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2012-11-30 10:21:08 AM

IntertubeUser: As a student, I'm looking forward to taking notes in a classroom with this. OneNote recognizes the handwritten symbols and operators used in college-level math classes. I've been lusting after better ways of taking notes in class and recording lectures and it looks like the Surface Pro will work wonderfully.

My only gripe is that it won't have Office 2010 (or 2013) already installed; I'll have to buy that separately.

Comparing the Surface Pro to the iPad is stupid.


When the Surface RT was released, I was hoping it would have a full office suite for similar reasons. I don't care about "apps", etc, I wanted a tablet that could use Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access, Projects, etc, play music and videos, and browse the web. Perfect for travel when working, especially with that softcover. Alas, it was not to be. 1000$ for hardware that can do all that is just too much, especially with the lack of touchpad AND office suites in the initial package. If Apple (or Android) sold a machine with a fully functional version of Office (and a softcover keyboard would be a bonus), I'd be sold quick.

I know most think of tablets as entertainment machines, and that's likely true, but we use iPads at the office as a replacement for paper in house and in the field (we're an environmental engineering company, a lot of forms and design drawings and notes). We've managed to get some third party software that lets us make custom forms, but having Office on the damn things (and again, a soft keyboard) would make them 10x more useful.

As you said, the Surface Pro looks like it can perform the task, but the cost, lack of included hardware, additional cost for Office, and the lack of battery life is a big downer. (I don't know if battery life could be improved; like the speed of light, limits on energy density and energy consumption are hard realities to deal with.)
 
2012-11-30 10:31:01 AM

sprawl15: cman: And Ballmer scratches his head wondering why Microsoft isnt succeeding outside the Windows/Office/XBOX world

Developers, developers, developers?


This will be Apple's eventual downfall in the mobile market. Apple's strategy to behave like a spoiled brat and regular habit of shiatting on it's developer community will bite them in the ass eventually. MS would have to completely train wreck every tablet they plop out.
 
2012-11-30 10:32:04 AM

H31N0US: If this is going to be a generic tablet thread I will say that I got a 7" Fire HD for my Mother in law and it is awesome. Only problem is that Amazon too has adopted the walled garden approach, and their garden is sparse as of this typing. However, for an Amazon prime member, the free streaming video itself is awesome, and the sound / resolution on the thing is fantastic.


Amazon at least gives you the option of sideloading apps on the Fire. That walled garden has a pretty good sized gate.
 
2012-11-30 10:36:55 AM
It's not too far out of the norm for an i5 laptop, both price and battery life, which is what the Surface Pro is. Comparing it to an iPad is like comparing an old clamshell cell phone to a Galaxy S3 and biatching that the latter is more expensive and drains faster.
 
2012-11-30 10:37:02 AM

Kazan: redmid17: Kazan: also since when is 5 hours of battery life bad?

My cheapo Android tablet has a 5 hr battery life with moderate to high usage. That's fine for me because I really only use it when I'm travelling or commuting to/from work on the bus/train. The upside is also that it will either charge off a DC plug or a micro USB plug to 80% in 30-45 minutes. It cost me around 80 bucks with shipping. Granted the size of the tablet affects battery life, but throwing down $1000 for a tablet/pseudo laptop replacement makes me expect a lot more from it.

performance comes at the price of battery life. ignoring this simple fact is the issue.


It's 3 mm thinner than the Macbook Air with no keyboard and the same processor with worse battery life. Comparing it to my tablet might be not be the greatest idea, but Microsoft is about 3-4 years late to the party.
 
2012-11-30 10:42:59 AM

RexTalionis: sasbazooka: Well, Intel based is a good thing. Too bad Intel hasn't figured out how to be power efficient yet.

That may be true, but I think the ultimate limitation is the form factor - remember, ultrabooks and the Macbook Air can get anywhere from 6-10 hours worth of battery life, and they all run Intel chips inside.

No it gets 4-5(11") you might want to check out Apples own website. This has a higher screen resolution, 10 point touch, and a pen digitizer. Microsoft made the Surface to force OEM's to get off their asses and make some quality products. So far the only one to do is Lenovo.
 
2012-11-30 10:44:51 AM
double the price, thicker/heavier, and half the battery life? Sorry Microsoft, no deal. Just about any of the new generation Windows-8 ultrabooks are a better deal.
 
2012-11-30 10:44:57 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: RexTalionis: sasbazooka: Well, Intel based is a good thing. Too bad Intel hasn't figured out how to be power efficient yet.

