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(InformationWeek)   Steve Balmer believes hardware is the key to Microsoft's future   (informationweek.com) divider line 76
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2012-11-30 11:02:01 AM  
No, dude. Here's how you get successful:

1. Check out the open source community to see what they're developing.
2. Make your own proprietary version. Claim to have invented the tech.
3. Patent that tech!
4. If anyone makes anything remotely similar, sue them. Even if they made it before you did, sue them.
5. Spread a lot of money around the legal system.
 
2012-11-30 11:07:02 AM  
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2012-11-30 11:37:28 AM  
How about.... making good products? Not relying on vendor lock-in to push some mid level executive's idea of 'hip software design'?
 
2012-11-30 11:41:05 AM  
Regrettably, this seems to be the next "thing." My company included.
 
2012-11-30 11:46:40 AM  
Web 2.0 enabled social networking hardware
 
2012-11-30 11:56:40 AM  
My take on Apple's success:

1) Apple looks at emerging tech and figures out how to turn it into a product people want. Apple is rarely (if ever?) first to the market, but is usually the first to get it right.
2) Apple makes complete systems, which means both hardware and software.
3) Apple is decisive. They don't hesitate to throw out old tech.
4) Apple had a leader with vision. (not sure what's going to happen now that he's gone. Hope the Maps debacle isn't a sign of things to come)

By comparison:

1) Microsoft imitates products after they've become a success, and their product is usually an inferior imitation. (IMO, of course)
2) Microsoft only makes half the system, the software half. Then expects a zillion other companies to make hardware for it.
3) ?
4) Gates. Ballmer. Nuff said.
 
2012-11-30 11:57:25 AM  

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If anything, Windows 8 takes a big steaming Hot Karl all over developers. MSFT is trying to tell them to write for a new programming platform with about 1% of the current market share. Metro a/k/a "Windows App Store Interface Apps" won't run on Windows 7 or Windows XP, which most companies have. Metro cannot be managed by group policy, which most companies leverage through Active Directory to control their desktop experience for end users.

If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.
 
2012-11-30 12:01:47 PM  

syrynxx: If anything, Windows 8 takes a big steaming Hot Karl all over developers. MSFT is trying to tell them to write for a new programming platform with about 1% of the current market share. Metro a/k/a "Windows App Store Interface Apps" won't run on Windows 7 or Windows XP, which most companies have. Metro cannot be managed by group policy, which most companies leverage through Active Directory to control their desktop experience for end users.

If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.


*sigh*

traditional desktop applications written in the traditional APIs still work on all versions of Windows EXCEPT Windows RT/Windows Phone.

ModernUI Apps work on RT, Phone and x86/x64 Windows 8
 
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2012-11-30 12:12:03 PM  

syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.


But, but... tablets. They heard tablets are where it's at. Social 2.0 tablets need finger-moving!
 
2012-11-30 12:17:49 PM  

Kazan: traditional desktop applications written in the traditional APIs still work on all versions of Windows EXCEPT Windows RT/Windows Phone.

ModernUI Apps work on RT, Phone and x86/x64 Windows 8


I know. The whole point of grafting Metro onto Windows 8, however, was to 'encourage' developers to write Windows App Store Interface apps because it would have such a large installed base once enough Best Buy laptops preloaded with Windows 8 are in consumer space. If only tablets had come out with the nee-Metro apps, no one would write to that format over iPad/Android apps.

Is Microsoft encouraging developers to write new applications in traditional APIs? No. It's certainly allowed, but the encouragement is on Windows App Store Interface apps.

We should also remember what a lousy hardware company Microsoft is other than peripherals. They took a billion-dollar writeoff for the poor circuit board design of the XBox for several generations until they finally got to a version that could handle the heat without circuits separating from the motherboard and causing a RROD.
 
2012-11-30 12:27:08 PM  

syrynxx: I know. The whole point of grafting Metro onto Windows 8, however, was to 'encourage' developers to write Windows App Store Interface apps because it would have such a large installed base once enough Best Buy laptops preloaded with Windows 8 are in consumer space. If only tablets had come out with the nee-Metro apps, no one would write to that format over iPad/Android apps.

