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(CNN)   GOP to Obama administration: You guys better get serious about this fiscal cliff matter and start acting like adults or we're going to pick up our toys and go home   (cnn.com ) divider line 361
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2012-11-30 10:18:37 AM  
Welcome to life without leverage GOP.
 
2012-11-30 10:18:37 AM  
Note to GOP:

1.bp.blogspot.com

Everyone knows what you're doing here.. It's pathetic.
 
2012-11-30 10:21:17 AM  
Note to GOP: POTUS offered up a serious proposal, and your Senate leader literally laughed it out of the room. So, either pony up your own ideas, or STFU and deal with it.
 
2012-11-30 10:21:59 AM  
farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.
 
2012-11-30 10:27:05 AM  
near as I can figure, the GOP has two goals here:

1. punish the country. they're mad as hell that the country FIRMLY rejected their ideology. the GOP sees the voters as petulant spoiled children and they want to take every voter out back to the woodshed and paddle us till we love the Republican party again.

2. push the country into near chaos and use that as leverage to win in 2014. that's the plan. the Republicans see pain and suffering of US citizens as a means to advance their political agenda(s). if the country gets desperate enough, maybe voters will forget all that religious theocracy stuff and turn to the Republicans to save themselves from all the stuff Obama has done.
 
2012-11-30 10:29:54 AM  

FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.


they're gonna dig in their heels. what you have to understand is that the Republicans really do believe that THEY are in the right, that their ideology is the ONLY way to run this country. they see this as one of two things: 1. a fight between good and evil or 2. a fight to save their power and position from creeping communism and evil leftists. they're not gonna make deals when they're terrified of seeing Obama score even a minor victory.
 
2012-11-30 10:32:47 AM  
Oh, and before the "but the Dems don't want entitlement reform" crowd gets here:

1. The plan the GOP just rejected had $400B in entitlement reforms baked in
2. Dems have said tirelessly in the last few weeks that while they can stomach a bit of reform in a fiscal cliff deal, the subject deserves its own debate, in the new Congress, after the cliff is averted. Why? Because the cliff is easily fixable, once you look past the derp on both sides.
3. In case Social Security comes up, the fix there is incredibly simple - raise the income cap on SS contributions, and the program is solvent for at least another half century.
 
2012-11-30 10:37:58 AM  
I like how Boehner is mad that the WH has no interest in listening to him repeating Romney campaign lines, like that's a totally reasonable thing to do and we should really "compromise" on agreeing with him.
 
2012-11-30 10:39:35 AM  

GAT_00: I like how Boehner is mad that the WH has no interest in listening to him repeating Romney campaign lines, like that's a totally reasonable thing to do and we should really "compromise" on agreeing with him.


yeah, but to be fair - the GOP really does seem to believe in their echo chamber bullshiat.
 
2012-11-30 10:42:49 AM  
LOLGOP
 
2012-11-30 10:51:53 AM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: I like how Boehner is mad that the WH has no interest in listening to him repeating Romney campaign lines, like that's a totally reasonable thing to do and we should really "compromise" on agreeing with him.

yeah, but to be fair - the GOP really does seem to believe in their echo chamber bullshiat.


They've lost their connection to reality. That will happen when all you listen to is your own bullshiat.
 
2012-11-30 10:52:09 AM  
A group of people who signed a pledge written by a 2nd grader is telling the president to act like an adult.
 
2012-11-30 10:54:44 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: GAT_00: I like how Boehner is mad that the WH has no interest in listening to him repeating Romney campaign lines, like that's a totally reasonable thing to do and we should really "compromise" on agreeing with him.

yeah, but to be fair - the GOP really does seem to believe in their echo chamber bullshiat.

They've lost their connection to reality. That will happen when all you listen to is your own bullshiat.


the GOP does seem to be a bit out there these days.
 
2012-11-30 10:56:44 AM  
The plan includes $50 billion in stimulus spending and a home mortgage refinancing package, a Republican aide told CNN. Obama would work on $400 billion savings in Medicare and other entitlements next year, without specifying where they'd come from, the aide says.

Watch them try to spin that as cutting people's benefits, like they did the last time.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:04 AM  

FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.



I think the attitude is, "You won the election.  You fix the problem."
 
2012-11-30 11:11:11 AM  

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.


I think the attitude is, "You won the election.  You fix the problem."


if they won, they would be whining that Obama didn't do enough to fix the problem.
 
2012-11-30 11:11:24 AM  

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.


I think the attitude is, "You won the election.  You fix the problem."


so basically the Republicans are being whiny biatches. that's just wonderful.
 
2012-11-30 11:11:59 AM  

sweetmelissa31: A group of people who signed a pledge written by a 2nd grader is telling the president to act like an adult.


Seventh grader. Norquist was in the 7th grade when he came up with his plan. A true wunderkind, that Grover.
 
2012-11-30 11:13:07 AM  
Obama's best options:

1. do nothing, let deadlines pass.
2. cut taxes for everyone but upper 2%, retoactive to jan. 1
3. Rub republicans nose in it (profit).
 
2012-11-30 11:13:11 AM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.


