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2012-11-30 12:59:43 PM

mcwehrle: no one takes this seriously


Country singer Trace Adkins does. Seriously enough to specifically go out and wear one, and on national TV, no less.

Really, the "you should just chill out" argument cuts both ways. If the confederate flag is "no big deal" then it's "no big deal" to stop wearing it, now is it?
 
2012-11-30 01:00:56 PM
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2012-11-30 12:41:10 PM


doubled99: *yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.

You either don't live in the south, or talk to people who adamant in flying the confederate flag on a regular basis. There is an exceptionally strong insurrectionist and secessionist attitude among most confederate flag flyers that they are morally right, the U.S. is wrong, and their "country" will rise again.

Spend some time in small town Alabama or South Carolina. Chat with them for an hour or two. You'll understand exactly why the fly the rebel flag, and it's not for "old southern culture".




Lived in Atlanta for 8 years. Only met two backwoods farks in my entire time there that expressed anything even close to this nonsense. And both of them were the butt of jokes even to their friends.
 
2012-11-30 01:00:58 PM
Idiot southerners (and norhterners) who wave a confederate flag amaze me because they advertise a willfull ignorance of their hown history.

Link
 
2012-11-30 01:01:56 PM

Gunslinger013: karnal:

Feigned outrage is just pathetic

Yet so fashionable these days...


Yes, that is how this


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Became this

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BOZ
2012-11-30 01:03:03 PM
All of you folks who are saying the Confederate flag is a racist symbol are youthful idiots. It is only in the last 20 or 30 years that is has come to be branded as such by those wanting to stir up shiat. If you don't like that flag, then don't pay attention to it. As far as I know the flag has never hurt anyone. And if you are one of those racists that use the confederate flag to promote your thoughts, well screw you too.
 
2012-11-30 01:03:06 PM
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2012-11-30 01:03:11 PM
South Park pretty well summed up the Trace types
 
2012-11-30 01:05:07 PM

0z79: I know what the Confederate flag has come to represent, but I also understand that after a certain point, it was flown by people who didn't give a crap about all that, they were defending their homes from assholes who were coming in to kill, rape, pillage and steal; to them, that flag represented the pride in what they worked for and their right to defend it.

The South deserves a -lot- of the derision it gets, but it's willful ignorance to believe that the Yankees were 100% saints during that period.


Exactly. It would be very interesting to hear the views of the north on this issue if it had the climate for large plantation style agriculture.

/in Cincinnati
 
2012-11-30 01:05:21 PM
Confederate Flag != Swastika

/nice troll, submitter, +1
 
2012-11-30 01:05:36 PM

kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.


Isn't the US as a whole based on a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection? Our flag should be:

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2012-11-30 01:05:59 PM

The_Sponge: FirstNationalBastard: FriarReb98: dr_blasto: /just don't like modern shiatty country music

I prefer to refer to it as "Southern Pop." It belongs with classic country as much as a whale belongs in the middle of Kansas, with Taylor Swift being the (admittedly hot) poster child for why my title is apt.

Agreed.

Popular Country Music is what we should all be offended by. It's not country, it's pop with violins (fiddle is too country a word to use anymore). It's made by frustrated wannabe popstars, and marketed toward minivan driving soccer moms.

But it is NOT COUNTRY.9

Now, real country music still lives on... they call it Alt Country (among other labels) now. You can find it with some digging... satellite radio, the internet, but you'll never hear real country on TV or FM radio ever again, because it's not as marketable as blonde barbie pop star wannabe shaking her ass and singing her latest girl power anthem.


I never thought it would be possible for somebody to be a country music hipster.

/I keed.


It's related to Rule #34. If it exists, there is a hipster of it.
 
2012-11-30 01:07:11 PM

Gunslinger013: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: What a buffoon. Not only does he wear the damn thing but then he back peddles when he gets called on it. If you're going to wear it, f*cking own it, you twit.
Now he's a traitor to his country and a traitor to the confederacy. A traitor squared, if you will.
(and a racist)
(and a coward)

Looks to me like you're ready to be butthurt no matter what the guy does.


Make no mistake, I am indeed always ready to be butthurt. It's kind of a hobby of mine.

That being a given, my point is this. However you choose to represent yourself, do it like you mean it. This guy wants to be seen as a confederate loyalist to his slackjawed fans but can't take the heat when he gets called out on it. The jerk off needs to choose a side and go balls out. Otherwise, he's a coward. (as he demonstrated)
 
2012-11-30 01:07:26 PM

sweetmelissa31: hasty ambush: "What the [American] flag is, is a symbol of terrorism and death and fear and destruction and oppression."Jennie Traschen UMass prof. 10 Sept 2001

I'm sort of confused as to how you heard about that. I know her, and I have never heard about that before. She's not exactly a well-known person.


