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(Yahoo)   Country singer Trace Adkins says he didn't mean anything by his using a Confederate flag earpiece at the Rockefeller Center tree lighting ceremony, noting that his swastika earpiece was in his other pair of pants   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 139
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2012-11-30 09:03:56 AM  
17 votes:

the_rev: This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.


I'm not offended by it at all. I never have been. It just brands the person displaying it as a complete f*cking moron who isn't to be taken seriously. It's sort of like a bolo tie in that sense. If anything, it's a good thing. It's a great asshole detection system.
2012-11-30 08:23:10 AM  
15 votes:
"southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.
2012-11-30 08:34:24 AM  
14 votes:

FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


You shouldn't even have to reach the "slavery" element, since that just opens the door to the argument that there was more to southern culture than slavery, which is of course true. The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.
2012-11-30 09:00:16 AM  
10 votes:
www.insideedition.com

Ah. There it is. This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.
2012-11-30 08:54:34 AM  
10 votes:
It symbolizes treason and secession, and more than anything else, being a butthurt loser
2012-11-30 09:08:18 AM  
9 votes:
Hey, the Nazi flag is just celebrating your German heritage. You know, not all of it, just those years they were killing millions of innocent people.

Much like the Confederate battle flag is only from that specific time period when those states were committing treason against the United States, fighting and killing thousands upon thousands of American citizens all to keep slavery to hold onto their economic status quo.

I might buy it more if it had been a symbol of the South from it's very early days and then just adopted as the flag of a secessionist rebel regime.
2012-11-30 09:18:05 AM  
8 votes:
The fact that country music has adopted this symbol speaks to the intellectual power that goes into that whole musical culture.
2012-11-30 11:24:29 AM  
6 votes:
So Trace Adkins is a "Real Murican" that loves treason.

I suppose he was ok with the Dixie Chicks criticizing Bush?

Let the morons wear confederate flags, makes it easier for the rest to remind people what we used to do to treasonous bastards.
2012-11-30 09:11:24 AM  
6 votes:

sigdiamond2000: I'm not offended by it at all. I never have been.


Good. You shouldn't be. Nobody should. It's an inch-wide earplug in a douchy millionaire singer's ear. But yet, we are reading about people tweeting and complaining, and the guy having to make apologies for it, blah blah. The United States of the Offended.
2012-11-30 11:54:49 AM  
5 votes:
What a buffoon. Not only does he wear the damn thing but then he back peddles when he gets called on it. If you're going to wear it, f*cking own it, you twit.
Now he's a traitor to his country and a traitor to the confederacy. A traitor squared, if you will.
(and a racist)
(and a coward)
2012-11-30 10:35:39 AM  
5 votes:
Adkins - on a USO tour in Japan - also called for the preservation of America's battlefields and an "honest conversation about the country's history."

Be careful what you ask for, buddy.
2012-11-30 08:42:47 AM  
5 votes:

kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection


Armed insurrection in support of slavery.
2012-11-30 08:40:46 AM  
5 votes:
Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?
2012-11-30 11:37:31 AM  
4 votes:

FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


Wrong. It's also a symbol of failure and defeat.
2012-11-30 11:32:50 AM  
4 votes:

imtheonlylp: ehrmagerhd! mah butthurt because of a symbol!! oh noezszz!!11

stfu and get with the times - you want to be all tree-huggy, peace-loving, accepting of all beliefs or ideals in this country, but get all whiny and shiat when someone wears a symbol of the confederacy?

fark you and the wagon you rode in on, go smoke some peyote and have yourself a vision quest

seriously though,...
It's no different than saying a black kid with sagging pants and a hoodie "is a gangster". Doesn't matter if he's working in a soup kitchen or donating toys for needy children, it's ALL ABOUT WHAT HE HAS ON, right? Stereotypical view.


I didn't know that sagging pants and a hoodie symbolized an organized armed insurrection intent on perpetuating institutionalized slavery.
2012-11-30 11:01:45 AM  
4 votes:

FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


The ONLY time I feel a confederate flag would be appropriate would be an historic re-enactment of a civil war battle, or at a monument to the confederate dead.

Other than that, done in one.
2012-11-30 10:04:15 AM  
4 votes:

FriarReb98: Too self righteous to read the rest of my posts? Check.


I read them, and I think you're just being politically correct. It's currently out of fashion to admit being racist, so you claim you're not so people won't be angry at you. 50 or 60 years ago you could proudly call yourself a racist, but now you're just afraid.
2012-11-30 09:29:28 AM  
4 votes:
I love it when people display their confederate flag swag.

It gives me a visual indication that they are racist d-bags and affords me the opportunity to avoid them.
2012-11-30 09:02:04 AM  
4 votes:
I was deeply offended by Trace Adkins, then later on someone mentioned something about a Confederate flag earpiece.
2012-11-30 08:44:52 AM  
4 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?


No. But I've heard of the term 'Northern Aggression.' :)
2012-11-30 12:51:25 PM  
3 votes:

Samwise Gamgee: Therion: In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Confederate flags meant {Beavis voice} "I'm a Rebel! Rebels are Cool!" {/Beavis voice}

It wasn't until the 90s that Confederate flags started being strongly equated with Slavery and Racism, and an awful lot of folks still think that Confederate flags still mean "I'm a Rebel! Rebels are Cool!"

I think those people (what do you mean, those people?) still wear/ use the symbol to "stick it to the libs!"

To educated folks it's a symbol of oppression, to uneducated folks it's a symbol of cool. Screaming at the uneducated that their cool symbol is a hate symbol isn't the way to educate them.

(lived in the North most of my life, in Austin the last two decades, and I haven't owned anything with a Confederate flag on it since being a teenager. Comment added before some dumbass accuses me of "defending the Confederate flag")

Yeah, this. The Dukes of Hazzard had a car called the General Lee that had a huge Confederate flag on the roof. I don't remember much public outcry back then. As you said, it didn't really have 'racist' connotations until the 90's for some reason.


Nope. None at all.

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i48.photobucket.com
2012-11-30 12:39:00 PM  
3 votes:

Kraftwerk Orange: Joe Blowme: Funny how much outrage people have over this past yet silent on current countries that have slaves today.

Including the modern United States.

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The slave trade now is arguably as large as it ever has been, in terms of the number of slaves being brought in.


You need help with math
2012-11-30 11:58:40 AM  
3 votes:

Doom MD: Khellendros: doubled99: To you, and many others, it is.
To many in the south, it isn't.
Everyone's opinion is equal.

