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2012-11-30 01:49:08 PM  

Sybarite: I was deeply offended by Trace Adkins, then later on someone mentioned something about a Confederate flag earpiece.


Exactly. What the fark is this cracker-ass cracker doing at the Rockafeller Center tree-lighting ceremony? Shouldn't he be busy porking some skank under the bleachers at a NASCAR event?
 
2012-11-30 01:50:04 PM  

Butthurted: Gunslinger013: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: What a buffoon. Not only does he wear the damn thing but then he back peddles when he gets called on it. If you're going to wear it, f*cking own it, you twit.
Now he's a traitor to his country and a traitor to the confederacy. A traitor squared, if you will.
(and a racist)
(and a coward)

Looks to me like you're ready to be butthurt no matter what the guy does.

Did someone say "Butthurt?"

I think this is one of those threads where you are more likely to get a level headed debate arguing theology with a goldfish. So I just lurk, waiting for the next "butthurting"


Well then carry on, sir.
 
2012-11-30 02:00:27 PM  
when symbols are displayed, it is important to remember the intent behind those symbols.
some display the rebel flag to promote racism
some display the rebel flag to promote pride in one's homeland
some display the rebel flag to remind people that we are duty bound as citizens to rebel against unconstitutional laws and federal overreach.

my guess is that this guy was of the "southern pride" variety... usually harmless.

a single fist, raised in the air:
"Black Power"
"Power to the People"
"Woohoo! I am enjoying this concert!"
 
2012-11-30 02:03:09 PM  

Khellendros: doubled99: *yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.

You either don't live in the south, or talk to people who adamant in flying the confederate flag on a regular basis. There is an exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers that they are morally right, the U.S. is wrong, and their "country" will rise again.

Spend some time in small town Alabama or South Carolina. Chat with them for an hour or two. You'll understand exactly why the fly the rebel flag, and it's not for "old southern culture".


Two problems with that:

1./ I doubt anyone you just met anywhere would consent to speaking to you for two hours about a topic that most folks won't openly discuss just so you can claim that some kind of circumstance exists that doesn't so you can score some kind of imaginary internet debating point years down the road. If you're not from there they treat you politely but you're not their friend or buddy and you won't be privy to a conversation on that topic. Period. Your delusional fantasies not excepting. I can say that because:

2./ I am from there and I've spent way more than "some time" in small southern towns (Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and old Florida...WVa too but I and they don't count themselves as "south") and I'm pretty clear on why some folk fly a defunct flag. Typically it's about regional pride. I suspect if you were to encounter an actual klanner it might be about racism but for the 30+ years I've lived in the south I've never knowingly encountered one...and I assure you, from the folks my family knows and who their social with these days, if they were about and out in the open about it, I'd have at least have heard of them. I've met and encountered far more folks associated with the mafia in the south than I have ever encountered hard core racists.

Some Southerners have a thing about defining themselves. You see it in loyalty to a truck brand, loyalty to a favorite race driver, and especially loyalty to a college football program. Some of them decide to include integrating a preference for the Confederate battle standard for defining their identity. On that basis, it IS pretty much about southern heritage to them. Your claim of "exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers" isn't something I've been particularly exposed to and isn't something anyone I know has been particularly exposed to.

Your assertion sounds fallacious to the point of being the product of watching too many sitcoms/reality shows and taking the proffered stereotype as fact.
 
2012-11-30 02:12:01 PM  

Diogenes: Cythraul: Diogenes: My great grandfather was in the Klan.

I think I'll wear a Klan robe today. 'Cause, you know, heritage.

Yours too?

Oh yeah. Not that it makes it any better, but this was in NJ and they really didn't put the hate on Jews and Blacks much. Their big thing was Catholics.

Took Gram many years before she'd admit that to me. And I did know Pappy. I wonder if she didn't want to ruin what memory I had of him.


The NJ Klan had some interesting ties to the German-American Bund (aka American Nazis):

http://www.njhallofshame.com/NomineesPages/Nominee_NJ_KKK.html

Found this out recently, as friends of mine own property on Lake Aeroflex in Andover, and on that property is a single surviving cabin from Camp Nordland.
 
