5x what they could be paying just so they can have 1 tab of Oxy versus a half gram of heroin. The supply of the pills is still greater than the heroin, even with the restrictions.

I'd believe $100/g for pure oxycodone, but I don't know where you'd find that. Anyone paying $80-$100 for a single pill of ANYTHING is either retarded, or a high school student.


Around here (NC) the normal rate for a single OC is $1 a mg, so a 80mg pill = $80
 
2012-11-30 05:02:41 PM
johnny queso

Bullrider? So in addition to tending toward addiction you are a crazy bastard.

We're you any good?

/from cheyenne and love bullriding.
//watching

I was o.k. but far from being able to say I was championship material. I made the buzzer on a regular basis but others scored higher than me. Luck of the draw.

The thing I can say is I was riding bulls before they started wearing body armor and helmets. The other good thing about rough stock riders.... pussy, pussy, pussy and so much pussy you felt like a God.

in my memory, charles sampson was one of the first to wear a helmet after getting his face collapsed in front of ronald reagan. dont remember why he was riding a bull in front of ronald reagan.

rule of thumb from my youth- dont get in bar fights with bull riders or chuck wagon drivers.

sorry for the threadjack.


I was riding from late 60s (high school rodeos) to about 1978 or there bouts. I think I stopped following rodeos around 81 or so. If I'm not mistaken, right after Lane Frost got killed is when the body armor came into play and then I think after that the hockey helmets.

I'm sure that at some point I may have to find some way to reduce the kinds of aches and pains I have now, but as it stands now, as long as I am moving around, it's bearable.

Not sure about your experiences but once a year my one buddy (x-saddle bronc) and my brother (calf roper and bull dogging) get together and relive our legendary days of yore. I'm sure we are still banned from the "Vagabond Motel" in Roschelle, Illinois if it's still open.
 
2012-11-30 05:08:55 PM

DubyaHater: StreetlightInTheGhetto: DubyaHater: I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet.

Because dealing with heroin addiction (addiction issues + added bonus of probably shared needles, heroin cut with ____, etc. issues!) is better? Or you won't have to deal with those ramifications in your office? Jesus.

Here's the problem. It's when they put on a convincing act, I write a prescription, and 60 minutes later the pharmacy calls saying this person had 3 other prescriptions written for him/her that day. It has the potential to affect my license. I don't my career affected because of some drug seeker.
Yes, I feel bad for drug addicts. They need help. There are social problems that could help (addiction clinics, clean needle programs). However, coming into my office and trying to take advantage of me is something I will not tolerate. So get off your high horse and stop trying to paint me as some insensitive prick.


Yeah, I have to get a monthly script that could also land my doctor in trouble if I was doctor shopping. So I had to provide all kinds of documentation and answer a barrage of questions (including about all past medications which I took and why they weren't effective, when I had been first diagnosed, every doctor I had since the diagnosis and what I had been prescribed by each of them and how much, what I was doing in regards to my behavior that could possibly limit the amount I would need to take) before he wrote a script.

I wouldn't expect any less from him, and if I couldn't answer his questions (with documentation from my previous doctor) he probably wouldn't have given me a script that first visit, as was his right - and I would have understood that. Hell, sucks for me, but I completely understand why.

It sucks if you don't have the time to see patients all that long or develop a relationship with them, but damn, if they're coming in asking for Percocet and you don't have a history of treating that patient? Why would you write it (unless you're in an urgent care / ER setting where you don't have access to patient history)? If you do your due diligence as a doctor, how can you be held liable?

Hell, I have still undiagnosed random bouts of incredibly intense pain (undiagnosed after a ER visit, CAT, Ultrasound, two specialists, and X-Ray, and two doctors later - it's not killing me yet (I hope) and I can't afford any more "we don't know what it is that literally floored you from pain"). My past doctor gave me a Vicodin script that I would take as needed (wasn't often, but when it was bad it was really bad), current doctor wants me to keep a detailed log of certain activities so he can rule out other causes without breaking out more procedures or hitting me up with pain meds. If I was a junkie I somewhat doubt I'd have the patience to do that.

/honest questions
//and just because heroin is on the streets doesn't mean people aren't going to be taking pills whenever they can source them
 
2012-11-30 05:09:04 PM

shroomgirl34: DubyaHater: StreetlightInTheGhetto: DubyaHater: I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet.

