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2012-11-30 10:06:30 AM  

sprawl15: Rich Cream: If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?

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So I shouldn't imagine ourselves on the top of the cliff but the bottom? And it's too steep to deal with? Ahhhh sooooo.

/then everyone should stop saying "going over" the cliff if we're going up it.
//how can we expect to have a rational conversation about something when the words we use to describe it aren't accurate?
 
2012-11-30 10:06:51 AM  
mshades.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-30 10:07:15 AM  

mainstreet62: Is Krauthammer's face sculpted from dry feces?


Charles Krauthammer would make a great Christopher Pike if "Star Trek" ever re-did "The Menagerie."
 
2012-11-30 10:07:15 AM  
As opposed to Boehner's offer of only closing unspecified loopholes and removing a few deductions?
 
2012-11-30 10:08:28 AM  
Star Wars fans got a better deal with "Episode 1: The Phantom Menace"
 
2012-11-30 10:10:00 AM  

Rich Cream: So I shouldn't imagine ourselves on the top of the cliff but the bottom? And it's too steep to deal with? Ahhhh sooooo.

/then everyone should stop saying "going over" the cliff if we're going up it.


If we go over the cliff, then we'd fall off it. But as we approach it, we'll run into it, because it's going up.
 
2012-11-30 10:10:37 AM  
We'll give you a better deal next time, assholes.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 10:11:03 AM  
Considering that they should have all eaten bullets, the south got an amazing deal.
 
2012-11-30 10:15:13 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Since WW2, there has been no meaningful cultural, economic, or transportation barrier between the northern and southern US.


you sound comfortably white.
 
2012-11-30 10:16:05 AM  
OK, not to piss in the shoot em all pool party here, but the south definitely should secede again, and just be allowed to ho.
 
2012-11-30 10:18:25 AM  

you have pee hands: theknuckler_33: There is supposed to be roughly similar constituent-to-representative ratios. The solution is not to draw more nutty looking districts, but to make more districts in highly populated areas and larger (ie. fewer) districts in the rural areas. This is actually how it is, but suburban districts are the ones that are drawn funny to extend out to more rural areas to tip the scales towards the GOP.

Take a look at my district in Pa (6th congressional district). Notice how it outlines, but excludes all of Norristown and has an arm that extends up towards the Lehigh valley. Holy farking Christ!

There already are more districts in higher populated areas balanced by population. Wikipedia has the populations of each district as of the 2000 census, and they're all quite similar (excepting small states on one side or the other of the line between 1 & 2 representatives). PA District 5 is geographically probably 20% of the state, but still has the same ~650,000 people as districts 1 & 2, which are both almost entirely in Philadelphia. If the democratic candidates win districts 1&2 by votes of 80-20 or 85-15, that's a margin of several hundred thousand votes but it's still only two districts, while central PA leans republican but not as heavily.

The 6th probably should trade some land with the 7th & 15th, though. It's ugly.


Yea, I acknowledged that there are more districts in higher populated areas. The person I was replying to wondered if rural districts should have a 'finger' that extends into Philly/urban areas to make them more fair or Democratic or whatever. I was just pointing out that it is exactly the opposite of what is happening... my district would have leaned blue, but by excluding Norristown and including ares of Berks county, it tips red now.

I'm not sure which district they should 'trade land' with, but drawing suburban districts in this way is pathetic. There really shouldn't be any line-of-sight between two parts of the district that cross over area from another district... or at least as close as is possible to something like that. The 6th in Pa is a farking joke.
 
2012-11-30 10:19:33 AM  

The last four years.....

First
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... then ...

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... then ... etc..


so fark YOU, GOP!! That's the best deal you farking assholes should get!
 
2012-11-30 10:21:45 AM  

theknuckler_33: Yea, I acknowledged that there are more districts in higher populated areas. The person I was replying to wondered if rural districts should have a 'finger' that extends into Philly/urban areas to make them more fair or Democratic or whatever. I was just pointing out that it is exactly the opposite of what is happening... my district would have leaned blue, but by excluding Norristown and including ares of Berks county, it tips red now.


The question really should really start with "Why do we have districts?"

Is it to ensure that if 40% of the people vote one way and 60% of the people vote the other way, that they are properly proportionally represented? If not, then proportional representation is largely irrelevant as an argument. One could easily make the argument that it is irrelevant for the same reason a lot of our government is broken up by design - districts allow regions to have a minimal amount of voting power. In the latter case, a 'finger' of urban area in a largely rural district undermines the purpose, while in the former that would be the ideal solution.
 
2012-11-30 10:22:02 AM  

incendi: badhatharry: You should really dial that shiat back.

For once, BHH is right about something.