2012-11-30 02:13:19 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

Its no more offensive than the US flag.


Holocaust Agnostic
Account created: 2012-09-04 23:06:32

mmm, yeah. bye!
 
2012-11-30 02:13:25 PM  

craig328: Khellendros: doubled99: *yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.

You either don't live in the south, or talk to people who adamant in flying the confederate flag on a regular basis. There is an exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers that they are morally right, the U.S. is wrong, and their "country" will rise again.

Spend some time in small town Alabama or South Carolina. Chat with them for an hour or two. You'll understand exactly why the fly the rebel flag, and it's not for "old southern culture".

Two problems with that:

1./ I doubt anyone you just met anywhere would consent to speaking to you for two hours about a topic that most folks won't openly discuss just so you can claim that some kind of circumstance exists that doesn't so you can score some kind of imaginary internet debating point years down the road. If you're not from there they treat you politely but you're not their friend or buddy and you won't be privy to a conversation on that topic. Period. Your delusional fantasies not excepting. I can say that because:

2./ I am from there and I've spent way more than "some time" in small southern towns (Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and old Florida...WVa too but I and they don't count themselves as "south") and I'm pretty clear on why some folk fly a defunct flag. Typically it's about regional pride. I suspect if you were to encounter an actual klanner it might be about racism but for the 30+ years I've lived in the south I've never knowingly encountered one...and I assure you, from the folks my family knows and who their social with these days, if they were about and out in the open about it, I'd have at least have heard of them. I've met and encountered far more folks associated with the mafia in the south than I have ...


Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.
 
2012-11-30 02:17:25 PM  
You cannot love the Confederate flag and viably claim to love America. The two are mutually exclusive. PICK ONE.
 
2012-11-30 02:18:31 PM  
This makes me think that Dariuis Rucker is the most brave man in America since Charlie Pride.
 
2012-11-30 02:18:40 PM  

hdhale: The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had.


Replace "Confederate" with "Nazi". Only through Godwin can you understand the idiocy of your comment.
 
2012-11-30 02:21:13 PM  
How dare people* be proud of their heritage!

*people I was taught not to like
 
2012-11-30 02:21:28 PM  

craig328: doyner: Adkins - on a USO tour in Japan - also called for the preservation of America's battlefields and an "honest conversation about the country's history."

Be careful what you ask for, buddy.

You know, it's possible that he may know something about it. I mean, it's obviously an interest to him, he has the means and the time to delve into it. Just as a for instance: there are those who don't have so much an issue with the war the Civil War went so much as they have an issue with the way the post war occupation and Reconstruction went. Most folks running about with the public school version of American history have practically zero clue how bad it got in the south once the war was over.

The war lasted 4 years...the pillaging and plundering lasted for as long as 16 years in some places. It's no coincidence that the poorest states in the country today tend to be those who were under Reconstruction the longest. Imagine how delightful a place like Massachusetts would be if say nearly everything of worth was taken and those doing the taking had the blessing of the government and 10+ years to clean the place out.

/be careful indeed


Sucks to be traitors
 
2012-11-30 02:28:22 PM  

FlashHarry: Holocaust Agnostic: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

Its no more offensive than the US flag.

Holocaust Agnostic
Account created: 2012-09-04 23:06:32

mmm, yeah. bye!


How dare people make new accounts here!!! Anyone who matters already has an account and anyone with an account less than a year old is obviously just a troll.
 
2012-11-30 02:28:31 PM  

Digital Communist: How dare people* be proud of their heritage!

*people I was taught not to like



There's a class on hating white people?

/I'm sure there are white people who can teach us much more than the instructor
 
2012-11-30 02:32:17 PM  

FlashHarry: Holocaust Agnostic: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

Its no more offensive than the US flag.

Holocaust Agnostic
Account created: 2012-09-04 23:06:32

mmm, yeah. bye!


n00b.
 
2012-11-30 02:38:56 PM  
Khellendros Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-30 02:13:25 PM


craig328: Khellendros: doubled99: *yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.

You either don't live in the south, or talk to people who adamant in flying the confederate flag on a regular basis. There is an exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers that they are morally right, the U.S. is wrong, and their "country" will rise again.

