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(Huffington Post)   Charles Krauthammer: "We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 312
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2012-11-30 08:26:37 AM  
well at least he admits he's a racist douchenozzle that want to destroy this country
 
2012-11-30 08:30:21 AM  
Well, shoot, go ahead and roll the dice again, sir...And let's see what they say this time around, hmm?
 
2012-11-30 08:31:11 AM  
Man up jackass.
 
2012-11-30 08:32:15 AM  
Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.
 
2012-11-30 08:32:44 AM  
Guess we don't have a deal. Over the cliff we go, thanks to bloviating jackasses like this guy.
 
2012-11-30 08:33:28 AM  
Huh, so Krauthammer is basically admitting that much of the right wing punditries defense of tax cuts for the wealthy and lower capital gains taxes is as much about personal greed as sound fiscal policy.

Well, alrighty then. Good to know.
 
2012-11-30 08:33:47 AM  
Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.
 
2012-11-30 08:34:47 AM  
fta: " They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away."

Deal!
 
2012-11-30 08:35:08 AM  
DNRTFA, in case that wasn't obvious. Based my response on the headline.
 
2012-11-30 08:35:13 AM  
So where is the Republican purposal again?
 
2012-11-30 08:35:18 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Now, this is funny
 
2012-11-30 08:36:04 AM  
When you support malevolent goals, and lie about nearly everything at all times, why should anyone listen to you?
 
2012-11-30 08:36:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.


Sherman also erred, by leaving any traitors to send to the gallows in the first place.
 
2012-11-30 08:36:42 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Well, those slave owners would have needed someone to rape.
 
2012-11-30 08:37:00 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


It is interesting that he automatically equates the modern republican party with the losing side of the civil war....
 
2012-11-30 08:38:29 AM  
Was it over when the paraplegic syndicated columnists lost the Civil War?
 
2012-11-30 08:38:38 AM  
Krauthamer went on to note that despite numerous opportunities to change, President Obama remains unrepentantly black.

/History's. Greatest. Monster.
 
2012-11-30 08:39:17 AM  
Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!
 
2012-11-30 08:39:33 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


The South will rise again, ya douchebag!
Le Midi se lèvera à nouveau!
The South will rise again, are you retahded?
The South will rise again, but not via the stairs.
No, no, zayt nisht meshuge!
 
2012-11-30 08:40:24 AM  
They shat the bed, let em roll around in it...
 
2012-11-30 08:41:15 AM  
I'm sure he wishes had slavery back so those poor companies could have a chance to compete with the foriegn wokforce
 
2012-11-30 08:41:20 AM  
Still butthurt about that one, eh?
 
2012-11-30 08:41:24 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


I'm imagining Charles Krauthammer in a motorized wheelchair with a Confederate flag sticking out of it.
 
2012-11-30 08:41:29 AM  

somedude210: well at least he admits he's a racist douchenozzle that want to destroy this country


i121.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 08:41:36 AM  
Did Krauthamer just complain that Obama carpetbagged him?

/'Cause that's how I read it.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:26 AM  

incendi: yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

It is interesting that he automatically equates the modern republican party with the losing side of the civil war....


With the Southern Strategy, the attempts to degrade poor people and take away workers' rights, proposals to allow child labor and special "work zones" where minimum wage laws don't apply, warmongering, mistrust and/or hatred of anyone who is not a male WASP, and repeated calls for states' rights in situations where federal law already trumps state law, the only thing interesting about the equation is that Krauthammer is being truthful.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:46 AM  
This is what happens when you lose elections because you were too busy coddling rich people who were going to vote for you anyway, Chuck.

Also doesn't help when you can't get your folks from making really, really, really stupid comments about rape.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:51 AM  
What a carpetbagger might look like.
 
2012-11-30 08:43:20 AM  
Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.
 
2012-11-30 08:44:02 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: the only thing interesting about the equation is that Krauthammer is being truthful.


I always at least gave him credit for lying through his teeth to cover up his real views. It's disturbing to see him just come right out and admit them all in a single sentence.
 
2012-11-30 08:44:05 AM  
We noticed that Obama won't cave and give us everything we demand. This is unacceptable! This is worse than The Phantom Menace! This is worse than that time my cousin ate my potato chips! Just for that, we demand NO taxes on the rich and 100% taxation of the poor! And a shrubbery!
 
2012-11-30 08:44:47 AM  

Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.


They saw Lincoln and decided his voice wasn't manly enough, so they've switched sides.

/that really was the big complaint I know from my right-leaning friends who have seen it
 
2012-11-30 08:44:59 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


If he owned a plantation in Georgia he would have been. The Confederacy wasn't the Third Reich.
 
2012-11-30 08:45:02 AM  
These guys disagree.

www.martinfrost.ws
 
2012-11-30 08:45:35 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: that Krauthammer is being truthful.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant =)
 
2012-11-30 08:45:49 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.



To be fair, "we" isn't in tfa. Subby threw that in. The actual quote is "Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War."

It's a statement which sounds inaccurate and hyperbolic and really dumb for a whole bunch of reasons besides the obvious apples/oranges thing, but I'll leave this to the Fark Civil War historians to debunk.
 
2012-11-30 08:46:24 AM  
Yeah, I'm also going with "who the fark is 'we', jackass?"

Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete. The last person with any historical ties to it whatsoever (reconstruction) would have died before we dropped a particularly historical bomb on Japan.

Since WW2, there has been no meaningful cultural, economic, or transportation barrier between the northern and southern US. Or at least none based around the civil war, we did arbitrarily manufacture some new ones based on demography before economic intergrowth killed those too and made it so basically no one cares.

Basically, at this point the most dyed-in-the-wool southerner has no greater cultural claim to Lee than a seventh generation Pennsylvania Quaker.
 
2012-11-30 08:46:57 AM  
Nobody is serious about the deficit if they don't call for massive cuts to the Pentagon budget.

The Republicans are serious about wrecking the lives of the 98% in order to shovel money into bank accounts of the 2%.
 
2012-11-30 08:47:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I'm also going with "who the fark is 'we', jackass?"

Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete. The last person with any historical ties to it whatsoever (reconstruction) would have died before we dropped a particularly historical bomb on Japan.

Since WW2, there has been no meaningful cultural, economic, or transportation barrier between the northern and southern US. Or at least none based around the civil war, we did arbitrarily manufacture some new ones based on demography before economic intergrowth killed those too and made it so basically no one cares.

Basically, at this point the most dyed-in-the-wool southerner has no greater cultural claim to Lee than a seventh generation Pennsylvania Quaker.


So you don't believe in zombie politicians, then?
 
2012-11-30 08:47:21 AM  

dittybopper: What a carpetbagger might look like.


Ignore this. The picture of Hillary Clinton campaigning as a senator in New York State was too big, and I'm too lazy to go look for another.
 
2012-11-30 08:47:37 AM  
But, but, we won the House, so that means Americans back our policies...
 
2012-11-30 08:47:53 AM  
yeegrek:
Who's "we", homeboy?
Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


The man who quite nearly (one vote away) had the 1800's version of the EU vote for Southern independence was jewish.
 
2012-11-30 08:48:37 AM  
"Republicans won the House" I hate how they keep falling back on this. It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE that this is because they rigged it. The Dems won 50.2% of the vote for the house compared with 49.7% for the GOP. Now this is not a huge margin but considering the GOP ended up with 51.4% of the seats compared with 44.8% for the Dems, something is wrong.

But of course the media will never call the GOP out on this when they bring it up because they have to be "fair and balanced".

We are farked
 
2012-11-30 08:48:39 AM  

you have pee hands: If he owned a plantation in Georgia he would have been. The Confederacy wasn't the Third Reich.


Indeed, this guy held a couple of cabinet positions and was Jewish.
 
2012-11-30 08:49:29 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.


Huh? The Transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, almost exactly 4 years after the end of the Confederacy.
 
2012-11-30 08:50:27 AM  

kronicfeld: Was it over when the paraplegic syndicated columnists lost the Civil War?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2012-11-30 08:50:45 AM  
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2012-11-30 08:50:53 AM  
Ugh, I need to stop taking quotes in headlines at face value. Of course, what does it say about Krauthammer that I didn't think for a second that it was a false quote?
 
2012-11-30 08:50:58 AM  

incendi: yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

It is interesting that he automatically equates the modern republican party with the losing side of the civil war....


THEY HAVEN'T LOST!!!11111!!!! They're just.....marshaling their strength and biding their time. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-11-30 08:50:58 AM  
The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.

I love this "they barely won" narrative the right is pushing considering the results of 2000 and 2004.
 
2012-11-30 08:51:00 AM  
The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?
 
2012-11-30 08:51:09 AM  
Republicans either have no farking idea how negotiations work, they are the most disingenuous douchebags ever, or both. When you constantly ask another side for their terms and they do, you don't respond with name calling. You put your terms on the table and then work towards common ground through compromise. From the Republican's response, either they have no idea how to negotiate or they are trying to rig it to where they can blame every unpopular decision made on the President

What Krauthamer needs to realize that as with the last election, like with the Civil War,his side lost. Man up and deal with it.

The scary part is it seems like they are so pissed about losing they want to take the whole country down with them. A certain WWII leader felt the same way. (Yes I went there.)
 
2012-11-30 08:52:11 AM  
Where is the GOP plan?
 
2012-11-30 08:52:31 AM  
Some guy who isn't smart enough to check if there's water in the pool before he dives in has an opinion on something. Now, ask me if I care.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:06 AM  

Corvus: Where is the GOP plan?


Surely Paul Ryan has time to explain the math now, right?
 
2012-11-30 08:53:07 AM  
A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:46 AM  
You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:47 AM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: What a carpetbagger might look like.

Ignore this. The picture of Hillary Clinton campaigning as a senator in New York State was too big, and I'm too lazy to go look for another.


Maybe you should try to find a smaller one of Michele Bachmann.
 
2012-11-30 08:54:11 AM  
The Derp will rise again.
 
2012-11-30 08:54:29 AM  

heavymetal: Republicans either have no farking idea how negotiations work, they are the most disingenuous douchebags ever, or both.


I'm going with "both" on this one.
 
2012-11-30 08:55:47 AM  

theknuckler_33: I love this "they barely won" narrative the right is pushing considering the results of 2000 and 2004.


Fortunately, the president recognizes this line is bullshiat and is finally acting like it.

However, the dems need to not lose focus and let the republicans reenact 2010 in 2014. If that happens, they're gonna tear down everything that's been accomplished since H.W. Bush, just out of spite.
 
2012-11-30 08:56:26 AM  

badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?


Your claim is interesting, but it might be more credible were it not issued by an unrepentant liar.
 
2012-11-30 08:56:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.

Huh? The Transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, almost exactly 4 years after the end of the Confederacy.


Right, my bad. Before US Steel, then.
 
2012-11-30 08:56:39 AM  

brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.


As I picture your mom.

ct.fra.bz

/no offense
 
2012-11-30 08:56:43 AM  
"We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

"We"? Speak for yourself, Charlie. My side won that war. And we were obviously too easy on the losers.
 
2012-11-30 08:57:08 AM  

Buffalo77: You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.


Not a misquote in a FARK headline! Oh noes! The end is nigh! Where's my fainting couch?
 
2012-11-30 08:57:36 AM  
Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.
 
2012-11-30 08:57:42 AM  

Buffalo77: Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.


Wheelie CK?
 
2012-11-30 08:57:45 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Anyone named Judah P. Benjamin isn't going to be anything but Jewish.

/Krauthammer is an ass
 
2012-11-30 08:58:09 AM  
So what is the republican purposal?
 
