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2012-11-30 11:35:12 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.


You sound like you haven't ever spoken to a Republican.
 
2012-11-30 11:36:59 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Could we please refer to him in future as "Fatuous wheeled gasbag Charles Krauthammer"?


As much as I disagree with him, his being in a wheelchair in no way is related to the idiocy of his ideas nor the damage they cause. It hurts more than helps to bring this up about him.
 
2012-11-30 11:38:01 AM

Anti_illuminati: I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.


I disagree. The US would have lost a few states if the north had lost, but it would still have been the US. Smaller (and smarter, some would say), but still the US. On the other hand, today's GOP is hellbent on turning the US into a third-world theocracy.

Try again?

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

lebowski.jpg
 
2012-11-30 11:40:00 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: I was told by Fark Liberals


No, you weren't.

Lucky LaRue: What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion?


The fact that even to this day, more than 140 years later, many, if not most, Southerners still call it "The War of Northern Aggression" Whether or not they've internalized the fact that they may be arguable, but in mys experience with the South (which is not extensive, but is certainly pretty broad) they most certainly do not see it as a "rebellion."
 
2012-11-30 11:43:53 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: No, you weren't.


www.zuguide.com

Well, not him personally, but a guy he knows.
 
2012-11-30 11:48:44 AM

theknuckler_33: you have pee hands: ghall3: "Republicans won the House" I hate how they keep falling back on this. It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE that this is because they rigged it. The Dems won 50.2% of the vote for the house compared with 49.7% for the GOP. Now this is not a huge margin but considering the GOP ended up with 51.4% of the seats compared with 44.8% for the Dems, something is wrong.

But of course the media will never call the GOP out on this when they bring it up because they have to be "fair and balanced".

We are farked

It's not exactly rigged. Everyone keeps calling this gerrymandering without looking at how exactly it happened. PA is a great example. The democrats took a majority of the votes but only 6/18 house seats - because they won by giant majorities in Philadelphia and lost by slimmer margins across most of the rest of the state. Should every district have a long tendril into Philly to split up heavy Democratic majority from the metro area across the rest of the state's districts? That would end up with a ridiculous looking map of districts. The same pattern - Democratic supermajority in urban areas and smaller republican majorities in rural areas - played out in many places across the country. There are very few districts Republicans win with the 80%+ majorities Democrats take in the cities. It's not exactly a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of a system where winning by 1% is worth the same as winning by 40%. The only way around it would to switch to a nationwide vote and a system or proportional representation.

There is supposed to be roughly similar constituent-to-representative ratios. The solution is not to draw more nutty looking districts, but to make more districts in highly populated areas and larger (ie. fewer) districts in the rural areas. This is actually how it is, but suburban districts are the ones that are drawn funny to extend out to more rural areas to tip the scales towards the GOP.

Take a look at my dis ...


At one point they even had it split in half, with part of it out in Pittsburgh.
 
2012-11-30 11:49:01 AM

Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.

Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.

What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion? Executing Davis and the other leaders may have 'taught them a lesson', but it is just as likely to have incited further violence.

The North's humiliation of the rebels with 12 years of Reconstruction was vengeance enough for all but the most barbaric.


Yes, let's discuss the humiliation of Reconstruction.

Southern whites were forced to treat African American like human beings for a decade. How very humiliating and barbaric. I mean they even allowed the darkies to vote!
 
2012-11-30 11:49:25 AM
Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.
 
2012-11-30 11:50:53 AM
I made this when Krauty was on the Romney foreign policy spin cycle, but I think I can use it for any Krauty thread.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 11:51:39 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.

You sound like you haven't ever spoken to a Republican.


Your everyday non-plutocrat Republican is quick to lend a helping hand to a neighbor. But don't be black, and don't be white trash.

The plutocrats however wouldn't dump a bucket of water on you if you were on fire. Just magine the hospital bills you'd have to pay from all those burns, and you aren't rich like them, which means you'd be suckling off the government teat. Better to let you die.
 
2012-11-30 11:53:03 AM

Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.


Bloody conflicts are not the only way to change a nation into something new. One could have made the argument that Perestroika was the greatest threat the Soviet Union ever faced. And, in fact, it ended the Soviet Union, something Hitler failed to do.
 