Because dealing with heroin addiction (addiction issues + added bonus of probably shared needles, heroin cut with ____, etc. issues!) is better? Or you won't have to deal with those ramifications in your office? Jesus.

Here's the problem. It's when they put on a convincing act, I write a prescription, and 60 minutes later the pharmacy calls saying this person had 3 other prescriptions written for him/her that day. It has the potential to affect my license. I don't my career affected because of some drug seeker.
Yes, I feel bad for drug addicts. They need help. There are social problems that could help (addiction clinics, clean needle programs). However, coming into my office and trying to take advantage of me is something I will not tolerate. So get off your high horse and stop trying to paint me as some insensitive prick.

In all seriousness, what should those of us in real constant pain do? I was diagnosed with one of those made up diseases (first they said lupus then Grave's disease then rheumatoid arthritis then fibromyalgia then settled on scleroderma pfft whatever) so the doctors they kept sending me to "specialist" all wanted to put me on all this horrific medicine that would potentially make me blind or suicidal or have liver failure or you know, DIE. And by refusing to take any of that crap they say they can't treat me because I am an unwilling patient. WHATEVER ... all I want is something to make the pain go away so I can work. Mostly it is ok with OTC stuff but a half a hydro and getting to sleep makes a big difference when you are working seven 12 hour shifts for weeks at a time. Now it's so bad I have been escorted out simply for mentioning "joint pain". That's all it took, appointment over, we don't waste our time on pain patients. Sigh ...


Have you tried Cymbalta? My girlfriend used to get cortisol shots for fibromyalgia in her shoulder. It's been years since then with no reoccurance of pain, so it sems to really work for her.
 
2012-11-30 05:17:38 PM

Tenatra: Now I used to hang out with a few heroin junkies and I've NEVER even heard them mention snorting it. Does anyone actually do that?
I've only seen them smoke or inject it.


I've never heard of anyone smoking it, but I did have a friend who snorted it in college. Sigh. He's okay now, managed to kick his whatever-opiates-he-stumbled-onto habit just before graduation and has been fine since. Injecting it was a line that he simply wouldn't cross, and that plus the fact that he never had a steady connection probably helped keep it in check.

Had a friend of a friend who moved from inhaling to injecting. He just got out of rehab and from what I've heard is doing alright (he actually checked himself *back* into rehab a few months after the first round because he was seeing the signs that he might relapse - probably a good thing).
 
2012-11-30 05:21:07 PM

Stibium: shroomgirl34: DubyaHater: StreetlightInTheGhetto: DubyaHater: I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet. .... Have you tried Cymbalta? My girlfriend used to get cortisol shots for fibromyalgia in her shoulder. It's been years since then with no reoccurance of pain, so it sems to really work for her.

No, I am too afraid of all the side effects, I've seen too many friends have horrific problems after taking some of those medications, I'm j ust joping I can work as much as I can before the symptoms get too bad

 
2012-11-30 05:24:58 PM

A Terrible Human: tricycleracer: Maybe original-recipe Four Loko could have saved us from this scourge.

That doesn't help when you live in a dry town that has fark all to do. Maybe if these little shiathole towns didn't try to kill people via boredom people wouldn't want to get high all the time.


Dear mother of fark, THIS.
 
2012-11-30 05:33:03 PM
This pretty much follows the plot of Oxy-Morons, a decent indy film. It's available on Netflix streaming.
 
2012-11-30 05:36:58 PM
I have chronic pain as a result of a constellation of adverse reactions to an antibiotic. If fluoroquinolone antobiotics were treated like controlled substances instead of handed out like candy every time someone sneezes, I would be in no need of pain killers and not have been forced to spend the last 1.7 years in agonizing non-stop pain unable to work and staring at the wall. As another result of being crippled by Cipro, I've had to move back to Ohio from California. In California, it was relatively easy to get the medication I need to keep my pain at a "tolerable" level. Here, they refuse to give you a recurring script, don't pass messages on the doctors and the doctors, themselves, are wildly ignorant about the side effects drugs like fluoroquinolone antibiotics commonly cause. Naproxen made all my nerve pain worse and made me feel like I was high on crack for 18 hours straight. Cymbalta also increased my nerve pain and threw me into what I believe was the beginning of a manic episode. Acetaminophen decreases the body's stores of L-Glutathione thereby increasing joint pain so you'd have to be a fool to take it or anything containing it for joint problems. NSAIDs and steroids interfere with natural swelling which promotes healing and is required for full healing. All of these things are garbage and cause much worse problems than they may potentially and temporarily help with. My ex is a heroin addict and devolved into being a horrible human being. However, making it difficult for people in actual pain to get medication which makes their lives only tolerable does nothing to stop junkies from scoring fentanyl or bricks of xanax. This game is rigged as backwardly as the media producers refusing to provide paid on demand streaming content to punish pirates; it does nothing to stop illegal practices and only punishes the legitimate customers.
 