2012-11-30 08:58:33 AM  

Dimensio: badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?

Your claim is interesting, but it might be more credible were it not issued by an unrepentant liar.


Give it a rest, Alinsky.
 
2012-11-30 08:59:14 AM  
Well, that's the thing now, isn't it?

We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

That's our cross to bear.

However the military is unlikely to put together a bake sale to try and make up the difference in the spending cuts.

And in the end if it happens who is going to get blamed? Obama? The guy who conceded and compromised or the groups that consistently stood for the wealthiest?

Honestly, 2012 was an election. You do this and 2014 and 2016 are going to shape up to be a shiat-beating that will make Dukakis look like he was a contender.
 
2012-11-30 08:59:26 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


I think all conservatives pine for the confederacy now,which shows how far to the right they've marched.
 
2012-11-30 08:59:57 AM  
They didn't win the House. They gerrymandered the fark out of their districts to retain it.
 
2012-11-30 09:00:50 AM  

badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want.


Kinda like demanding zero new revenues? Sine the Democrats know that the Republicans are going to start from a position of zero compromise, they are starting from a similar position...'give us everything we want' and see how that 'no compromise' thing works out.

Because the Democrats tried the compromise thing earlier last year when we get Boehner 98% of what he wanted and the GOP STILL would not compromise a lousy 2%. Everybody remembers that and THAT is why the GOP will be blamed if there is no compromise this time around.
 
2012-11-30 09:01:44 AM  
Fiscal Cliff: Obama's Revenge
 
2012-11-30 09:01:48 AM  

Buffalo77: Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.


t3.gstatic.com

I'd accept an admission that Ryan didn't have a plan. He just thought voters were dumb enough to believe he did.
 
2012-11-30 09:01:50 AM  

ghall3: "Republicans won the House" I hate how they keep falling back on this. It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE that this is because they rigged it. The Dems won 50.2% of the vote for the house compared with 49.7% for the GOP. Now this is not a huge margin but considering the GOP ended up with 51.4% of the seats compared with 44.8% for the Dems, something is wrong.

But of course the media will never call the GOP out on this when they bring it up because they have to be "fair and balanced".

We are farked


It's not exactly rigged. Everyone keeps calling this gerrymandering without looking at how exactly it happened. PA is a great example. The democrats took a majority of the votes but only 6/18 house seats - because they won by giant majorities in Philadelphia and lost by slimmer margins across most of the rest of the state. Should every district have a long tendril into Philly to split up heavy Democratic majority from the metro area across the rest of the state's districts? That would end up with a ridiculous looking map of districts. The same pattern - Democratic supermajority in urban areas and smaller republican majorities in rural areas - played out in many places across the country. There are very few districts Republicans win with the 80%+ majorities Democrats take in the cities. It's not exactly a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of a system where winning by 1% is worth the same as winning by 40%. The only way around it would to switch to a nationwide vote and a system or proportional representation.
 
2012-11-30 09:02:17 AM  

Buffalo77: You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.


Welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-11-30 09:02:29 AM  

Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another


Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.
 
2012-11-30 09:02:32 AM  
Previously, Obama's pattern had been to offer plans that roughly tracked where he thought the compromise should end up. The White House's belief was that by being solicitous in their policy proposals, they would win goodwill on the other side, and even if they didn't, the media would side with them, realizing they'd sought compromise and been rebuffed. They don't believe that anymore. Link
 
2012-11-30 09:02:56 AM  
Woe be to the vanquished.
 
2012-11-30 09:02:57 AM  
We = racists?
Conservative = Confederate?

Where's he going with this?
 
2012-11-30 09:03:15 AM  
He gave you 98% of what you wanted last time and you reneged on your end of the deal (cutting DoD funding) so fark off GOP.
 
2012-11-30 09:03:41 AM  
FTA: "They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away."

Walking away means Republicans will take all the heat for the tax increases and military cuts, while Obama will get what he wants passed later. Which is why Republicans will cave on everything and pretend they got what they wanted.
 
2012-11-30 09:05:14 AM  

mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense


There's this look of smugness that stupid people can achieve that no thinking person can ever come close to...it fills me with much rage, because you know there's no way you can use knowledge, facts, or wisdom to get rid of it. It is the impenetrable shield of stupidity.

badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?

 
2012-11-30 09:05:38 AM  
Awesome, so hopefully the death toll will be just as large. Personally, I believe the best thing for this country would be to take 750,000 wingnut conservatives out behind the barn with a shotgun. The executions start tonight.
 
2012-11-30 09:05:40 AM  

Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.


1. Don't pass any Democrat ideas in the house
2. Filibuster all Democrat bills in the Senate
3. Blame Dems for 'not leading'
4. Profit?
 
2012-11-30 09:06:41 AM  
He didn't say that. Charles Krauthammer is one of the biggest assholes in America, but he didn't say that.
 
2012-11-30 09:07:06 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Guess we don't have a deal. Over the cliff we go, thanks to bloviating jackasses like this guy.


We can only hope it happens. Going over the "fiscal cliff" would be the best for our long term economic health, sure it is going to suck in the short run, and be hard for 10-15 years, but it would greatly help put the US governments fiscal house in order.
 
2012-11-30 09:07:39 AM  
The unnamed Farklish Gambit corollary to Godwin's Law finds the use of We in an argument telegraphs that the proponent is in fact alone in his belief and has lost the argument.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:36 AM  
They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:45 AM  
So reject the deal and see where that gets you, asshole.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:58 AM  

kronicfeld: Ugh, I need to stop taking quotes in headlines at face value. Of course, what does it say about Krauthammer that I didn't think for a second that it was a false quote?


Indeed. I retract everything I've said except that about Zombies and thinking Krauthammer is a liar.
 
2012-11-30 09:09:08 AM  
"We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

inigomontoya.jpg

IIRC, the Republicans won that war. Is the time machine in action again? We're gonna wear that poor thing out.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:29 AM  
I just wish these media outlets would send him and other mouthpieces from both sides a message. Krauthammer proclaims that there are no cuts in the Dem proposal when there clearly are substantial cuts. He ought to be told by all the TV panels he'll undoubtedly be on that someone who is so careless with the facts (because of either partisanship or stupidity) is no longer welcome to express his views on air. Of course, it'll never happen, but it's nice to think about.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:50 AM  
Guess what, GOP?

Rates are going up on the upper income brackets of the wealthiest Americans one way or the other...

You lost. The Administration's ideas "won the day". You're the ones who need to come closer to his position. Or, you can continue to act like petulant children and accept most of the blame when middle class tax rates also go up.

Krauthammer's right in one way. The GOP is like the Confederacy... Beaten, on the wrong side of history, and in no position to make demands.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:57 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.


The last citizen tied to the Confederacy died in 1869? That's quite a shock.
 
2012-11-30 09:11:20 AM  

Corvus: So what is the republican purposal?


Tax cuts for the wealthy, increased military spending, and cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Same as it always is.
 
2012-11-30 09:12:09 AM  

Buffalo77: Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.


CK: "It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War."

SUBBY: "We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

There are the two quotes. Now, while I have often posted my frustration with headlines using incorrect quotes (really, people, stop it), and I understand subby used the word "we" here, what about it isn't at least in the ball park? Krauthammer is suggesting the Republicans are being treated like they lost a war and owe all sorts of concessions. In reality, Obama offered a combination of cuts and the revocation of TEMPORARY tax cuts that he already extended once.

If you want a good analogy, it's like arguing with a kid about his bedtime. He usually goes down at 7pm, but you let him stay up until 8. Now you're telling him it's time for bed and he's screaming that it is completely unfair, and he'll only go along with it if you give him candy. For the record, the republicans are the child having the tantrum in this analogy. They will stay awake screaming and making life miserable for themselves and everyone else just because they didn't get their way 100% of the time.
 
2012-11-30 09:12:16 AM  

Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.


I agree. I also think that would be a reprehensible dereliction of their duties as the controlling party in the House of Representatives, which is charged with originating spending bills. I suppose that hasn't stopped them any time in recent history, though.
 
2012-11-30 09:12:16 AM  
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1865RELee-surrender.asp

Introductory Note

The following letters exchanged by Generals Grant and Lee give the terms under which the latter surrendered his army and practically brought to a close the War of Secession.

From U.S. Grant To R.E. Lee

Appomattox Court-House, Virginia April 9, 1865.

General: In accordance with the substance of my letter to you of the 8th instant, I propose to receive the surrender of the army of Northern Virginia on the following terms, to wit: Rolls of all the officers and men to be made in duplicate, one copy to be given to an officer to be designated by me, the other to be retained by such officer or officers as you may designate. The officers to give their individual paroles not to take up arms against the government of the United States until properly exchanged; and each company or regimental commander to sign a like parole for the men of their commands. The arms, artillery, and public property to be parked and stacked, and turned over to the officers appointed by me to receive them. This will not embrace the side-arms of the officers nor their private horses or baggage. This done, each officer and man will be allowed to return to his home, not to be disturbed by United States authority so long as they observe their paroles and the laws in force where they may reside.

U.S. Grant, Lieutenant-General. General R. E. Lee.

From R.E. Lee To U.S. Grant

Head-Quarters, Army of Northern Virginia April 9, 1865.

General: I received your letter of this date containing the terms of the surrender of the army of Northern Virginia, as proposed by you. As they are substantially the same as those expressed in your letter of the 8th instant, they are accepted. I will proceed to designate the proper officers to carry the stipulations into effect.

R. E. Lee, General. Lieutenant-General U.S. Grant.
 
2012-11-30 09:12:32 AM  
At least he didn't mention the Nazis, so he gets points for that.
 
2012-11-30 09:12:34 AM  

you have pee hands: ghall3: "Republicans won the House" I hate how they keep falling back on this. It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE that this is because they rigged it. The Dems won 50.2% of the vote for the house compared with 49.7% for the GOP. Now this is not a huge margin but considering the GOP ended up with 51.4% of the seats compared with 44.8% for the Dems, something is wrong.

But of course the media will never call the GOP out on this when they bring it up because they have to be "fair and balanced".

We are farked

It's not exactly rigged. Everyone keeps calling this gerrymandering without looking at how exactly it happened. PA is a great example. The democrats took a majority of the votes but only 6/18 house seats - because they won by giant majorities in Philadelphia and lost by slimmer margins across most of the rest of the state. Should every district have a long tendril into Philly to split up heavy Democratic majority from the metro area across the rest of the state's districts? That would end up with a ridiculous looking map of districts. The same pattern - Democratic supermajority in urban areas and smaller republican majorities in rural areas - played out in many places across the country. There are very few districts Republicans win with the 80%+ majorities Democrats take in the cities. It's not exactly a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of a system where winning by 1% is worth the same as winning by 40%. The only way around it would to switch to a nationwide vote and a system or proportional representation.


There is supposed to be roughly similar constituent-to-representative ratios. The solution is not to draw more nutty looking districts, but to make more districts in highly populated areas and larger (ie. fewer) districts in the rural areas. This is actually how it is, but suburban districts are the ones that are drawn funny to extend out to more rural areas to tip the scales towards the GOP.

Take a look at my district in Pa (6th congressional district). Notice how it outlines, but excludes all of Norristown and has an arm that extends up towards the Lehigh valley. Holy farking Christ!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-30 09:12:57 AM  

incendi: yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

It is interesting that he automatically equates the modern republican party with the losing side of the civil war....


he knows who the base of the GOP are.
 
2012-11-30 09:14:46 AM  

keylock71:

Krauthammer's right in one way. The GOP is like the Confederacy... Beaten, on the wrong side of history, and in no position to make demands.


