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2012-11-30 12:05:28 PM  

hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.

Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

[www.sonofthesouth.net image 650x476]

The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.


Which states' rights? The right to own slaves?
 
2012-11-30 12:05:51 PM  
"treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?
 
2012-11-30 12:05:52 PM  

Khellendros: Doom MD: Khellendros: doubled99: To you, and many others, it is.
To many in the south, it isn't.
Everyone's opinion is equal.

They had an organized insurrectionist army, a minor navy, declared themselves an independent nation, drafted and ratified papers to that effect, adopted a recognized flag as a battle standard

Sounds like the colonists in the 1700s.

Correct. And had we lost, it would be unacceptable for us to fly the stars and stripes today, claiming a "cultural history" while secretly celebrating our rebellion and claiming the patriots would rise again to claim the colonies and drive the Brits out. Had the south won the war, it would be perfectly acceptable to fly the rebel flag, since it would be their country standard.


Ok, from this standpoint your view is logically coherent. I will say though that the standard of what is and is not acceptable is still in this circumstance is one dependant on viewpoint. Are you arguing from a legal or ethical/moral standpoint? Waving a confederate flag is acceptable under freedom of speech, although I suppose if it were done in the context of a serious push for armed rebellion the federal government could find a legal avenue for recourse.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:09 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Artistic liberties might have been taken by the engraver. The print is authentic, and widely documented.

Are you denying the existence of the US slave trade? Boston and Rhode Island were home to many slave traders.


Huh? I meant like if the entire picture was used as the American flag.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:16 PM  
I know what the Confederate flag has come to represent, but I also understand that after a certain point, it was flown by people who didn't give a crap about all that, they were defending their homes from assholes who were coming in to kill, rape, pillage and steal; to them, that flag represented the pride in what they worked for and their right to defend it.

The South deserves a -lot- of the derision it gets, but it's willful ignorance to believe that the Yankees were 100% saints during that period.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:17 PM  
Oh Jeez, not this shiat again.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:26 PM  

Publikwerks: WorldKnowledge: [www.revisionisthistory.org image 280x341]

It's a southern thing you pathetic Yankees!

You mean like committing treason? Or is it a stupidity thing?
//Go to hell Johnny Reb


If you want to fall for the looking-for-a-reason to be offended propaganda, be my guest.

Here's a little know reality in your circles -

I was in Georgia and kept seeing black men with that flag on their shirts cars and etc.
So being from the liberal la la land of California, I asked one of them at a gas station about their donning of the flag.
He tells me and I quote, "Pardon me sir, but you y'all must be a Yankee to think I'm not proud of this flag"!
 
2012-11-30 12:09:02 PM  

jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?


Well, in our case, the colonies won therefore we get to fly our flag. Last I checked the history books, the Confederates lost.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:15 PM  

doyner: clane: Very sad that so many ignorant people in this country have convinced themselves this has something to do with racism.

It's equally sad that it is a favored symbol among racists.


Wakeup, Blacks are much much more racist than whites.

99.999% of all black men wearing bow tie's are extremly racist about 3% of white men with the confederate flag are racist.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:23 PM  

hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.

Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

[www.sonofthesouth.net image 650x476]

The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.


Yes, I'm aware it is the battle flag. I'm also aware it is state's rights to maintain slavery.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:37 PM  

FriarReb98: the_rev: Ah. There it is. This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.

THIS. Personally I'm offended that people still think a rebel flag isn't square. But that's why I have a history degree and they don't.


No kidding! What really kills me is people get all butt hurt over a symbol that wasn't even a CSA flag and completely miss all the Southern State flags that are patterned after the real CSA flag.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:38 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
[static.flickr.com image 500x341]
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[www.westernjournalism.com image 299x269] 
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How many Soviet flags have you seen out there?

And how many Che Guevara shirts have you seen IN PERSON?

I see a treason flag nearly every single day.

Daily on the Che and soviet flag t shirts,

So you live in Havana?

And if the CSA flag is fine, then why are you bothered by the Che and Soviet images?

It could be argued that neither Che Guevara or the Soviet Union waged war on the United States - unlike the Confederate States.

I don't particularly like traitors and those who wave the flag of treason while claiming to be patriots, but that's just me.


I just try to live and let live, dont like it dont look at it. I dont like the che shirts so i dont wear them but i will not tell others they can not no matter how retarded they are.... IMHO. Freedom, this is how it works.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:57 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Kraftwerk Orange: Artistic liberties might have been taken by the engraver. The print is authentic, and widely documented.