They had an organized insurrectionist army, a minor navy, declared themselves an independent nation, drafted and ratified papers to that effect, adopted a recognized flag as a battle standard

Sounds like the colonists in the 1700s.


Correct. And had we lost, it would be unacceptable for us to fly the stars and stripes today, claiming a "cultural history" while secretly celebrating our rebellion and claiming the patriots would rise again to claim the colonies and drive the Brits out. Had the south won the war, it would be perfectly acceptable to fly the rebel flag, since it would be their country standard.
2012-11-30 11:52:27 AM  
3 votes:
I've lived in the South long enough to have a fairly data-driven opinion that the Confederate flag on someone's car, house, or personal effects is simply fair warning that you're about to talk to an angry person with a mal-formed outlook. Trace Adkins is pandering to those people, because they buy his records, t-shirts, concert tickets. They pay for his giant houses, boats, et cetera.

There are exceptions, I'm sure, however I've never met one. People are welcome to display whatever symbol they want, but they're also making a statement and statements have meanings and drive reactions.
2012-11-30 11:47:17 AM  
3 votes:
i48.photobucket.com 
2012-11-30 11:23:48 AM  
3 votes:
A famous country music singer is a real-life racist hillbilly??!!

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2012-11-30 10:45:16 AM  
3 votes:

the_rev: Yes. I can guarantee with absolute confidence, that if Trace Adkins sticks a one-inch swastika in his ear, I will not give a single fcuck.


Yet you give several f*cks because other people give a f*ck.
2012-11-30 10:17:46 AM  
3 votes:

vernonFL: Yet we have no problems with Bayer aspirin, Porsche, Mitsubishi or Hugo Boss.


Is anyone claiming to be bothered by any companies based in the former Confederacy?
2012-11-30 09:51:12 AM  
3 votes:

FriarReb98: I'm sure the millions of Hindus, Buddhists and Janists who still use swastikas in their religion share your view.


Are you the kind of guy who has a Nazi flag tattoo and claim you just intended it as a Buddhist symbol?
2012-11-30 09:21:01 AM  
3 votes:

the_rev: dr_blasto: I'm offended by shiatty country music. The confederate flag is a symbol of that same shiatty confederate music; therefore, I'm offended by the confederate flag.

Well, like I said, some people will bend over backwards to get offended. Have at it.


I meant to mention shiatty country music twice. Not shiatty confederate music.

/just don't like modern shiatty country music
2012-11-30 09:18:32 AM  
3 votes:
It's not offensive, it's ignorant. Of course, if someone wants to broadcast their ignorance to the whole world, they are more than free to do so.
2012-11-30 09:15:40 AM  
3 votes:

dr_blasto: I'm offended by shiatty country music. The confederate flag is a symbol of that same shiatty confederate music; therefore, I'm offended by the confederate flag.


Well, like I said, some people will bend over backwards to get offended. Have at it.
2012-11-30 09:06:01 AM  
3 votes:
It's like no one has ever heard Carlin's rant on symbols. You can make a symbol mean anything you want it to mean. Great example: Most people see the Iwo Jima Monument and think of World War II and soldiers. Some think of all the parodies of it. Me? I think of what my girlfriend and I were doing under a blanket on a high school tour bus at the time we drove by it, and how it's still a joke between us. Another example: Some see a Yankees hat and think awesome team. Southerners (and Sox fans, for that matter, for different reasons) see it and think of pushy, self-righteous assholes.

If they want to think of the positive aspects of the flag, I say let 'em. And to those of you who are spouting the "armed insurrection" BS, please read a Constitution and realize what they did was perfectly legal at the time, and is technically still entirely so.
2012-11-30 01:13:17 PM  
2 votes:

Publikwerks: jshine: Isn't the US as a whole based on a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection? Our flag should be:

It's only treason if you lose. Or as the SEALs say "It Pays to be a Winner".


Exactly. As long as we're not trying to say that "treason is wrong because its morally wrong", but rather "its okay as long as you win" ("might makes right") -- then I'm fine with it. Because that's the real difference between the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. One was successful & its proponents were heroes, the other was not successful and its proponents were traitors.
2012-11-30 01:07:11 PM  
2 votes:

Gunslinger013: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: What a buffoon. Not only does he wear the damn thing but then he back peddles when he gets called on it. If you're going to wear it, f*cking own it, you twit.
Now he's a traitor to his country and a traitor to the confederacy. A traitor squared, if you will.
(and a racist)
(and a coward)

Looks to me like you're ready to be butthurt no matter what the guy does.


Make no mistake, I am indeed always ready to be butthurt. It's kind of a hobby of mine.

That being a given, my point is this. However you choose to represent yourself, do it like you mean it. This guy wants to be seen as a confederate loyalist to his slackjawed fans but can't take the heat when he gets called out on it. The jerk off needs to choose a side and go balls out. Otherwise, he's a coward. (as he demonstrated)
2012-11-30 12:52:32 PM  
2 votes:
Trace Adkins, attention whore
2012-11-30 12:24:35 PM  
2 votes:

Doom MD: You're not refuting anything I have posited. The confederate states seceded (largely) because of slavery. The Civil War, however, was fought because the United States fought with the belief that a state lacks the ability to secede from the Union. Do you see the distinction I'm making here?


I understand the distinction...but it isn't correct.

There was a legal argument to be made, but the seceding states decided to resort to force of arms.

And what event moved it from legal to martial? An attack on a Federal installation.

The Confederacy could have taken things through courts, but they chose force.

And, finally, the war itself didn't resolve the question of secession - the Supreme Court did.

Texas v. White (1870).

The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
...
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
...
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.


The Confederacy did not seek consent from the other states, didn't try the court system, and lost their war of rebellion.

They chose poorly.
2012-11-30 12:16:08 PM  
2 votes:
farking South.

Never won a war.
2012-11-30 12:13:03 PM  
2 votes:

Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
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levinejudaica.com


Missed one.
2012-11-30 12:09:23 PM  
2 votes:

hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.

Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

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The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.


Yes, I'm aware it is the battle flag. I'm also aware it is state's rights to maintain slavery.
2012-11-30 12:02:21 PM  
2 votes:
Confederate flag wearers/displayers are kinda like Truthers and Birthers: a quick way for the idiots to identify themselves. So go ahead and display the Confederate flag so I know not listen to anything you say or take any of it seriously.
2012-11-30 12:02:05 PM  
2 votes:

Doom MD: I view the Confederate flag as a reminder of the single largest blow to states rights in American history. The entire legal argument (and hence the conclusion reached by forces of arms) for the Civil War is essentially that a state has no right to secede from the Union. People who looks at the Confederate flag and think about hillbillies and slavery are not thinking large enough.