That may be true, but I think the ultimate limitation is the form factor - remember, ultrabooks and the Macbook Air can get anywhere from 6-10 hours worth of battery life, and they all run Intel chips inside.
No it gets 4-5(11") you might want to check out Apples own website. This has a higher screen resolution, 10 point touch, and a pen digitizer. Microsoft made the Surface to force OEM's to get off their asses and make some quality products. So far the only one to do is Lenovo.


My coworkers easily get 6+ hours on the 13" issued in 2011. It's really annoying when we're travelling and I have to lug around my charger because I have 4 hours of battery life if I'm on the lowest brightness setting and disable just about every accessory.
 
2012-11-30 10:47:08 AM

redmid17: drjekel_mrhyde: RexTalionis: sasbazooka: Well, Intel based is a good thing. Too bad Intel hasn't figured out how to be power efficient yet.

That may be true, but I think the ultimate limitation is the form factor - remember, ultrabooks and the Macbook Air can get anywhere from 6-10 hours worth of battery life, and they all run Intel chips inside.
No it gets 4-5(11") you might want to check out Apples own website. This has a higher screen resolution, 10 point touch, and a pen digitizer. Microsoft made the Surface to force OEM's to get off their asses and make some quality products. So far the only one to do is Lenovo.

My coworkers easily get 6+ hours on the 13" issued in 2011. It's really annoying when we're travelling and I have to lug around my charger because I have 4 hours of battery life if I'm on the lowest brightness setting and disable just about every accessory.


Ok just realized the 13" probably has a larger battery but I would be astounded if the 11" only got 5 hours
 
2012-11-30 10:49:17 AM

IntertubeUser: Having a digital version of my class notes, which takes my crappy handwriting and makes it readable, lets me edit and rearrange and color code and highlight my notes, and can sync with recordings from the lecture ... a thousand dollars might be worth it. Hell, I could even get Kindle versions of my textbooks and lighten my backpack up even more.


Portable scanner: $100
Kindle: $100
Ten Notepads: $50
Biro: $2

There you go: complete solution to everything you need for $250 on top of your existing laptop. Oh, and if you lose your superduper notetaking machine or drop it, you lose $7. The Kindle will be easier to read than an LCD screen (or use Kindle App on your current laptop).

My workflow with clients is to take notes on paper and the minute I get back to the office, I scan them, put them in the project repository and shred the paper. Unless you're using a WACOM tablet, whatever you do won't look as good as paper + scanner.
 
2012-11-30 10:49:47 AM

divx88: sprawl15: cman: And Ballmer scratches his head wondering why Microsoft isnt succeeding outside the Windows/Office/XBOX world

Developers, developers, developers?

This will be Apple's eventual downfall in the mobile market. Apple's strategy to behave like a spoiled brat and regular habit of shiatting on it's developer community will bite them in the ass eventually. MS would have to completely train wreck every tablet they plop out.


This!

When the best available option for programming on your platform is to buy a third party product that lets you write in an actual usable language you've got problems.
 
2012-11-30 10:55:22 AM
As I've said before and I'll say again.

It's going to be yet another x86 based full fat tablet. It's not going to be heavier, thicker, hotter and noisier than an ARM based slate it won't have the battery life of an ARM based slate.

You can buy these already and in fact they pre-date the ARM based slates by a considerable number of years (going all the way back to 96 and the GRiDPad).

Also, suck it MS fanbois & shills. I was right. But then I know the farking technology.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:37 AM
It's going to be rather.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:27 AM

Vaneshi: As I've said before and I'll say again.

It's going to be yet another x86 based full fat tablet. It's not going to be heavier, thicker, hotter and noisier than an ARM based slate it won't have the battery life of an ARM based slate.

You can buy these already and in fact they pre-date the ARM based slates by a considerable number of years (going all the way back to 96 and the GRiDPad).

Also, suck it MS fanbois & shills. I was right. But then I know the farking technology.


It's more than a tablet, it's the only tablet that is capable of doing the same work as a laptop. This is designed for enterprise not for home use. Our head honcho has a laptop and a new iPad, buying both of those cost us more than $1200. We could now get the Surface pro and save money since it could be used to do actual work and still be in tablet fashion.