Well, now that pigs can fly, I hope they can control their bowels better than pigeons.
 
2012-11-30 10:22:27 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I'm also going with "who the fark is 'we', jackass?"

Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete. The last person with any historical ties to it whatsoever (reconstruction) would have died before we dropped a particularly historical bomb on Japan.

Since WW2, there has been no meaningful cultural, economic, or transportation barrier between the northern and southern US. Or at least none based around the civil war, we did arbitrarily manufacture some new ones based on demography before economic intergrowth killed those too and made it so basically no one cares.

Basically, at this point the most dyed-in-the-wool southerner has no greater cultural claim to Lee than a seventh generation Pennsylvania Quaker.


24.media.tumblr.com

from FkYeahHistoryCrushes:
Jonathan Myrick Daniels (March 20, 1934-Aug 20, 1965)

Born in Keene, NH Jonathan was a student at Episcopal Theological Seminary when he answered Dr. Martin Luther King's call to ministers and clergy from the North to come to Selma, AL to march with him to the state capitol of Montgomery.

Jonathan came to Selma and then decided to stay longer to continue to fight against racial discrimination. He returned home only to tell the Episcopal Church that he would continue his studies in Selma for the rest of the semester.

On that fateful day, he and 29 other protesters were picketing a 'whites only' establishment when they were arrested. After being released, an angry southerner pulled out his shotgun and attempted to shoot a young black teenage girl that was with the protesters and Jonathan pushed her out of the way and took the shot that was meant for her. He died instantly.

Jonathan's death shocked many whites and caused them to face the truth of racial injustice in the south.
Many were galvanized into action, including the Episcopal Church. Jonathan was declared a martyr in 1991 by the Episcopal Church and August 14 was declared a day of remembrance in his honor. His sacrifice was pivotal in the fight for civil rights in the south.

Jonathan was only 26 years old when he was murdered. He was young, he was brave and he was a man that stood on his convictions; something in itself that makes him a hot history crush!


Obviously the websites' date of his death is off. Here's an Episcopalian site's info on him:

www.allianceforchristianmedia.org

along with an hour long free movie.

/Are Episcopalian martyrs the same as Catholic saints?
 
2012-11-30 10:23:52 AM  
For some reason, when the public has to choose between "Tax increase on the rich" or "Deep spending cuts but we're not gonna tell you what we're cutting cause you'll get mad" they decide they'd rather increase taxes on the rich.
 
2012-11-30 10:27:26 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.


Turning Lee's front lawn into the national graveyard was a good touch I think.
 
2012-11-30 10:27:44 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Considering that they should have all eaten bullets, the south got an amazing deal.

 
2012-11-30 10:31:45 AM  
So I was pissed last night when I heard John Boner complaining that the president wasn't willing to work with him because he wasn't willing to stop looking for increased tax rates on the rich.
Then I heard a breakdown of who those "small business owners" really are:

I HIGHLY recommend you read this for yourself, first, but I'll summarize some of it:
small business owner breakdown

Last year, there were some analysts at the Treasury Department who tried to take a closer look at how many top earners really meet the public's idea of a small business. So they threw out all those who were making more than $10 million. At the other end, they threw out people who might have a big salary from a day job and then a little small business on the side.

And when they narrowed the definition that way, what they found was about one in five taxpayers in those top two brackets is a small business owner. And of all the income in those brackets that would be taxed at a higher rate, only about 7 percent comes from small businesses.

BLOCK: And small businesses, again, defined as those making up to $10 million.

HORSLEY: That's right.

BLOCK: OK. Now, part of this focus on small business, Scott, is because that's supposed to be where a lot of jobs are created. This is another thing that Republicans say time and time again.

HORSLEY: That's right. You aren't going to get a lot of traction just by defending small businesses per se. But when start talking, saying raising tax rates would cost jobs, then the public starts to pay attention. And that's why in Republican lingo wealthy people are invariably described as job creators.

However, the Congressional Budget Office, when they looked at what the job affect of raising those taxes would be, they found it'd really be pretty tiny, about 200,000 jobs over the course of a decade. Now, that sounds like kind of a lot, but it's only about as many jobs as we've been adding in one or two months. So it's a fairly small effect we're talking about.


These assholes keep claiming that raising tax rates will stop job growth, and it turns out to be a months worth of jobs over a decade.

so truthfully, they are throwing an epic, nation and fiscal destroying temper tantrum so that the ultra rich won't pay a little bit more in taxes. All the while they want to hit the poor and middle class ten times harder than the democrats would ever even consider hitting the rich.

These chuckle farks are going to try to destroy us all to protect the income of the top 1/5 of 1% of Americans and are lying about how much damage it will do the whole way.

fark these guys
 
2012-11-30 10:35:15 AM  
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2012-11-30 10:35:33 AM  
yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.