2012-11-30 05:42:26 PM
Wow, who could ever foresee something like that happening?
 
2012-11-30 05:52:15 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: It depends on whether you have a realistic definition of failure. I don't think there's any doubt that if pain pills were 50 cents a pop on every street corner that far more high school kids would be strung out on narcotics. Just because it hasn't eliminated a problem doesn't mean it hasn't helped. We still have murders, that doesn't mean laws against murder are a "failure".


Please cite sources that even begin to suggest this would happen. In every country where drugs have been wholesale legalised not only has their been a dramatic reduction in drug related crime (muggings to fund a fix type not just dealing) but also in consumption; Portugal had a major problem when it legalised everything... the rehab programs couldn't take that many people hitting them at once.

The American 'War on Drugs' is working as well as your 'War on Alcohol' did in the 20's... I mean that one worked out really well for ya and I'm glad to see that America as a country does not consume a single drop of... ohh... wait....

Prohibition doesn't work, it sends the wrong message to the wrong people. It tells them that this is risky and dangerous (even if it isn't actually dangerous or risky). Legalising drugs makes them boring.

Besides which the little war you lot have been fighting is tearing apart several South American countries; Mexico being one of them.
 
2012-11-30 05:57:55 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: DubyaHater: StreetlightInTheGhetto: DubyaHater: I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet.

Because dealing with heroin addiction (addiction issues + added bonus of probably shared needles, heroin cut with ____, etc. issues!) is better? Or you won't have to deal with those ramifications in your office? Jesus.

Here's the problem. It's when they put on a convincing act, I write a prescription, and 60 minutes later the pharmacy calls saying this person had 3 other prescriptions written for him/her that day. It has the potential to affect my license. I don't my career affected because of some drug seeker.
Yes, I feel bad for drug addicts. They need help. There are social problems that could help (addiction clinics, clean needle programs). However, coming into my office and trying to take advantage of me is something I will not tolerate. So get off your high horse and stop trying to paint me as some insensitive prick.

Yeah, I have to get a monthly script that could also land my doctor in trouble if I was doctor shopping. So I had to provide all kinds of documentation and answer a barrage of questions (including about all past medications which I took and why they weren't effective, when I had been first diagnosed, every doctor I had since the diagnosis and what I had been prescribed by each of them and how much, what I was doing in regards to my behavior that could possibly limit the amount I would need to take) before he wrote a script.

I wouldn't expect any less from him, and if I couldn't answer his questions (with documentation from my previous doctor) he probably wouldn't have given me a script that first visit, as was his right - and I would have understood that. Hell, sucks for me, but I completely understand why.

It sucks if you don't have the time to see patients all that long or develop a relationship with them, but damn, if the ...


The drug seekers are very good at their game. Doctors get fooled from time to time. As a dentist, patients come in all the time with complaints of toothaches. My regular patients are fine. They're never the problem. It's usually the one-time emergency patients that are the issue. With these patients, you can usually weed out the people truly in need of help vs. the drug seekers. A person states they have pain on a particular tooth, you look at it and see the obvious reason for the pain (decay, tooth fracture, etc). Unfortunately, I'm not perfect and I can get fooled. People lie on their health history form. You sit down and talk with the patient. They give you all the right buzzwords and symptoms. Unfortunately, dentistry (like other professions) isn't so cut and dry. Luckily, in my field, it's usually enough pain meds for a day or two and a referral to a specialist.

I do have all the proper documentation to support my reasons for writing a prescription. I just hate getting that phone call with the pharmacist stating, "You know, Joe Blow has three other prescriptions for Vicodin already". I don't like being fooled. I'm not saying this is a regular occurrence, maybe once a year, if that.