The wonders of the internet:

skip to about the 1:10:00 mark
 
2012-11-30 01:07:27 PM

hasty ambush: The new standard for freedom of expression is that you can do what you want as long as nobody is offended


Bullshiat. You can wave a toilet rag if you want. But I have just as much right to call you an ignorant douchebag for doing it.

Freedom of expression goes both ways.
 
2012-11-30 01:08:14 PM

hdhale: rufus-t-firefly: If we're going to talk about history, let's at least get the basic facts straight.

The basic facts are that with the exception of a few units in the Trans-Mississippi region, the square or rectangular version of the Confederate battle flag was used by all the Confederate armies as they standardized their colors. Since I know you aren't one of those guys that spends hours getting just the proper shade of butternut on the uniform blouses for his Civil War miniatures set, are we done here?


I don't see any citations, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Every reference I've seen explains things the way I understand them, but I'm open to learning new things.

HOWEVER...

Now, it's established that the "Confederate flag" as it is generally known was the battle flag of the Confederacy. So..."patriots" are flying a flag that was used in battle against the armies of the United States.

United States Constitution, Article 3, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them
, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Thus, the flag represents treason.

If we were talking about the actual Stars and Bars - or, hell state flags - it could be argued that the flag represents an idea. But a flag that was actually used by those were were literally levying war against the United States via bullets and shells.

Flying a flag that was used in battle against the United States, and saying it represents your beliefs, means that you sympathize with traitors. You might as well put up a statue of Benedict Arnold in front of your house - he just had "unpopular opinions," you know.

But, in all honesty, I couldn't give a rat's ass if someone plasters that flag all over their vehicle and their clothes. But claiming that it ONLY represents "freedom" or "states' rights" or "heritage" is insulting to everyone's intelligence. 

Not that you were saying these things - just that I hear it all the farking time because I live in Texas.
 
2012-11-30 01:08:24 PM
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A good Rebel
 
2012-11-30 01:09:14 PM

jshine: Isn't the US as a whole based on a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection? Our flag should be:


It's only treason if you lose. Or as the SEALs say "It Pays to be a Winner".
 
2012-11-30 01:09:50 PM

hasty ambush: Gunslinger013: karnal:

Feigned outrage is just pathetic

Yet so fashionable these days...

Yes, that is how this


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Became this

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Holy shiat... the Confederates had an Air Force? How the hell did they lose?
 
2012-11-30 01:10:16 PM

jshine: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.

Isn't the US as a whole based on a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection? Our flag should be:

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Right, but winning a revolution means you're legitimate. We won, made peace, and later allied with our founding nation.

It's all good.
 
2012-11-30 01:10:47 PM

hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.

Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

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The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.


Once again proving why I have you farkied.
 
2012-11-30 01:11:50 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: If a bunch of states seceded today I'd be all for it. But slavers need their countries burned down around their ears and unionists are a perfectly acceptable tool for that task.

I'm all for "neither this nor that" but lesser evilism does very occasionally have a place. Basically, I guess what I'm trying to say is Both Sides Are Bad, So Burn Down Atlanta.


Pretty much THIS.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:37 PM

SkunkWerks: mcwehrle: no one takes this seriously

Country singer Trace Adkins does. Seriously enough to specifically go out and wear one, and on national TV, no less.

Really, the "you should just chill out" argument cuts both ways. If the confederate flag is "no big deal" then it's "no big deal" to stop wearing it, now is it?


I think you may have misunderstood my intent.

Trace Adkins is a "country" (for the sake of clarity, not inviting opinion) singer. "Country" singers, self proclaimed "rebel rednecks" and the like proudly wear this....symbol of what they think is something awesome. The symbol has become a watered down sidenote of history, which is very sad, but is also true. Adkins not wanting to back off wearing this symbol of whatever to me is much the same as any sillyhead wearing a 'rebel' belt buckle or the like. They don't have a clear meaning of what it ever represented, and when challenged, they go into the only explanation they have ever known.