I find it offensive that modern day Republicans would dare to favorably compare the party of Lincoln to the Confederacy. that aside, you are correct - the GOP is in no position to make demands of any sort. the Democrats have been rather gracious to the Republican party. they could do far more damage to the GOP agenda if they pushed harder....but all things considered the Dems have been pretty good about the whole thing. The GOP have taken the term 'sore loser' to new, never before seen depths of rage and despair.
 
2012-11-30 09:14:52 AM  

born_yesterday: mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense

There's this look of smugness that stupid people can achieve that no thinking person can ever come close to...it fills me with much rage, because you know there's no way you can use knowledge, facts, or wisdom to get rid of it. It is the impenetrable shield of stupidity.


What's the saying that ignorant people are supremely confident in their 'knowledge' while smart people are filled with doubt about theirs?
 
2012-11-30 09:15:53 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.


Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.
 
2012-11-30 09:16:16 AM  
Didn't read the whole thread so I'mnot sure if its been said, but technically, he didn't say, "we". Now, he did equate the Republican party to the Confederacy, but he didn't claim to be a part of the team. Now, the question is, did he think that ending slavery was a "bad deal" for the South to accept?
 
2012-11-30 09:16:30 AM  
Stop crying Chuck. The president is using the tactic of asking for everything he wants to set the starting point for negotiations. It's a favorite tactic of lawyers and politicians. He just did it before the house republicans had a chance to do it.
 
2012-11-30 09:17:31 AM  

Macular Degenerate: Awesome, so hopefully the death toll will be just as large. Personally, I believe the best thing for this country would be to take 750,000 wingnut conservatives out behind the barn with a shotgun. The executions start tonight.


You should really dial that shiat back.
 
2012-11-30 09:18:17 AM  
I don't have much genuine contempt for a whole lot of people on the right. I disagree with the lot of them, dislike most of them, but genuine contempt? Very few, Krauthammer being one of them.

He is the succinct embodiment of everything that is wrong with Conservative media today. Krauthammer is, by every measure, a highly intelligent, exceedingly well educated man who has broken rank with his party, particularly the religious right, on many issues. He could at least attempt to steer his party back into the real conservatism he's championed for most of his career but as a commentator for FOX News he seems much more intent on sticking his flaccid, non-functioning dick in that poor, poor chicken.

The problem with people like Krauthammer, and Jennifer Rubin is that they have absolutely no interest in having an honest discourse with their audience. Absolutely none. They're just parroting talking points, feeding a narrative that has absolutely no grounding in reality. It's particularly bad in Krauthammer's instance, because he is highly regarded as an intellectual heavyweight, and he uses this standing to validate the most moronic talking points for the FOX News audience instead of actually having an honest discussion. It's selling out, in a way.

And this whopper just sort of confirms it. Krauthammer is Jewish, born in New York and raised in Canada; he feels no kinship to the Civil War. He just said that shiat because he knows the average FOX News viewer is pretty pink around the collar and would react to it.
 
2012-11-30 09:19:00 AM  

incendi: It is interesting that he automatically equates the modern republican party with the losing side of the civil war....


If the shoe fits . . .
 
2012-11-30 09:19:02 AM  
Get it through your thick farking skull, you smug dumbass: You got everything you wanted the last time you held us hostage. If you do so again, and there aren't riots, you better be smiling, because you now have carte blanche to do absolutely anything you want, and the Democrats could sweep into power and not do a thing to stop you. So stop your farking whining.
 
2012-11-30 09:19:08 AM  

badhatharry: You should really dial that shiat back.


For once, BHH is right about something.
 
2012-11-30 09:19:20 AM  

incendi: Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.

I agree. I also think that would be a reprehensible dereliction of their duties as the controlling party in the House of Representatives, which is charged with originating spending bills. I suppose that hasn't stopped them any time in recent history, though.


well, walking out of the legislature would be an interesting response. the GOP pundits could try to say that they're merely following the example of the Wisconsin democrats and that they're just 'protesting' non-violently. i'm not sure anything like that has been done at the federal level before. that said, the tactic would be something new from the Republicans.
 
2012-11-30 09:19:50 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.


Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.
 
2012-11-30 09:20:39 AM  

Weaver95: ...but all things considered the Dems have been pretty good about the whole thing. The GOP have taken the term 'sore loser' to new, never before seen depths of rage and despair.


Agreed. I'm still not a huge fan of democrats in general, but they understand how this process works and why it's important to find common ground with political rivals while still putting forward their agenda. They've taken over the sane, center right, while the GOP has become nothing more than a far right insurgent outlier.
 
2012-11-30 09:20:46 AM  

Zerochance: I don't have much genuine contempt for a whole lot of people on the right. I disagree with the lot of them, dislike most of them, but genuine contempt? Very few, Krauthammer being one of them.

He is the succinct embodiment of everything that is wrong with Conservative media today. Krauthammer is, by every measure, a highly intelligent, exceedingly well educated man who has broken rank with his party, particularly the religious right, on many issues. He could at least attempt to steer his party back into the real conservatism he's championed for most of his career but as a commentator for FOX News he seems much more intent on sticking his flaccid, non-functioning dick in that poor, poor chicken.

The problem with people like Krauthammer, and Jennifer Rubin is that they have absolutely no interest in having an honest discourse with their audience. Absolutely none. They're just parroting talking points, feeding a narrative that has absolutely no grounding in reality. It's particularly bad in Krauthammer's instance, because he is highly regarded as an intellectual heavyweight, and he uses this standing to validate the most moronic talking points for the FOX News audience instead of actually having an honest discussion. It's selling out, in a way.

And this whopper just sort of confirms it. Krauthammer is Jewish, born in New York and raised in Canada; he feels no kinship to the Civil War. He just said that shiat because he knows the average FOX News viewer is pretty pink around the collar and would react to it.


He's a neocon who wants America to do whatever Bibi tells them to do. Including toppling Iran for them.
 
2012-11-30 09:20:46 AM  

Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.


Sure, once you get out of the backseat.
 
2012-11-30 09:21:08 AM  
Actually Obama is above Romney now by 4.5 million votes with votes still to be counted. He will end up with a 5 million vote lead in all likelihood.

His percentage lead is currently 50.90 to 47.36.

4% point lead with an almost 5 million vote advantage.

The last Republican to win by over 5 million votes in the popular vote was in 1988 over 24 years ago.

Since then Democrats have either lost by winning the popular vote or losing by about 3 million. Democrats meanwhile have won by totals of 8 million votes, 5 million votes, 10 million votes and this term almost 5 million votes (with a slow economy, high unemployment and a black man named barack hussein obama....)

Wow the GOP sucks.
 
2012-11-30 09:21:13 AM  

Weaver95: well, walking out of the legislature would be an interesting response. the GOP pundits could try to say that they're merely following the example of the Wisconsin democrats and that they're just 'protesting' non-violently. i'm not sure anything like that has been done at the federal level before. that said, the tactic would be something new from the Republicans.


Throwing a tantrum and being obstructionist would be a new tactic?
 
2012-11-30 09:21:20 AM  
Reconstruction: government spending.

Glad to see the republicans agree in this.
 
2012-11-30 09:22:44 AM  

Weaver95: well, walking out of the legislature would be an interesting response.


Walking out as the majority party, claiming you're being oppressed... that would be ballsy as hell.

/apparently, ballsy has been elevated to real word status by the spellchecker.
 
2012-11-30 09:24:39 AM  

Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.


I don't think he was referring to the GOP specifically, I think he meant traitors in general.
 
2012-11-30 09:25:07 AM  
The GOP are holding tax cuts on the first 250k of income hostage and are willing to crash the economy and hurt everyone to keep their tax cuts for the wealthy intact.
 
2012-11-30 09:26:44 AM  

Hobodeluxe: The GOP are holding tax cuts on the first 250k of income hostage and are willing to crash the economy and hurt everyone to keep their tax cuts for the wealthy intact.


they will fight to the very last second. they already know they are going to cave. this is all damage control for their base.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:14 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Weaver95: well, walking out of the legislature would be an interesting response. the GOP pundits could try to say that they're merely following the example of the Wisconsin democrats and that they're just 'protesting' non-violently. i'm not sure anything like that has been done at the federal level before. that said, the tactic would be something new from the Republicans.

Throwing a tantrum and being obstructionist would be a new tactic?


given that they're the majority party in the house..yes, it WOULD be new. And I don't think it'd work out as well as they think it would.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:30 AM  

Hobodeluxe: The GOP are holding tax cuts on the first 250k of income hostage and are willing to crash the economy and hurt everyone to keep their tax cuts for the wealthy intact.


This is, essentially, what it comes down to...

Plutocratic scum, the lot of them.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:38 AM  
Charles Krauthammer shall rise again!!

Well maybe not.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:44 AM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Judah P. Benjamin

If "foreign" is a good substitute for "New York," and Yale for "Boston educated," you might be eligible for a cabinet position.

Judah Philip Benjamin, QC (August 6, 1811 - May 6, 1884) was an American politician and lawyer who served in cabinet level positions in the Confederate States of America, including Secretary of War and Secretary of State.

...

Judah Philip Benjamin was born a British subject in 1811 in Saint Croix, to Phillip Benjamin, an English Sephardi Jew, and his wife, Rebecca de Mendes, a Sephardi Jew from Spain.

He emigrated with his parents to the U.S. in 1813, where the family first lived in Wilmington, North Carolina.

...

As a youth, Benjamin attended Fayetteville Academy in North Carolina. At the age of fourteen, he entered Yale College.
 
2012-11-30 09:28:04 AM  
So, Krauthammer is now admitting that the Republicans are no longer the "Party of Lincoln"? Well, I have to praise him for his honesty.
 
2012-11-30 09:29:10 AM  

Weaver95: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Weaver95: well, walking out of the legislature would be an interesting response. the GOP pundits could try to say that they're merely following the example of the Wisconsin democrats and that they're just 'protesting' non-violently. i'm not sure anything like that has been done at the federal level before. that said, the tactic would be something new from the Republicans.

Throwing a tantrum and being obstructionist would be a new tactic?

given that they're the majority party in the house..yes, it WOULD be new. And I don't think it'd work out as well as they think it would.


they'd basically be crying about painting themselves into a corner with this deal is all. they passed it knowing they would have to deal sooner or later.
 
2012-11-30 09:29:47 AM  

graggor: Actually Obama is above Romney now by 4.5 million votes with votes still to be counted. He will end up with a 5 million vote lead in all likelihood.

His percentage lead is currently 50.90 to 47.36.

4% point lead with an almost 5 million vote advantage.

The last Republican to win by over 5 million votes in the popular vote was in 1988 over 24 years ago.

Since then Democrats have either lost by winning the popular vote or losing by about 3 million. Democrats meanwhile have won by totals of 8 million votes, 5 million votes, 10 million votes and this term almost 5 million votes (with a slow economy, high unemployment and a black man named barack hussein obama....)

Wow the GOP sucks.


Oh, yeah, well, we didn't want those votes anyways! All from a bunch of non-whites wanting handouts, or women thinking with their privates!

Next time, we'll just milk a few more million votes out of the social radicals conservatives and the pro-paternity rapist vote.
 
2012-11-30 09:30:48 AM  
America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.
 
2012-11-30 09:31:32 AM  

theknuckler_33: There is supposed to be roughly similar constituent-to-representative ratios. The solution is not to draw more nutty looking districts, but to make more districts in highly populated areas and larger (ie. fewer) districts in the rural areas. This is actually how it is, but suburban districts are the ones that are drawn funny to extend out to more rural areas to tip the scales towards the GOP.

