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(Lexington Herald Leader)   Thanks to the War On Pain Pills, now real hillbillies are using real heroin   (kentucky.com) divider line 217
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2012-11-30 10:31:43 AM  
Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

I mean, even the Confederacy realized they had lost and surrendered.
 
2012-11-30 10:43:05 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

I mean, even the Confederacy realized they had lost and surrendered.


Since when?
 
2012-11-30 10:43:34 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

I mean, even the Confederacy realized they had lost and surrendered.


The drug war hasn't killed quite as many Americans as the civil war, but it's probably cost more and destroyed nearly as many families.
 
2012-11-30 10:45:37 AM  
This is where my Mother in law and two sisters in law are heading. They are a pill popping mess.
 
2012-11-30 10:51:33 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

 

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2012-11-30 10:57:08 AM  

sigdiamond2000: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history? 

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Cop Rock wasn't a failure, it was just 20 years ahead of its time.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:09 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

I mean, even the Confederacy realized they had lost and surrendered.


Indeed. It is widely reported that you can get booze and pretty much any drug you want in prison. At an inflated price that reflects the risks involved, of course, but still. If you can get anything you want in that restrictive environment, you're a fool if you think you're ever going to stop people from getting the drugs they want.

My solution: Treat substance abuse as a public health issue rather than a criminal one.

My not so CSB: In our sleepy little town, within a year there were two fatal overdoses. They had been taking oxycodone patches (time-release, like nicotine patches), slicing them open and chewing on whatever was inside. They might as well have been doing heroin.
 
2012-11-30 11:13:15 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: sigdiamond2000: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

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Cop Rock wasn't a failure, it was just 20 years ahead of its time.


Hmm. I never thought about it that way.
 
2012-11-30 11:13:38 AM  
Why not just let people have whatever pills they want?

I'm serious.
 
2012-11-30 11:14:04 AM  
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2012-11-30 11:14:44 AM  

sigdiamond2000: FirstNationalBastard: sigdiamond2000: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

[ferdyonfilms.com image 434x231]

Cop Rock wasn't a failure, it was just 20 years ahead of its time.

Hmm. I never thought about it that way.


I still think if Cop Rock had been resurrected in the period right after Glee came along, it would have been a hit.
 
2012-11-30 11:15:45 AM  
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2012-11-30 11:15:57 AM  
Ain't nuthing illegal until you get caught. - Tickle
 
2012-11-30 11:16:05 AM  
What is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?
METH AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA?!!?!
 
2012-11-30 11:16:06 AM  
I heard a rumor once that marijuana can assist with pain relief.

I don't believe it though. If that were true, it'd have been considered as a viable option.
 
2012-11-30 11:16:27 AM  
Stepping on up from meth and moonshine?
 
2012-11-30 11:18:35 AM  
FTA: Where a single oxycodone pill can run from $80 to $100 ....

A quick stop at my doctors and I'm on my way to Kentucky.
 
2012-11-30 11:18:40 AM  
We prefer the term "Appalachian American"
 
2012-11-30 11:18:42 AM  
Dope is for dopes.

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We're all stars now in the dope show.
 
2012-11-30 11:19:24 AM  
As God intended.
 
2012-11-30 11:19:52 AM  
I'm sure the increased supply of heroin has little to nothing to do with our liberating Afghanistan. That said some people seem to have an internal need to destroy themselves.
 
2012-11-30 11:20:22 AM  
FTFA: "We didn't know it was going to be heroin. We knew something was going to replace pills."

You don't say....

Did they think the replacement would be caffeine?
 
2012-11-30 11:20:40 AM  
now that is what i call winning the drug war. I bet those police are slapping each other on the back and telling each other what a great job they are doing. nothing beats a heroin addict.
 
2012-11-30 11:21:33 AM  
"We were like, 'Heroin? Where did that come from?" Mark said.

Pay attention! They just said it.


is imported into the United States from Mexico and Central America. It's first going to Illinois, Michigan and Ohio, then migrating across the Ohio River into Kentucky.
 
2012-11-30 11:23:11 AM  
Darwin is busy in the sleepy hollows. If someone decides not to live their life but to stay in a dream world we should make it easy for them. That way they can OD before they reproduce
 
2012-11-30 11:23:14 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?


It depends on whether you have a realistic definition of failure. I don't think there's any doubt that if pain pills were 50 cents a pop on every street corner that far more high school kids would be strung out on narcotics. Just because it hasn't eliminated a problem doesn't mean it hasn't helped. We still have murders, that doesn't mean laws against murder are a "failure".
 