Are you denying the existence of the US slave trade? Boston and Rhode Island were home to many slave traders.

Huh? I meant like if the entire picture was used as the American flag.


My apologies, I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were complaining the flag in the engraving wasn't accurate.
 
2012-11-30 12:10:53 PM  
"Country singer flys rebel flag."

ER MER GERRRRRD
 
2012-11-30 12:11:07 PM  

0z79: I know what the Confederate flag has come to represent, but I also understand that after a certain point, it was flown by people who didn't give a crap about all that, they were defending their homes from assholes who were coming in to kill, rape, pillage and steal; to them, that flag represented the pride in what they worked for and their right to defend it.

The South deserves a -lot- of the derision it gets, but it's willful ignorance to believe that the Yankees were 100% saints during that period.


I don't know anyone that thinks the North acted like saints.

In fact, I think they kinda like what Sherman did, even knowing *what* he did. So much so we named a tank after him.
 
2012-11-30 12:11:11 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Doom MD: I view the Confederate flag as a reminder of the single largest blow to states rights in American history. The entire legal argument (and hence the conclusion reached by forces of arms) for the Civil War is essentially that a state has no right to secede from the Union. People who looks at the Confederate flag and think about hillbillies and slavery are not thinking large enough.

Yeah, it's almost like people will read the secession declarations from the seceding states and see dozens of references to slavery as a direct cause of their decision to secede.

South Carolina (the first state to secede) had as its first specific grievance that abolitionist states weren't giving fugitive slaves back to their masters. And they explained that the election of an abolitionist was the last straw.

Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the jud ...


You're not refuting anything I have posited. The confederate states seceded (largely) because of slavery. The Civil War, however, was fought because the United States fought with the belief that a state lacks the ability to secede from the Union. Do you see the distinction I'm making here?
 
2012-11-30 12:11:12 PM  

hdhale: Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.


...Because of slavery. I mean, that like saying "The Nazi's were really about economic stagnation and income equality".

And I know, Goodwin. But I think it's fair . I mean, 1.2-2.4 million Africans died in transport to America. Estimates that I have seen put the total death toll around 10 million, which exceeds the Holocaust.

Your right, it was about states rights. And the south was wrong. States do not have the right to violate the basic human rights. And those soldiers died fighting for an awful cause. So I would just as soon piss on their grave than honor them.
 
2012-11-30 12:11:17 PM  

PsyLord: jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?

Well, in our case, the colonies won therefore we get to fly our flag. Last I checked the history books, the Confederates lost.


If might makes right is our standard, then head south and start tearing down flags that offend you.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:35 PM  

hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrection

Armed insurrection in support of slavery.

Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.

[www.sonofthesouth.net image 650x476]

The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.


No, that's not the Confederate battle flag.

That's either the naval jack with the colors of the Army of Northern Virginia's battle flag or it's the flag of the Army of Tennessee.

Link

If we're going to talk about history, let's at least get the basic facts straight.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:03 PM  

Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?
[static.flickr.com image 500x341]
[writetodie.files.wordpress.com image 300x300] 
[www.westernjournalism.com image 299x269] 
[skew.dailyskew.com image 500x400]


levinejudaica.com


Missed one.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:50 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: [i48.photobucket.com image 425x425]


You know what the only thing offensive in that picture is?

Some cocksucking sons of biatches stole Bill Watterson's creation and used it on a whole line of stupid, retarded stickers like that.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:59 PM  
i26.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 12:14:04 PM  

Joe Blowme: IMHO. Freedom, this is how it works.


We also have the freedom to make fun of people who wear confederate flags or tattoo their faces or put gigantic gauges in their ears or whatever. I agree that getting mad or outraged about it is silly though.
 
2012-11-30 12:14:24 PM  
Detail recedes with time. The end of slavery, abhorrent as the practice was, wasn't about concern for slaves so much as it was about reinforcing a factory system of production. After victory, it wasn't like the North did much for the ex-slaves.
 
2012-11-30 12:14:42 PM  
He should have a red-hot poker jammed in his ear-hole as punishment. Put his eardrum out.
 
2012-11-30 12:14:43 PM  
I wear my rebel flag stuff half ironically/half as a symbol of southern pride.

::shrugs::
 
2012-11-30 12:14:47 PM  
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2012-11-30 11:48:45 AM


doubled99: To you, and many others, it is.
To many in the south, it isn't.
Everyone's opinion is equal.