Take a look at my district in Pa (6th congressional district). Notice how it outlines, but excludes all of Norristown and has an arm that extends up towards the Lehigh valley. Holy farking Christ!


There already are more districts in higher populated areas balanced by population. Wikipedia has the populations of each district as of the 2000 census, and they're all quite similar (excepting small states on one side or the other of the line between 1 & 2 representatives). PA District 5 is geographically probably 20% of the state, but still has the same ~650,000 people as districts 1 & 2, which are both almost entirely in Philadelphia. If the democratic candidates win districts 1&2 by votes of 80-20 or 85-15, that's a margin of several hundred thousand votes but it's still only two districts, while central PA leans republican but not as heavily.

The 6th probably should trade some land with the 7th & 15th, though. It's ugly.
 
2012-11-30 09:32:04 AM  
i48.photobucket.com

To Chuck,

Would you like me to come visit again?

Yours,

Bill Sherman
 
2012-11-30 09:32:31 AM  
Just how pathetic has it gotten that people are clinging to Republicans NOT losing the House as a sign of their negotiating advantage? They lost seats in both chambers AND the Presidency.

Just how stupid do these shiatheels think people really are?

/Looks like December is gonna be even more fun this year than usual.
 
2012-11-30 09:32:57 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


What are you even talking about?

You are trying to disprove two things (one being a negative which is impossible) and the other something that hasnt even happened...
 
2012-11-30 09:33:01 AM  
i1151.photobucket.com
Yay verily! Whilst thine buttocks stop suffering the slings & arrows of defeat?
Destined to an existence of permanent agony is my lot!
YE GODS! THE PAIN! THE DISGRACE!!
 
2012-11-30 09:34:11 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.


So we should go with the president's proposals, then. The people have spoken, after all.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing.

Were these liberals made of straw?
 
2012-11-30 09:34:14 AM  

incendi: yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

It is interesting that he automatically equates the modern republican party with the losing side of the civil war....


Both of these

It's such botched thinking. And who is this "we"? Republicans? So the Real Americans they talk about are actually the Confederates who haven't existed since they got their asses kicked 150 years ago? Such delusional people.
 
2012-11-30 09:34:57 AM  
So the democrats shrunk the gap in the house by 8 seats and this is a massive victory for the GOP?
 
2012-11-30 09:35:00 AM  

HeartBurnKid: So, Krauthammer is now admitting that the Republicans are no longer the "Party of Lincoln"? Well, I have to praise him for his honesty.


I actually watched the video, and he doesn't say "We". Thanks, trollmitter.

As for what he actually did say, there's not a single grain of truth in it. I do really love the "The Democrats[...]did not hold the House. Republicans won the House" bit. You know, because the Democrats held the House majority going into the election, and the Republicans gained a bunch of seats through hard work and a message that resonated with the American people. The Republicans most certainly did not have the majority, and actually lose seats in the election, but manage to hold on to a razor thin majority.
 
2012-11-30 09:35:01 AM  

Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.


They don't want to make a counter-offer because that would require negotiating, which is something they aren't really in to. So the only alternative is to make Obama bid against himself.

Economic consequences aside, going over the fiscal cliff would at least reveal how non-functional our government is.
 
2012-11-30 09:35:23 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


You're surprised the fantasy world you've created in your head isn't real?

You must vote Republican...
 
2012-11-30 09:35:47 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.
 
2012-11-30 09:36:24 AM  
Republicans, lose the election in every possible way, think they won, make demands.
 
2012-11-30 09:36:26 AM  
Do you think they realize how bad off they are at this point? The GOP, I mean.

Consider that their greatest achievement in 2014 was 'holding' the House and that was strictly by means of Gerrymandering their districts to hell and back.

Don't they realize that such a thing is a purely defensive maneuver? That it's equivalent to a 'Fortress Republica' approach to political efforts?

In politics, if you fall back onto such defensive thinking and efforts, you're ceding the momentum and allowing your opponents to stay on the offensive...Now, combine 'that' defensive mentality with the inescapable reality of changing demographics...

In short, GOP, if you don't change, if you don't take on a new immediate approach and divest yourself of your corrupt xenophobes, and religious zealots, you're going to find yourself with a crumbling fortress and an increasingly smaller and smaller domain.

One day, you're going to wake up and you'll be the Roman Empire, ruler of a few square miles in the middle of Italy, surrounded by the modern world.
 
2012-11-30 09:36:34 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Were these liberals made of straw?


There's a few out there that have been fairly vocal about letting it happen. It's usually followed up by something along the lines of "and then fix it to the democrats' liking".
 
2012-11-30 09:37:13 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


Account created: 2012-08-07 11:56:45

Which Fark Liberals?
 
2012-11-30 09:37:27 AM  

theknuckler_33: Take a look at my district in Pa (6th congressional district)


Hell, some of the State Senate and Assembly districts they drew up here in Wisconsin look like fractals. Some of the borders were apparently drawn a block or two away from where sitting Democratic legislators lived, just to fark them over
 
2012-11-30 09:37:44 AM  

keylock71: Weaver95: ...but all things considered the Dems have been pretty good about the whole thing. The GOP have taken the term 'sore loser' to new, never before seen depths of rage and despair.

Agreed. I'm still not a huge fan of democrats in general, but they understand how this process works and why it's important to find common ground with political rivals while still putting forward their agenda. They've taken over the sane, center right, while the GOP has become nothing more than a far right insurgent outlier.


the Republican pundits are screaming (again, in a weirdly coordinated manner) not to compromise with the Democrats. compromise is for the weak, the Democrats will screw you on the deal, the Democrats idea of compromise is to do everything they say..blah blah blah. the GOP pundits are literally reading off the same talking points sheet. like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right? but when all the big name GOP pundits repeat the same phrases for a week well...I start to wonder if they're getting their orders from somewhere. it wouldn't be a big deal if they were, I just like to see who's got their hand up Limbaugh's ass and is playing him like Kermit the frog.
 
2012-11-30 09:37:56 AM  
"They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away."

Please, proceed.
 
2012-11-30 09:39:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts.


There were plenty of people saying they wouldn't be touched because politicians would piss their pants and rewrite the rules before they let that happen. Not really the same thing, but there ya go.
 
2012-11-30 09:40:45 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.


Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link
 
2012-11-30 09:40:47 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary



That right there is demonstrably false.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:06 AM  

Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.


I recall stories we've discussed on fark where republican leaders had a meeting within 24 hours of Obama being elected in 2008. They hatched a plan to obstruct everything the president proposed. The result of that has been total obstruction including republican ideas. I know the original intent was to have the talking point that Obama can't run on his record in 2012, and we know that plan failed. I think they probably had a similar meeting after the election this year and came up with the same plan. I'm not sure what the goal is this time since Obama will not be running for re-election, and the risk is the voters get sick of it, and they lose badly in 2012. It could be they just don't have a plan or new ideas. They could also be so invested in that plan they simply cannot change course.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:27 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


I've seen less whining than this at an emo show.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:52 AM  

phaseolus: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary


That right there is demonstrably false.


Well, duh. Outright lying is part of their game plan. It has been for years.

Why people continually show surprise or even note that GOP partisans are liars, is beyond me.
 
2012-11-30 09:42:00 AM  

El_Dan: Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.

They don't want to make a counter-offer because that would require negotiating, which is something they aren't really in to. So the only alternative is to make Obama bid against himself.

Economic consequences aside, going over the fiscal cliff would at least reveal how non-functional our government is.


of course they want to go over the edge. they think they can steer most of the blame to the Dems. these people are rich and don't need medicare or social security. and if they have to pay higher taxes so should everyone. but when their constituents lose their tax cuts, their govt supported jobs at the defense contractor and their social security/medicare get slashed they're going to blame the GOP for not passing this thing and giving up their tax cuts for the rich.
 
2012-11-30 09:43:07 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.


I guess lying on the internet is not quite as bad as child molestation or jaywalking.
 
2012-11-30 09:43:48 AM  

sammyk:
I recall stories we've discussed on fark where republican leaders had a meeting within 24 hours of Obama being elected in 2008. They hatched a plan to obstruct everything the president proposed. The result of that has been total obstruction including republican ideas. I know the original intent was to have the talking point that Obama can't run on his record in 2012, and we know that plan failed. I think they probably had a similar meeting after the election this year and came up with the same plan. I'm not sure what the goal is this time since Obama will not be running for re-election, and the risk is the voters get sick of it, and they lose badly in 2012. It could be they just don't have a plan or new ideas. They could also be so invested in that plan they simply cannot change course.


well...Limbaugh did take an unscheduled two day break last week. I wonder if they're was some sort of high level meeting?
 
2012-11-30 09:45:19 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.

Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link


Medicaid you mean. Know the difference? (the idiots linked article shows medicare as one of the cuts....wow)
 
2012-11-30 09:45:43 AM  
Quote in headline: We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War

Actual quote in article: Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War

Farktards who did not read the article: ZOMG, treason and racism!

Well played, Trollmitter, well played.
 
2012-11-30 09:46:22 AM  

Buffalo77: You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.


CK? OMG, sounds like he's your BFF.

xspblog.com
 
2012-11-30 09:46:29 AM  

Weaver95: sammyk:
I recall stories we've discussed on fark where republican leaders had a meeting within 24 hours of Obama being elected in 2008. They hatched a plan to obstruct everything the president proposed. The result of that has been total obstruction including republican ideas. I know the original intent was to have the talking point that Obama can't run on his record in 2012, and we know that plan failed. I think they probably had a similar meeting after the election this year and came up with the same plan. I'm not sure what the goal is this time since Obama will not be running for re-election, and the risk is the voters get sick of it, and they lose badly in 2012. It could be they just don't have a plan or new ideas. They could also be so invested in that plan they simply cannot change course.

well...Limbaugh did take an unscheduled two day break last week. I wonder if they're was some sort of high level meeting?


Well, if blackouts count as meetings now...
 
2012-11-30 09:46:41 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.


You sound like you haven't met many Americans.
 
2012-11-30 09:47:50 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.


You're both right.
 
2012-11-30 09:49:29 AM  
Charles Krauthammer?

i78.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 09:49:30 AM  
If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?
 
2012-11-30 09:49:52 AM  
The South: always with its hand out
 
2012-11-30 09:49:54 AM  
The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.
 
2012-11-30 09:50:15 AM  

badhatharry: Macular Degenerate: Awesome, so hopefully the death toll will be just as large. Personally, I believe the best thing for this country would be to take 750,000 wingnut conservatives out behind the barn with a shotgun. The executions start tonight.

You should really dial that shiat back.


I think this is where he wants to begin negotiations.
 
2012-11-30 09:50:59 AM  
 
2012-11-30 09:51:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.

Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.


What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion? Executing Davis and the other leaders may have 'taught them a lesson', but it is just as likely to have incited further violence.

The North's humiliation of the rebels with 12 years of Reconstruction was vengeance enough for all but the most barbaric.
 
2012-11-30 09:51:55 AM  
So self righteous in the video. The grand irony is they consistently play this victimized sanguine hero role in the face of evil liberals when what they're arguing for is supporting the current state of plutocracy. However Fox News viewers eat it up, as if he is on their side.
 
2012-11-30 09:52:31 AM  

graggor: Zeb Hesselgresser: Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.

Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link

Medicaid you mean. Know the difference? (the idiots linked article shows medicare as one of the cuts....wow)


You can't trust The Washington Post? Who knew.
 
2012-11-30 09:52:46 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: These guys disagree.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 344x448]


What is that shiat, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?
 
2012-11-30 09:54:12 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.

Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.