2012-11-30 11:24:25 AM  

Dreyelle: FTFA: "We didn't know it was going to be heroin. We knew something was going to replace pills."

You don't say....

Did they think the replacement would be caffeine?


Heh. farking opiates, how do they work?
 
2012-11-30 11:26:35 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

It depends on whether you have a realistic definition of failure. I don't think there's any doubt that if pain pills were 50 cents a pop on every street corner that far more high school kids would be strung out on narcotics. Just because it hasn't eliminated a problem doesn't mean it hasn't helped. We still have murders, that doesn't mean laws against murder are a "failure".


However, locking up addicts and pretending that's going to solve the problem instead of trying to fix the underlying causes of the addiction that they're probably going to immediately go back to once they get out, especially since they just rotted in prison for essentially no good reason, because we either really like vengeance, or because Prison owners need to make money... that's failure.
 
2012-11-30 11:26:49 AM  
Yet another reason why the "War on Drugs" will never succeed. The government ends up playing whack-a-mole.

Seriously, if we took the route of Portugal, and treated it as a public health issue rather than a criminal issue...we'd have more success.
 
2012-11-30 11:26:59 AM  

Dreyelle: FTFA: "We didn't know it was going to be heroin. We knew something was going to replace pills."

You don't say....

Did they think the replacement would be caffeine?


Maybe original-recipe Four Loko could have saved us from this scourge.
 
2012-11-30 11:27:31 AM  

Lunaville: I'm sure the increased supply of heroin has little to nothing to do with our liberating Afghanistan. That said some people seem to have an internal need to destroy themselves.


It's more of a need to self-medicate. Opiate addicts can be perfectly functional in society. It's the lack of a clean, cheap, and and reliable opium source that does all the damage.
 
2012-11-30 11:29:44 AM  
"There's always some type of drug to step up when another gets taken out," said Dan Smoot, law enforcement director of Operation UNITE, ... "We didn't know it was going to be heroin. We knew something was going to replace pills."

I don't understand how officer Smoot can say this and not immediately conclude "therefore, the war on drugs is doomed to be a complete failure and waste of money."

The people who are going to take drugs are going to take drugs no matter what; we aren't going to convince them to stop. If you remove one drug, they will find another, and that new one might be worse. We really have to start treating drug addiction as a health issue, rather than a law enforcement issue. The drug war is costing us too much for no socially useful results.
 
2012-11-30 11:29:54 AM  

Dirtybird971: "We were like, 'Heroin? Where did that come from?" Mark said.

Pay attention! They just said it.

is imported into the United States from Mexico and Central America. It's first going to Illinois, Michigan and Ohio, then migrating across the Ohio River into Kentucky.


Or you can just grow your own poppies.

www.plant-and-flower-guide.com
 
2012-11-30 11:33:09 AM  
I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet.
 
2012-11-30 11:34:12 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the war on drugs... has there been a bigger failure in this nation's history?

I mean, even the Confederacy realized they had lost and surrendered.


But politicians need the votes of middle-aged men that wear suits and have lots of money and 'investments'; also those senile old people.

/visiting my Father-In-Law this weekend - He'll launch into one of his tirades about 'kids that take drugs' again, even though himself he takes enough goddamn pills to rattle.  Hypocrite.
 
2012-11-30 11:34:27 AM  

DubyaHater: I'm fine with that. I just want the druggies to stop coming into my office and telling me they need pain pills, but are allergic to everything but 10mg Percocet.


The chewable ones, right? Those nearly killed my MIL and one SIL one night, and neither one said what they were on and were about to let each other die before the Dr.s figured it out.
 
2012-11-30 11:36:38 AM  
"There's always some type of drug to step up when another gets taken out," said Dan Smoot, law enforcement director of Operation UNITE, which handles drug investigations in 29 eastern Kentucky counties where pain pill abuse had been rampant. "We didn't know it was going to be heroin. We knew something was going to replace pills."

And herein lies the problem. Not only can you not 'win' the war on drugs, even when you make progress (cut off the supply of pills), it makes absolutely no difference.
 
2012-11-30 11:37:43 AM  

doczoidberg: Why not just let people have whatever pills they want?

I'm serious.


...........................Nut even sure how to respond
 
2012-11-30 11:40:35 AM  
"In many cases, heroin, like pain pills dissolved in water, is being injected, snorted and smoked"

Nice sentence. Any editors working for this rag?
If pain pills were dissolved in water, they probably wouldn't snort or smoke too well.
Or maybe I'm wrong? Perhaps water is flammable with the dissolved drugs in it??
 