Yeah, it's almost like people will read the secession declarations from the seceding states and see dozens of references to slavery as a direct cause of their decision to secede.

South Carolina (the first state to secede) had as its first specific grievance that abolitionist states weren't giving fugitive slaves back to their masters. And they explained that the election of an abolitionist was the last straw.

Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.


It's almost like the possibility of losing their slaves led directly to their secession, and thus the Civil War.

Here are the first two sentences of Georgia's declaration:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Odd that they'd place a side issue right at the front of the document, isn't it?

Then there's Mississippi - again, right at the beginning of the document:

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


How about Texas?

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government *all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights* [emphasis in the original]; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.

By the secession of six of the slave-holding States, and the certainty that others will speedily do likewise, Texas has no alternative but to remain in an isolated connection with the North, or unite her destinies with the South.


When you self-identify as "the slave-holding States," it's kind of difficult to then say "But this isn't about slavery, really..."
2012-11-30 12:00:27 PM  
2 votes:

dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.


Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

www.sonofthesouth.net

The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.
2012-11-30 11:59:05 AM  
2 votes:
You shouldn't even have to reach the "slavery" element, since that just opens the door to the argument that there was more to southern culture than slavery, which is of course true. The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.
2012-11-30 11:49:18 AM  
2 votes:
Odd that some folks arguing that it isn't racist are trying to draw equivalence with gangsta rap. Rather telling, no?
2012-11-30 11:48:45 AM  
2 votes:

doubled99: To you, and many others, it is.
To many in the south, it isn't.
Everyone's opinion is equal.


They had an organized insurrectionist army, a minor navy, declared themselves an independent nation, drafted and ratified papers to that effect, adopted a recognized flag as a battle standard, and citizens under that standard continued to hold it long after their side of the war was lost and their attempt at secession was lost. That's not an opinion. That's not an "idea". That's a nationally recognized standard, enshrined in numerous officially recognized and ratified documents.

Revisionist histories can't sugar coat this one. It's a recognized symbol of treason and secession that lost. Some groups in the south still attempt to claim this flag, nation, and way of life today, but subtly change its meaning to try to justify the rebellion. It's a facade that breaks down under the smallest amount of scrutiny and questioning. It's no different than Nazi symbols in Germany today or Soviet symbols in eastern Europe. They still have well-understood meanings and histories, and no amount of cultural smoke screening can undo the historical facts of what they are and what they represent.
2012-11-30 11:45:50 AM  
2 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?


For the same reason there is no white history month. The north won, and stomped the south's head into the floor. Northern culture is the USAian default and needs no stating.
2012-11-30 11:41:24 AM  
2 votes:

kronicfeld: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

You shouldn't even have to reach the "slavery" element, since that just opens the door to the argument that there was more to southern culture than slavery, which is of course true. The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.


The Confederacy was just proof of how far Southerners would/will go in order to defend their urges to inflict inhumanity on other people.

If Lincoln had just let General Sherman go nuts and kept the Southern states out of the Union, everything South of Iowa would have become a wasteland where all the people there died out by 1930.

Then, we could have sent in intelligent, twang-free people from the North to repopulate the land and make it fruitful again.
2012-11-30 11:41:04 AM  
2 votes:

Country singer Trace Adkins


sucks.


There, I done re-yoonified this here thread.
2012-11-30 11:40:57 AM  
2 votes:
And for the record, anyone who is offended by a Confederate Battle Flag

Wrong. That's NOT a "Battle Flag". It's the Confederate NAVY Jack. The Army of Northern Virginia battle flag was usually square, of various sizes for the different branches of the service: 52 inches square for the infantry, 38 inches for the artillery, and 32 inches for the cavalry. It was used in battle beginning in December 1861 until the fall of the Confederacy. The blue color on the saltire in the battle flag was navy blue, as opposed to the much lighter blue of the Naval Jack. The flag's stars represented the number of states in the Confederacy. The distance between the stars decreased as the number of states increased, reaching thirteen when the secessionist factions of Kentucky and Missouri joined in late 1861. At the First Battle of Manassas, the similarity between the Stars and Bars and the Stars and Stripes caused confusion and military problems. Thus was born the "Battle Flag". If people are going to rail against "Southern Heritage" or try to defend it, knowing something about it would help you a great deal. History books are a lot of fun...IF YOU BOTHER TO READ THE DAMN THINGS!
2012-11-30 11:38:49 AM  
2 votes:

sweetmelissa31: sweetmelissa31: FriarReb98: I'm sure the millions of Hindus, Buddhists and Janists who still use swastikas in their religion share your view.

Are you the kind of guy who has a Nazi flag tattoo and claim you just intended it as a Buddhist symbol?

Ah I should have checked your profile before hand. Complaining about "political correctness"? Check. A whole section about your Caucasian heritage? Check.


Who the fark keeps a list and links of all their greenlights?
Douchebags, that's who.
2012-11-30 11:38:36 AM  
2 votes:
As a 100% pure northerner, who cares if a southerner flys the Confederate navel ensign? The war was 150 years ago, and just as those flying the flag should "get over it", so should some of those in this thread that wail of treachery.

It's hard to be offended by something that is being buried in history.
2012-11-30 11:38:07 AM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


Oh gawd, give me a break. That has to be the most sandy-vagina comment I've read here in a looooooong time.
2012-11-30 11:36:46 AM  
2 votes:
Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
static.flickr.com
writetodie.files.wordpress.com 
www.westernjournalism.com 
skew.dailyskew.com
2012-11-30 10:55:33 AM  
2 votes:

Cythraul: Diogenes: My great grandfather was in the Klan.

I think I'll wear a Klan robe today. 'Cause, you know, heritage.

Yours too?


Oh yeah. Not that it makes it any better, but this was in NJ and they really didn't put the hate on Jews and Blacks much. Their big thing was Catholics.

Took Gram many years before she'd admit that to me. And I did know Pappy. I wonder if she didn't want to ruin what memory I had of him.
2012-11-30 10:22:00 AM  
2 votes:

FriarReb98: dr_blasto: /just don't like modern shiatty country music

I prefer to refer to it as "Southern Pop." It belongs with classic country as much as a whale belongs in the middle of Kansas, with Taylor Swift being the (admittedly hot) poster child for why my title is apt.


Agreed.

Popular Country Music is what we should all be offended by. It's not country, it's pop with violins (fiddle is too country a word to use anymore). It's made by frustrated wannabe popstars, and marketed toward minivan driving soccer moms.