I don't see that Adkins wearing this thing as a part of his hick hockum 'country' stage persona is a big deal, and I don't know why people are this upset about it. In fact I am truly surprised with the way the whole symbolism of it has been watered down. I still think it's pretty childish for this amount of coverage to be had on Adkins, when at probably at least 500 hick town bars, upscale joints somewhere in the south, etc, have at least some form of 'rebel' accoutrement up with no explanation of the REAL meaning, along with another 1000 or so bad country bands that will be playing this friday and saturday night with a confederate flag painted on the drums or hanging from the wall or on their black t-shirts.

So why no issues there and only with Adkins? That is my point.
 
2012-11-30 01:13:17 PM

Publikwerks: jshine: Isn't the US as a whole based on a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection? Our flag should be:

It's only treason if you lose. Or as the SEALs say "It Pays to be a Winner".


Exactly. As long as we're not trying to say that "treason is wrong because its morally wrong", but rather "its okay as long as you win" ("might makes right") -- then I'm fine with it. Because that's the real difference between the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. One was successful & its proponents were heroes, the other was not successful and its proponents were traitors.
 
2012-11-30 01:13:53 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

Its no more offensive than the US flag.


I agree with this.
 
2012-11-30 01:16:19 PM
Yeah.

www.kissmyrebelass.com


Alive and Kickin where I'm from.
 
2012-11-30 01:16:52 PM

Phony_Soldier: Holocaust Agnostic: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

Its no more offensive than the US flag.

I agree with this.


Pretty much this. When the US was founded, it was founded as a nation of slave-owners who were committing treason, and slavery was written into our very Constitution. Both flags have very dubious beginnings if that's the metric that is going to be used.
 
2012-11-30 01:17:09 PM

RDixon: I used to drive around the D.C. area with a big rebel flag draped over the back seat.

Not a single person said a word about it.....to my face.

I also like to wear a Cowboys football jacket during football season.

There were lots of people said things about that.


Look out! It's CONTRARY MAN!


/thanks for dropping in to tell us
 
2012-11-30 01:18:06 PM

Publikwerks: My Heritage.
upload.wikimedia.org



Kinda neat to have the regimental flag- my Great-Great-Great Grandfather (I think that's the right number of greats) was in the navy, so you don't get that. All we really know about what he did during the war is that he was captured and lot a leg at Andersonville. Somebody in the family has copies of his enlistment and discharge papers somewhere too. One of the many Irish immigrants to come over and find themselves fighting in a war just a few years later.
 
2012-11-30 01:19:36 PM

clane: Very sad that so many ignorant people in this country have convinced themselves this has something to do with racism.


It is sad indeed.
 
2012-11-30 01:20:16 PM

BOZ: All of you folks who are saying the Confederate flag is a racist symbol are youthful idiots. It is only in the last 20 or 30 years that is has come to be branded as such by those wanting to stir up shiat. If you don't like that flag, then don't pay attention to it. As far as I know the flag has never hurt anyone. And if you are one of those racists that use the confederate flag to promote your thoughts, well screw you too.



True, it's not a racist symbol but rather a symbol carried into battle by a bunch of guys who wanted to preserve chattel slavery as an institution so they could continue to treat people as livestock. Racists may think they descend from a higher form of humanity but rarely do they advocate a viewpoint that would equate people with inanimate objects or beasts of burden.
 
2012-11-30 01:20:42 PM
So pay him in that confederate money you get at dime stores on the town square in the south -- something like $5,000 for $1.25.
 
2012-11-30 01:21:36 PM

hasty ambush: The new standard for freedom of expression is that you can do what you want as long as nobody is offended


America: Land of the Offended!
 
2012-11-30 01:23:40 PM
Trace.

Trace?
 
2012-11-30 01:29:29 PM
www.global-air.com

Organized after the Civil War, the goal of the Klan was to destroy Congressional Reconstruction by murdering blacks and whites who were active in Republican politics. (new window)
 
2012-11-30 01:29:33 PM

hdhale: Slavery was the primary issue under the States' Rights umbrella, but not the only issue. People who didn't own slaves nor work for people who did were concerned about the reach of the Federal government into local affairs, trade and tariffs, and the like. It was Lincoln that made the war all about slavery and the national narrative followed that line after the war.



Slavery, the closing of western territories to slavery, and the shift in political balance from an even split between free soil and slave states were the driving causes towards secession. The issue was spun by politicians and interested parties as government overreach into local affairs. Trade and tariffs were an issue BECAUSE of their impact on cotton and tobacco as commodities of trade. Southern views on trade and tariff policy would be tremendously different if the economy had not been dominated by plantation agriculture. So let's not pretend there were a diverse array of issues motivating secession...all roads led to the institution of slavery.