Spend some time in small town Alabama or South Carolina. Chat with them for an hour or two. You'll understand exactly why the fly the rebel flag, and it's not for "old southern culture".

Two problems with that:

1./ I doubt anyone you just met anywhere would consent to speaking to you for two hours about a topic that most folks won't openly discuss just so you can claim that some kind of circumstance exists that doesn't so you can score some kind of imaginary internet debating point years down the road. If you're not from there they treat you politely but you're not their friend or buddy and you won't be privy to a conversation on that topic. Period. Your delusional fantasies not excepting. I can say that because:

2./ I am from there and I've spent way more than "some time" in small southern towns (Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and old Florida...WVa too but I and they don't count themselves as "south") and I'm pretty clear on why some folk fly a defunct flag. Typically it's about regional pride. I suspect if you were to encounter an actual klanner it might be about racism but for the 30+ years I've lived in the south I've never knowingly encountered one...and I assure you, from the folks my family knows and who their social with these days, if they were about and out in the open about it, I'd have at least have heard of them. I've met and encountered far more folks associated with the mafia in the south than I have ...

Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.



Just like craig328, I lived for years in the south, and still have relatives there I see every year. Apparently, there is some amazing bizarro dimension that you continuously encounter, rife with irony. Terrible that a completely open minded, non-racist person such as yourself keeps encountering an array of dyed in the wool, 1800's style Confederate slave loving klansmen.

Dude, you're full of shiat.
 
2012-11-30 02:39:34 PM  

mcwehrle: I think you may have misunderstood my intent.


No, I really didn't.

Again, if it's not a big deal to have, then it isn't a big deal not to have. And someone does take it seriously, he does.

So the argument that people just need to "chill out" pretty much falls apart right there. The guy wore it in his ear for the same reason Janet Jackson slipped us a boob on the sly during the Superbowl.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Nuff said.
 
2012-11-30 02:40:06 PM  
I fly a pirate flag in front of my house,what does that mean?
 
2012-11-30 02:41:06 PM  

JK47: hasty ambush: The new standard for freedom of expression is that you can do what you want as long as nobody is offended


Really asshole? Do you see anyone calling for his arrest? Have the police been called to take him to jail so he can be charged with Disturbing the Peace - Offensive Speech?

The whole "offended" line of thought is broken circular logic. You accuse others of wanting to restrain expression when the ultimate goal of that accusation is to prevent people from expressing how offended they are. While you have every right to be an asshole (by wearing Confederate apparel for example) everyone else has a right to react to your actions and express themselves.


Library Director Cathy Hoeth told her staff not to wear "I'm proud to be an American" stickers because they might offend the 200 foreign students at Florida Gulf Coast University in Fort Myers.
 
2012-11-30 02:42:46 PM  

Khellendros: Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.


Not high but it's apparent you're having trouble with the whole "wide brush" approach to making a point. Your entire posit is redolent with suggested self-superior attitude (with references to broad based ignorance in comparison to your more enlightened knowledge base, for instance) and, as such, you appear incapable of anything other than opinion based on bias. Residing in Virginia, Texas and Oklahoma hardly equates to knowing either jack or shiat about the south and visiting relatives in Atlanta and Myrtle Beach wouldn't seem to be a ringing endorsement of authenticity. However, I could be just as guilty as you about conclusions based on assumptions.

What I did say was that I'm from the south, my family was old Florida back when all of the states' population would have fit into the Orange Bowl today. An old relative on my father's side rode with the 1st Florida cavalry and fought at Shiloh. Others lived in coastal North Carolina and lost everything they had. And no, they weren't the local wealthy slave-owner type...they were just regular maritime mercantile who had all their property "commandeered" by the local army commandant for "emergency use" that was promptly sold to a carpetbagger and taken somewhere up north. Point is: I'm from the south, have lived here most of my life and, as opposed to being "high", I do actually know something about what we're discussing. Disagreeing with your broad stereotypical generalizations, surprisingly enough, doesn't require the aid of hallucinogens...although claiming that visiting Grammy's for Christmas makes you an authority on the region might.

Enjoy your opinion. It's yours and it's apparent you can't be swayed from it. Just know it's also as full of shiat as a well used horse stall is all.
 