But it is NOT COUNTRY.9

Now, real country music still lives on... they call it Alt Country (among other labels) now. You can find it with some digging... satellite radio, the internet, but you'll never hear real country on TV or FM radio ever again, because it's not as marketable as blonde barbie pop star wannabe shaking her ass and singing her latest girl power anthem.
2012-11-30 10:07:21 AM  
2 votes:
My great grandfather was in the Klan.

I think I'll wear a Klan robe today. 'Cause, you know, heritage.
2012-11-30 09:56:20 AM  
2 votes:
In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Confederate flags meant {Beavis voice} "I'm a Rebel! Rebels are Cool!" {/Beavis voice}

It wasn't until the 90s that Confederate flags started being strongly equated with Slavery and Racism, and an awful lot of folks still think that Confederate flags still mean "I'm a Rebel! Rebels are Cool!"

I think those people (what do you mean, those people?) still wear/ use the symbol to "stick it to the libs!"

To educated folks it's a symbol of oppression, to uneducated folks it's a symbol of cool. Screaming at the uneducated that their cool symbol is a hate symbol isn't the way to educate them.

(lived in the North most of my life, in Austin the last two decades, and I haven't owned anything with a Confederate flag on it since being a teenager. Comment added before some dumbass accuses me of "defending the Confederate flag")
2012-11-30 09:56:19 AM  
2 votes:

sweetmelissa31: Ah I should have checked your profile before hand. Complaining about "political correctness"? Check. A whole section about your Caucasian heritage? Check.


Too self righteous to read the rest of my posts? Check.
2012-11-30 09:23:42 AM  
2 votes:

the_rev: Good. You shouldn't be. Nobody should. It's an inch-wide earplug in a douchy millionaire singer's ear. But yet, we are reading about people tweeting and complaining, and the guy having to make apologies for it, blah blah. The United States of the Offended.


This. People make their entire livings off of being offended in this country.
2012-11-30 09:14:24 AM  
2 votes:

the_rev: sigdiamond2000: I'm not offended by it at all. I never have been.

Good. You shouldn't be. Nobody should. It's an inch-wide earplug in a douchy millionaire singer's ear. But yet, we are reading about people tweeting and complaining, and the guy having to make apologies for it, blah blah. The United States of the Offended.


I'm offended by shiatty country music. The confederate flag is a symbol of that same shiatty confederate music; therefore, I'm offended by the confederate flag.
2012-11-30 09:08:48 AM  
2 votes:

the_rev: Ah. There it is. This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.


THIS. Personally I'm offended that people still think a rebel flag isn't square. But that's why I have a history degree and they don't.
2012-11-30 09:25:18 PM  
1 votes:
2012-11-30 08:01:20 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: ."The first recorded trader sold 20 Africans to the colony of Virginia in North America in 1619, but the Dutch trade only really took off in response to labour shortage in the newly conquered sugar plantations of Northern Brazil in 1630."

"When the final abolition of the trade and institution of slavery formally occurred in 1863, Dutch agents had brought 540,000 Africans to the Americas and cast the spectre of slavery east, from the Cape of Good Hope to the Indonesian archipelago."

Link

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Most disappointing part of my heritage.
2012-11-30 05:43:46 PM  
1 votes:

CheekyMonkey: I take your point, though, that many Southern folks have been brought up to believe that it's "just part of their heritage". It's kind of an ignorant view of things, though.


Except it's NOT ignorant. You just don't ascribe the same values to the symbols as they do. And in that way, you are actually more ignorant because you don't understand and can't be bothered to learn more or try to gain a deeper understanding of WHY so many of your fellow countrymen, even well educated, intelligent and proffesional people continue to take pride in their confederate heritage without concerning themselves much at all with slavery or racism.

And the answer is that for many Southerners, the civil war and the Reconstruction era that followed it was much, much more about northern aggression and oppression. Once slavery was over, it was over. The blacks didn't strip people's lands, burn down their factories and homes and take over their government. But the North certainly did. Sounterhners don't call it "The war when the slaves got loose" they call it "The War of Northern Agression", because for most southerners that was the primary charicsteristic. And the humiliation of the Reconstruction lasted for generations.

It might also be helpful to understand that Southern Culture places a MUCH stronger emphasis on family history and lineage than the far more migratory norther culture does. And in that enviornment, you are much more likely to have heard of your great-great grandfather who was a Colonel in the Confedracy. You are much more likely to see family photos of your great-grandfathers, and great-uncles in confederate uniforms, and no one shoudl be expected to be ashamed of family who fought and died protecting their homes and their country.

Further, in the south you see the local graveyards where the confederate soldiers are laid to rest. The battlefields are in your hometown, the war memorials are in your town. The local history is rich with tales of the war and the aftermath.

Northerners just don't have the same exposure to the traces of the war that the south does, because it was not really ever fought on Northern soil. The south didn't invade and ravage the north. But the Union army most definately did in the south, and the scars are still there a hundred and fifty years later. Just as the scars of Cromwell are still all over Ireland, and the battlefields of the Revolutionary war are still all over New England.

And none of THAT has anything really to do with racism.
2012-11-30 05:02:43 PM  
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: The confederates cause vectored toward slavery. They were there and they wanted to stay that way.


Don't you thnk that is a bit over-simplified and broad? Both The Founding Fathers and the Confederacy rebelled and sought independance becasue they did not feel that they had a voice in a foreign power that dictated down to them. They both were willing to fight and die rather than live under a "tyrannical yoke" of a foreign authority. Considering how few Southerners who took up arms and willingly marched of to war owned slaves much less had a stake in slaveholding, it is a bit innacurate to argue that the prinary reason confederate soldiers fought was to protect slavery.

By most accounts, Robert E. Lee himself was opposed to slavery, but famously felt his duty to his state and his people was more important.

So here's the main thing: For most of the confederates, other factors were MORE important than slavery.

Obviously, the institution of slavery was a central, and pivotal factor in the split, but it was not usually the reason why confederates fought and died. And that is a very important aspect to understand when trying to understand why Southerners hold Dixie, and the Confederate flag, and other symbols of "The Lost Cause" dear. Because for them and for their grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers, the war was not fought over slavery, but against northern invaders seeking to subjugate them.

Very few southerners are descended from Plantation owners, but many, many Southerners are descended from Johnny Reb.

And the years of Reconstruction inflicted deep wounds that lasted longer and left deepr resentment than the war itself. Even the generation beyond the war suffered and remembered the carpet baggers and the decades of being treated like a conquered country.