2012-11-30 11:55:14 AM
Every officer and every person who served in any form of Confederate government should have been hanged. It is what you do to traitors. But no... we had to "heal". What a bunch of BS. Those same traitors were in power not two years later, being racist and jim crowie, and their stupid inbred kids are still southern stratgey-ing it now.

This line of thought falls under the false assumption that lincoln was correct in even fighting the Civil War. America would be a lot better off without fat, stupid, racist Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, etc. These states suck money from the CREATOR states.
 
2012-11-30 11:58:42 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Zeb Hesselgresser: I was told by Fark Liberals

No, you weren't.

Lucky LaRue: What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion?

The fact that even to this day, more than 140 years later, many, if not most, Southerners still call it "The War of Northern Aggression" Whether or not they've internalized the fact that they may be arguable, but in mys experience with the South (which is not extensive, but is certainly pretty broad) they most certainly do not see it as a "rebellion."


The bolded part is just not true. The south has a lot of problems but as someone who has lived in the south my whole life I have never heard anyone call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression, so I do not believe 'most' southerns call it that. I have been in very rural areas and have been friends with people in rural areas (where a lot of 'redneck' racists live) and have not heard it called that. The fellow southerners I know don't even talk about it.

/liberal in Alabama
//I have used the term "yankee" but in jest
 
2012-11-30 12:00:54 PM

orlandomagik: Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.


We're they ever on the right side of any issue?
 
2012-11-30 12:01:06 PM
www.wnd.com
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

It's like what a demon or hostile alien intent on destroying Humanity would wear as a rubber mask over it's real head.
 
2012-11-30 12:01:38 PM

jackieeeee: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Zeb Hesselgresser: I was told by Fark Liberals

No, you weren't.

Lucky LaRue: What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion?

The fact that even to this day, more than 140 years later, many, if not most, Southerners still call it "The War of Northern Aggression" Whether or not they've internalized the fact that they may be arguable, but in mys experience with the South (which is not extensive, but is certainly pretty broad) they most certainly do not see it as a "rebellion."

The bolded part is just not true. The south has a lot of problems but as someone who has lived in the south my whole life I have never heard anyone call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression, so I do not believe 'most' southerns call it that. I have been in very rural areas and have been friends with people in rural areas (where a lot of 'redneck' racists live) and have not heard it called that. The fellow southerners I know don't even talk about it.

/liberal in Alabama
//I have used the term "yankee" but in jest


The vast majority of Southerners who call it "War of Northern Aggression" do so to troll naïve Northerners who are bigoted enough to think everyone down here thinks that way.

The rest are generally considered idiots by their fellow Southerners.
 
2012-11-30 12:02:04 PM

jackieeeee: The bolded part is just not true. The south has a lot of problems but as someone who has lived in the south my whole life I have never heard anyone call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression, so I do not believe 'most' southerns call it that. I have been in very rural areas and have been friends with people in rural areas (where a lot of 'redneck' racists live) and have not heard it called that. The fellow southerners I know don't even talk about it.


It's mostly something that is perpetuated by tour guides in the more touristy cities.
 
2012-11-30 12:02:34 PM

bdub77: [i.imgur.com image 530x795]


This may be the best "deal with it" i have seen yet. Favorited
 
2012-11-30 12:03:26 PM

vygramul: Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.

Bloody conflicts are not the only way to change a nation into something new. One could have made the argument that Perestroika was the greatest threat the Soviet Union ever faced. And, in fact, it ended the Soviet Union, something Hitler failed to do.


I'm not sure what you're arguing, or where you're trying to go with this, but whatever it is, sure, OK.
 
2012-11-30 12:04:27 PM

mrshowrules: orlandomagik: Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.

We're they ever on the right side of any issue?


In what passes for their minds, they're right on every issue every time, without ever having to "study it out", and, in their opinion, that's why everything is wrong with the world now and getting worse.
 
2012-11-30 12:05:04 PM

MayoSlather: Philip Francis Queeg: Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.

You sound like you haven't ever spoken to a Republican.

Your everyday non-plutocrat Republican is quick to lend a helping hand to a neighbor. But don't be black, and don't be white trash.

The plutocrats however wouldn't dump a bucket of water on you if you were on fire. Just magine the hospital bills you'd have to pay from all those burns, and you aren't rich like them, which means you'd be suckling off the government teat. Better to let you die.