Is Microsoft encouraging developers to write new applications in traditional APIs? No. It's certainly allowed, but the encouragement is on Windows App Store Interface apps.


that is a creative portrayal of the situation.


syrynxx: They took a billion-dollar writeoff for the poor circuit board design of the XBox for several generations until they finally got to a version that could handle the heat without circuits separating from the motherboard and causing a RROD.


you *might* want to check the accurate of this statement. i could be improved. (you've taken a few basically accurate piece of information, and strung them together in a grossly inaccurate way)
 
2012-11-30 12:31:16 PM  

syrynxx: We should also remember what a lousy hardware company Microsoft is other than peripherals. They took a billion-dollar writeoff for the poor circuit board design of the XBox for several generations until they finally got to a version that could handle the heat without circuits separating from the motherboard and causing a RROD.


Yes, this is true. But for those of us who don't game on Xboxes, this was comedy gold. Microsoft brought mirth like very few companies could.
 
2012-11-30 12:33:09 PM  

syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.


"Bob"
 
2012-11-30 12:38:42 PM  
Getting rid of Balmer is the key to Microsofts future
 
2012-11-30 12:41:53 PM  
Sounds like the same mistake SUN made.
 
2012-11-30 12:44:55 PM  
You know, a fella could swear y'all are talking about Larry Ellison
 
2012-11-30 12:50:29 PM  

Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.

"Bob"


clippy?
 
2012-11-30 12:53:47 PM  
So will they be changing the company's name to MicroHard?
 
2012-11-30 12:53:48 PM  
How to be Steve Ballmer:

1. Predict that Apple's new thing will flop. The iPod, the Apple Store, the iPhone, the iPad.
2. Watch them become successful and profitable.
3. Jump in too late with a lame imitation.
4. Call anybody who doesn't buy your product a "fanboi".
5. Fail.
 
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2012-11-30 12:56:52 PM  

tzzhc4: Sounds like the same mistake SUN made.


Not really. Sun made generally great hardware, and merely had a fairly crappy (if stable) OS. Sun's mistake was Linux combined with relatively cheap but modestly potent consumer-level hardware. They should have embraced the shiat outta Linux as soon as the web started taking off, not after the dotcom bubble had already popped. Of course, that anyone could ftp down a copy of Linux onto their old Dell deskstop and immediately have "a web server" was always going to be an uphill battle for them. But they probably could have carved a decent slice of the dotcom pie had they been there a few years earlier.

CSB: Somewhere I have a picture of a couple racks from one of our old datacenters about half full of Sun gear and lots of empty space. Not quite two years later, that same set of racks had a bunch of desktop PCs and Intel-based 1Us shoehorned in them, with one lonely E450 there at the bottom. I remember looking down the rack aisles and seeing Suns and IBM and occasional SGIs just based on their colors. A few years later, it's all just black and grey and beige, with a smattering of purple and blue here and there.
 
2012-11-30 12:59:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.

"Bob"


I didn't intend to say Windows 8 is the worst product or OS they've ever made. If you restore the Start menu and mostly avoid the nee-Metro side of the OS, it's roughly the same as Windows 7. Some improvements to Process Manager, speed, multi-monitor, some missing features like Aero Windows-Tab and lessened app compatibility. But Bob was never intended to replace Windows of its time - even Windows Me was never intended to be more than a stopgap for a small segment of the overall Windows market.

Windows 8 is intended to replace and revolutionize desktop-based Windows 7. That's the business decision - not to continue enhancing Windows 7 as a desktop-based OS and release nee-Metro as a tablet/phone-only OS, but to Frankenstein the two disparate UIs together and pretend its not a horrible mistake.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:14 PM  

Uncle Tractor: My take on Apple's success:

1) Apple looks at emerging tech and figures out how to turn it into a product people want. Apple is rarely (if ever?) first to the market, but is usually the first to get it right.
2) Apple makes complete systems, which means both hardware and software.
3) Apple is decisive. They don't hesitate to throw out old tech.
4) Apple had a leader with vision. (not sure what's going to happen now that he's gone. Hope the Maps debacle isn't a sign of things to come)

By comparison:

1) Microsoft imitates products after they've become a success, and their product is usually an inferior imitation. (IMO, of course)
2) Microsoft only makes half the system, the software half. Then expects a zillion other companies to make hardware for it.
3) ?
4) Gates. Ballmer. Nuff said.


