hdhale: dr_blasto: kronicfeld: The fact that it is the flag of a treasonous, secessionist armed insurrectionArmed insurrection in support of slavery.Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.Also, the flag you see typically used by "just the good o' boys never meaning no harm..." is actually the Confederate Battle Flag, not the official flag of the Confederate States of America.[www.sonofthesouth.net image 650x476]The Confederate Battle Flag was carried by Confederate armies through the Civil War and while you might think that the flag of the losing army shouldn't be a source of pride, there are millions of decedents of many thousands of Confederate soldiers that served their state and their communities proudly that would tell you that you are wrong. They fought well and most gave everything they had. There was much mutual respect between the veterans of both armies at the end of that war--because it was earned.
Khellendros: Doom MD: Khellendros: doubled99: To you, and many others, it is.To many in the south, it isn't.Everyone's opinion is equal.They had an organized insurrectionist army, a minor navy, declared themselves an independent nation, drafted and ratified papers to that effect, adopted a recognized flag as a battle standardSounds like the colonists in the 1700s.Correct. And had we lost, it would be unacceptable for us to fly the stars and stripes today, claiming a "cultural history" while secretly celebrating our rebellion and claiming the patriots would rise again to claim the colonies and drive the Brits out. Had the south won the war, it would be perfectly acceptable to fly the rebel flag, since it would be their country standard.
Kraftwerk Orange: Artistic liberties might have been taken by the engraver. The print is authentic, and widely documented.Are you denying the existence of the US slave trade? Boston and Rhode Island were home to many slave traders.
Publikwerks: WorldKnowledge: [www.revisionisthistory.org image 280x341]It's a southern thing you pathetic Yankees!You mean like committing treason? Or is it a stupidity thing?//Go to hell Johnny Reb
jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?
doyner: clane: Very sad that so many ignorant people in this country have convinced themselves this has something to do with racism.It's equally sad that it is a favored symbol among racists.
FriarReb98: the_rev: Ah. There it is. This is what everyone's all butthurt about? Tapdancing Christ on a cracker...people will go to such great pains to find something to be offended about.THIS. Personally I'm offended that people still think a rebel flag isn't square. But that's why I have a history degree and they don't.
rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?[static.flickr.com image 500x341][writetodie.files.wordpress.com image 300x300] [www.westernjournalism.com image 299x269] [skew.dailyskew.com image 500x400]How many Soviet flags have you seen out there?And how many Che Guevara shirts have you seen IN PERSON?I see a treason flag nearly every single day.Daily on the Che and soviet flag t shirts,So you live in Havana?And if the CSA flag is fine, then why are you bothered by the Che and Soviet images?It could be argued that neither Che Guevara or the Soviet Union waged war on the United States - unlike the Confederate States.I don't particularly like traitors and those who wave the flag of treason while claiming to be patriots, but that's just me.
sweetmelissa31: Kraftwerk Orange: Artistic liberties might have been taken by the engraver. The print is authentic, and widely documented.Are you denying the existence of the US slave trade? Boston and Rhode Island were home to many slave traders.Huh? I meant like if the entire picture was used as the American flag.
0z79: I know what the Confederate flag has come to represent, but I also understand that after a certain point, it was flown by people who didn't give a crap about all that, they were defending their homes from assholes who were coming in to kill, rape, pillage and steal; to them, that flag represented the pride in what they worked for and their right to defend it.The South deserves a -lot- of the derision it gets, but it's willful ignorance to believe that the Yankees were 100% saints during that period.
rufus-t-firefly: Doom MD: I view the Confederate flag as a reminder of the single largest blow to states rights in American history. The entire legal argument (and hence the conclusion reached by forces of arms) for the Civil War is essentially that a state has no right to secede from the Union. People who looks at the Confederate flag and think about hillbillies and slavery are not thinking large enough.Yeah, it's almost like people will read the secession declarations from the seceding states and see dozens of references to slavery as a direct cause of their decision to secede.South Carolina (the first state to secede) had as its first specific grievance that abolitionist states weren't giving fugitive slaves back to their masters. And they explained that the election of an abolitionist was the last straw.Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the jud ...
hdhale: Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually.
PsyLord: jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?Well, in our case, the colonies won therefore we get to fly our flag. Last I checked the history books, the Confederates lost.