2012-11-30 11:42:06 AM  

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2012-11-30 11:29:54 AM

Dirtybird971: "We were like, 'Heroin? Where did that come from?" Mark said.

Pay attention! They just said it.

is imported into the United States from Mexico and Central America. It's first going to Illinois, Michigan and Ohio, then migrating across the Ohio River into Kentucky.

Or you can just grow your own poppies.

www.plant-and-flower-guide.com


If only it was that easy.
 
2012-11-30 11:42:09 AM  
It's a culling.
 
2012-11-30 11:42:15 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: We still have murders, that doesn't mean laws against murder are a "failure".



You might feel differently if the police were charging people with murder simply because they owned a gun, confiscating vehicles because the trunk vaguely smells of your dead pet you took to the vet last year, confiscating cash and making people prove the money was not earned from a murder contract, etc.

But in the war on drugs, police do these things every day.
 
2012-11-30 11:43:29 AM  

cyks: FTA: Where a single oxycodone pill can run from $80 to $100 ....

A quick stop at my doctors and I'm on my way to Kentucky.


Yea, me too!
/breaks out calculator
 
2012-11-30 11:45:01 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: However, locking up addicts and pretending that's going to solve the problem instead of trying to fix the underlying causes of the addiction that they're probably going to immediately go back to once they get out, especially since they just rotted in prison for essentially no good reason, because we either really like vengeance, or because Prison owners need to make money... that's failure.


I would agree we need more focus on treatment and social root causes. I do however disagree with the "legalize everything" crowd. I think that's naive and would be socially disastrous. Unfortunately, many people who repeat the "drug war is a failure" rhetoric fall into the latter category. If you had just made a comment about addiction treatment to start with, instead of a very soundbitish one liner about "failure" I probably would have just agreed with you.
 
2012-11-30 11:45:45 AM  
FTA: Where a single oxycodone pill can run from $80 to $100, heroin can cost as little as $15 to $20 for a hit that will give the user the same high for 24 hours, said Van Ingram, executive director for the Kentucky Office of Drug Control Policy.

Bullshiat.
 
2012-11-30 11:46:46 AM  
where to start...

oh sweet opiates, that ought to slow down the meth production.

A Terrible Human: tricycleracer: Maybe original-recipe Four Loko could have saved us from this scourge.

That doesn't help when you live in a dry town that has fark all to do. Maybe if these little shiathole towns didn't try to kill people via boredom people wouldn't want to get high all the time.


have they tried religion? i am sure if you spend enough time digging around in the 'good book' you could find all kinds of rational for new and interdasting 'blue laws'

Lunaville: I'm sure the increased supply of heroin has little to nothing to do with our liberating Afghanistan. That said some people seem to have an internal need to destroy themselves.


well they have access to alcohol and sleeping pills, so i don't see what the need is for all these illegal shenanigans
 
2012-11-30 11:48:45 AM  

bim1154: cyks: FTA: Where a single oxycodone pill can run from $80 to $100 ....

A quick stop at my doctors and I'm on my way to Kentucky.

Yea, me too!
/breaks out calculator


There's simply no way this can be true. A drug user will seek out the high, sure, but they won't pay 5x what they could be paying just so they can have 1 tab of Oxy versus a half gram of heroin. The supply of the pills is still greater than the heroin, even with the restrictions.

I'd believe $100/g for pure oxycodone, but I don't know where you'd find that. Anyone paying $80-$100 for a single pill of ANYTHING is either retarded, or a high school student.
 
2012-11-30 11:49:07 AM  

Evil Mackerel: It's a culling.


RIP Edward Cullen
 
2012-11-30 11:49:40 AM  

R.A.Danny: This is where my Mother in law and two sisters in law are heading. They are a pill popping mess.


I have cousins in the same boat.

The sadness is that I know people with legitimate pain medicine needs that can't get enough pain medication because they've been labeled "drug seekers" by their doctors the DEA.
 
2012-11-30 11:49:42 AM  

slayer199: Yet another reason why the "War on Drugs" will never succeed. The government ends up playing whack-a-mole.

Seriously, if we took the route of Portugal, and treated it as a public health issue rather than a criminal issue...we'd have more success.


Yeah, but Portugal has less of a puritan epidemic than does the US. The War on (Some) Drugs won't stop--like so many other wrong-headed, anti-freedom policies--until the system bankrupts itself. The shiatbags who advocate for these church laws have religious conviction on their side, and are thus unencumbered by issues related to conscience when confronted by the damage their laws cause. Godliness through legislation FTW.
 
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