I say this just to try to help those of you who seem to be fundamentally missing the WHY of 'southern pride'. I don't expect that anyone not steeped in the culture can truly understand it, but you shoudl at least be able to appreciate and respect that there are valid reasons for it.
2012-11-30 02:55:09 PM  
1 votes:
What exactly is Southern heritage? The South is part of the USA, so why not just say American heritage? I'm from Chicago, my boyfriend is from Manhattan, and I've never heard anyone talk about their "Northern" heritage. I'm an American; I don't define myself by what chunk of the country I'm from. I don't go around calling myself a Midwesterner.
2012-11-30 02:53:30 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Just like craig328, I lived for years in the south, and still have relatives there I see every year. Apparently, there is some amazing bizarro dimension that you continuously encounter, rife with irony. Terrible that a completely open minded, non-racist person such as yourself keeps encountering an array of dyed in the wool, 1800's style Confederate slave loving klansmen.

Dude, you're full of shiat.


I don't know where you're getting this klansmen thing from. You've referenced it several times, and I've never made any claim of the type. I have no experience that says they're "slave loving", nor have I said that. What I have said is that southerners that fly the flag will talk about it, quite openly, when they are asked. They defend it fiercely, with a myriad of half true historical facts, and weak cultural arguments. The arguments don't hold any water, are typically factually incorrect, and not defended logically. This isn't isolated to a few people, it's common among those that display it.

What I also said is that the symbol has real historical meaning, and it's not cultural. It's a well-established and documented symbol of a failed insurrection, and not appropriate to fly in the country in which the secession was attempted. It's a legally defined flag of failure and treason. And while it is within their rights to fly it on their private property (a right created and defended by the country they spit on), it deserves ridicule, scorn, and every ounce of shame that can be thrown at it.
2012-11-30 02:46:45 PM  
1 votes:
You know why people say there is no difference between a person claiming "Heritage not Hate" while waving the confederate flag, and a person claiming "Heritage not Hate" while waving a Nazi flag?

Because there is no difference.
2012-11-30 02:42:46 PM  
1 votes:

Khellendros: Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.


Not high but it's apparent you're having trouble with the whole "wide brush" approach to making a point. Your entire posit is redolent with suggested self-superior attitude (with references to broad based ignorance in comparison to your more enlightened knowledge base, for instance) and, as such, you appear incapable of anything other than opinion based on bias. Residing in Virginia, Texas and Oklahoma hardly equates to knowing either jack or shiat about the south and visiting relatives in Atlanta and Myrtle Beach wouldn't seem to be a ringing endorsement of authenticity. However, I could be just as guilty as you about conclusions based on assumptions.

What I did say was that I'm from the south, my family was old Florida back when all of the states' population would have fit into the Orange Bowl today. An old relative on my father's side rode with the 1st Florida cavalry and fought at Shiloh. Others lived in coastal North Carolina and lost everything they had. And no, they weren't the local wealthy slave-owner type...they were just regular maritime mercantile who had all their property "commandeered" by the local army commandant for "emergency use" that was promptly sold to a carpetbagger and taken somewhere up north. Point is: I'm from the south, have lived here most of my life and, as opposed to being "high", I do actually know something about what we're discussing. Disagreeing with your broad stereotypical generalizations, surprisingly enough, doesn't require the aid of hallucinogens...although claiming that visiting Grammy's for Christmas makes you an authority on the region might.

Enjoy your opinion. It's yours and it's apparent you can't be swayed from it. Just know it's also as full of shiat as a well used horse stall is all.
2012-11-30 02:21:13 PM  
1 votes:
How dare people* be proud of their heritage!

*people I was taught not to like
2012-11-30 02:17:25 PM  
1 votes:
You cannot love the Confederate flag and viably claim to love America. The two are mutually exclusive. PICK ONE.
2012-11-30 02:13:25 PM  
1 votes:

craig328: Khellendros: doubled99: *yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.

You either don't live in the south, or talk to people who adamant in flying the confederate flag on a regular basis. There is an exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers that they are morally right, the U.S. is wrong, and their "country" will rise again.

Spend some time in small town Alabama or South Carolina. Chat with them for an hour or two. You'll understand exactly why the fly the rebel flag, and it's not for "old southern culture".

Two problems with that:

1./ I doubt anyone you just met anywhere would consent to speaking to you for two hours about a topic that most folks won't openly discuss just so you can claim that some kind of circumstance exists that doesn't so you can score some kind of imaginary internet debating point years down the road. If you're not from there they treat you politely but you're not their friend or buddy and you won't be privy to a conversation on that topic. Period. Your delusional fantasies not excepting. I can say that because:

2./ I am from there and I've spent way more than "some time" in small southern towns (Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and old Florida...WVa too but I and they don't count themselves as "south") and I'm pretty clear on why some folk fly a defunct flag. Typically it's about regional pride. I suspect if you were to encounter an actual klanner it might be about racism but for the 30+ years I've lived in the south I've never knowingly encountered one...and I assure you, from the folks my family knows and who their social with these days, if they were about and out in the open about it, I'd have at least have heard of them. I've met and encountered far more folks associated with the mafia in the south than I have ...


Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.
2012-11-30 01:37:06 PM  
1 votes:

JK47: hdhale: Slavery was the primary issue under the States' Rights umbrella, but not the only issue. People who didn't own slaves nor work for people who did were concerned about the reach of the Federal government into local affairs, trade and tariffs, and the like. It was Lincoln that made the war all about slavery and the national narrative followed that line after the war.


Slavery, the closing of western territories to slavery, and the shift in political balance from an even split between free soil and slave states were the driving causes towards secession. The issue was spun by politicians and interested parties as government overreach into local affairs. Trade and tariffs were an issue BECAUSE of their impact on cotton and tobacco as commodities of trade. Southern views on trade and tariff policy would be tremendously different if the economy had not been dominated by plantation agriculture. So let's not pretend there were a diverse array of issues motivating secession...all roads led to the institution of slavery.

Their own declarations support this as well:

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My understanding is Lincoln supported slavery at first. Then, after needing something to galvanize the north, had his come to jesus moment:

From wikipedia: My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

Lincoln was just a panderer who needlessly got a bunch of people killed.
2012-11-30 01:08:14 PM  
1 votes:

hdhale: rufus-t-firefly: If we're going to talk about history, let's at least get the basic facts straight.