Oh come ON already.

Gates has been basically a titular figurehead at M$ since roughly 2004. You really shouldn't even consider him part of the company any more. He has almost NOTHING to do with the current situation and direction of MS.
 
2012-11-30 01:16:27 PM  

xaks: Gates has been basically a titular figurehead at M$ since roughly 2004. You really shouldn't even consider him part of the company any more. He has almost NOTHING to do with the current situation and direction of MS.


I included Gates as another example of an unimaginative MS CEO. Ballmer is just following in his tracks, doing the same old things (as far as I can tell).

/throwing chairs doesn't count
 
2012-11-30 01:18:10 PM  

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He's not wrong. Read any review of the new Windows Phones, and the big issue that most reviews have is that a lot of key apps like Instagram and HBO Go just aren't there.
 
2012-11-30 01:19:23 PM  
Why can't you make the original Elite keyboard in black?

Your future, Mr. Balmer, is in figuring out hardware.

// got nothin'
 
2012-11-30 01:25:13 PM  
Obligatory irony?
Link
 
2012-11-30 01:48:58 PM  
So if hardware is their future, do they have to rename the company Microhard?
 
2012-11-30 01:51:22 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

In other news: Steve Balmer Hippo believes hardware ballet is the key to Microsoft's a hippos's future

 
2012-11-30 02:07:14 PM  
Hardware is obviously the future when you can't develop good software.

But wait, Microsoft CAN develop good software. You don't have that many high paid engineers with 90% of the market and tons of high profile corporate business customers and not put out quality software. So what's the real deal here?

Oh, wait, hardware is the key to monopolies and greater profits, ala iPhone and iPad, isn't it.
 
2012-11-30 02:11:36 PM  

syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.


terahertzatheist.ca
 
2012-11-30 02:25:28 PM  
I plan on buying the Surface pro when it comes out. I have wanted a tablet for a long time but I just have never been able to bring myself to getting an ipad. The RT version doesn't cut it for me but the power of the pro is very appealing. I want a mobile desktop not a tablet, if that makes any sense to anyone.
 
2012-11-30 02:26:24 PM  
and I don't mean laptop (I know somebody is going to say that, so I am just getting in there first)
 
2012-11-30 02:26:36 PM  

THX 1138: syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.

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What about Bob?
 
2012-11-30 02:31:04 PM  

THX 1138: syrynxx: If Windows 8 isn't the single worst business decision Microsoft has ever made, I'm hard-pressed to think what else would qualify.

[terahertzatheist.ca image 280x280]


How Zune is viewed long term will depend of if Windows Phone succeeds. Windows Phone was built on top of a lot of the UI and other work that they did for Zune, so if Windows Phone eventually succeeds, the Zune project will have been instrumental in its success. Sometimes even a market failure winds up being important long term. Just look at NeXT, which never set the world on fire in terms of market share, but it laid the groundwork for all of Apple's current success.
 
2012-11-30 03:03:54 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Getting rid of Balmer is the key to Microsofts future


Ding Ding Ding Developers Ding.
 
2012-11-30 03:33:50 PM  

xaks: Uncle Tractor: My take on Apple's success:

1) Apple looks at emerging tech and figures out how to turn it into a product people want. Apple is rarely (if ever?) first to the market, but is usually the first to get it right.
2) Apple makes complete systems, which means both hardware and software.
3) Apple is decisive. They don't hesitate to throw out old tech.
4) Apple had a leader with vision. (not sure what's going to happen now that he's gone. Hope the Maps debacle isn't a sign of things to come)

By comparison:

1) Microsoft imitates products after they've become a success, and their product is usually an inferior imitation. (IMO, of course)
2) Microsoft only makes half the system, the software half. Then expects a zillion other companies to make hardware for it.
3) ?
4) Gates. Ballmer. Nuff said.

Oh come ON already.