Go dig up Jobs and give him another hummer.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:28 AM
The Pro is the first tablet that looks like it could reasonably be used a permanent replacement for a laptop. That's the only thing I see that this dumb thing has going for it. I don't have a tablet because I don't need a farking smartphone and a tablet and a laptop.

If I could buy a tablet that could effectively do double duty as a laptop when I need one I'd buy a tablet. But I'm still not buying this one.
 
2012-11-30 11:09:21 AM

Vaneshi: As I've said before and I'll say again.

It's going to be yet another x86 based full fat tablet. It's not going to be heavier, thicker, hotter and noisier than an ARM based slate it won't have the battery life of an ARM based slate.

You can buy these already and in fact they pre-date the ARM based slates by a considerable number of years (going all the way back to 96 and the GRiDPad).

Also, suck it MS fanbois & shills. I was right. But then I know the farking technology.


Now that you're done congratulating yourself, what are you on about?
 
2012-11-30 11:09:57 AM

farkeruk: IntertubeUser: Having a digital version of my class notes, which takes my crappy handwriting and makes it readable, lets me edit and rearrange and color code and highlight my notes, and can sync with recordings from the lecture ... a thousand dollars might be worth it. Hell, I could even get Kindle versions of my textbooks and lighten my backpack up even more.

Portable scanner: $100
Kindle: $100
Ten Notepads: $50
Biro: $2

There you go: complete solution to everything you need for $250 on top of your existing laptop. Oh, and if you lose your superduper notetaking machine or drop it, you lose $7. The Kindle will be easier to read than an LCD screen (or use Kindle App on your current laptop).

My workflow with clients is to take notes on paper and the minute I get back to the office, I scan them, put them in the project repository and shred the paper. Unless you're using a WACOM tablet, whatever you do won't look as good as paper + scanner.


Then you're pasting .pdf images into a .docx? How easily can you edit what's in the .pdf image itself? Besides, being able to write and the software automatically interpreting what you're writing into nice, clean, editable .docx notes seems a heck of a lot easier than what you're describing.

BTW, if I drop or lose my existing laptop, I'm out more than the cost of the Surface Pro.
 
2012-11-30 11:11:23 AM
I'm an Apple guy, but I really like the idea of the Surface Pro. I don't think it's overpriced or the battery life is that bad for what it is.

I really like the idea of having a Tablet/Ultrabook in one. I've been going back and forth about getting a MacBook Air, and I think that I'll just continue to wait. Since the Surface Pro is x86-based, it's just a matter of time before someone shoehorns Ubuntu or OS X on it anyway.

I'm game for it, but count me out as an early adopter.
 
2012-11-30 11:12:47 AM

LasersHurt: Now that you're done congratulating yourself, what are you on about?


What's he on about? It sounds like he's on about 10 different kinds of medication at once.

But I would assume the point is that this will be a clunky, heavy and expensive laptop that does no better than an iPad. Which is stupid since the iPad is a toy while this is designed to target enterprise users. And it's barely any heavier. Or thicker.
 
2012-11-30 11:18:11 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: Now that you're done congratulating yourself, what are you on about?

What's he on about? It sounds like he's on about 10 different kinds of medication at once.

But I would assume the point is that this will be a clunky, heavy and expensive laptop that does no better than an iPad. Which is stupid since the iPad is a toy while this is designed to target enterprise users. And it's barely any heavier. Or thicker.


I honestly think it would be great to have a Win 8 machine proper in that format. And $899 seems reasonable for what it actually is.

Granted, I'm sure he'd disagree because he "knows the technology." Apparently nobody else in the world does.
 
2012-11-30 11:19:39 AM

sasbazooka: Too bad Intel hasn't figured out how to be power efficient yet.


Intel has some fairly power-efficient models. Core i5's aren't among them.

WTF are you doing, Microsoft.
 
2012-11-30 11:22:18 AM

poot_rootbeer: sasbazooka: Too bad Intel hasn't figured out how to be power efficient yet.

Intel has some fairly power-efficient models. Core i5's aren't among them.

WTF are you doing, Microsoft.


Choosing a platform with enough power/price ratio?

Intel seems to be moving away from LGA to BGA in their mainlines by the end of the 2013s. Integrated, lower power. I think If you're looking for full power PCs in tablet form with low power, you're maybe waiting til then.

Intel's current lower power chips may not have been the right choice here.
 
2012-11-30 11:25:09 AM

IntertubeUser: Then you're pasting .pdf images into a .docx? How easily can you edit what's in the .pdf image itself? Besides, being able to write and the software automatically interpreting what you're writing into nice, clean, editable .docx notes seems a heck of a lot easier than what you're describing.