The basic facts are that with the exception of a few units in the Trans-Mississippi region, the square or rectangular version of the Confederate battle flag was used by all the Confederate armies as they standardized their colors. Since I know you aren't one of those guys that spends hours getting just the proper shade of butternut on the uniform blouses for his Civil War miniatures set, are we done here?


I don't see any citations, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Every reference I've seen explains things the way I understand them, but I'm open to learning new things.

HOWEVER...

Now, it's established that the "Confederate flag" as it is generally known was the battle flag of the Confederacy. So..."patriots" are flying a flag that was used in battle against the armies of the United States.

United States Constitution, Article 3, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them
, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Thus, the flag represents treason.

If we were talking about the actual Stars and Bars - or, hell state flags - it could be argued that the flag represents an idea. But a flag that was actually used by those were were literally levying war against the United States via bullets and shells.

Flying a flag that was used in battle against the United States, and saying it represents your beliefs, means that you sympathize with traitors. You might as well put up a statue of Benedict Arnold in front of your house - he just had "unpopular opinions," you know.

But, in all honesty, I couldn't give a rat's ass if someone plasters that flag all over their vehicle and their clothes. But claiming that it ONLY represents "freedom" or "states' rights" or "heritage" is insulting to everyone's intelligence. 

Not that you were saying these things - just that I hear it all the farking time because I live in Texas.
2012-11-30 01:07:27 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: The new standard for freedom of expression is that you can do what you want as long as nobody is offended


Bullshiat. You can wave a toilet rag if you want. But I have just as much right to call you an ignorant douchebag for doing it.

Freedom of expression goes both ways.
2012-11-30 01:03:11 PM  
1 votes:
South Park pretty well summed up the Trace types
2012-11-30 01:00:58 PM  
1 votes:
Idiot southerners (and norhterners) who wave a confederate flag amaze me because they advertise a willfull ignorance of their hown history.

Link
2012-11-30 12:59:43 PM  
1 votes:

mcwehrle: no one takes this seriously


Country singer Trace Adkins does. Seriously enough to specifically go out and wear one, and on national TV, no less.

Really, the "you should just chill out" argument cuts both ways. If the confederate flag is "no big deal" then it's "no big deal" to stop wearing it, now is it?
2012-11-30 12:59:38 PM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: sigdiamond2000: Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?

No. But I've heard of the term 'Northern Aggression.' :)


War of Northern Victory, please. Or informally "War of Sherman Making The South His biatch".
2012-11-30 12:43:47 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


This. SO MUCH OF THIS.
2012-11-30 12:41:10 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: *yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.


You either don't live in the south, or talk to people who adamant in flying the confederate flag on a regular basis. There is an exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers that they are morally right, the U.S. is wrong, and their "country" will rise again.

Spend some time in small town Alabama or South Carolina. Chat with them for an hour or two. You'll understand exactly why the fly the rebel flag, and it's not for "old southern culture".
2012-11-30 12:32:03 PM  
1 votes:

Kraftwerk Orange: StoPPeRmobile: farking South.

Never won a war.

We did pretty well winning the Revolution to save all the yankees that had been captured (New York, Boston, Philly...)

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First Victory of the Revolution: Battle Of Sullivan's Island, Charleston SC. June 28, 1776.


Kraftwerk Orange: StoPPeRmobile: farking South.

Never won a war.

We did pretty well winning the Revolution to save all the yankees that had been captured (New York, Boston, Philly...)

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First Victory of the Revolution: Battle Of Sullivan's Island, Charleston SC. June 28, 1776.


Are you on crack? Washington and and Massachusetts colonials drove the British out of Boston March 17, 1776
2012-11-30 12:29:44 PM  
1 votes:
This issue plagues my daughter's high school on a regular basis. They play Dixie every morning on the PA before the daily farking "benediction".

asscmail.hayscisd.net

NOT my daughter, thank goodness.

haysfreepress.com

Link

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2012-11-30 12:26:08 PM  
1 votes:

Publikwerks: Holocaust Agnostic: The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.

OK, unless I missed where they killed millions of other civilians in some other thing, I would say it was.


The Russians would like a word with you.
2012-11-30 12:20:20 PM  
1 votes:
Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and morons love the Confederate flag.
2012-11-30 12:19:47 PM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.


OK, unless I missed where they killed millions of other civilians in some other thing, I would say it was.
2012-11-30 12:15:21 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, some of you USA-ians are a funny bunch. Makes being neighbours interesting.

"Ha-Ha! Lookit dem silly Muslins over der in de Muddle Yeast, fighting over stuff that happened touwsands of yars ago..."

*[incident causes offence to a Southern state]*

"Balargh! War of Northin Agressin! SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!"
2012-11-30 12:13:59 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-11-30 12:13:50 PM  
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: [i48.photobucket.com image 425x425]


You know what the only thing offensive in that picture is?

Some cocksucking sons of biatches stole Bill Watterson's creation and used it on a whole line of stupid, retarded stickers like that.
2012-11-30 12:11:11 PM  
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: Doom MD: I view the Confederate flag as a reminder of the single largest blow to states rights in American history. The entire legal argument (and hence the conclusion reached by forces of arms) for the Civil War is essentially that a state has no right to secede from the Union. People who looks at the Confederate flag and think about hillbillies and slavery are not thinking large enough.

Yeah, it's almost like people will read the secession declarations from the seceding states and see dozens of references to slavery as a direct cause of their decision to secede.

South Carolina (the first state to secede) had as its first specific grievance that abolitionist states weren't giving fugitive slaves back to their masters. And they explained that the election of an abolitionist was the last straw.

Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the jud ...


You're not refuting anything I have posited. The confederate states seceded (largely) because of slavery. The Civil War, however, was fought because the United States fought with the belief that a state lacks the ability to secede from the Union. Do you see the distinction I'm making here?
2012-11-30 12:11:07 PM  
1 votes:

0z79: I know what the Confederate flag has come to represent, but I also understand that after a certain point, it was flown by people who didn't give a crap about all that, they were defending their homes from assholes who were coming in to kill, rape, pillage and steal; to them, that flag represented the pride in what they worked for and their right to defend it.

The South deserves a -lot- of the derision it gets, but it's willful ignorance to believe that the Yankees were 100% saints during that period.


I don't know anyone that thinks the North acted like saints.

In fact, I think they kinda like what Sherman did, even knowing *what* he did. So much so we named a tank after him.
2012-11-30 12:09:02 PM  
1 votes:

jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?


Well, in our case, the colonies won therefore we get to fly our flag. Last I checked the history books, the Confederates lost.
2012-11-30 12:05:28 PM  
1 votes:

hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.

Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

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The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.