Gates has been basically a titular figurehead at M$ since roughly 2004. You really shouldn't even consider him part of the company any more. He has almost NOTHING to do with the current situation and direction of MS.


Umm. Yeah, well, maybe except for that part where he sits on the board and has Ballmer's back.

Day to day operations? Well, there you're right.

Wields the real power? Nothing has changed and there's nothing titular about Gates continued influence at Microsoft.
 
2012-11-30 03:41:08 PM  
I thought the Surface Pro was effectively a laptop with a touch interface? In that single environment, Windows 8 makes sense. Forcing Metro on desktops was just dumb.
 
2012-11-30 04:20:25 PM  

Uncle Tractor: 2) Apple makes complete systems, which means both hardware and software.
3) Apple is decisive. They don't hesitate to throw out old tech.


Apple goes out of their way to make products that are incompatible with everything but more Apple products. And they are constantly releasing unnecessary updates.
 
2012-11-30 04:27:01 PM  
The last time Microsoft execs tried melding hardware and software it resulted in years of product delays the then the Eclipse Aviation bankruptcy.
 
2012-11-30 04:42:42 PM  
Awesome! So we will see the death of Microsoft i my lifetime.

I love it.

It will take a few years, but Windows 8 sucks - yeah, I haven't tried it myself, but I just believe it sucks. I'm not going to try it either, but I think a lot of people (including many businesses) are with me on that.

Microsoft also isn't exactly controlling the phone/tablet market either. People like iPads and a LOT of people have Android phones and they're happy with them.

So the spell is broken - Windows may still have market share on desktops/laptops but even Microsoft sees that it is a dying market. They're desperately praying the Surface will take off. I'm not impressed. I haven't looked into it much, but I think I'd sooner buy an iPad. I mean really dudes. I don't even need a tablet although it would be kind of nice, but why? Your snazzy commercials? Uh, no. Not only no, but hell no. I could still get a cheap laptop for the same price as a high-end tablet. I'm just not gonna do it right now.

And you know what? No business is going to upgrade to Windows 8 because they probably just got done upgrading to Windows 7. And Win7 is probably working out okay for them.

You're farked Microsoft. Nobody wants your farking hardware that you just started making last week. Look at Apple - it took them something like 30 years before they started making bank on their hardware and that was only because people thought iPods were cool and then they blindly bought iPhones and iPads.

Microsoft is dead. This is the end for them. We've heard about the death of the desktop. Yes, that is true. More people will just want a tablet and those will become more dominated by iOS and Android and Microsoft will lose market share. Hardware is a losing game (except for Apple for some reason), but nobody is going to want a Microsoft tablet anymore than they wanted an HP desktop.

/still think Steve Jobs signed a deal with the devil and that is why he's dead.

But with the proliferation of smart phones people are catching on that Apple is no more special than Ford and Microsoft is no more special than Chevy and Android is like Chrysler- they all work. We're all going to have our favorites and who really gives a flying fark?
 
2012-11-30 04:57:08 PM  

GreenAdder: No, dude. Here's how you get successful:

1. Check out the open source community to see what they're developing.
2. Make your own proprietary version. Claim to have invented the tech.
3. Patent that tech!
4. If anyone makes anything remotely similar, sue them. Even if they made it before you did, sue them.
5. Spread a lot of money around the legal system.


Works for Google.
 
2012-11-30 04:58:52 PM  
I amazed that Ballmer still has a job. Windows 7 aside, is there anything Microsoft hasn't screwed up with Ballmer at the helm?
 
2012-11-30 05:02:13 PM  

HotWingAgenda: Apple goes out of their way to make products that are incompatible with everything but more Apple products.


For instance?

And they are constantly releasing unnecessary updates.

Such as ...?
 
2012-11-30 05:17:19 PM  

Omnivorous: The last time Microsoft execs tried melding hardware and software it resulted in years of product delays the then the Eclipse Aviation bankruptcy.


They didn't make xboxes did they?
 
2012-11-30 05:49:07 PM  

lilbjorn: I amazed that Ballmer still has a job. Windows 7 aside, is there anything Microsoft hasn't screwed up with Ballmer at the helm?


I fail at coming up with an answer but Win7 is running a lot of people's shiat right now (including my lappy) so they've got that going for them.
 