Am I in danger of losing my license for writing a prescription? Probably not. However, there has been a crackdown on narcotics prescriptions and no doctor wants any attention on them. I need my DEA license to practice properly and manage post-op pain from certain procedures. I'd like to keep that license free and clear of any problems.
/I would hate to be a pain management specialist.
//They have it rough.
 
2012-11-30 06:12:12 PM
All the cool hillbillies are going for kratom instead of heroin.
 
2012-11-30 06:12:32 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: but if i did the same thing and ended up in jail for assault i'd have an alcohol problem


Well sure.

Included in the definition for not only addictions but plenty of other mental problems and "disorders" as well is the part about it having an adverse impact on your life. It's not only substance abuse that has that clause in.

If you can't drink three beers without getting in a fight, that means you have a drinking problem at three beers and should probably avoid drinking your three beers when around other people. I don't have a terrible problem with that, really.

Anything to do with the brain is going to show individual variation.

DubyaHater: I do have all the proper documentation to support my reasons for writing a prescription. I just hate getting that phone call with the pharmacist stating, "You know, Joe Blow has three other prescriptions for Vicodin already". I don't like being fooled. I'm not saying this is a regular occurrence, maybe once a year, if that.


Being fooled is never a fun experience. I can see how people would get bitter over it, no one likes that feeling of being taken for a mark.
 
2012-11-30 06:14:58 PM

johnny queso: bim1154: R.A.Danny: bim1154: Lernaeus: R.A.Danny: This is where my Mother in law and two sisters in law are heading. They are a pill popping mess.

I have cousins in the same boat.

The sadness is that I know people with legitimate pain medicine needs that can't get enough pain medication because they've been labeled "drug seekers" by their doctors the DEA.

My sister in law is like another version of Elvis Presley. She takes pills for every farking thing in her imagination and then some. Can't wake up... take a pill, can't go to sleep... take a pill, Can't take a shiat... take a pill, shiat too much... take a pill and the list is long.

We might just be related.

I know my doctor on a personal level as well. It would probably be fairly easy for me to get some good stuff on occasion, but I am fully aware that I have what I call an "addiction gene". I have some pretty good aches and pains from my bull riding days, but to date I have avoided everything stronger than 500mg naproxen and that shiat seizes me up if I take more than 2 a day for 2 consecutive days, so I don't.

Bullrider? So in addition to tending toward addiction you are a crazy bastard.

We're you any good?

/from cheyenne and love bullriding.
//watching


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2012-11-30 06:29:04 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I've never heard of anyone smoking it


It's just like smoking oxy: The casing to a pen, tin foil and a lighter. I guess I've never seen it in a pure powder form though, the stuff I've seen is somewhat sticky.
 
2012-11-30 06:46:31 PM
Seems like everyone I grew up with is an addict. It's either this sort of crap or the opiate of the masses.
 
2012-11-30 06:55:22 PM

Tenatra: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I've never heard of anyone smoking it

It's just like smoking oxy: The casing to a pen, tin foil and a lighter. I guess I've never seen it in a pure powder form though, the stuff I've seen is somewhat sticky.


well gosh darn tootin
try "kratom" it's the "in" thing to do
and it's even illegal in some places cause it causes dependance
like nicotine
or even coffee
 
2012-11-30 07:00:14 PM
Years ago I got blood poisoning from an abscessed tooth after a crown fell off and I didn't have the means to see a dentist. After two days of taking OTC Ibuprofen it stopped helping and I went to the ER. After waiting six hours the doc looked in my mouth and said there was no sign of infection. He also added "we don't give drugs out, see a dentist." So I went home and took way too many Ibuprofen and tried to go to sleep only to wake up with a massive pounding in my jaw. So I went back to the same ER and another doc looked at it and said the same thing, except she gave me a shot of Lydocaine. Which of course only wore off in a few hours.

The following morning my jaw had swollen up to where it looked like I had a golf ball in my cheek and I went back to the same ER and guess what? This is a public hospital connected to a state university with a dental school and they have two fully equipped dental exam rooms right there in the ER. So they make an appointment for me to go to their maxiofacial clinic four days later. By then the swelling was so bad my face looked ghastly. When the doc examined me he found that I had this red line running from my jaw to my heart and started barking orders to the other staff. He then gave me a form to sign and began administering anesthesia. When I woke up the tooth was out and they had cut a hole in the bottom of my jaw to let about 8 oz of puss drain, and I spent the next five days in that hospital getting anti-biotic infusion. When I was discharged they presented me with a $24,000 bill. If I hadn't been so buzzed from all the pain pills they had given me I would have freaked out. I was just happy to be alive.