Well, those slave owners would have needed someone to rape.

Yukkkkkkkko!
If I was a slaveowner, I'd rather schtup the chimpanzie victim lady then the ferociously ugly scarry faced Krautheimer.
 
2012-11-30 10:35:37 AM  

somedude210: well at least he admits he's a racist douchenozzle that want to destroy this country


and a least he admits they lost the war unlike many people I come across in the south.
 
2012-11-30 10:36:40 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: These chuckle farks are going to try to destroy us all to protect the income of the top 1/5 of 1% of Americans and are lying about how much damage it will do the whole way.

fark these guys



Step 1: Weaken banking regulations, leading to wild speculation, a crash, and a recession, costing middle class jobs.
Step 2: Openly argue for eliminating the mortgage deduction.
Step 3: Win ALL of the elections.

If you can find a way to slip in, "Corporations are sitting on the largest pile of money in history to punish America for voting for the black man", be my guest.
 
2012-11-30 10:42:18 AM  

vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.


i78.photobucket.com

Clifford Worley got a better deal with Vincenzo "Vincent" Coccotti.
 
2012-11-30 10:43:18 AM  

vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.


Nookular hyperbole!!!!!
 
2012-11-30 10:43:20 AM  

Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.


Let me help you understand. If the GOP wants a compromise, they have to present a plan stating what it is that they want. Then both sides need to relinquish some ground so that a compromise can be reached.

If the GOP has no plan, then there can be no compromise, or would you prefer whining about something being rammed down your throat?
 
2012-11-30 10:47:34 AM  

born_yesterday: Uchiha_Cycliste: These chuckle farks are going to try to destroy us all to protect the income of the top 1/5 of 1% of Americans and are lying about how much damage it will do the whole way.

fark these guys


Step 1: Weaken banking regulations, leading to wild speculation, a crash, and a recession, costing middle class jobs.
Step 2: Openly argue for eliminating the mortgage deduction.
Step 3: Win ALL of the elections.

If you can find a way to slip in, "Corporations are sitting on the largest pile of money in history to punish America for voting for the black man", be my guest.


They want to raise taxes on the poor.
They want to hurt entitlements all the while bastardizing the definition of entitlement to include anyone (poor) who gets money from the government.
They want to give more money to the military*
They want to raise taxes on the middle class
They want to make sure the rich DON'T have their taxes raised

These are the goals they have explicitly stated they are working towards for this fiscal cliff nonsense. They are rejecting out of hand anything the whitehouse tries and then they biatch that Obama is the one who is not serious and they are the ones willing to compromise. It's unbearable. Even more so because none of the media is taking them to task on the bullshiat.

\* it makes sense when you consider more military money means giving that money to the people that own defense companies and what have you, essentially shifting the money from tax payers to providers of military HW.
 
2012-11-30 10:48:19 AM  
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2012-11-30 10:48:37 AM  

Graffito: Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.

Let me help you understand. If the GOP wants a compromise, they have to present a plan stating what it is that they want. Then both sides need to relinquish some ground so that a compromise can be reached.

If the GOP has no plan, then there can be no compromise, or would you prefer whining about something being rammed down your throat?


In all fairness, I've never seen Buffalo77 ever whine about that.
 
2012-11-30 10:50:30 AM  
The southern asswipe who killed Jonathan Daniels and attempted to kill his white interfaith friend in Christ, Father Richard Morrisroe, when they got in the way of his killing the two black women he was aiming for:

www.episcopalarchives.org

More on Coleman:

... In the parlance of the times, Mr. Daniels was an outside agitator and to many of the white people of Lowndes County, where black people outnumbered white residents 4-to-1 and were kept in line by constant intimidation, that meant he was fair game, as was the Rev. Richard Morrisroe, a Roman Catholic priest ...

...Mr. Coleman, an engineer for the highway department and a member of one of the county's oldest families, was at the courthouse when Mr. Daniels, Father Morrisroe and more than 20 black companions were released from the Lowndes County jail, where they had been held on vague charges after a demonstration.

As members of the group recounted it, they were suspicious of the circumstances of their sudden release. While a young man sought a phone to call friends to pick them up, some of the others moved off toward a little store a few blocks away to buy sodas.

As the two white men and two black young women neared the store, witnesses said, Mr. Coleman, an unpaid special deputy sheriff with a pistol at his side and a 12-gauge shotgun in his arms, barred the way, telling them the store was closed and cursing the young women.

Then, as he aimed the shotgun at one of the young women and began to pull the trigger, she and other witnesses said, Mr. Daniels pushed the young women to the ground and used his body as a shield just as the gun went off, nearly tearing his body in two. A second blast struck Father Morrisroe in the back.