What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion? Executing Davis and the other leaders may have 'taught them a lesson', but it is just as likely to have incited further violence.

The North's humiliation of the rebels with 12 years of Reconstruction was vengeance enough for all but the most barbaric.


It should also be noted that Lincoln was appalled at the notion of revenge on the South in the aftermath of the war. Apart from reconciliation, he intended to lay no terms on the southern states.

His death, of course, changed all that. It was the vengeful Congress and northern leaders that pushed through Reconstruction and its draconian laws and restrictions on the reconquered states.
 
2012-11-30 09:55:43 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: graggor: Zeb Hesselgresser: Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.

Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link

Medicaid you mean. Know the difference? (the idiots linked article shows medicare as one of the cuts....wow)

You can't trust The Washington Post? Who knew.


The article you linked to said Medicare was one of the cuts but Medicaid was not one.

Get it?
 
2012-11-30 09:57:17 AM  
Is Krauthammer's face sculpted from dry feces?
 
2012-11-30 09:57:29 AM  
Also the non-defense mandatory funding....thats welfare for people who didnt know in the real world.
 
2012-11-30 09:57:30 AM  

Weaver95: the Republican pundits are screaming (again, in a weirdly coordinated manner) not to compromise with the Democrats. compromise is for the weak, the Democrats will screw you on the deal, the Democrats idea of compromise is to do everything they say..blah blah blah. the GOP pundits are literally reading off the same talking points sheet. like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right? but when all the big name GOP pundits repeat the same phrases for a week well...I start to wonder if they're getting their orders from somewhere. it wouldn't be a big deal if they were, I just like to see who's got their hand up Limbaugh's ass and is playing him like Kermit the frog.


As always... Follow the money. 'Course, that's not always easy to do.
 
2012-11-30 09:58:15 AM  
He and the rest of the GOP are traitors to this country plain and simple. They need to be weeded out and shot\hung. They are a threat to this nation and need to be eradicated ASAP.

These comments by this cocksucking turncoat are only the tip of the iceberg, but they are glaring insight to how they think and what they want.
 
2012-11-30 09:58:53 AM  

Weaver95: the Republican pundits are screaming (again, in a weirdly coordinated manner) not to compromise with the Democrats. ... the GOP pundits are literally reading off the same talking points sheet. like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right? but when all the big name GOP pundits repeat the same phrases for a week well...I start to wonder if they're getting their orders from somewhere. it wouldn't be a big deal if they were, I just like to see who's got their hand up Limbaugh's ass and is playing him like Kermit the frog.



That's been going on for decades, and really coalesced in the early-mid 90s around the time that Limbaugh had his biggest triumphs. (Remember that before 1992 he was an independent conservative voice, and that all stopped the day George H.W. Bush invited him for a sleepover.)

Twelve years ago the common wisdom was that this was all coordinated somewhere in the RNC with weekly message meetings every Wednesday morning followed by "Blast Faxes" with the week's talking points sent to all their media apparatchiks.. My best guess is we won't know the definitive answer to your question until the disgruntled insider tell-all books come out a few months after the Final Republican Crackup.

I can't wait for those; lots of us have been wondering about the answer to your question for a long time...
 
2012-11-30 09:59:04 AM  

Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.


Came here to say this. So... this.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:23 AM  

keylock71:
As always... Follow the money. 'Course, that's not always easy to do.


well...limbaugh and beck are owned by clear channel.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:25 AM  

Hobodeluxe: The GOP are holding tax cuts on the first 250k of income hostage and are willing to crash the economy and hurt everyone to keep their tax cuts for the wealthy intact.


Its not just about tax cuts for the wealthy. They lied for three years telling us that the Bush economy was the result of Obama's PROPOSED taxes on the rich. They told us that these "job creators" who were being taxed at historically low levels couldn't create jobs because MAYBE Obama was going to raise taxes and make them pay for their employee's healthcare. Now that the lie has been rejected by a majority of the country, they're caught in between keeping their derpy constituents happy and joining the real world in honest debate about tax reform. Some of them have decided to keep up the lie. Its hard for them to now say, hey maybe some revenue isn't such a bad idea, when they've been calling people who want more taxes 'Socialist' for three years.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:34 AM  

evilmrsock: Rev. Skarekroe: These guys disagree.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 344x448]

What is that shiat, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-30 10:00:44 AM  

Rich Cream: If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 10:01:09 AM  

NateGrey: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

Account created: 2012-08-07 11:56:45

Which Fark Liberals?


New game: Match the new account to the old account that disappeared after November 6th.
 
2012-11-30 10:02:13 AM  

mainstreet62: Is Krauthammer's face sculpted from dry feces?


No. It's not "sculpted" at all.
 
2012-11-30 10:02:33 AM  

graggor: Actually Obama is above Romney now by 4.5 million votes with votes still to be counted. He will end up with a 5 million vote lead in all likelihood.

His percentage lead is currently 50.90 to 47.36.

4% point lead with an almost 5 million vote advantage.

The last Republican to win by over 5 million votes in the popular vote was in 1988 over 24 years ago.

Since then Democrats have either lost by winning the popular vote or losing by about 3 million. Democrats meanwhile have won by totals of 8 million votes, 5 million votes, 10 million votes and this term almost 5 million votes (with a slow economy, high unemployment and a black man named barack hussein obama....)

Wow the GOP sucks.


Someone else pointed out in another thread that the Republicans have won the popular vote in only one of the last six presidential elections.

I'd like to add to that the fact that their one PV victory in the last 6 elections was not without the appearance of fraud. The very fact that there's any question as to whether or not there should be an asterisk added to the results of that election is itself an asterisk.

And to further hammer home the original point, both elections since 2004* have had a black guy named Hussein winning by a larger popular vote margin and a much, MUCH larger electoral vote margin than Bush* did in the 2004 election*.
 
2012-11-30 10:04:31 AM  

evilmrsock: Rev. Skarekroe: These guys disagree.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 344x448]

What is that shiat, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?


Early Klansmen.
 
2012-11-30 10:04:35 AM  
Could we please refer to him in future as "Fatuous wheeled gasbag Charles Krauthammer"?
 
2012-11-30 10:05:44 AM  

Weaver95: like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right?


does it really count as a conspiracy when you can see their names on a spending report?
 
2012-11-30 10:05:52 AM  
Just my two cents. I've been thinking about this since the "fiscal cliff" agreement was announced. Both sides recognize that military spending AND entitlement spending are way out of hand. They struck this deal knowing full well that this "cliff" would come to pass. They both claimed that it was set up to make both sides come to the table to negotiate a deal, but in reality, they both wanted this fiscal cliff. Both sides can claim the other side is at fault (I'm not saying that both sides share equal blame, just saying that both sides will blame the other) but both sides end up getting something that they wanted without having to admit that they wanted it. We go through a few years of lower economic growth, perhaps some recession thrown in as well, but we come out on the other side stronger, with less spending on things we can't really afford. We also get back to non-deficit spending and finally get our country out of debt.
Both sides can continue playing partisan politics, while simultaneously actually getting things done that the country really does need. No one opens themselves up to personal attacks when it comes time for their party nominations.

Sorry if it's a bit jumble, this is the first time I've actually written this all out, and I may have missed a few points.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:03 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems.


Please don't give people like this a hard time for their beliefs. Living in an echo chamber and totally writing off huge segments of the media is part of the reason that republicans lose elections.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:12 AM  

yeegrek: DNRTFA, in case that wasn't obvious. Based my response on the headline.


I liked it :-)
 
2012-11-30 10:06:30 AM  

sprawl15: Rich Cream: If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?

[i.imgur.com image 228x299]



So I shouldn't imagine ourselves on the top of the cliff but the bottom? And it's too steep to deal with? Ahhhh sooooo.

/then everyone should stop saying "going over" the cliff if we're going up it.
//how can we expect to have a rational conversation about something when the words we use to describe it aren't accurate?
 
2012-11-30 10:06:51 AM  
mshades.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-30 10:07:15 AM  

mainstreet62: Is Krauthammer's face sculpted from dry feces?


Charles Krauthammer would make a great Christopher Pike if "Star Trek" ever re-did "The Menagerie."
 
2012-11-30 10:07:15 AM  
As opposed to Boehner's offer of only closing unspecified loopholes and removing a few deductions?
 
2012-11-30 10:08:28 AM  
Star Wars fans got a better deal with "Episode 1: The Phantom Menace"
 
2012-11-30 10:10:00 AM  

Rich Cream: So I shouldn't imagine ourselves on the top of the cliff but the bottom? And it's too steep to deal with? Ahhhh sooooo.

/then everyone should stop saying "going over" the cliff if we're going up it.


If we go over the cliff, then we'd fall off it. But as we approach it, we'll run into it, because it's going up.
 
2012-11-30 10:10:37 AM  
We'll give you a better deal next time, assholes.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 10:11:03 AM  
Considering that they should have all eaten bullets, the south got an amazing deal.
 
2012-11-30 10:15:13 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Since WW2, there has been no meaningful cultural, economic, or transportation barrier between the northern and southern US.


you sound comfortably white.
 
2012-11-30 10:16:05 AM  
OK, not to piss in the shoot em all pool party here, but the south definitely should secede again, and just be allowed to ho.
 
2012-11-30 10:18:25 AM  

you have pee hands: theknuckler_33: There is supposed to be roughly similar constituent-to-representative ratios. The solution is not to draw more nutty looking districts, but to make more districts in highly populated areas and larger (ie. fewer) districts in the rural areas. This is actually how it is, but suburban districts are the ones that are drawn funny to extend out to more rural areas to tip the scales towards the GOP.

Take a look at my district in Pa (6th congressional district). Notice how it outlines, but excludes all of Norristown and has an arm that extends up towards the Lehigh valley. Holy farking Christ!

There already are more districts in higher populated areas balanced by population. Wikipedia has the populations of each district as of the 2000 census, and they're all quite similar (excepting small states on one side or the other of the line between 1 & 2 representatives). PA District 5 is geographically probably 20% of the state, but still has the same ~650,000 people as districts 1 & 2, which are both almost entirely in Philadelphia. If the democratic candidates win districts 1&2 by votes of 80-20 or 85-15, that's a margin of several hundred thousand votes but it's still only two districts, while central PA leans republican but not as heavily.

The 6th probably should trade some land with the 7th & 15th, though. It's ugly.


Yea, I acknowledged that there are more districts in higher populated areas. The person I was replying to wondered if rural districts should have a 'finger' that extends into Philly/urban areas to make them more fair or Democratic or whatever. I was just pointing out that it is exactly the opposite of what is happening... my district would have leaned blue, but by excluding Norristown and including ares of Berks county, it tips red now.

I'm not sure which district they should 'trade land' with, but drawing suburban districts in this way is pathetic. There really shouldn't be any line-of-sight between two parts of the district that cross over area from another district... or at least as close as is possible to something like that. The 6th in Pa is a farking joke.
 
2012-11-30 10:19:33 AM  

The last four years.....

First
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... then ...

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... then ... etc..


so fark YOU, GOP!! That's the best deal you farking assholes should get!
 
2012-11-30 10:21:45 AM  

theknuckler_33: Yea, I acknowledged that there are more districts in higher populated areas. The person I was replying to wondered if rural districts should have a 'finger' that extends into Philly/urban areas to make them more fair or Democratic or whatever. I was just pointing out that it is exactly the opposite of what is happening... my district would have leaned blue, but by excluding Norristown and including ares of Berks county, it tips red now.


The question really should really start with "Why do we have districts?"