Joe Blowme: Other symbols of opression and slavery i know all of you who hate the rebel flag also hate, right?[static.flickr.com image 500x341][writetodie.files.wordpress.com image 300x300] [www.westernjournalism.com image 299x269] [skew.dailyskew.com image 500x400]
rufus-t-firefly: [i48.photobucket.com image 425x425]
Joe Blowme: IMHO. Freedom, this is how it works.
clane: Wakeup, Blacks are much much more racist than whites.99.999% of all black men wearing bow tie's are extremly racist about 3% of white men with the confederate flag are racist.
Road_Kill: No kidding! What really kills me is people get all butt hurt over a symbol that wasn't even a CSA flag and completely miss all the Southern State flags that are patterned after the real CSA flag.
Holocaust Agnostic: PsyLord: jruland: "treasonous armed insurrection"...you mean the same type of thing that got us our independence from england?Well, in our case, the colonies won therefore we get to fly our flag. Last I checked the history books, the Confederates lost.If might makes right is our standard, then head south and start tearing down flags that offend you.
FirstNationalBastard: rufus-t-firefly: [i48.photobucket.com image 425x425]You know what the only thing offensive in that picture is?Some cocksucking sons of biatches stole Bill Watterson's creation and used it on a whole line of stupid, retarded stickers like that.
Publikwerks: hdhale: Armed insurrection in support of states' rights, actually....Because of slavery. I mean, that like saying "The Nazi's were really about economic stagnation and income equality".And I know, Goodwin. But I think it's fair . I mean, 1.2-2.4 million Africans died in transport to America. Estimates that I have seen put the total death toll around 10 million, which exceeds the Holocaust.Your right, it was about states rights. And the south was wrong. States do not have the right to violate the basic human rights. And those soldiers died fighting for an awful cause. So I would just as soon piss on their grave than honor them.
WorldKnowledge: If you want to fall for the looking-for-a-reason to be offended propaganda, be my guest.Here's a little know reality in your circles -I was in Georgia and kept seeing black men with that flag on their shirts cars and etc.So being from the liberal la la land of California, I asked one of them at a gas station about their donning of the flag.He tells me and I quote, "Pardon me sir, but you y'all must be a Yankee to think I'm not proud of this flag"!
Holocaust Agnostic: The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.
ObscureNameHere: Oh, some of you USA-ians are a funny bunch. Makes being neighbours interesting."Ha-Ha! Lookit dem silly Muslins over der in de Muddle Yeast, fighting over stuff that happened touwsands of yars ago..."*[incident causes offence to a Southern state]*"Balargh! War of Northin Agressin! SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!"
Publikwerks: WorldKnowledge: If you want to fall for the looking-for-a-reason to be offended propaganda, be my guest.Here's a little know reality in your circles -I was in Georgia and kept seeing black men with that flag on their shirts cars and etc.So being from the liberal la la land of California, I asked one of them at a gas station about their donning of the flag.He tells me and I quote, "Pardon me sir, but you y'all must be a Yankee to think I'm not proud of this flag"!It was the battle flag taken up by people set on killing my fellow Americans for a evil cause. Thats all I need to know
kindms: I don't recall anyone accusing those dukes boys as being racist ?[www.northerntool.com image 400x400]I thought that would be Boss hog
Kraftwerk Orange: Joe Blowme: Funny how much outrage people have over this past yet silent on current countries that have slaves today.Including the modern United States.The slave trade now is arguably as large as it ever has been, in terms of the number of slaves being brought in.
Publikwerks: Holocaust Agnostic: The Holocaust is hardly the be all end all of nazi crimes.OK, unless I missed where they killed millions of other civilians in some other thing, I would say it was.
StoPPeRmobile: farking South.Never won a war.
Doom MD: You're not refuting anything I have posited. The confederate states seceded (largely) because of slavery. The Civil War, however, was fought because the United States fought with the belief that a state lacks the ability to secede from the Union. Do you see the distinction I'm making here?
Budgie53: HappyTheDog: George Washington owned 316 slaves and he's on the one dollar bill. Give the redneck a break and lighten up Francis.General U.S.Grant, "The Man Who Saved The Union" owned slaves and he's on the $50 bill.
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