Show me a tablet someone automatically interpreting handwriting at a reasonable speed.
 
2012-11-30 11:28:33 AM

IntertubeUser: Then you're pasting .pdf images into a .docx? How easily can you edit what's in the .pdf image itself? Besides, being able to write and the software automatically interpreting what you're writing into nice, clean, editable .docx notes seems a heck of a lot easier than what you're describing.


I type 10 times faster than I write. Given the option, I'd rather type.
 
2012-11-30 11:35:09 AM

RexTalionis: IntertubeUser: Then you're pasting .pdf images into a .docx? How easily can you edit what's in the .pdf image itself? Besides, being able to write and the software automatically interpreting what you're writing into nice, clean, editable .docx notes seems a heck of a lot easier than what you're describing.

I type 10 times faster than I write. Given the option, I'd rather type.


IntertubeUser: "This is the way I want to use this."
You: "But that doesn't work for me."
 
2012-11-30 11:41:07 AM

farkeruk: IntertubeUser: Then you're pasting .pdf images into a .docx? How easily can you edit what's in the .pdf image itself? Besides, being able to write and the software automatically interpreting what you're writing into nice, clean, editable .docx notes seems a heck of a lot easier than what you're describing.

Show me a tablet someone automatically interpreting handwriting at a reasonable speed.


Typing...you're right. But I'm a math major. And I've seen other students with Asus tablets using Office in class and the handwriting recognition of Greek letters, integral and derivative notation, etc., is far faster than using Equation Editor. Also, drawing graphs and other diagrams...can't type that.

I might be alone here, but having editable math notes...that's a big deal for me.
 
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2012-11-30 11:43:58 AM
And then there's this sucker. Runs a good 10 hours on 4 AA NiMHs. Bring a spare set, and you're literally good for a whole day.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 11:53:45 AM

farkeruk:
Portable scanner: $100
Kindle: $100
Ten Notepads: $50
Biro: $2



$5/notepad? A 90 page spiral is ~$0.85 during back to school week sales. Is VAT that ridiculous?
 
2012-11-30 12:00:53 PM

HeartBurnKid: That's actually fairly average for an Core i5-based system, both in battery life and in price. Yes, yes, I know, the iPad has better battery life, but the iPad is also not nearly as capable.

To put it in terms an Apple fan can understand, the Surface RT is the iPad. The Surface Pro is the Modbook. I'm not saying that I'm a fan of MS's current direction, but comparing the iPad to the Surface Pro is like comparing apples to bulldozers.


At that price, you're not competing against an iPad. You're competing against a Macbook Air with an eight hour battery life..
 
2012-11-30 12:08:00 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: $5/notepad? A 90 page spiral is ~$0.85 during back to school week sales. Is VAT that ridiculous?


No, I just buy higher quality writing pads like Pukka Pads. YMMV.

/don't buy Moleskines. You aren't going to turn into Ernest Hemingway because of it.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:06 PM
For those trying to understand what the Surface Pro is and why it is spec'd the way it is, let me run this scenario by you:

Suppose you're an engineer and at some factory somewhere. You work with some kind of CAD program, like AutoCAD for example, at your desktop. You're in the middle of updating some designs and you need to take a look at the actual layout. With the Surface Pro you can have a full version of AutoCAD installed, with the exact same interface and capabilities as the version on your desktop(because they are the same version). That allows you to grab the tablet, go downstairs and take a look at whatever it is you're designing and make complicated changes with the full version of AutoCAD installed on your tablet right there. When you're done, you can go back upstairs and continue working on your desktop, all seamlessly. Now I know that there are AutoDesk released an app for iOS and Android but they're a different layout and no where near full featured. It's also somewhat limited in what file types it can use and how it uses them. In addition, the iOS and Android tablets are using low powered processors which are slow and cumbersome (or just not capable) when looking at large DWG files.

In addition to this, from an IT perspective it's also very convenient. Since the Surface Pro is running Win8 Pro, it can seamlessly integrate with your domain and take all the GPOs and other security software. There's no need to try to shoehorn the software into the company network like you'd have to do with Android or iOS. Also, from a user perspective, the UI is identical whether you're on a tablet or desktop. You can configure you tablet to run exactly like you desktop with all the desktop programs OR you can configure it to use the more tablet friendly Metro style apps.