2012-11-30 06:00:21 PM  
Microsoft needs to just accept that they have screwed up on an epic level, offer everyone downgrade rights, and go back to Windows 7. They also need to give us back pull-down menus instead of the ribbon in Office. It is time to ask us what we want, not tell us what we can have. I doubt that Zippy The Pinhead has the brains to figure that out, though.
 
2012-11-30 07:46:18 PM  

Uncle Tractor: My take on Apple's success:

1) Apple looks at emerging tech and figures out how to turn it into a product people want. Apple is rarely (if ever?) first to the market, but is usually the first to get it right.
2) Apple makes complete systems, which means both hardware and software.
3) Apple is decisive. They don't hesitate to throw out old tech.
4) Apple had a leader with vision. (not sure what's going to happen now that he's gone. Hope the Maps debacle isn't a sign of things to come)

By comparison:

1) Microsoft imitates products after they've become a success, and their product is usually an inferior imitation. (IMO, of course)
2) Microsoft only makes half the system, the software half. Then expects a zillion other companies to make hardware for it.
3) ?
4) Gates. Ballmer. Nuff said.


To most people #2 and #3 are detriments to the product.
 
2012-11-30 07:50:20 PM  

Happy Hours: Awesome! So we will see the death of Microsoft i my lifetime.

I love it.

It will take a few years, but Windows 8 sucks - yeah, I haven't tried it myself, but I just believe it sucks. I'm not going to try it either, but I think a lot of people (including many businesses) are with me on that.

Microsoft also isn't exactly controlling the phone/tablet market either. People like iPads and a LOT of people have Android phones and they're happy with them.

So the spell is broken - Windows may still have market share on desktops/laptops but even Microsoft sees that it is a dying market. They're desperately praying the Surface will take off. I'm not impressed. I haven't looked into it much, but I think I'd sooner buy an iPad. I mean really dudes. I don't even need a tablet although it would be kind of nice, but why? Your snazzy commercials? Uh, no. Not only no, but hell no. I could still get a cheap laptop for the same price as a high-end tablet. I'm just not gonna do it right now.

And you know what? No business is going to upgrade to Windows 8 because they probably just got done upgrading to Windows 7. And Win7 is probably working out okay for them.

You're farked Microsoft. Nobody wants your farking hardware that you just started making last week. Look at Apple - it took them something like 30 years before they started making bank on their hardware and that was only because people thought iPods were cool and then they blindly bought iPhones and iPads.

Microsoft is dead. This is the end for them. We've heard about the death of the desktop. Yes, that is true. More people will just want a tablet and those will become more dominated by iOS and Android and Microsoft will lose market share. Hardware is a losing game (except for Apple for some reason), but nobody is going to want a Microsoft tablet anymore than they wanted an HP desktop.

/still think Steve Jobs signed a deal with the devil and that is why he's dead.

But with the proliferation of sm ...


Good troll. I give you a 3.0 out of Vista.
 
2012-11-30 08:04:27 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Good troll. I give you a 3.0 out of Vista.


How was that a troll? Granted, there was a lot you could disagree with or refute in it, but it was not a troll. Are you Steve Balmer?

Are you Bill Gates?

Because a lot (if not everyhing) of what I said in that post was true. Go ahead and tear that post apart. If you're going to call me a troll have at it. Oh, you can't? You mean Microsoft isn't going to rule the corporate world for the next century? You mean they don't actually own the tablet market? Android and Apple don't hold any market share? Really? Is that what you want to say?

Hey, can I have some of the dope you're smoking? Because it must be awesome.if you think Microsoft is not facing any competition from either Apple or Android.
 
2012-11-30 08:26:38 PM  
Microsoft needs to stop deciding what customers want no matter what.

Take mice. I like a clicky (tactile feedback) scroll wheel. I hate the smooth type. But I like the Microsoft software, so I stick with my old MS mouse. Now I have found out that MS is no longer selling clicky mice. I would have bought a new mouse (or two, for my laptop) by now as the old mouse is over five years old, and moreover has a wire. I also like the extra side buttons it has.

/grumble, grumble
 
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