2012-11-30 02:44:27 PM  

StickyBunBandit


I fly a pirate flag in front of my house,what does that mean?


*looks at name*

*looks at question*

*looks at name again*

You steal sticky buns on the high seas?
 
2012-11-30 02:46:45 PM  
You know why people say there is no difference between a person claiming "Heritage not Hate" while waving the confederate flag, and a person claiming "Heritage not Hate" while waving a Nazi flag?

Because there is no difference.
 
2012-11-30 02:48:51 PM  

BOZ: All of you folks who are saying the Confederate flag is a racist symbol are youthful idiots. It is only in the last 20 or 30 years that is has come to be branded as such by those wanting to stir up shiat. If you don't like that flag, then don't pay attention to it. As far as I know the flag has never hurt anyone. And if you are one of those racists that use the confederate flag to promote your thoughts, well screw you too.


Considering how prominently the confederate flag was used as a symbol during the civil rights era, by those opposing civil rights for blacks, methinks you don't know what you are talking about.

See this post upthread from some handy visual examples:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7460765/81004313#c81004313
 
2012-11-30 02:49:07 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: You cannot love the Confederate flag and viably claim to love America. The two are mutually exclusive. PICK ONE.


Can I fly my State Flag ?

What about people who fly the Pan-African flag? the Mexican flag? Puerto Rico's flag?. The gay Flag?

How are you on the subject of dual citizenship?
 
2012-11-30 02:50:51 PM  

Publikwerks: craig328: doyner: Adkins - on a USO tour in Japan - also called for the preservation of America's battlefields and an "honest conversation about the country's history."

Be careful what you ask for, buddy.

You know, it's possible that he may know something about it. I mean, it's obviously an interest to him, he has the means and the time to delve into it. Just as a for instance: there are those who don't have so much an issue with the war the Civil War went so much as they have an issue with the way the post war occupation and Reconstruction went. Most folks running about with the public school version of American history have practically zero clue how bad it got in the south once the war was over.

The war lasted 4 years...the pillaging and plundering lasted for as long as 16 years in some places. It's no coincidence that the poorest states in the country today tend to be those who were under Reconstruction the longest. Imagine how delightful a place like Massachusetts would be if say nearly everything of worth was taken and those doing the taking had the blessing of the government and 10+ years to clean the place out.

/be careful indeed

Sucks to be traitors


That is does indeed...especially when the acts committed after the war were not the intentions of the president. Booth did the entire south a huge disservice by assassinating Lincoln once the war was entirely lost.

I get that many people revel in their ignorance even when they're unaware of how ignorant they truly are. It's not their fault that a 10-12 year block of history in the southern states (aka "reconstruction") is covered in about 2-3 lines in most public school social studies books. That said, there are a great many sources of information that do describe the utter pillaging of the south after the war. Just like the books didn't used to do more than mention the Trail of Tears until it became PC to do so, discussing Reconstruction will probably never be a PC topic so it will probably remain a rather shameful historic bruise.
 
2012-11-30 02:51:11 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com 
Greatest country band ever!
 
2012-11-30 02:51:38 PM  
Its so nice of you yankee liberal asses to decide what symbols mean for us.
 
2012-11-30 02:53:30 PM  

doubled99: Just like craig328, I lived for years in the south, and still have relatives there I see every year. Apparently, there is some amazing bizarro dimension that you continuously encounter, rife with irony. Terrible that a completely open minded, non-racist person such as yourself keeps encountering an array of dyed in the wool, 1800's style Confederate slave loving klansmen.

Dude, you're full of shiat.


I don't know where you're getting this klansmen thing from. You've referenced it several times, and I've never made any claim of the type. I have no experience that says they're "slave loving", nor have I said that. What I have said is that southerners that fly the flag will talk about it, quite openly, when they are asked. They defend it fiercely, with a myriad of half true historical facts, and weak cultural arguments. The arguments don't hold any water, are typically factually incorrect, and not defended logically. This isn't isolated to a few people, it's common among those that display it.