This all is very ambitious on MS's part and I'm skeptical that they can pull it off. But the vision, once you understand it, is actually pretty straight forward and not all that off the wall. The hope is that when a CEO or CIO decides that his company needs to get in on this tablet thing and looks at what it out there, he'll see that the MS tablets are already full compatible with all of his software and with the company network, plus they do all the same things iPads and Androids do. In short, MS is after the business customer, not you.
 
2012-11-30 12:22:11 PM
I like this concept better than a standard tablet.
Full featured and the RT's build quality has been good.
 
2012-11-30 12:22:15 PM

ForgotMyTowel: ...MS tablets are already full compatible with all of his software and with the company network, plus they do all the same things iPads and Androids do. In short, MS is after the business customer, not you.


Could not these tasks be done with an Ultrabook, cheaper and more functional?
 
2012-11-30 12:24:22 PM

ForgotMyTowel: You work with some kind of CAD program, like AutoCAD for example, at your desktop. You're in the middle of updating some designs and you need to take a look at the actual layout. With the Surface Pro you can have a full version of AutoCAD installed, with the exact same interface and capabilities as the version on your desktop(because they are the same version).


You know what else lets you run AutoCAD on the go? An ultrabook with double the battery life and a much, much, better screen resolution. Not to mention a discrete GPU with CUDA support.

Also, AutoCAD isn't capable of using a touch interface at all, so why would you want to run it on a device with a touch screen?.
 
2012-11-30 12:32:13 PM

TNel: Vaneshi: As I've said before and I'll say again.

It's going to be yet another x86 based full fat tablet. It's not going to be heavier, thicker, hotter and noisier than an ARM based slate it won't have the battery life of an ARM based slate.

You can buy these already and in fact they pre-date the ARM based slates by a considerable number of years (going all the way back to 96 and the GRiDPad).

Also, suck it MS fanbois & shills. I was right. But then I know the farking technology.

It's more than a tablet, it's the only tablet that is capable of doing the same work as a laptop. This is designed for enterprise not for home use. Our head honcho has a laptop and a new iPad, buying both of those cost us more than $1200. We could now get the Surface pro and save money since it could be used to do actual work and still be in tablet fashion.

Go dig up Jobs and give him another hummer.


People that do real work don't want a miniature touchscreen that looks like ass because they smear their filthy dickbeaters all over it.
 
2012-11-30 12:40:52 PM
If you stop and consider that the Pro does 50% more stuff and processes nearly EIGHT TIMES faster than the regular... it might make sense.
 
2012-11-30 12:41:26 PM

AdamK: Kazan: also since when is 5 hours of battery life bad?

it's half that of any laptop or competing tablet


Uhhh no. For a tablet, yes. For an ultrabook or (heaven forbid) a netbook, yes, for the better ones.

For your average or "any" laptop, even your high-end ones? Not even, not without a larger battery option which some do come with.
 
2012-11-30 12:44:45 PM

Kazan: Surface pro really isn't a tablet, it's an ultrabook in the form of a tablet


we all know how well those sold
 
2012-11-30 12:49:08 PM

moothemagiccow: Kazan: Surface pro really isn't a tablet, it's an ultrabook in the form of a tablet

we all know how well those sold


I think you're thinking of netbooks? Ultrabooks are doing well.
 
2012-11-30 12:49:19 PM

BullBearMS: ForgotMyTowel: You work with some kind of CAD program, like AutoCAD for example, at your desktop. You're in the middle of updating some designs and you need to take a look at the actual layout. With the Surface Pro you can have a full version of AutoCAD installed, with the exact same interface and capabilities as the version on your desktop(because they are the same version).

You know what else lets you run AutoCAD on the go? An ultrabook with double the battery life and a much, much, better screen resolution. Not to mention a discrete GPU with CUDA support.

Also, AutoCAD isn't capable of using a touch interface at all, so why would you want to run it on a device with a touch screen?.


AutoCAD can use a touch interface, you just can't "draw" with it. Instead you'd use the stylus the same way you would a mouse. Remember, AutoCAD won't know it's running on a tablet, it'll think it's on a standard desktop with a mouse and keyboard. Also, AutoCAD was one example I came up with off the top of my head. There are many other different programs across many industries that don't translate well to tablets because of limited processing power or other limitations of the architecture.