You should've used the standard "wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire." It expresses just that much more contempt.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:42 PM

mrshowrules: orlandomagik: Yeah, well you assholes were on the wrong side of history then, and you on the wrong side of history now.

We're they ever on the right side of any issue?


Yes. That's a little too hyperbolic for me to touch.
 
2012-11-30 12:08:50 PM

dittybopper: dittybopper: What a carpetbagger might look like.

Ignore this. The picture of Hillary Clinton campaigning as a senator in New York State was too big, and I'm too lazy to go look for another.


She is everyone's *favorite* carpetbagger, though.
 
2012-11-30 12:30:02 PM

FitzShivering: This is what happens when you lose elections because you were too busy coddling rich people who were going to vote for you anyway, Chuck.

Also doesn't help when you can't get your folks from making really, really, really stupid comments about rape.


For GOPers who don't have time to read lengthier, more introspective analyses of why voters kicked them to the curb.
 
2012-11-30 12:30:13 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.

Huh? The Transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, almost exactly 4 years after the end of the Confederacy.


Yeah, when that giant mechanized spider attacked the President!
 
2012-11-30 12:34:06 PM

Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.

Bloody conflicts are not the only way to change a nation into something new. One could have made the argument that Perestroika was the greatest threat the Soviet Union ever faced. And, in fact, it ended the Soviet Union, something Hitler failed to do.

I'm not sure what you're arguing, or where you're trying to go with this, but whatever it is, sure, OK.


The civil war was bad, but we were able to throw off the chains of slavery. The modern GOP no longer wants to do what is best for this nation and is willing to not only hold is hostage but allow great material harm to occur to it for the sake of protecting an incredibly small minority of its population. I'll agree they are different threats, but one was a battle of two groups that both fought for their beliefs and to structure things as they felt best secured their future and another is willing to throw away everything... so tax rates won't go up. At the very least you must agree the modern GOP is more sinister, and possibly indeed more evil.
 
2012-11-30 12:40:09 PM

Arkanaut: yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

I'm imagining Charles Krauthammer in a motorized wheelchair with a Confederate flag sticking out of it.


Boehner is already orange. They can just put a big 'ol 01 on his forehead and stick the Stars and Bars on his ass and jump him like the General Lee off the fiscal cliff.

/Tell me you wouldn't pay to see that!
 
2012-11-30 12:53:51 PM
What he said:

It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans.
There not only are no cuts in this, there's an increase in new spending with a stimulus - this is almost unheard of. I mean, what do they expect? They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.


Revisionist history for both the 1860s and 2010-2012. He's suggesting that the GOP didn't have the House prior to the election. What an idiot.
 
2012-11-30 12:58:01 PM

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Judah Benjamin was one of Jeff Davis's closest friends and held a variety of cabinet positions in the CSA.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:58 PM

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


At least he's not near.
 
2012-11-30 01:08:00 PM

mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense


none taken, and not far off. All the crazy shiat the birther tea party loons believe, she believes.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:50 PM
"A Rectal Shark Hummer" and "A Hammerer Harks Cult" are but two of the many anagrams for Charles Krauthammer.

/Would you like to know more?
 
2012-11-30 01:17:45 PM

brerjeff: mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense

none taken, and not far off. All the crazy shiat the birther tea party loons believe, she believes.


My mom calls me the day before every election and asks me who she should vote for. My dad was a Conservative but in the traditional reasonable sense.
 
2012-11-30 01:49:18 PM
I didn't know Chucky was a paraplegic. I guess it explains a lot. He's angry handicapped. Instead of seeing his disability as a challenge to overcome, he lets it fuel his bitterness and anger at the world.
 
2012-11-30 01:52:07 PM

mrshowrules: brerjeff: mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense

none taken, and not far off. All the crazy shiat the birther tea party loons believe, she believes.

My mom calls me the day before every election and asks me who she should vote for. My dad was a Conservative but in the traditional reasonable sense.


My mom used to be sane and reasonable until Clinton got elected. Ever since then she's gotten much more religious and much more angry about evil Democrats destroying everything that is good. Add in a touch of racism and you've got "Obama is the anti-Christ". My dad is former military so he is pro-republican but mostly apolitical (and a little racist). I used to be a ditto head until Bush was elected and sent us to war 2x, plus a host of other things I discovered about the GOP. That woke me up, it's hard to imagine I was ever such a supporter of any political party.
 