What I also said is that the symbol has real historical meaning, and it's not cultural. It's a well-established and documented symbol of a failed insurrection, and not appropriate to fly in the country in which the secession was attempted. It's a legally defined flag of failure and treason. And while it is within their rights to fly it on their private property (a right created and defended by the country they spit on), it deserves ridicule, scorn, and every ounce of shame that can be thrown at it.
 
2012-11-30 02:54:58 PM  
I fully agree that civil war battlefields need to be preserved, but absolutely disagree that the southern side should be portrayed as a noble cause, because it wasn't. The battlefields should be preserved, as a reminder of what happens to a country when traitors try to destroy a country from the inside.
 
2012-11-30 02:55:09 PM  
What exactly is Southern heritage? The South is part of the USA, so why not just say American heritage? I'm from Chicago, my boyfriend is from Manhattan, and I've never heard anyone talk about their "Northern" heritage. I'm an American; I don't define myself by what chunk of the country I'm from. I don't go around calling myself a Midwesterner.
 
2012-11-30 02:56:39 PM  

Gunslinger013: Exactly. It would be very interesting to hear the views of the north on this issue if it had the climate for large plantation style agriculture.

/in Cincinnati


What the north did have was a large industrial sector that needed cheap labor paid pennies a week to work with arm ripping machines of death ..if they hired you of course, which was unlikely if you were a minority. Remember, the Civil War ended in 1865, but equal opportunity employment didn't come around until about 100 years later.
 
2012-11-30 02:59:17 PM  

bobgilbert: I am sad that he is involved in this.

Trace Adkins plays a benefit concert every year for my cousin's special needs school in the Nashville area. Every single year I am amazed at how genuine and kind he is and am always so appreciative of his efforts to raise money and put on an amazing show for free. He stays afterwards, treats the kids and adults with incredible respect and just couldn't possibly be any more of a gentleman.

Bad judgement on the earpiece but I truly believe he is a good man.


I like when I find CSBs like this on Fark.


My high school mascot was a rebel so the confederate flag was school merchandise and we played Dixie at ball games. The school was tiny and had horrible funding, underdogs at everything, so in an odd way it fit. That said, I hate how back home, everyone goes on and on about it being their heritage. In Kentucky. Kentucky wasn't the south. But, whatever.
 
2012-11-30 02:59:52 PM  

craig328: Khellendros: Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.

Not high but it's apparent you're having trouble with the whole "wide brush" approach to making a point. Your entire posit is redolent with suggested self-superior attitude (with references to broad based ignorance in comparison to your more enlightened knowledge base, for instance) and, as such, you appear incapable of anything other than opinion based on bias. Residing in Virginia, Texas and Oklahoma hardly equates to knowing either jack or shiat about the south and visiting relatives in Atlanta and Myrtle Beach wouldn't seem to be a ringing endorsement of authenticity. However, I could be just as guilty as you about conclusions based on assumptions.

What I did say was that I'm from the south, my family was old Florida back when all of the states' population would have fit into the Orange Bowl today. An old relative on my father's side rode with the 1st Florida cavalry and fought at Shiloh. Others lived in coastal North Carolina and lost everything they had. And no, they weren't the local wealthy slave-owner type...they were just regular maritime mercantile who had all their property "commandeered" by the local army commandant for "emergency use" that was promptly sold to a carpetbagger and taken somewhere up north. Point is: I'm from the south, have lived here most of my life and, as opposed to being "high", I do actua ...


You history here is irrelevant. I used locations only to reference the large number of people I regularly encounter flying the Confederate flag. The number is quite large. And when confronted, asked, or challenged about it, nearly ever one defends it with religious ferocity. And they'll do so for as long as you'll speak with them. You may not have experienced this, as you either agree with them (so the conversation never comes up), or you're steeped in it far enough that you're numb to the experience.

Call me full of shiat all you want, but it's a reality.
 
2012-11-30 03:02:01 PM  

Coco LaFemme: What exactly is Southern heritage? The South is part of the USA, so why not just say American heritage? I'm from Chicago, my boyfriend is from Manhattan, and I've never heard anyone talk about their "Northern" heritage. I'm an American; I don't define myself by what chunk of the country I'm from. I don't go around calling myself a Midwesterner.


Northern heritage? Child labor and discrimination.