All I wanted was for them to pull the damn tooth, I never once asked them for any sort of medication. At the time I didn't realize it but this hospital had a big problem with people coming in scamming for pain meds. I thought they were denying me treatment because they were just being cheap. But in hindsight I can see it would have cost them a whole lot less had they just pulled the tooth. I got the bill waived after discussing all that with the people in the billing office.

But it sure pissed me off that I came so close to dying all because some jackwagon thinks all people without the ability to pay a dentist are drug addicts. The whole drug warrior crowd can fark right off as far as I'm concerned.
 
2012-11-30 07:01:51 PM

Vaneshi: Please cite sources that even begin to suggest this would happen. In every country where drugs have been wholesale legalised not only has their been a dramatic reduction in drug related crime (muggings to fund a fix type not just dealing) but also in consumption; Portugal had a major problem when it legalised everything... the rehab programs couldn't take that many people hitting them at once.


Um, Portugal didn't "legalize everything". Drug possession and use is still against the law, just not a major crime including a prison sentence in some cases. You do realize you need a prescription to get pain pills there right, just like in the US.? You can't just go to the pharmacist and order up a pound of Oxy's for the weekend - just like in the U.S.? Okay, maybe you didn't. Go ahead and read a little about it, instead of repeating what you heard about it on fark, and then get back to us. It's hard to know how to respond to the rest of your post when nothing you just said is true.
 
2012-11-30 08:18:29 PM

snowybunting: [dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com image 317x307]

It's my life, and it's my wife.


Came here for this! Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-11-30 08:18:54 PM

Lernaeus: R.A.Danny: This is where my Mother in law and two sisters in law are heading. They are a pill popping mess.

Sorry to hear that man. I lost my mom and sister that way. All started innocently enough with getting hurt and some surgeries and never went away. Over and over rehab didn't do a thing. Between the two they went thru nearly 60k of my Moms in about 3 yrs. Rough times.

I have cousins in the same boat.

The sadness is that I know people with legitimate pain medicine needs that can't get enough pain medication because they've been labeled "drug seekers" by their doctors the DEA.


I know and that's a damn shame. Its become entirely ridiculous and taken way too far. I know plenty of people in the same boat too and I'll have to include myself. I've got metal parts from head to toe, including both hips. Spinal cord surgeries and nerve damage. I don't want or need a lot, just enough to get comfortable enough to sleep. Pain clinics just want to sell you farkin' injections that don't work. That's what started my sister down her path. She had great insurance and made big bucks as a critical care cardiac nurse working for the hospital that ran the pain clinic, As soon as a date came around that insurance would allow and injection she had an appt and every month she had her prescriptions. When she finally said the injections really weren't helping she was labeled an addict and dismissed. They don't make enough money writing prescriptions to pay anesthesiologists since its a goddamn specialty now. Yeah of course injecting steroids around a nerve takes skill, but the people I know say it doesn't do much good. The only good is for the hospital or clinic when they bill the fark out your insurance for it. Nothing pisses me off more than to see vulnerable people, young and old and disabled, being taken advantage of by someone welding that much power. War on drugs against people who need it is more like it.

/ Fark 'em. I don't need it that bad. I'll figure something else out
//It's just a scam and another reason to fix healthcare.
///Sorry for the rant, but when I see comments like these guys made it hits home and really pisses me off
 
2012-11-30 08:32:05 PM
back in my younger years,i did heroin from time to time and it was a great buzz,but didnt last anywhere near 24 hours,5 or 6 at the most.diladid as well.but i always knew it wasnt something you could do on a regular basis as it would lead to a habit.knew a lot of folks who went down that path and all of them are dead now. mostly liver failures,didnt have the aids problem back then or at least it wasnt recognized at the time. i do know that hard core users will take whatever they can get. back then,there was a mixture of pills called "t's and blue's that some would take that had nearly the same effect. yes,i tried them. was kinda like an opiate high.
 
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