2012-11-30 02:08:30 PM

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!



That was totally inappropriate!

/snicker.
 
2012-11-30 02:15:21 PM
You know you just got your ass kicked when the best argument you can think up is that it wasn't a very big margin of loss.
 
2012-11-30 02:18:12 PM
South didn't actually `lose' (no more direct ownership, it's true) they simply slipped into comfortable `reconciliation' that didn't formerly end until the Voting Rights Act was passed.

The Southern Dems, of a certain stripe (snake handling ability), lined up behind Wallace (nearly threw the `68 election into the House). Nixon did everything he could to wrest this demographic away from George and sweep them into the Repub. fold (google Nixon: Alabama Project - Wallace always believed Nixon was behind his assassination attempt - had good reason considering the antecedents).

At this long remove you'd think the dead would lie still...

/exorcism? how does that work?
 
2012-11-30 02:22:10 PM
Subby- He didn't say "we." If you read the article you linked, CK says "Robert E. Lee" got a better deal.

It may not seem like a big deal but as you wrote it, it was perplexingly off base. After all, the Republicans won the Civil war and dictated terms to the Democrats who lost the war. Since Krauthammer is a Republican, it would be odd for him to say "we" when mentioning the defeated Democrat slave owners.
 
2012-11-30 02:45:18 PM

Leeds: Subby- He didn't say "we." If you read the article you linked, CK says "Robert E. Lee" got a better deal.

It may not seem like a big deal but as you wrote it, it was perplexingly off base. After all, the Republicans won the Civil war and dictated terms to the Democrats who lost the war. Since Krauthammer is a Republican, it would be odd for him to say "we" when mentioning the defeated Democrat slave owners.



I lol'd.
 
2012-11-30 02:53:56 PM
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

Looks like sour krauthammer to me...
 
2012-11-30 03:06:13 PM

jso2897: We'll give you a better deal next time, assholes.
[i18.photobucket.com image 399x408]


Just give me the button. I can channel a mean Sherman.
 
2012-11-30 03:18:37 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!

The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?


Were you talking to me, or did you not reply to the incorrect person? In case you were talking to me, Mr. vernonFL often misrepresents an argument to gain attention. We like to call that trolling. All, in good fun for most folks. I however was mocking that current economic issues that are maybe not quite as bad as hatred for groups of people or maybe not quite as bad as dropping a bomb on civilians in order to end a war. These are horrific events in history in their own right and maybe we shouldn't compare our very manageable situation to those events, you know because it's disrespectful to those who suffer.
 
2012-11-30 03:32:21 PM
"It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House. Republicans won the House. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that's what the administration is asking of Republicans."

You idiot the Democrats did not have control of the house prior to the election so they would not have been able to hold it and the republicans held the house and lost a few seats if i recall correctly.

Get your facts right.
 
2012-11-30 03:39:36 PM
Not to detract from the stupidity of Krauthammer at comparing the two situations, but he didn't really refer to the Confederacy as "we."

Once again, the Repubs say enough stupid shiat to last a lifetime, you don't need to put words in their mouths.
 
2012-11-30 04:02:18 PM

jaytkay: Nobody is serious about the deficit if they don't call for massive cuts to the Pentagon budget.

The Republicans are serious about wrecking the lives of the 99.9998% in order to shovel money into bank accounts of the 0.0002%.


/FT4Y.
//And that's assuming that over 100 million (or a third of all) Americans don′t count at all.
 
2012-11-30 04:03:41 PM

Urk! Fark threw this away the first time. It goes with my previous post:

www.theglobalfczone.com
 
2012-11-30 04:06:58 PM

King Something: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Sherman also erred, by leaving any traitors to send to the gallows in the first place.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 04:16:18 PM
But I thought they were the Party of Lincoln?

/sarc
 
2012-11-30 04:33:00 PM

TV's Vinnie: [www.wnd.com image 320x240]
Please. Someone please take one look at Krauthammer's "face" and try telling me that he's a human!

It's like what a demon or hostile alien intent on destroying Humanity would wear as a rubber mask over it's real head.


does his belly rumble loudly? does he excuse himself often that he hasn't had anything to eat yet?
is he planning on building a nuclear reactor in the middle of Cardiff B'more?
 
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