/or something
 
2012-11-30 03:02:13 PM  

tiggis: Its so nice of you yankee liberal asses to decide what symbols mean for us.


Its nicer of you southern pricks to tell us what to be offended by. Black people didn't wake up one day and decide the Confederate flag was racist. If you're angry because people post bad things about you on the internet when you fly it, blame your great-grandfather.
 
2012-11-30 03:03:02 PM  

Digital Communist: How dare people* be proud of their heritage!

*people I was taught not to like


I'm proud of my German heritage. You don't see me flying the Nazi flag, though, because I'm not proud of that particular period in Germany's history. This is a either a distinction lost on the tards who fly the confederate flag, or they are proud of treason and racism that the confederate flag represents.
 
2012-11-30 03:04:43 PM  
If pink cowboy hats infuriated people north of the Mason-Dixon Line, every other person in the South would wear one.
 
2012-11-30 03:06:45 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Digital Communist: How dare people* be proud of their heritage!

*people I was taught not to like

I'm proud of my German heritage. You don't see me flying the Nazi flag, though, because I'm not proud of that particular period in Germany's history. This is a either a distinction lost on the tards who fly the confederate flag, or they are proud of treason and racism that the confederate flag represents.


That or the fact that it gets them more attention than anything else their existence could possibly produce.
 
2012-11-30 03:06:46 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Digital Communist: How dare people* be proud of their heritage!

*people I was taught not to like

I'm proud of my German heritage. You don't see me flying the Nazi flag, though, because I'm not proud of that particular period in Germany's history. This is a either a distinction lost on the tards who fly the confederate flag, or they are proud of treason and racism that the confederate flag represents.


What treasonous slave-owners might look like:

americansforprosperity.org
 
2012-11-30 03:08:10 PM  
Link

Figured someone should post this to make up for Trace Adkins
 
2012-11-30 03:08:40 PM  
What I also said is that the symbol has real historical meaning, and it's not cultural. It's a well-established and documented symbol of a failed insurrection, and not appropriate to fly in the country in which the secession was attempted. It's a legally defined flag of failure and treason. And while it is within their rights to fly it on their private property (a right created and defended by the country they spit on), it deserves ridicule, scorn, and every ounce of shame that can be thrown at it.



Some people feel offended by it, so it's offensive.
The ones who fly it feel it means something different. So it does. For them.

The swastika once meant something completely different. Symbols change with perception.
 
2012-11-30 03:08:52 PM  

Khellendros: craig328: Khellendros: Are you high? Nearly every southerner that flies the rebel flag, sticks it on their car, or wears it on their clothes is happy to talk to you about why. At great length. They have little internal consistency as to the reason why, and their historical accuracy is somewhere on the level of Beka textbooks, but they do have a lot to say about it. After living in Virginia for eleven years, spending months of time with family in Georgia, the Carolinas, and living in Oklahoma and Texas for most of the last 20 years, I can tell you from experience that rebel fliers love talking openly about their "culture", and why they fly that flag.

Not high but it's apparent you're having trouble with the whole "wide brush" approach to making a point. Your entire posit is redolent with suggested self-superior attitude (with references to broad based ignorance in comparison to your more enlightened knowledge base, for instance) and, as such, you appear incapable of anything other than opinion based on bias. Residing in Virginia, Texas and Oklahoma hardly equates to knowing either jack or shiat about the south and visiting relatives in Atlanta and Myrtle Beach wouldn't seem to be a ringing endorsement of authenticity. However, I could be just as guilty as you about conclusions based on assumptions.

What I did say was that I'm from the south, my family was old Florida back when all of the states' population would have fit into the Orange Bowl today. An old relative on my father's side rode with the 1st Florida cavalry and fought at Shiloh. Others lived in coastal North Carolina and lost everything they had. And no, they weren't the local wealthy slave-owner type...they were just regular maritime mercantile who had all their property "commandeered" by the local army commandant for "emergency use" that was promptly sold to a carpetbagger and taken somewhere up north. Point is: I'm from the south, have lived here most of my life and, as opposed to being "high", I do ac ...


Internet tough guy patrolling the South for Confederate flag bearers. Sounds legit.
 