Their own declarations support this as well:

Link
 
2012-11-30 01:34:42 PM

Cythraul: sigdiamond2000: Anyone ever heard the phrase "northern heritage" used by anyone?

No. But I've heard of the term 'Northern Aggression.' :)


Which is funny because the South fired on the North first.

/the South will rise again but quickly sit back down into their Rascals
 
2012-11-30 01:35:16 PM

hasty ambush: The new standard for freedom of expression is that you can do what you want as long as nobody is offended



Really asshole? Do you see anyone calling for his arrest? Have the police been called to take him to jail so he can be charged with Disturbing the Peace - Offensive Speech?

The whole "offended" line of thought is broken circular logic. You accuse others of wanting to restrain expression when the ultimate goal of that accusation is to prevent people from expressing how offended they are. While you have every right to be an asshole (by wearing Confederate apparel for example) everyone else has a right to react to your actions and express themselves.
 
2012-11-30 01:36:57 PM

Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
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How many Soviet flags have you seen out there?

And how many Che Guevara shirts have you seen IN PERSON?

I see a treason flag nearly every single day.

Daily on the Che and soviet flag t shirts,

So you live in Havana?

And if the CSA flag is fine, then why are you bothered by the Che and Soviet images?

It could be argued that neither Che Guevara or the Soviet Union waged war on the United States - unlike the Confederate States.

I don't particularly like traitors and those who wave the flag of treason while claiming to be patriots, but that's just me.

I just try to live and let live, dont like it dont look at it. I dont like the che shirts so i dont wear them but i will not tell others they can not no matter how retarded they are.... IMHO. Freedom, this is how it works.


THANK YOU!
Finally, someone gets it...Che is a murderous asshole, the Soviets killed eradicated more groups of people than the Nazi's killed Jews, the Rebel flag makes people look like inbred hicks.

-BUT-

It is your right to wear it...and look stupid. Freedom. 

"It could be argued that neither Che Guevara or the Soviet Union waged war on the United States - unlike the Confederate States."

Also, WTF on who said this. Ever heard of the Cold War? The Soviets were our SWORN enemy for decades. We may not have gotten in a physical war, but we were definitely at war with them as a country.
 
2012-11-30 01:37:06 PM

JK47: hdhale: Slavery was the primary issue under the States' Rights umbrella, but not the only issue. People who didn't own slaves nor work for people who did were concerned about the reach of the Federal government into local affairs, trade and tariffs, and the like. It was Lincoln that made the war all about slavery and the national narrative followed that line after the war.


Slavery, the closing of western territories to slavery, and the shift in political balance from an even split between free soil and slave states were the driving causes towards secession. The issue was spun by politicians and interested parties as government overreach into local affairs. Trade and tariffs were an issue BECAUSE of their impact on cotton and tobacco as commodities of trade. Southern views on trade and tariff policy would be tremendously different if the economy had not been dominated by plantation agriculture. So let's not pretend there were a diverse array of issues motivating secession...all roads led to the institution of slavery.

Their own declarations support this as well:

Link


My understanding is Lincoln supported slavery at first. Then, after needing something to galvanize the north, had his come to jesus moment:

From wikipedia: My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

Lincoln was just a panderer who needlessly got a bunch of people killed.
 
2012-11-30 01:37:51 PM

doyner: Adkins - on a USO tour in Japan - also called for the preservation of America's battlefields and an "honest conversation about the country's history."

Be careful what you ask for, buddy.


You know, it's possible that he may know something about it. I mean, it's obviously an interest to him, he has the means and the time to delve into it. Just as a for instance: there are those who don't have so much an issue with the war the Civil War went so much as they have an issue with the way the post war occupation and Reconstruction went. Most folks running about with the public school version of American history have practically zero clue how bad it got in the south once the war was over.

The war lasted 4 years...the pillaging and plundering lasted for as long as 16 years in some places. It's no coincidence that the poorest states in the country today tend to be those who were under Reconstruction the longest. Imagine how delightful a place like Massachusetts would be if say nearly everything of worth was taken and those doing the taking had the blessing of the government and 10+ years to clean the place out.

/be careful indeed
 
2012-11-30 01:38:09 PM
europeanstudieslund.files.wordpress.com

Try and find anything but this in Barcelona. The Catalonians are doing it the right way.
 
2012-11-30 01:39:02 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Samwise Gamgee: Therion: In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Confederate flags meant {Beavis voice} "I'm a Rebel! Rebels are Cool!" {/Beavis voice}

It wasn't until the 90s that Confederate flags started being strongly equated with Slavery and Racism, and an awful lot of folks still think that Confederate flags still mean "I'm a Rebel! Rebels are Cool!"