Is it to ensure that if 40% of the people vote one way and 60% of the people vote the other way, that they are properly proportionally represented? If not, then proportional representation is largely irrelevant as an argument. One could easily make the argument that it is irrelevant for the same reason a lot of our government is broken up by design - districts allow regions to have a minimal amount of voting power. In the latter case, a 'finger' of urban area in a largely rural district undermines the purpose, while in the former that would be the ideal solution.
 
2012-11-30 10:22:02 AM  

incendi: badhatharry: You should really dial that shiat back.

For once, BHH is right about something.


Well, now that pigs can fly, I hope they can control their bowels better than pigeons.
 
2012-11-30 10:22:27 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I'm also going with "who the fark is 'we', jackass?"

Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete. The last person with any historical ties to it whatsoever (reconstruction) would have died before we dropped a particularly historical bomb on Japan.

Since WW2, there has been no meaningful cultural, economic, or transportation barrier between the northern and southern US. Or at least none based around the civil war, we did arbitrarily manufacture some new ones based on demography before economic intergrowth killed those too and made it so basically no one cares.

Basically, at this point the most dyed-in-the-wool southerner has no greater cultural claim to Lee than a seventh generation Pennsylvania Quaker.


24.media.tumblr.com

from FkYeahHistoryCrushes:
Jonathan Myrick Daniels (March 20, 1934-Aug 20, 1965)

Born in Keene, NH Jonathan was a student at Episcopal Theological Seminary when he answered Dr. Martin Luther King's call to ministers and clergy from the North to come to Selma, AL to march with him to the state capitol of Montgomery.

Jonathan came to Selma and then decided to stay longer to continue to fight against racial discrimination. He returned home only to tell the Episcopal Church that he would continue his studies in Selma for the rest of the semester.

On that fateful day, he and 29 other protesters were picketing a 'whites only' establishment when they were arrested. After being released, an angry southerner pulled out his shotgun and attempted to shoot a young black teenage girl that was with the protesters and Jonathan pushed her out of the way and took the shot that was meant for her. He died instantly.

Jonathan's death shocked many whites and caused them to face the truth of racial injustice in the south.
Many were galvanized into action, including the Episcopal Church. Jonathan was declared a martyr in 1991 by the Episcopal Church and August 14 was declared a day of remembrance in his honor. His sacrifice was pivotal in the fight for civil rights in the south.

Jonathan was only 26 years old when he was murdered. He was young, he was brave and he was a man that stood on his convictions; something in itself that makes him a hot history crush!


Obviously the websites' date of his death is off. Here's an Episcopalian site's info on him:

www.allianceforchristianmedia.org

along with an hour long free movie.

/Are Episcopalian martyrs the same as Catholic saints?
 
2012-11-30 10:23:52 AM  
For some reason, when the public has to choose between "Tax increase on the rich" or "Deep spending cuts but we're not gonna tell you what we're cutting cause you'll get mad" they decide they'd rather increase taxes on the rich.
 
2012-11-30 10:27:26 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.


Turning Lee's front lawn into the national graveyard was a good touch I think.
 
2012-11-30 10:27:44 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Considering that they should have all eaten bullets, the south got an amazing deal.

 
2012-11-30 10:31:45 AM  
So I was pissed last night when I heard John Boner complaining that the president wasn't willing to work with him because he wasn't willing to stop looking for increased tax rates on the rich.
Then I heard a breakdown of who those "small business owners" really are:

I HIGHLY recommend you read this for yourself, first, but I'll summarize some of it:
small business owner breakdown

Last year, there were some analysts at the Treasury Department who tried to take a closer look at how many top earners really meet the public's idea of a small business. So they threw out all those who were making more than $10 million. At the other end, they threw out people who might have a big salary from a day job and then a little small business on the side.

And when they narrowed the definition that way, what they found was about one in five taxpayers in those top two brackets is a small business owner. And of all the income in those brackets that would be taxed at a higher rate, only about 7 percent comes from small businesses.

BLOCK: And small businesses, again, defined as those making up to $10 million.

HORSLEY: That's right.

BLOCK: OK. Now, part of this focus on small business, Scott, is because that's supposed to be where a lot of jobs are created. This is another thing that Republicans say time and time again.

HORSLEY: That's right. You aren't going to get a lot of traction just by defending small businesses per se. But when start talking, saying raising tax rates would cost jobs, then the public starts to pay attention. And that's why in Republican lingo wealthy people are invariably described as job creators.

However, the Congressional Budget Office, when they looked at what the job affect of raising those taxes would be, they found it'd really be pretty tiny, about 200,000 jobs over the course of a decade. Now, that sounds like kind of a lot, but it's only about as many jobs as we've been adding in one or two months. So it's a fairly small effect we're talking about.


These assholes keep claiming that raising tax rates will stop job growth, and it turns out to be a months worth of jobs over a decade.

so truthfully, they are throwing an epic, nation and fiscal destroying temper tantrum so that the ultra rich won't pay a little bit more in taxes. All the while they want to hit the poor and middle class ten times harder than the democrats would ever even consider hitting the rich.

These chuckle farks are going to try to destroy us all to protect the income of the top 1/5 of 1% of Americans and are lying about how much damage it will do the whole way.

fark these guys
 
2012-11-30 10:35:15 AM  
i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 10:35:33 AM  
yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

Well, those slave owners would have needed someone to rape.

Yukkkkkkkko!
If I was a slaveowner, I'd rather schtup the chimpanzie victim lady then the ferociously ugly scarry faced Krautheimer.
 
2012-11-30 10:35:37 AM  

somedude210: well at least he admits he's a racist douchenozzle that want to destroy this country


and a least he admits they lost the war unlike many people I come across in the south.
 
2012-11-30 10:36:40 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: These chuckle farks are going to try to destroy us all to protect the income of the top 1/5 of 1% of Americans and are lying about how much damage it will do the whole way.

fark these guys



Step 1: Weaken banking regulations, leading to wild speculation, a crash, and a recession, costing middle class jobs.
Step 2: Openly argue for eliminating the mortgage deduction.
Step 3: Win ALL of the elections.

If you can find a way to slip in, "Corporations are sitting on the largest pile of money in history to punish America for voting for the black man", be my guest.
 
2012-11-30 10:42:18 AM  

vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.


i78.photobucket.com

Clifford Worley got a better deal with Vincenzo "Vincent" Coccotti.
 
2012-11-30 10:43:18 AM  

vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.


Nookular hyperbole!!!!!
 
2012-11-30 10:43:20 AM  

Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.


Let me help you understand. If the GOP wants a compromise, they have to present a plan stating what it is that they want. Then both sides need to relinquish some ground so that a compromise can be reached.

If the GOP has no plan, then there can be no compromise, or would you prefer whining about something being rammed down your throat?
 
2012-11-30 10:47:34 AM  

born_yesterday: Uchiha_Cycliste: These chuckle farks are going to try to destroy us all to protect the income of the top 1/5 of 1% of Americans and are lying about how much damage it will do the whole way.

fark these guys


Step 1: Weaken banking regulations, leading to wild speculation, a crash, and a recession, costing middle class jobs.
Step 2: Openly argue for eliminating the mortgage deduction.
Step 3: Win ALL of the elections.

If you can find a way to slip in, "Corporations are sitting on the largest pile of money in history to punish America for voting for the black man", be my guest.


They want to raise taxes on the poor.
They want to hurt entitlements all the while bastardizing the definition of entitlement to include anyone (poor) who gets money from the government.
They want to give more money to the military*
They want to raise taxes on the middle class
They want to make sure the rich DON'T have their taxes raised

These are the goals they have explicitly stated they are working towards for this fiscal cliff nonsense. They are rejecting out of hand anything the whitehouse tries and then they biatch that Obama is the one who is not serious and they are the ones willing to compromise. It's unbearable. Even more so because none of the media is taking them to task on the bullshiat.

\* it makes sense when you consider more military money means giving that money to the people that own defense companies and what have you, essentially shifting the money from tax payers to providers of military HW.
 
2012-11-30 10:48:19 AM  
i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 10:48:37 AM  

Graffito: Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.

Let me help you understand. If the GOP wants a compromise, they have to present a plan stating what it is that they want. Then both sides need to relinquish some ground so that a compromise can be reached.

If the GOP has no plan, then there can be no compromise, or would you prefer whining about something being rammed down your throat?


In all fairness, I've never seen Buffalo77 ever whine about that.
 
2012-11-30 10:50:30 AM  
The southern asswipe who killed Jonathan Daniels and attempted to kill his white interfaith friend in Christ, Father Richard Morrisroe, when they got in the way of his killing the two black women he was aiming for:

www.episcopalarchives.org

More on Coleman:

... In the parlance of the times, Mr. Daniels was an outside agitator and to many of the white people of Lowndes County, where black people outnumbered white residents 4-to-1 and were kept in line by constant intimidation, that meant he was fair game, as was the Rev. Richard Morrisroe, a Roman Catholic priest ...

...Mr. Coleman, an engineer for the highway department and a member of one of the county's oldest families, was at the courthouse when Mr. Daniels, Father Morrisroe and more than 20 black companions were released from the Lowndes County jail, where they had been held on vague charges after a demonstration.

As members of the group recounted it, they were suspicious of the circumstances of their sudden release. While a young man sought a phone to call friends to pick them up, some of the others moved off toward a little store a few blocks away to buy sodas.

As the two white men and two black young women neared the store, witnesses said, Mr. Coleman, an unpaid special deputy sheriff with a pistol at his side and a 12-gauge shotgun in his arms, barred the way, telling them the store was closed and cursing the young women.

Then, as he aimed the shotgun at one of the young women and began to pull the trigger, she and other witnesses said, Mr. Daniels pushed the young women to the ground and used his body as a shield just as the gun went off, nearly tearing his body in two. A second blast struck Father Morrisroe in the back.

.... Over the years, Mr. Coleman continued to play dominoes at the courthouse, but his cronies made a point not to discuss the events of 1965, his sister, Hulde Coleman, said.
 

/fk Krauthammer, the South needed an ass whipping, not kid's gloves
 
2012-11-30 10:52:39 AM  

Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.


On a personal level, how'd that work out for him?


/Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
 
2012-11-30 10:55:27 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Some guy who isn't smart enough to check if there's water in the pool before he dives in has an opinion on something. Now, ask me if I care.

 
2012-11-30 10:55:30 AM  

bigheadface: Both sides recognize that military spending AND entitlement spending are way out of hand.


Then why did Romney promise to increases military spending? And how in god's name is entitlement spending out of hand? Not enough poor, starving and sick people?
 
2012-11-30 10:56:19 AM  

Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]


Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:37 AM  

Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!


The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?
 
2012-11-30 10:59:45 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.


you disagree?

how?
 
2012-11-30 11:01:48 AM  
Charles Krauthammer: "We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

You are still revolting.
 
2012-11-30 11:06:05 AM  

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!


that's just awful.
 
2012-11-30 11:06:18 AM  

badhatharry: Dimensio: badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?

Your claim is interesting, but it might be more credible were it not issued by an unrepentant liar.

Give it a rest, Alinsky.


You know what cracks me up? Constant cries of "ALINSKI!!1!" from slackjawed mouthbreathers who have not only never read anything he wrote, but had never even heard of him until the propaganda arm of the Republican party turned him into a boogeyman a few years ago.
 
2012-11-30 11:06:18 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?


Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:07 AM  
The repubs made a ridiculous, bad faith opening offer and then get upset when Obama responds with a ridiculous, bad faith opening offer? Color me surprised. Now that both sides have swung their dicks around and established their bad ass creds, how about getting to work and getting something accomplished?
 
2012-11-30 11:08:20 AM  

FitzShivering: Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.