As far as an ultrabook being better, I imagine in many cases an ultrabook or laptop would be better. There are also instances where it's nice to have the conveniences of a tablet and it's simplified UI with the ability to switch over to work mode and run your full suite of desktop programs from one device. I'm not saying it's a one size fits all solution, but it fills the gap between ultrabooks and tablets. People will always be able to say "yeah but in this situation, device X would be better!" and they're normally right. But suffice to say, there is a demand for more powerful and capable tablets from the business world and MS is looking to meet it. How well they do it remains to be seen....
 
2012-11-30 12:51:34 PM

LasersHurt: moothemagiccow: Kazan: Surface pro really isn't a tablet, it's an ultrabook in the form of a tablet

we all know how well those sold

I think you're thinking of netbooks? Ultrabooks are doing well.


Ultrabooks are awesome. The lenovo is badass.
 
2012-11-30 12:53:32 PM

prjindigo: If you stop and consider that the Pro does 50% more stuff and processes nearly EIGHT TIMES faster than the regular... it might make sense.


Shhh don't cloud this thread with facts. Next you'll start pointing out that it is compatible with all of your existing software.

/Can't wait to get one of these
 
2012-11-30 12:56:25 PM

IntertubeUser: As a student, I'm looking forward to taking notes in a classroom with this. OneNote recognizes the handwritten symbols and operators used in college-level math classes. I've been lusting after better ways of taking notes in class and recording lectures and it looks like the Surface Pro will work wonderfully.

My only gripe is that it won't have Office 2010 (or 2013) already installed; I'll have to buy that separately.

Comparing the Surface Pro to the iPad is stupid.


Why?
 
2012-11-30 12:57:15 PM
I want to touch Excel all over
And over and over again
I want to touch Word all over
Till my battery gives in
(screechy voice)TILL MY BATTERY GIVES IN
 
2012-11-30 01:00:18 PM

farkeruk: IntertubeUser: Then you're pasting .pdf images into a .docx? How easily can you edit what's in the .pdf image itself? Besides, being able to write and the software automatically interpreting what you're writing into nice, clean, editable .docx notes seems a heck of a lot easier than what you're describing.

Show me a tablet someone automatically interpreting handwriting at a reasonable speed.


Can't speak for Windows 8/Surface, but I use a Windows 7 tablet & pen input for work - mostly going on inspections (so I am rarely sitting down) - and it's pretty damn impressive in interpreting handwriting quickly and with few errors including my chicken scratch. I'd assume that Windows 8 is at least as good if not better than 7.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:21 PM

mcreadyblue: Why?


You mean besides the fact that the two tablets are aimed at completely different market segments who are looking to accomplish completely different things and were built with completely different goals in mind?
 
2012-11-30 01:05:04 PM

mcreadyblue: IntertubeUser: As a student, I'm looking forward to taking notes in a classroom with this. OneNote recognizes the handwritten symbols and operators used in college-level math classes. I've been lusting after better ways of taking notes in class and recording lectures and it looks like the Surface Pro will work wonderfully.

My only gripe is that it won't have Office 2010 (or 2013) already installed; I'll have to buy that separately.

Comparing the Surface Pro to the iPad is stupid.

Why?


The Surface Pro uses the technologies in advanced laptops, but in a tablet form. You can run Windows in a full format, including full desktop applications. Something like the iPad is grown up from a Mobile format - lower power technologies that run simpler systems. You can do some amazing stuff on them now, admittedly, but they would make a piss poor job of running Windows as an OS.

They're simply meant for two markets. That explains the Winddows 8 RT Tablets - they're more the equivalent of an iPad, using lighter mobile technologies.

Help a little?
 
2012-11-30 01:06:49 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: mcreadyblue: Why?

You mean besides the fact that the two tablets are aimed at completely different market segments who are looking to accomplish completely different things and were built with completely different goals in mind?


Well yeah. The iPad can play movies from YouTube, take pictures and let me play the piano for 10 hours just fine. Why would I want something more expensive and powerful with less battery life just to post updates to Facebook?

/sarcasm
 
2012-11-30 01:08:21 PM

ForgotMyTowel: Why would I want something more expensive and powerful with less battery life just to post updates to Facebook?


So, basically, it's a bad tablet because you don't understand it.
 
2012-11-30 01:08:56 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: ForgotMyTowel: Why would I want something more expensive and powerful with less battery life just to post updates to Facebook?

So, basically, it's a bad tablet because you don't understand it.


Or was your sarcasm ending meant to imply that you were aping the other poster?
 
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