Which states' rights? The right to own slaves?
2012-11-30 12:05:23 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Funny how much outrage people have over this past yet silent on current countries that have slaves today.


Including the modern United States.

www.bbqchickenrobot.com

The slave trade now is arguably as large as it ever has been, in terms of the number of slaves being brought in.
2012-11-30 12:05:05 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
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How many Soviet flags have you seen out there?

And how many Che Guevara shirts have you seen IN PERSON?

I see a treason flag nearly every single day.

Daily on the Che and soviet flag t shirts,


So you live in Havana?

And if the CSA flag is fine, then why are you bothered by the Che and Soviet images?

It could be argued that neither Che Guevara or the Soviet Union waged war on the United States - unlike the Confederate States.

I don't particularly like traitors and those who wave the flag of treason while claiming to be patriots, but that's just me.
2012-11-30 12:01:29 PM  
1 votes:

doyner: clane: Very sad that so many ignorant people in this country have convinced themselves this has something to do with racism.

It's equally sad that it is a favored symbol among racists.


Or people who want to pretend that their casual racism is a noble heritage.
2012-11-30 12:00:52 PM  
1 votes:

WorldKnowledge: [www.revisionisthistory.org image 280x341]

It's a southern thing you pathetic Yankees!


You mean like committing treason? Or is it a stupidity thing?
//Go to hell Johnny Reb
2012-11-30 11:58:57 AM  
1 votes:
Political oppression while vile, isn't precisely equivalent to slavery, except in some derpy Randian metaphor.
2012-11-30 11:58:15 AM  
1 votes:
The Confederate flag does not represent racism. It was originally a symbol of southern heritage, representing freedom, states rights, individual responsibility, and resistance to an out of control federal government.

No slave ship ever sailed from a Confederate port or under a Confederate flag.

Ulysses S. Grant during the Civil War was a slave holder.
Robert E. Lee was against slavery.

Racist groups have used the Confederate flag in recent years but the Ku Klux Klan, have historically used the American flag for a much longer period of time.
2012-11-30 11:52:39 AM  
1 votes:
My girlfriend loves the "country" they play on the radio. She doesn't seem to understand when I explain that, as others here said, it's not country, it's made by the same farking people who make Carly Rae Jepsen's crap, and in the same format too.

It's seriously awful. I hadn't heard the radio in my town for years until I got with her, since her car just has a radio [no iPod hookup or what have you]. Now I remember why I stopped listening in the first place. Pity me!

/Or don't. Whatever.
2012-11-30 11:50:24 AM  
1 votes:
Joe Blowme:

Yeah, I forget, how many slaves did Che own?
2012-11-30 11:48:20 AM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

Its no more offensive than the US flag.


The US flag now is (slightly) different than the various US flags that so many hundreds of thousands of slaves were captured, shipped, and sold under.

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2012-11-30 11:47:24 AM  
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WhippingBoy: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: It's a long-time part of the country music schtick.

"Look, ya'll folks better be careful, I'm a guitar-slangin' southern rebel."

Country music fans are probably the only segment of society that's brain-dead enough to believe this. I be they also think he lives in a double-wide and can't afford to get his pick-up truck fixed because he's so dad-gummed broke. Oh well, three shots of Cuervo down at the local honky-tonk this Saturday night will cure all of life's ills.


As opposed to the thug envy of rappers? I think they have them country folks beat by a mile or 50 as brain dead people go.
2012-11-30 11:46:08 AM  
1 votes:
From the comments section:

I guess he'll lose all those millions of black Trace Adkins fans, huh?

I LOL'd
2012-11-30 11:45:47 AM  
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Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
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How many Soviet flags have you seen out there?

And how many Che Guevara shirts have you seen IN PERSON?

I see a treason flag nearly every single day.
2012-11-30 11:44:14 AM  
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S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: It's a long-time part of the country music schtick.

"Look, ya'll folks better be careful, I'm a guitar-slangin' southern rebel."


Country music fans are probably the only segment of society that's brain-dead enough to believe this. I be they also think he lives in a double-wide and can't afford to get his pick-up truck fixed because he's so dad-gummed broke. Oh well, three shots of Cuervo down at the local honky-tonk this Saturday night will cure all of life's ills.
2012-11-30 11:40:57 AM  
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GibbyTheMole: But that was 30 years ago, and people were generally less nuts then.


by less nuts do you mean less incredibly overtly racist
2012-11-30 11:39:20 AM  
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Subby should have used the hero tag.
2012-11-30 11:34:16 AM  
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rocketpants: A famous country music singer is a real-life racist hillbilly??!!

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Cames to say this...you said it better.
2012-11-30 11:33:55 AM  
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The South is Rising...
2012-11-30 11:32:46 AM  
1 votes:
The US government intentionally withheld syphilis treatments from black people in a long running medical experiment that lasted until 1972. It also interned Japanese people in WWII, continued screwing over Native Americans well into the 20th century, and is indirectly responsible for the deaths of an estimated 100,000 Iraqi citizens.

Why is it acceptable to wear a US flag but not a Confederate one? It's certainly not because the US has been a great respecter of the rights of minorities. The only reason I can think of is that the CSA lost.
2012-11-30 11:30:35 AM  
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I'm more offended by surge in country music's popularity recently
2012-11-30 11:30:16 AM  
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uncleacid: You would think people would have been more offended by Mariah Carey trying to fit two hundred pounds into a one hundred pound dress.


Yeah, but, dem tittays

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2012-11-30 11:28:24 AM  
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FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


I'm a blood decendant of J. Davis, and my take is that people who can trace their geneology to confederates should be able to use it as a reminder of the tragedy and loss of life, but "spiritual decendants" are just jackasses. The Lost Cause is dead. There is no need to propagate or romanticize it.
2012-11-30 11:24:50 AM  
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It's a long-time part of the country music schtick.

"Look, ya'll folks better be careful, I'm a guitar-slangin' southern rebel."
2012-11-30 11:23:41 AM  
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FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: It symbolizes treason and secession, and more than anything else, being a butthurt loser


Symbols can change meaning over time and be interpreted differently by different people. Take the cross for example. Some see it as a symbol of peace and love. Others see it as a symbol of bigotry and oppression. Symbols are only what you make them out to be. So please, both of you get over yourselves at your earliest convenience. Thanks.
2012-11-30 11:18:40 AM  
1 votes:
Can we just beat the shiat out of all these people now? fark you assholes.
2012-11-30 10:57:59 AM  
1 votes:
I am sad that he is involved in this.