I think the attitude is, "You won the election.  You fix the problem."

so basically the Republicans are being whiny biatches. that's just wonderful typical.


Fixed
 
2012-11-30 11:14:03 AM  

Weaver95: I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.


I think the attitude is, "You won the election.  You fix the problem."

so basically the Republicans are being whiny biatches. that's just wonderful.



This is politics.  The art of compromise.  Learn it. Live it. Love it.  And if you want the GOP to help, then you compromise.  If the GOP wants the Dems to help, then compromise. 
 
But when you just spent a billion dollars claiming one side is evil and hates everything the US stands for, don't be too surprised when compromise is hard to come by.
 
2012-11-30 11:16:42 AM  

I_C_Weener:
This is politics.  The art of compromise.  Learn it. Live it. Love it.  And if you want the GOP to help, then you compromise.  If the GOP wants the Dems to help, then compromise. 
 
But when you just spent a billion dollars claiming one side is evil and hates everything the US stands for, don't be too surprised when compromise is hard to come by.


that's true, the GOP did spend a LOT of money calling Obama evil. I guess they can't suddenly change course in mid-stream without causing enough cognitive dissonance that even the dittoheads would notice.
 
2012-11-30 11:17:27 AM  

vernonFL: sweetmelissa31: A group of people who signed a pledge written by a 2nd grader is telling the president to act like an adult.

Seventh grader. Norquist was in the 7th grade when he came up with his plan. A true wunderkind, that Grover.


Oh wow, it took him till seventh grade to write "taxes bad"? I was giving him too much credit.
 
2012-11-30 11:19:55 AM  
This is strange. My HTML stopped working, but clearly it's working for everyone else since people are quoting. Have to do this the hard way.

Oh wow, it took him till seventh grade to write "taxes bad"? I was giving him too much credit.

It's OK, his intelligence level hasn't advanced since 7th Grade.
 
2012-11-30 11:20:15 AM  
They want to "broaden the base". Which is, of course, code for tax poor people more.
 
2012-11-30 11:26:50 AM  
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2012-11-30 11:26:56 AM  
So, they're betting on America looking the other way twice, especially when we get to pull out the examples from last time (especially since Obama and even the Chamber of Commerce are talking about including the debt ceiling in any tax deal).
 
2012-11-30 11:26:58 AM  
How dare Obama put forward an initial proposal consistent with the platform he was recently re-elected on my a majority of Americans? How dare he insinuate that the United States is a democracy?
 
2012-11-30 11:28:01 AM  
He gave you 98% of what you wanted and you reneged on your end of the deal (DoD cuts) so fark off GOP.
 
2012-11-30 11:28:12 AM  
fta House Speaker John Boehner declared himself disappointed that "no substantive progress" has occurred in two weeks of talks, saying Republicans were waiting for the White House to propose significant spending cuts.

How about none? Is none good for you? So the Republicans are screaming for spending cuts, but are unable to articulate any specific cuts, and instead are waiting for Obama to propose them? They just want Obama to move first so they can use whatever he says against him in the right-wing media. Fine. None. I'm ok with none.
 
2012-11-30 11:29:00 AM  
One of the things that irritate me about these articles is they don't specify the time frame. I mean 1.6 trillion dollars over how long? Because if we instantly get 1.6 trillion in new revenue in 2013, well the dam deficit just got closed, on top of 400 million dollars in new government spending cuts in 2013 and the debt will start to go down.
 
2012-11-30 11:29:27 AM  
The worst part of all this is that even if we were to agree to all the tax increases and spending cuts, we *still* wouldn't have a balanced budget.
 
2012-11-30 11:29:29 AM  

Weaver95: so basically the Republicans are being whiny biatches.


[checks calendar]

Yep, it ends in a "Y."
 
2012-11-30 11:30:07 AM  

vernonFL: The worst part of all this is that even if we were to agree to all the tax increases and spending cuts, we *still* wouldn't have a balanced budget.


legalize cannabis and bring troops home from the desert.
 
2012-11-30 11:30:13 AM  
So here's the long and the short of it.

The Democrats want some tax hikes and some spending cuts.
The GOP doesn't want any tax hikes or spending cuts, and threatens to stop talking about an agreement.
If no agreement is reached, taxes will rise and spending will be cut.

How does the GOP think they have any leverage at all?
 
2012-11-30 11:31:06 AM  

vernonFL: sweetmelissa31: A group of people who signed a pledge written by a 2nd grader is telling the president to act like an adult.

Seventh grader. Norquist was in the 7th grade when he came up with his plan. A true wunderkind, that Grover.


Was he actually?

Cause I can totally see a 12-yr old Grover in the 2nd grade.

/whar transcripts whar?
 
2012-11-30 11:31:37 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: One of the things that irritate me about these articles is they don't specify the time frame. I mean 1.6 trillion dollars over how long? Because if we instantly get 1.6 trillion in new revenue in 2013, well the dam deficit just got closed, on top of 400 million dollars in new government spending cuts in 2013 and the debt will start to go down.


Most of the figures coming out in discussions recently are based on a 10 year period.
 