They saw Lincoln and decided his voice wasn't manly enough, so they've switched sides.

/that really was the big complaint I know from my right-leaning friends who have seen it


You know, I'm pretty sure the GOP is convinced that wandering spirits can steal your gender at any point in time unless you form a magical shield by farking an exotic dancer while sacrificing raw steak to a motorcycle.
 
2012-11-30 11:09:54 AM  

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!

 

www.myfacewhen.net
 
2012-11-30 11:10:47 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.


One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.
 
2012-11-30 11:12:56 AM  

vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.


When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.
 
2012-11-30 11:15:39 AM  

Anti_illuminati:
One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.


Hell, I'll do one better. When the Republican party stance is to openly call for the secession of the Red States (AKA South) through war, then I'll agree with you.
 
2012-11-30 11:16:38 AM  
Are we not allowing them to keep their horses?

www.mikecornelison.com
 
2012-11-30 11:21:07 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


Yeah I guess you will be surprised to find that sequestering and tax increase are a good thing, just not in the short run. Sorry douch nozzle, but you are hearing the biased media and Republicans whine about it. Take a look at what President Obama is proposing and you'll see that his opening position is all the programs he wants. Sure if no compromise or modification is reached the fiscal cliff will suck for the years 2013-2023, but the US will be better for it.
 
2012-11-30 11:24:25 AM  

Rich Cream: If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?


It will be a drag on Gross Domestic Product (GDP). I.e. the way we measure how the economy grows. It may even turn into negative growth for the first two or three years, reducing job growth or even causing increased unemployment, lowered profits, and costing US citizens more in taxes.
 
2012-11-30 11:24:40 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 11:35:12 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.


You sound like you haven't ever spoken to a Republican.
 
2012-11-30 11:36:59 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Could we please refer to him in future as "Fatuous wheeled gasbag Charles Krauthammer"?


As much as I disagree with him, his being in a wheelchair in no way is related to the idiocy of his ideas nor the damage they cause. It hurts more than helps to bring this up about him.
 
2012-11-30 11:38:01 AM  

Anti_illuminati: I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.


I disagree. The US would have lost a few states if the north had lost, but it would still have been the US. Smaller (and smarter, some would say), but still the US. On the other hand, today's GOP is hellbent on turning the US into a third-world theocracy.

Try again?

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

lebowski.jpg
 
2012-11-30 11:40:00 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: I was told by Fark Liberals


No, you weren't.

Lucky LaRue: What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion?


The fact that even to this day, more than 140 years later, many, if not most, Southerners still call it "The War of Northern Aggression" Whether or not they've internalized the fact that they may be arguable, but in mys experience with the South (which is not extensive, but is certainly pretty broad) they most certainly do not see it as a "rebellion."
 
2012-11-30 11:43:53 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: No, you weren't.


www.zuguide.com

Well, not him personally, but a guy he knows.
 
2012-11-30 11:48:44 AM  

theknuckler_33: you have pee hands: ghall3: "Republicans won the House" I hate how they keep falling back on this. It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE that this is because they rigged it. The Dems won 50.2% of the vote for the house compared with 49.7% for the GOP. Now this is not a huge margin but considering the GOP ended up with 51.4% of the seats compared with 44.8% for the Dems, something is wrong.

But of course the media will never call the GOP out on this when they bring it up because they have to be "fair and balanced".

We are farked

It's not exactly rigged. Everyone keeps calling this gerrymandering without looking at how exactly it happened. PA is a great example. The democrats took a majority of the votes but only 6/18 house seats - because they won by giant majorities in Philadelphia and lost by slimmer margins across most of the rest of the state. Should every district have a long tendril into Philly to split up heavy Democratic majority from the metro area across the rest of the state's districts? That would end up with a ridiculous looking map of districts. The same pattern - Democratic supermajority in urban areas and smaller republican majorities in rural areas - played out in many places across the country. There are very few districts Republicans win with the 80%+ majorities Democrats take in the cities. It's not exactly a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of a system where winning by 1% is worth the same as winning by 40%. The only way around it would to switch to a nationwide vote and a system or proportional representation.

There is supposed to be roughly similar constituent-to-representative ratios. The solution is not to draw more nutty looking districts, but to make more districts in highly populated areas and larger (ie. fewer) districts in the rural areas. This is actually how it is, but suburban districts are the ones that are drawn funny to extend out to more rural areas to tip the scales towards the GOP.

Take a look at my dis ...


At one point they even had it split in half, with part of it out in Pittsburgh.
 
2012-11-30 11:49:01 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.

Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.

What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion? Executing Davis and the other leaders may have 'taught them a lesson', but it is just as likely to have incited further violence.

The North's humiliation of the rebels with 12 years of Reconstruction was vengeance enough for all but the most barbaric.


Yes, let's discuss the humiliation of Reconstruction.

Southern whites were forced to treat African American like human beings for a decade. How very humiliating and barbaric. I mean they even allowed the darkies to vote!
 
2012-11-30 11:49:25 AM  
Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.
 
2012-11-30 11:50:53 AM  
I made this when Krauty was on the Romney foreign policy spin cycle, but I think I can use it for any Krauty thread.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 11:51:39 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.

You sound like you haven't ever spoken to a Republican.


Your everyday non-plutocrat Republican is quick to lend a helping hand to a neighbor. But don't be black, and don't be white trash.

The plutocrats however wouldn't dump a bucket of water on you if you were on fire. Just magine the hospital bills you'd have to pay from all those burns, and you aren't rich like them, which means you'd be suckling off the government teat. Better to let you die.
 
2012-11-30 11:53:03 AM  

Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.


Bloody conflicts are not the only way to change a nation into something new. One could have made the argument that Perestroika was the greatest threat the Soviet Union ever faced. And, in fact, it ended the Soviet Union, something Hitler failed to do.
 
2012-11-30 11:55:14 AM  
Every officer and every person who served in any form of Confederate government should have been hanged. It is what you do to traitors. But no... we had to "heal". What a bunch of BS. Those same traitors were in power not two years later, being racist and jim crowie, and their stupid inbred kids are still southern stratgey-ing it now.

This line of thought falls under the false assumption that lincoln was correct in even fighting the Civil War. America would be a lot better off without fat, stupid, racist Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, etc. These states suck money from the CREATOR states.
 
2012-11-30 11:58:42 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Zeb Hesselgresser: I was told by Fark Liberals

No, you weren't.

Lucky LaRue: What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion?

The fact that even to this day, more than 140 years later, many, if not most, Southerners still call it "The War of Northern Aggression" Whether or not they've internalized the fact that they may be arguable, but in mys experience with the South (which is not extensive, but is certainly pretty broad) they most certainly do not see it as a "rebellion."


The bolded part is just not true. The south has a lot of problems but as someone who has lived in the south my whole life I have never heard anyone call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression, so I do not believe 'most' southerns call it that. I have been in very rural areas and have been friends with people in rural areas (where a lot of 'redneck' racists live) and have not heard it called that. The fellow southerners I know don't even talk about it.

/liberal in Alabama
//I have used the term "yankee" but in jest
 
2012-11-30 12:00:54 PM  

orlandomagik: Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.


We're they ever on the right side of any issue?
 
2012-11-30 12:01:06 PM  
www.wnd.com
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

It's like what a demon or hostile alien intent on destroying Humanity would wear as a rubber mask over it's real head.
 
2012-11-30 12:01:38 PM  

jackieeeee: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Zeb Hesselgresser: I was told by Fark Liberals

No, you weren't.

Lucky LaRue: What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion?

The fact that even to this day, more than 140 years later, many, if not most, Southerners still call it "The War of Northern Aggression" Whether or not they've internalized the fact that they may be arguable, but in mys experience with the South (which is not extensive, but is certainly pretty broad) they most certainly do not see it as a "rebellion."

The bolded part is just not true. The south has a lot of problems but as someone who has lived in the south my whole life I have never heard anyone call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression, so I do not believe 'most' southerns call it that. I have been in very rural areas and have been friends with people in rural areas (where a lot of 'redneck' racists live) and have not heard it called that. The fellow southerners I know don't even talk about it.

/liberal in Alabama
//I have used the term "yankee" but in jest


The vast majority of Southerners who call it "War of Northern Aggression" do so to troll naïve Northerners who are bigoted enough to think everyone down here thinks that way.

The rest are generally considered idiots by their fellow Southerners.
 
2012-11-30 12:02:04 PM  

jackieeeee: The bolded part is just not true. The south has a lot of problems but as someone who has lived in the south my whole life I have never heard anyone call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression, so I do not believe 'most' southerns call it that. I have been in very rural areas and have been friends with people in rural areas (where a lot of 'redneck' racists live) and have not heard it called that. The fellow southerners I know don't even talk about it.


It's mostly something that is perpetuated by tour guides in the more touristy cities.
 
2012-11-30 12:02:34 PM  

bdub77: [i.imgur.com image 530x795]


This may be the best "deal with it" i have seen yet. Favorited
 
2012-11-30 12:03:26 PM  

vygramul: Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.

Bloody conflicts are not the only way to change a nation into something new. One could have made the argument that Perestroika was the greatest threat the Soviet Union ever faced. And, in fact, it ended the Soviet Union, something Hitler failed to do.


I'm not sure what you're arguing, or where you're trying to go with this, but whatever it is, sure, OK.
 
2012-11-30 12:04:27 PM  

mrshowrules: orlandomagik: Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.

We're they ever on the right side of any issue?


In what passes for their minds, they're right on every issue every time, without ever having to "study it out", and, in their opinion, that's why everything is wrong with the world now and getting worse.
 
2012-11-30 12:05:04 PM  

MayoSlather: Philip Francis Queeg: Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.

You sound like you haven't ever spoken to a Republican.

Your everyday non-plutocrat Republican is quick to lend a helping hand to a neighbor. But don't be black, and don't be white trash.

The plutocrats however wouldn't dump a bucket of water on you if you were on fire. Just magine the hospital bills you'd have to pay from all those burns, and you aren't rich like them, which means you'd be suckling off the government teat. Better to let you die.


You should've used the standard "wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire." It expresses just that much more contempt.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:42 PM  

mrshowrules: orlandomagik: Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.

We're they ever on the right side of any issue?


Yes. That's a little too hyperbolic for me to touch.
 
2012-11-30 12:08:50 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: What a carpetbagger might look like.

Ignore this. The picture of Hillary Clinton campaigning as a senator in New York State was too big, and I'm too lazy to go look for another.


She is everyone's *favorite* carpetbagger, though.
 
2012-11-30 12:30:02 PM  

FitzShivering: This is what happens when you lose elections because you were too busy coddling rich people who were going to vote for you anyway, Chuck.

Also doesn't help when you can't get your folks from making really, really, really stupid comments about rape.


For GOPers who don't have time to read lengthier, more introspective analyses of why voters kicked them to the curb.
 
2012-11-30 12:30:13 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.

Huh? The Transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, almost exactly 4 years after the end of the Confederacy.


Yeah, when that giant mechanized spider attacked the President!
 
2012-11-30 12:34:06 PM  

Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.

Bloody conflicts are not the only way to change a nation into something new. One could have made the argument that Perestroika was the greatest threat the Soviet Union ever faced. And, in fact, it ended the Soviet Union, something Hitler failed to do.

I'm not sure what you're arguing, or where you're trying to go with this, but whatever it is, sure, OK.


The civil war was bad, but we were able to throw off the chains of slavery. The modern GOP no longer wants to do what is best for this nation and is willing to not only hold is hostage but allow great material harm to occur to it for the sake of protecting an incredibly small minority of its population. I'll agree they are different threats, but one was a battle of two groups that both fought for their beliefs and to structure things as they felt best secured their future and another is willing to throw away everything... so tax rates won't go up. At the very least you must agree the modern GOP is more sinister, and possibly indeed more evil.
 