They had an organized insurrectionist army, a minor navy, declared themselves an independent nation, drafted and ratified papers to that effect, adopted a recognized flag as a battle standard, and citizens under that standard continued to hold it long after their side of the war was lost and their attempt at secession was lost. That's not an opinion. That's not an "idea". That's a nationally recognized standard, enshrined in numerous officially recognized and ratified documents.

Revisionist histories can't sugar coat this one. It's a recognized symbol of treason and secession that lost. Some groups in the south still attempt to claim this flag, nation, and way of life today, but subtly change its meaning to try to justify the rebellion. It's a facade that breaks down under the smallest amount of scrutiny and questioning. It's no different than Nazi symbols in Germany today or Soviet symbols in eastern Europe. They still have well-understood meanings and histories, and no amount of cultural smoke screening can undo the historical facts of what they are and what they represent.




*yawn.
Lighten up Francis. You seem to be stuck in a time period you can't even comprehend.

None of that shiat has anything to do with why people display the rebel flag on their shirt, or earpiece or whatever.
 
2012-11-30 12:15:21 PM  
Oh, some of you USA-ians are a funny bunch. Makes being neighbours interesting.

"Ha-Ha! Lookit dem silly Muslins over der in de Muddle Yeast, fighting over stuff that happened touwsands of yars ago..."

*[incident causes offence to a Southern state]*

"Balargh! War of Northin Agressin! SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!"
 
2012-11-30 12:15:27 PM  

clane:
Wakeup, Blacks are much much more racist than whites.

99.999% of all black men wearing bow tie's are extremly racist about 3% of white men with the confederate flag are racist.


Bless your heart.
 
2012-11-30 12:15:28 PM  

Road_Kill: No kidding! What really kills me is people get all butt hurt over a symbol that wasn't even a CSA flag and completely miss all the Southern State flags that are patterned after the real CSA flag.


Did someone say "Butthurt?"
 
2012-11-30 12:15:37 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: PsyLord: jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?

Well, in our case, the colonies won therefore we get to fly our flag. Last I checked the history books, the Confederates lost.

If might makes right is our standard, then head south and start tearing down flags that offend you.


content7.flixster.com
/knows a thing or two about what winners get to do
 
2012-11-30 12:16:08 PM  
farking South.

Never won a war.
 
2012-11-30 12:16:36 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rufus-t-firefly: [i48.photobucket.com image 425x425]

You know what the only thing offensive in that picture is?

Some cocksucking sons of biatches stole Bill Watterson's creation and used it on a whole line of stupid, retarded stickers like that.


Fun fact: there are almost no legitimate Calvin and Hobbes merchandise out there. The sticker is definitely a bootleg if its tackiness didn't alert you already.
 
2012-11-30 12:17:05 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rufus-t-firefly: [i48.photobucket.com image 425x425]

You know what the only thing offensive in that picture is?

Some cocksucking sons of biatches stole Bill Watterson's creation and used it on a whole line of stupid, retarded stickers like that.


iirc the reason that was able to happen was because he never allowed those images/characters to be used in ads so that no big company had an interest in them and he didn't have the money or reach to protect them.
 
2012-11-30 12:17:14 PM  

Publikwerks: hdhale: Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.

...Because of slavery. I mean, that like saying "The Nazi's were really about economic stagnation and income equality".

And I know, Goodwin. But I think it's fair . I mean, 1.2-2.4 million Africans died in transport to America. Estimates that I have seen put the total death toll around 10 million, which exceeds the Holocaust.

Your right, it was about states rights. And the south was wrong. States do not have the right to violate the basic human rights. And those soldiers died fighting for an awful cause. So I would just as soon piss on their grave than honor them.


The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.
 
2012-11-30 12:17:14 PM  
I'm more offended by the fact that Trace Adkins' music is liked by enough people that he is able to become rich off of it than what symbols he uses to identify with his inferior culture.
 
2012-11-30 12:17:42 PM  

WorldKnowledge: If you want to fall for the looking-for-a-reason to be offended propaganda, be my guest.

Here's a little know reality in your circles -

I was in Georgia and kept seeing black men with that flag on their shirts cars and etc.
So being from the liberal la la land of California, I asked one of them at a gas station about their donning of the flag.
He tells me and I quote, "Pardon me sir, but you y'all must be a Yankee to think I'm not proud of this flag"!


It was the battle flag taken up by people set on killing my fellow Americans for a evil cause. Thats all I need to know
 
2012-11-30 12:19:47 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.


OK, unless I missed where they killed millions of other civilians in some other thing, I would say it was.
 