.... Over the years, Mr. Coleman continued to play dominoes at the courthouse, but his cronies made a point not to discuss the events of 1965, his sister, Hulde Coleman, said.
 

/fk Krauthammer, the South needed an ass whipping, not kid's gloves
 
2012-11-30 10:52:39 AM  

Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.


On a personal level, how'd that work out for him?


/Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?
 
2012-11-30 10:55:27 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Some guy who isn't smart enough to check if there's water in the pool before he dives in has an opinion on something. Now, ask me if I care.

 
2012-11-30 10:55:30 AM  

bigheadface: Both sides recognize that military spending AND entitlement spending are way out of hand.


Then why did Romney promise to increases military spending? And how in god's name is entitlement spending out of hand? Not enough poor, starving and sick people?
 
2012-11-30 10:56:19 AM  

Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]


Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.
 
2012-11-30 10:57:37 AM  

Richard Freckle: vernonFL: The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.

Nookular hyperbole!!!!!


The Japanese were a case of 'don't start none, won't be none'. The US was all perfectly fine to officially sit back like cowards and let the rest of the world burn while raking in the profits, not our concern. Then Japan shot its wad early. Oh, hell no.

the Kristallnacht one means the Jews had a hand in started shiat after all? or just a dig on Krauthammer ethnic jewishness?
 
2012-11-30 10:59:45 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.


you disagree?

how?
 
2012-11-30 11:01:48 AM  
Charles Krauthammer: "We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

You are still revolting.
 
2012-11-30 11:06:05 AM  

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!


that's just awful.
 
2012-11-30 11:06:18 AM  

badhatharry: Dimensio: badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?

Your claim is interesting, but it might be more credible were it not issued by an unrepentant liar.

Give it a rest, Alinsky.


You know what cracks me up? Constant cries of "ALINSKI!!1!" from slackjawed mouthbreathers who have not only never read anything he wrote, but had never even heard of him until the propaganda arm of the Republican party turned him into a boogeyman a few years ago.
 
2012-11-30 11:06:18 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?


Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:07 AM  
The repubs made a ridiculous, bad faith opening offer and then get upset when Obama responds with a ridiculous, bad faith opening offer? Color me surprised. Now that both sides have swung their dicks around and established their bad ass creds, how about getting to work and getting something accomplished?
 
2012-11-30 11:08:20 AM  

FitzShivering: Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.

They saw Lincoln and decided his voice wasn't manly enough, so they've switched sides.

/that really was the big complaint I know from my right-leaning friends who have seen it


You know, I'm pretty sure the GOP is convinced that wandering spirits can steal your gender at any point in time unless you form a magical shield by farking an exotic dancer while sacrificing raw steak to a motorcycle.
 
2012-11-30 11:09:54 AM  

NathanJ37: Charles Krauthammer won't stand for this!!!!

 

www.myfacewhen.net
 
2012-11-30 11:10:47 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.


One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.
 
2012-11-30 11:12:56 AM  

vygramul: Anti_illuminati: Uchiha_Cycliste: Anti_illuminati: Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 640x256]

Ummmm... sure. Whatever you say.

you disagree?

how?

Yes.

I would say the Civil War was the worst threat the US has ever faced.

There's no need for this ridiculous hyperbole.

One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.


When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.
 
2012-11-30 11:15:39 AM  

Anti_illuminati:
One could argue that the 1860 Democratic Party was the worst threat the US had ever faced, but it is now superceded by the modern Republican Party.

When we get into a violent conflict where Americans and shedding American blood, I'll be right there to agree with you.


Hell, I'll do one better. When the Republican party stance is to openly call for the secession of the Red States (AKA South) through war, then I'll agree with you.
 
2012-11-30 11:16:38 AM  
Are we not allowing them to keep their horses?

www.mikecornelison.com
 
2012-11-30 11:21:07 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


Yeah I guess you will be surprised to find that sequestering and tax increase are a good thing, just not in the short run. Sorry douch nozzle, but you are hearing the biased media and Republicans whine about it. Take a look at what President Obama is proposing and you'll see that his opening position is all the programs he wants. Sure if no compromise or modification is reached the fiscal cliff will suck for the years 2013-2023, but the US will be better for it.
 
2012-11-30 11:24:25 AM  

Rich Cream: If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?


It will be a drag on Gross Domestic Product (GDP). I.e. the way we measure how the economy grows. It may even turn into negative growth for the first two or three years, reducing job growth or even causing increased unemployment, lowered profits, and costing US citizens more in taxes.
 
2012-11-30 11:24:40 AM  
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