2012-11-30 12:40:09 PM  

Arkanaut: yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

I'm imagining Charles Krauthammer in a motorized wheelchair with a Confederate flag sticking out of it.


Boehner is already orange. They can just put a big 'ol 01 on his forehead and stick the Stars and Bars on his ass and jump him like the General Lee off the fiscal cliff.

/Tell me you wouldn't pay to see that!
 
2012-11-30 12:53:51 PM  
What he said:

It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.
There not only are no cuts in this, there's an increase in new spending with a stimulus - this is almost unheard of. I mean, what do they expect? They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.


Revisionist history for both the 1860s and 2010-2012. He's suggesting that the GOP didn't have the House prior to the election. What an idiot.
 
2012-11-30 12:58:01 PM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Judah Benjamin was one of Jeff Davis's closest friends and held a variety of cabinet positions in the CSA.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:58 PM  

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


At least he's not near.
 
2012-11-30 01:08:00 PM  

mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense


none taken, and not far off. All the crazy shiat the birther tea party loons believe, she believes.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:50 PM  
"A Rectal Shark Hummer" and "A Hammerer Harks Cult" are but two of the many anagrams for Charles Krauthammer.

/Would you like to know more?
 
2012-11-30 01:17:45 PM  

brerjeff: mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense

none taken, and not far off. All the crazy shiat the birther tea party loons believe, she believes.


My mom calls me the day before every election and asks me who she should vote for. My dad was a Conservative but in the traditional reasonable sense.
 
2012-11-30 01:49:18 PM  
I didn't know Chucky was a paraplegic. I guess it explains a lot. He's angry handicapped. Instead of seeing his disability as a challenge to overcome, he lets it fuel his bitterness and anger at the world.
 
2012-11-30 01:52:07 PM  

mrshowrules: brerjeff: mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense

none taken, and not far off. All the crazy shiat the birther tea party loons believe, she believes.

My mom calls me the day before every election and asks me who she should vote for. My dad was a Conservative but in the traditional reasonable sense.


My mom used to be sane and reasonable until Clinton got elected. Ever since then she's gotten much more religious and much more angry about evil Democrats destroying everything that is good. Add in a touch of racism and you've got "Obama is the anti-Christ". My dad is former military so he is pro-republican but mostly apolitical (and a little racist). I used to be a ditto head until Bush was elected and sent us to war 2x, plus a host of other things I discovered about the GOP. That woke me up, it's hard to imagine I was ever such a supporter of any political party.
 
2012-11-30 02:08:30 PM  

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!



That was totally inappropriate!

/snicker.
 
2012-11-30 02:15:21 PM  
You know you just got your ass kicked when the best argument you can think up is that it wasn't a very big margin of loss.
 
2012-11-30 02:18:12 PM  
South didn't actually `lose' (no more direct ownership, it's true) they simply slipped into comfortable `reconciliation' that didn't formerly end until the Voting Rights Act was passed.

The Southern Dems, of a certain stripe (snake handling ability), lined up behind Wallace (nearly threw the `68 election into the House). Nixon did everything he could to wrest this demographic away from George and sweep them into the Repub. fold (google Nixon: Alabama Project - Wallace always believed Nixon was behind his assassination attempt - had good reason considering the antecedents).

At this long remove you'd think the dead would lie still...

/exorcism? how does that work?
 
2012-11-30 02:22:10 PM  
Subby- He didn't say "we." If you read the article you linked, CK says "Robert E. Lee" got a better deal.

It may not seem like a big deal but as you wrote it, it was perplexingly off base. After all, the Republicans won the Civil war and dictated terms to the Democrats who lost the war. Since Krauthammer is a Republican, it would be odd for him to say "we" when mentioning the defeated Democrat slave owners.
 
2012-11-30 02:45:18 PM  

Leeds: Subby- He didn't say "we." If you read the article you linked, CK says "Robert E. Lee" got a better deal.

It may not seem like a big deal but as you wrote it, it was perplexingly off base. After all, the Republicans won the Civil war and dictated terms to the Democrats who lost the war. Since Krauthammer is a Republican, it would be odd for him to say "we" when mentioning the defeated Democrat slave owners.



I lol'd.
 
2012-11-30 02:53:56 PM  
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

Looks like sour krauthammer to me...
 
2012-11-30 03:06:13 PM  

jso2897: We'll give you a better deal next time, assholes.
[i18.photobucket.com image 399x408]


Just give me the button. I can channel a mean Sherman.
 
2012-11-30 03:18:37 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!

The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?


Were you talking to me, or did you not reply to the incorrect person? In case you were talking to me, Mr. vernonFL often misrepresents an argument to gain attention. We like to call that trolling. All, in good fun for most folks. I however was mocking that current economic issues that are maybe not quite as bad as hatred for groups of people or maybe not quite as bad as dropping a bomb on civilians in order to end a war. These are horrific events in history in their own right and maybe we shouldn't compare our very manageable situation to those events, you know because it's disrespectful to those who suffer.
 
2012-11-30 03:32:21 PM  
"It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans."

You idiot the Democrats did not have control of the house prior to the election so they would not have been able to hold it and the republicans held the house and lost a few seats if i recall correctly.

Get your facts right.
 
2012-11-30 03:39:36 PM  
Not to detract from the stupidity of Krauthammer at comparing the two situations, but he didn't really refer to the Confederacy as "we."

Once again, the Repubs say enough stupid shiat to last a lifetime, you don't need to put words in their mouths.
 
2012-11-30 04:02:18 PM  

jaytkay: Nobody is serious about the deficit if they don't call for massive cuts to the Pentagon budget.

The Republicans are serious about wrecking the lives of the 99.9998% in order to shovel money into bank accounts of the 0.0002%.


/FT4Y.
//And that's assuming that over 100 million (or a third of all) Americans don′t count at all.
 
2012-11-30 04:03:41 PM  

Urk! Fark threw this away the first time. It goes with my previous post:

www.theglobalfczone.com
 
2012-11-30 04:06:58 PM  

King Something: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Sherman also erred, by leaving any traitors to send to the gallows in the first place.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 04:16:18 PM  
But I thought they were the Party of Lincoln?

/sarc
 
2012-11-30 04:33:00 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [www.wnd.com image 320x240]
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

It's like what a demon or hostile alien intent on destroying Humanity would wear as a rubber mask over it's real head.


does his belly rumble loudly? does he excuse himself often that he hasn't had anything to eat yet?
is he planning on building a nuclear reactor in the middle of Cardiff B'more?
 
2012-11-30 04:38:22 PM  

Richard Freckle: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!

The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?

Were you talking to me, or did you not reply to the incorrect person? In case you were talking to me, Mr. vernonFL often misrepresents an argument to gain attention. We like to call that trolling. All, in good fun for most folks. I however was mocking that current economic issues that are maybe not quite as bad as hatred for groups of people or maybe not quite as bad as dropping a bomb on civilians in order to end a war. These are horrific events in history in their own right and maybe we shouldn't compare our very manageable situation to those events, you know because it's disrespectful to those who suffer.


To Vernon. Sorry dude.

As for the Japanese, they needed a nuclear bomb dropped on them. Twice. The Japanese were assholes, and treated prisoners of war like shiat. If that's what it took to knock some sense in and bring the war to a real close, well...
 
2012-11-30 04:45:28 PM  
Skeletor is displeased with He-Man's shenanigans.
 
2012-11-30 04:49:20 PM  

HighOnCraic: But I thought they were the Party of Lincoln?

/sarc


We are. Subby reversed the comment to make it seem like we weren't.

// Subby is a retard evidently
 
2012-11-30 04:51:41 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!

The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?

Were you talking to me, or did you not reply to the incorrect person? In case you were talking to me, Mr. vernonFL often misrepresents an argument to gain attention. We like to call that trolling. All, in good fun for most folks. I however was mocking that current economic issues that are maybe not quite as bad as hatred for groups of people or maybe not quite as bad as dropping a bomb on civilians in order to end a war. These are horrific events in history in their own right and maybe we shouldn't compare our very manageable situation to those events, you know because it's disrespectful to those who suffer.

To Vernon. Sorry dude.

As for the Japanese, they needed a nuclear bomb dropped on them. Twice. The Japanese were assholes, and treated prisoners of war like shiat. If that's what it took to knock some sense in and bring the war to a real close, well...


Horrific, but agreed.
 
2012-11-30 05:25:53 PM  

theknuckler_33: The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.

I love this "they barely won" narrative the right is pushing considering the results of 2000 and 2004.


What can Obama do without the house?
 
2012-11-30 06:29:02 PM  

I alone am best: theknuckler_33: The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.

I love this "they barely won" narrative the right is pushing considering the results of 2000 and 2004.

What can Obama do without the house?


Bush Tax Cuts expire and they still lose.
 
2012-11-30 06:33:10 PM  

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!


so much win
 
2012-11-30 08:47:58 PM  
Lose the civil war? WTF!! Classic AH! Punk chickenhawk too. He is exactly the stereotype (in persona) clue-less old white dude...He's with Rove and Flush...I Actually I hope the GOP hangs on withthese guys!
 
2012-12-01 12:47:47 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-01 02:47:38 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: TV's Vinnie: [www.wnd.com image 320x240]
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

It's like what a demon or hostile alien intent on destroying Humanity would wear as a rubber mask over it's real head.

does his belly rumble loudly? does he excuse himself often that he hasn't had anything to eat yet?
is he planning on building a nuclear reactor in the middle of Cardiff B'more?


I enjoy when I'm eating a huge meal or am at a buffet or all-you-can-eat place and I'm filling up, but then I go and take a massive shiat, and then I'm good to go and double what I've eaten.
 
2012-12-01 02:51:12 AM  

Richard Freckle: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!

The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?

Were you talking to me, or did you not reply to the incorrect person? In case you were talking to me, Mr. vernonFL often misrepresents an argument to gain attention. We like to call that trolling. All, in good fun for most folks. I however was mocking that current economic issues that are maybe not quite as bad as hatred for groups of people or maybe not quite as bad as dropping a bomb on civilians in order to end a war. These are horrific events in history in their own right and maybe we shouldn't compare our very manageable situation to those events, you know because it's disrespectful to those who suffer.

To Vernon. Sorry dude.

As for the Japanese, they needed a nuclear bomb dropped on them. Twice. The Japanese were assholes, and treated prisoners of war like shiat. If that's what it took to knock some sense in and bring the war to a real close, well...

Horrific, but agreed.



I don't know how popular of a view point it is as of late, and people have forgotten what war like that really means. However, the fact that they didn't surrender after the first bomb was dropped and after they were warned about the second really does speak towards the necessity of both. OTOH, I don't know what it means that no one has dropped a bomb since. Outside of it being something to be ever so grateful for.
 
2012-12-01 07:06:34 PM  
So what did Chuckles actually say?

It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.

First, despite not using "we" there, CK making the GOP the Confederacy in his analogy is hilariously apt.

Second, Republicans gerrymandered their win of the House, so asterisk there.

Third the GOP have not bartered in good faith to date in any attempts made to find a reasonable compromise solution so his assertion that it's the Dems who are being the unreasonable bullies in this picture is pure RW projection.

Finally, if Charles Krauthammer said on national teevee right now that the Pope was Catholic I'd have to double check on wiki to make sure he wasn't lying cos the guy currently holds the all-time record for being wrong about everything.

He's the George Costanza of politics.
 
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