2012-11-30 12:19:58 PM  
Publikwerks


It was the battle flag taken up by people set on killing my fellow Americans for a evil cause. Thats all I need to know



Probably all you can handle, too. Best not think too deeply.
 
2012-11-30 12:20:04 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Oh, some of you USA-ians are a funny bunch. Makes being neighbours interesting.

"Ha-Ha! Lookit dem silly Muslins over der in de Muddle Yeast, fighting over stuff that happened touwsands of yars ago..."

*[incident causes offence to a Southern state]*

"Balargh! War of Northin Agressin! SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!"


Interesting you should say that in a thread full of yankees shiatting themselves with rage over an earpiece.
 
2012-11-30 12:20:20 PM  
Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and morons love the Confederate flag.
 
2012-11-30 12:20:27 PM  

Publikwerks: WorldKnowledge: If you want to fall for the looking-for-a-reason to be offended propaganda, be my guest.

Here's a little know reality in your circles -

I was in Georgia and kept seeing black men with that flag on their shirts cars and etc.
So being from the liberal la la land of California, I asked one of them at a gas station about their donning of the flag.
He tells me and I quote, "Pardon me sir, but you y'all must be a Yankee to think I'm not proud of this flag"!

It was the battle flag taken up by people set on killing my fellow Americans for a evil cause. Thats all I need to know


The America flag was taken up by people bent on killing other people for an evil cause too. Get over it.
 
2012-11-30 12:21:13 PM  

kindms: I don't recall anyone accusing those dukes boys as being racist ?

[www.northerntool.com image 400x400]

I thought that would be Boss hog


The guy who played Warrick on CSI was on one of those "pimp my ride" shows where he had the new Dodge Challenger and they put the Stars and Bars on it but in the colors of the Jamaican flag. I thought that was pretty cool....mon!
 
2012-11-30 12:22:21 PM  
Aww hell, did the Germans bomb Fort Sumter again?
 
2012-11-30 12:23:10 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Joe Blowme: Funny how much outrage people have over this past yet silent on current countries that have slaves today.
Including the modern United States.
The slave trade now is arguably as large as it ever has been, in terms of the number of slaves being brought in.


From your chart I see you forgot to count the economic slavery of minimum wage earners currently struggling to keep ahead of their bills.
 
2012-11-30 12:23:52 PM  

Publikwerks: Holocaust Agnostic: The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.

OK, unless I missed where they killed millions of other civilians in some other thing, I would say it was.


I'd say it wasn't the be all but it was the end all...
 
2012-11-30 12:24:08 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: farking South.

Never won a war.


We did pretty well winning the Revolution to save all the yankees that had been captured (New York, Boston, Philly...)

thomsonpark.files.wordpress.com 

First Victory of the Revolution: Battle Of Sullivan's Island, Charleston SC. June 28, 1776.
 
2012-11-30 12:24:35 PM  

Doom MD: You're not refuting anything I have posited. The confederate states seceded (largely) because of slavery. The Civil War, however, was fought because the United States fought with the belief that a state lacks the ability to secede from the Union. Do you see the distinction I'm making here?


I understand the distinction...but it isn't correct.

There was a legal argument to be made, but the seceding states decided to resort to force of arms.

And what event moved it from legal to martial? An attack on a Federal installation.

The Confederacy could have taken things through courts, but they chose force.

And, finally, the war itself didn't resolve the question of secession - the Supreme Court did.

Texas v. White (1870).

The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
...
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
...
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.


The Confederacy did not seek consent from the other states, didn't try the court system, and lost their war of rebellion.

They chose poorly.
 
2012-11-30 12:25:24 PM  

Publikwerks: WorldKnowledge: If you want to fall for the looking-for-a-reason to be offended propaganda, be my guest.

Here's a little know reality in your circles -

I was in Georgia and kept seeing black men with that flag on their shirts cars and etc.
So being from the liberal la la land of California, I asked one of them at a gas station about their donning of the flag.
He tells me and I quote, "Pardon me sir, but you y'all must be a Yankee to think I'm not proud of this flag"!

It was the battle flag taken up by people set on killing my fellow Americans for a evil cause. Thats all I need to know



Ignorance is bliss.
 
2012-11-30 12:25:29 PM  

Budgie53: HappyTheDog: George Washington owned 316 slaves and he's on the one dollar bill. Give the redneck a break and lighten up Francis.

General U.S.Grant, "The Man Who Saved The Union" owned slaves and he's on the $50 bill.


My 6th great-uncle was Robert E. Lee, yet my name is Grant. What were you thinking Mom?
 
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