I think those people (what do you mean, those people?) still wear/ use the symbol to "stick it to the libs!"

To educated folks it's a symbol of oppression, to uneducated folks it's a symbol of cool. Screaming at the uneducated that their cool symbol is a hate symbol isn't the way to educate them.

(lived in the North most of my life, in Austin the last two decades, and I haven't owned anything with a Confederate flag on it since being a teenager. Comment added before some dumbass accuses me of "defending the Confederate flag")

Yeah, this. The Dukes of Hazzard had a car called the General Lee that had a huge Confederate flag on the roof. I don't remember much public outcry back then. As you said, it didn't really have 'racist' connotations until the 90's for some reason.

Nope. None at all.

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In all fairness though, a group's attachment to a symbol does not necessarily speak about the symbol itself. The Tea Party always has a load of American flags at their rallies. Doesn't mean the stars & stripes stands for their idiocy. I'd be those photos are the same way, the flag's seen as a symbol of what they think the current establishment is (even if they're living in a fantasy world). That "ya'll are trying to change our state/country/city!" aspect. Regardless of other connotation conservatives love to wave around stuff that has history - mostly because they're completely unwilling to accept that things change with time.
 
2012-11-30 01:41:40 PM

hasty ambush: The new standard for freedom of expression is that you can do what you want as long as nobody is offendedyou can handle the criticism for being an asshat


FTFY
 
2012-11-30 01:42:28 PM

beantowndog: I'm sure he has many blah friends.


And he will be happy to tell you whenever the President is near.
 
2012-11-30 01:43:56 PM

Gunslinger013: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: What a buffoon. Not only does he wear the damn thing but then he back peddles when he gets called on it. If you're going to wear it, f*cking own it, you twit.
Now he's a traitor to his country and a traitor to the confederacy. A traitor squared, if you will.
(and a racist)
(and a coward)

Looks to me like you're ready to be butthurt no matter what the guy does.


Did someone say "Butthurt?"

I think this is one of those threads where you are more likely to get a level headed debate arguing theology with a goldfish. So I just lurk, waiting for the next "butthurting"
 
2012-11-30 01:44:30 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Joe Blowme: Funny how much outrage people have over this past yet silent on current countries that have slaves today.

Including the modern United States.

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The slave trade now is arguably as large as it ever has been, in terms of the number of slaves being brought in.


This. Slavery isn't gone. People are either completely unaware or don't care because these slaves don't speak English.
 
2012-11-30 01:45:10 PM

Felix_T_Cat: My roommate (from Texas) has a CSA tattoo and a rebel flag hanging in his room. Yet he plays with the Iraqi kids and goes camping with their parents. The Tamils from India just love him, the majority of his friends are black and his best friend is black. He's politically a democrat.

He does regret the tattoo (left over from his reenactment days). When people see it, they make assumptions about him. We were working on a poverty project and when people noticed it, they shied away from him.

Really, the most blatant racism I ever saw was in Maryland. Several people came up to me to try and explain why bigotry was correct. I wasn't running my mouth either. I just made a comment about something and they sought me out. I didn't see any flags though.

I never understood the Nazi memorabilia affection either. One guy I knew explained his as identifying with the regular Germans who were picked up and ground up in the machine of a war over which they had no personal power. Identifying a sort of hopelessness. The uniform of someone who strove, but was doomed. I don't know what to think about that. I was surprised to here him say it, because I assumed he was just a Nazi. He's the only guy who ever explained his fascination to me. I don't think most people thank that much about it.

/I do know where I am, but don't care. Somebody get me a drink and put me in cell 2.


Wecome to my favourites.
 
2012-11-30 01:45:58 PM

doubled99: Lived in Atlanta for 8 years. Only met two backwoods farks in my entire time there that expressed anything even close to this nonsense. And both of them were the butt of jokes even to their friends.


Did someone say "Butthurt?"...umm...err...false alarm
 
2012-11-30 01:47:13 PM
It's a symbol of rebellion. That's it. A tamer middle finger.
 
2012-11-30 01:47:45 PM

kronicfeld: FlashHarry: "southern heritage," my ass. it's a symbol of slavery and treason, nothing more.

You shouldn't even have to reach the "slavery" element, since that just opens the door to the argument that there was more to southern culture than slavery, which is of course true. The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection should be enough to condemn it.


What the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection might look like.

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