2012-11-30 03:09:33 PM  

hasty ambush: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: You cannot love the Confederate flag and viably claim to love America. The two are mutually exclusive. PICK ONE.

Can I fly my State Flag ?

What about people who fly the Pan-African flag? the Mexican flag? Puerto Rico's flag?. The gay Flag?

How are you on the subject of dual citizenship?


Your state is a subset of the USA, Mexico is an ally of the the USA, and Puerto Rico is a subset of the USA. The CSA was at war with the USA for pretty much all of it's existence. Therein lies the difference.
 
2012-11-30 03:11:02 PM  

hdhale: Slavery was the primary issue under the States' Rights umbrella, but not the only issue. People who didn't own slaves nor work for people who did were concerned about the reach of the Federal government into local affairs, trade and tariffs, and the like. It was Lincoln that made the war all about slavery and the national narrative followed that line after the war.


The biggest overreach of federal power against states rights prior to the Civil War was the Fugitive Slave Act.
 
2012-11-30 03:11:39 PM  

Khellendros: You history here is irrelevant. I used locations only to reference the large number of people I regularly encounter flying the Confederate flag. The number is quite large. And when confronted, asked, or challenged about it, nearly ever one defends it with religious ferocity. And they'll do so for as long as you'll speak with them. You may not have experienced this, as you either agree with them (so the conversation never comes up), or you're steeped in it far enough that you're numb to the experience.

Call me full of shiat all you want, but it's a reality.i>
Internet tough guy patrolling the South for Confederate flag bearers. Sounds legit.

 
2012-11-30 03:12:22 PM  

Coco LaFemme: What exactly is Southern heritage? The South is part of the USA, so why not just say American heritage? I'm from Chicago, my boyfriend is from Manhattan, and I've never heard anyone talk about their "Northern" heritage. I'm an American; I don't define myself by what chunk of the country I'm from. I don't go around calling myself a Midwesterner.


I would say that Southern Heritage refers to a region. Where other parts of the country are more inclined to be more localized ie, Boston, Jersey, New England, buroughs of New York all have there own culture some derived from their geographic heritage.
 
2012-11-30 03:13:37 PM  

Coco LaFemme: What exactly is Southern heritage? The South is part of the USA, so why not just say American heritage? I'm from Chicago, my boyfriend is from Manhattan, and I've never heard anyone talk about their "Northern" heritage. I'm an American; I don't define myself by what chunk of the country I'm from. I don't go around calling myself a Midwesterner.


I actually disagree with that. I consider myself more a New Yorker than an American; if only for the fact that America is so damn diverse geographically and culturally that I have far more in common with someone from, say, Brooklyn than I will from someone from Salt Lake City or rural Kansas.

I think it is far more of an identifier.

Although you'd think if say, someone was proud to be, say, from Alabama, they'd just fly the Alabama flag.
 
2012-11-30 03:15:03 PM  

TheHappTroll: WorldCitizen: vernonFL: Yet we have no problems with Bayer aspirin, Porsche, Mitsubishi or Hugo Boss.

Is anyone claiming to be bothered by any companies based in the former Confederacy?

"former Confederacy?"

We currently exist under the occupation of The United States inc, our culture, our customs, our heritage and most importantly, our Constitution, are alive and unconquered awaiting the day when freedom loving Americans awaken to once again take up the banner of truth and regain our sovereignty.


The best part of that is the copyright notice at the bottom, which is protected by US Law.
 
2012-11-30 03:15:09 PM  

Doom MD: Internet tough guy patrolling the South for Confederate flag bearers. Sounds legit.


Nice exaggeration. I don't "patrol", but I do ask about it when I see it. And how did this turn into an Internet Toughguy discussion? Debating politics is suddenly an ITG issue? WTF? Do you not discuss politics, culture, or academic subjects with people outside of your immediate social circle?
 
2012-11-30 03:15:56 PM  

jshine: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.

Isn't the US as a whole based on a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection? Our flag should be:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x400]


The irony is that flag supports the American notion that they were not citizens in the eyes of British law.

The flag of the United Kingdom is made up of component parts of the flags of England, Scotland, and Ireland. There is no American component to the Union Jack.
 
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