Trace Adkins plays a benefit concert every year for my cousin's special needs school in the Nashville area. Every single year I am amazed at how genuine and kind he is and am always so appreciative of his efforts to raise money and put on an amazing show for free. He stays afterwards, treats the kids and adults with incredible respect and just couldn't possibly be any more of a gentleman.

Bad judgement on the earpiece but I truly believe he is a good man.
2012-11-30 10:54:10 AM  
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Jackson Herring: Everyone is farking in this thread. I feel so left out.


Exactly 1 f*ck.

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This cat give 1 f*ck about his anglo-saxon heritage.
2012-11-30 10:48:36 AM  
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FriarReb98: And for the record, anyone who is offended by a Confederate Battle Flag but not the Georgia state flag needs a history book on why the state essentially pegged a giant middle finger in the face of the offended and got away with it.


I'm not offended by a Confederate flag. Jefferson Davis is in my family tree. Not that it's a point of pride in our family, mind you. Many moons ago when I had to do a family tree for school, when I got to that branch, I just lied and said we didn't have information going that far back. I didn't want anyone to think I shared a point of view with that traitorous knob. My paternal grandmother's mother's maiden name was Davis, and if you travel back a ways, you hit him. Hopefully hard.

I similarly am not offended by the Georgia state flag, either. Why would I be? I'm not from Georgia, and while I lived there for 7 years, it was never "home"....that was Chicago. It was where my house was, which is different.
2012-11-30 10:37:15 AM  
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FirstNationalBastard: FriarReb98: dr_blasto: /just don't like modern shiatty country music

I prefer to refer to it as "Southern Pop." It belongs with classic country as much as a whale belongs in the middle of Kansas, with Taylor Swift being the (admittedly hot) poster child for why my title is apt.

Agreed.

Popular Country Music is what we should all be offended by. It's not country, it's pop with violins (fiddle is too country a word to use anymore). It's made by frustrated wannabe popstars, and marketed toward minivan driving soccer moms.

But it is NOT COUNTRY.9

Now, real country music still lives on... they call it Alt Country (among other labels) now. You can find it with some digging... satellite radio, the internet, but you'll never hear real country on TV or FM radio ever again, because it's not as marketable as blonde barbie pop star wannabe shaking her ass and singing her latest girl power anthem.


Alt country, the outlaw stuff and the like still has it. This pop shiat is regurgitated shiat in a class with Nickleback and their ilk or some blonde Britney Spears crap with a bit of steel guitar. It is utter shiat.
2012-11-30 10:37:14 AM  
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sigdiamond2000: Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?



Anglo-Saxon heritage?
2012-11-30 10:30:25 AM  
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the_rev: FlashHarry: the_rev: Ah. There it is. This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.

you you'd be totally cool if it were a swastika?

Yes. I can guarantee with absolute confidence, that if Trace Adkins sticks a one-inch swastika in his ear, I will not give a single fcuck.


well, i've got to hand it to you. you're consistent.
2012-11-30 10:24:47 AM  
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the_rev: Ah. There it is. This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.


you you'd be totally cool if it were a swastika?
2012-11-30 10:24:26 AM  
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sigdiamond2000: Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?


Yes, but generally with "European" stuck in the middle.
2012-11-30 10:14:28 AM  
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Yet we have no problems with Bayer aspirin, Porsche, Mitsubishi or Hugo Boss.
2012-11-30 10:12:03 AM  
1 votes:
My great-great grandparents were shot into a ditch in Belarus because they were Jews.

They had it almost as hard as white Southerners in 2012 who can't wear Confederate flags without being criticized.
2012-11-30 10:11:40 AM  
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FriarReb98: And for the record, anyone who is offended by a Confederate Battle Flag but not the Georgia state flag needs a history book on why the state essentially pegged a giant middle finger in the face of the offended and got away with it.


For the record, I'm not offended by it. There's very little in life that offends me. There's a difference between being offended and just thinking something is stupid and hypocritical.
2012-11-30 10:03:05 AM  
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And for the record, anyone who is offended by a Confederate Battle Flag but not the Georgia state flag needs a history book on why the state essentially pegged a giant middle finger in the face of the offended and got away with it.
2012-11-30 09:56:00 AM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: I'll forgive him, if he promises to come over to my place for some incredibly hot sexy-time.


This.
2012-11-30 09:53:29 AM  
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sweetmelissa31: FriarReb98: I'm sure the millions of Hindus, Buddhists and Janists who still use swastikas in their religion share your view.

Are you the kind of guy who has a Nazi flag tattoo and claim you just intended it as a Buddhist symbol?


Ah I should have checked your profile before hand. Complaining about "political correctness"? Check. A whole section about your Caucasian heritage? Check.
2012-11-30 09:45:53 AM  
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WorldCitizen: FriarReb98: WorldCitizen: Hey, the Nazi flag is just celebrating your German heritage.

I'm sure the millions of Hindus, Buddhists and Janists who still use swastikas in their religion share your view.

I'm not sure that Hindus Buddhists and Janists use the Nazi flag. You realize it's a combination of patterns and not just a swastika, right?


So it's a combination of patters that's offensive? In that case, I'm offended by the Nets cheerleaders for having costumes with horizontal AND vertical stripes.
2012-11-30 09:40:14 AM  
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I don't think the people who buy his albums are the ones complaining. Why does he care?
2012-11-30 09:40:01 AM  
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FriarReb98: WorldCitizen: Hey, the Nazi flag is just celebrating your German heritage.

I'm sure the millions of Hindus, Buddhists and Janists who still use swastikas in their religion share your view.


I'm not sure that Hindus Buddhists and Janists use the Nazi flag. You realize it's a combination of patterns and not just a swastika, right?
2012-11-30 09:29:12 AM  
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dr_blasto: /just don't like modern shiatty country music


I prefer to refer to it as "Southern Pop." It belongs with classic country as much as a whale belongs in the middle of Kansas, with Taylor Swift being the (admittedly hot) poster child for why my title is apt.
2012-11-30 09:26:58 AM  
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FriarReb98: the_rev: Good. You shouldn't be. Nobody should. It's an inch-wide earplug in a douchy millionaire singer's ear. But yet, we are reading about people tweeting and complaining, and the guy having to make apologies for it, blah blah. The United States of the Offended.

This. People make their entire livings off of being offended in this country.


Lawyers?
2012-11-30 08:36:42 AM  
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If historically accurate wouldn't that be a giant brass ear trumpet?
2012-11-30 08:27:08 AM  
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I'll forgive him, if he promises to come over to my place for some incredibly hot sexy-time.
 
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