2012-11-30 11:31:46 AM  
Stop with the "hey look, we're compromising in the spirit of bipartisanship!" nonsense, democrats. The republitards lost, so fark them. Just ram your shiat through already.
 
2012-11-30 11:34:04 AM  

guilt by association: Stop with the "hey look, we're compromising in the spirit of bipartisanship!" nonsense, democrats. The republitards lost, so fark them. Just ram your shiat through already.


Can't ram shiat through when you need the cooperation of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.
 
2012-11-30 11:34:07 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: One of the things that irritate me about these articles is they don't specify the time frame. I mean 1.6 trillion dollars over how long? Because if we instantly get 1.6 trillion in new revenue in 2013, well the dam deficit just got closed, on top of 400 million dollars in new government spending cuts in 2013 and the debt will start to go down.


That bothers me too, but I've started taking numbers like that as "over ten years" unless it states otherwise.

Another thing that bothers me, new and existing spending stuff is projected over that ten year time frame, but military spending is always presented as a one year budget thing.

Let's project the cost of the military over ten years. Yeah, there are always unexpected expenditures, but there has to be some baseline cost the CBO can project.
 
2012-11-30 11:34:35 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Note to GOP: POTUS offered up a serious proposal, and your Senate leader literally laughed it out of the room. So, either pony up your own ideas, or STFU and deal with it.


See they expect this Obama administration to act like the last Obama administration, which was one that tried to work with them, tried to be civil, tried to be bi-partisan and got shiat all over. In 09, 10, and 11 we the base were screaming at him for being to consolatory.

Well President Obama learned the number one rule of negotiation, don't negotiate with your self. Rule number two is your first proposal should always be everything you want +20%.

The Republicans are in shock, they will spend the next week, maybe two trying to turn public opinion against Obama and when that does not work may actually start negotiating around the 15th or 16th of December. If they do not expect too much or become completely intractable they may avoid the "fiscal cliff".

They are desperate to avoid the "fiscal cliff", because why it will suck for middle c lass and poor Americans it will suck a whole lot more for their constituents the 1%ers. So, there is some home we will get a decent deal, but personally I hope we go over that dam cliff.
 
2012-11-30 11:34:45 AM  

qorkfiend: So here's the long and the short of it.

The Democrats want some tax hikes and some spending cuts.
The GOP doesn't want any tax hikes or spending cuts, and threatens to stop talking about an agreement.
If no agreement is reached, taxes will rise and spending will be cut.

How does the GOP think they have any leverage at all?


They're hoping the cliff hits and causes the recession to deepen. Rightists have never shied away from causing pain and destruction and then using it to justify causing more.
 
2012-11-30 11:35:11 AM  
It's abundantly clear to everyone except the terrorist sympathizers that the GOP is the biggest threat facing America today.
 
2012-11-30 11:35:19 AM  
You went all-or-nothing by taking the nation's fiscal solvency hostage before the last election. You lost.

That means you get nothing. That's not my fault, it's yours. Obama offered the Grand Bargain and you slapped it out of his hands. Now you have to deal with the fact that you get nothing. Frankly, you should be giving up concessions just to get a seat at the table to plead your case for being spared some of the damage you're bringing on yourselves.

You lose. You get nothing. Good day.
 
2012-11-30 11:35:52 AM  
House Speaker John Boehner declared himself disappointed that "no substantive progress" has occurred in two weeks of talks, saying Republicans were waiting for the White House to propose significant spending cuts.

Farking Shartbama, we're waiting on you to start the ball rolling. It's straight out of the farking Constitution:

Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the [White] House
 
2012-11-30 11:36:31 AM  
My conviction that Republicans cannot govern at the national level remains unchanged.

I just amazed how much worse the GOP sucks even when they're not in the majority.
 
2012-11-30 11:37:19 AM  

ManateeGag: I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: farking children. they lost the election. they lost seats in both houses. the vast majority of americans want taxes raised on the wealthy. yet they refuse to budge a single farking inch.


I think the attitude is, "You won the election.  You fix the problem."

if they won, they would be whining that Obama didn't do enough to fix the problem.


Kind of like how the Dems blamed everything on Bush.
 
2012-11-30 11:37:44 AM  
Republicans were waiting for the White House to propose significant spending cuts.

Hey, idiots, that's your farking job. Not only is it your farking job, it's apparently easy and obvious:

It's very clear what kind of spending cuts need to occur

If you want them, and it's clear what they need to be, then do it, propose them, you god damned assholes.
 
2012-11-30 11:38:16 AM  

lennavan: Farking Shartbama, we're waiting on you to start the ball rolling. It's straight out of the farking Constitution:

Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the [White] House


LOL!!! I see what you did there. :-)

/*golf clap*
 
2012-11-30 11:38:21 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: qorkfiend: So here's the long and the short of it.

The Democrats want some tax hikes and some spending cuts.
The GOP doesn't want any tax hikes or spending cuts, and threatens to stop talking about an agreement.
If no agreement is reached, taxes will rise and spending will be cut.

How does the GOP think they have any leverage at all?

They're hoping the cliff hits and causes the recession to deepen. Rightists have never shied away from causing pain and destruction and then using it to justify causing more.


What recession?
 
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