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2012-11-30 09:37:13 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


Account created: 2012-08-07 11:56:45

Which Fark Liberals?
 
2012-11-30 09:37:27 AM  

theknuckler_33: Take a look at my district in Pa (6th congressional district)


Hell, some of the State Senate and Assembly districts they drew up here in Wisconsin look like fractals. Some of the borders were apparently drawn a block or two away from where sitting Democratic legislators lived, just to fark them over
 
2012-11-30 09:37:44 AM  

keylock71: Weaver95: ...but all things considered the Dems have been pretty good about the whole thing. The GOP have taken the term 'sore loser' to new, never before seen depths of rage and despair.

Agreed. I'm still not a huge fan of democrats in general, but they understand how this process works and why it's important to find common ground with political rivals while still putting forward their agenda. They've taken over the sane, center right, while the GOP has become nothing more than a far right insurgent outlier.


the Republican pundits are screaming (again, in a weirdly coordinated manner) not to compromise with the Democrats. compromise is for the weak, the Democrats will screw you on the deal, the Democrats idea of compromise is to do everything they say..blah blah blah. the GOP pundits are literally reading off the same talking points sheet. like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right? but when all the big name GOP pundits repeat the same phrases for a week well...I start to wonder if they're getting their orders from somewhere. it wouldn't be a big deal if they were, I just like to see who's got their hand up Limbaugh's ass and is playing him like Kermit the frog.
 
2012-11-30 09:37:56 AM  
"They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away."

Please, proceed.
 
2012-11-30 09:39:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts.


There were plenty of people saying they wouldn't be touched because politicians would piss their pants and rewrite the rules before they let that happen. Not really the same thing, but there ya go.
 
2012-11-30 09:40:45 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.


Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link
 
2012-11-30 09:40:47 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary



That right there is demonstrably false.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:06 AM  

Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.


I recall stories we've discussed on fark where republican leaders had a meeting within 24 hours of Obama being elected in 2008. They hatched a plan to obstruct everything the president proposed. The result of that has been total obstruction including republican ideas. I know the original intent was to have the talking point that Obama can't run on his record in 2012, and we know that plan failed. I think they probably had a similar meeting after the election this year and came up with the same plan. I'm not sure what the goal is this time since Obama will not be running for re-election, and the risk is the voters get sick of it, and they lose badly in 2012. It could be they just don't have a plan or new ideas. They could also be so invested in that plan they simply cannot change course.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:27 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.


I've seen less whining than this at an emo show.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:52 AM  

phaseolus: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary


That right there is demonstrably false.


Well, duh. Outright lying is part of their game plan. It has been for years.

Why people continually show surprise or even note that GOP partisans are liars, is beyond me.
 
2012-11-30 09:42:00 AM  

El_Dan: Weaver95: They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.

They don't want to make a counter-offer because that would require negotiating, which is something they aren't really in to. So the only alternative is to make Obama bid against himself.

Economic consequences aside, going over the fiscal cliff would at least reveal how non-functional our government is.


of course they want to go over the edge. they think they can steer most of the blame to the Dems. these people are rich and don't need medicare or social security. and if they have to pay higher taxes so should everyone. but when their constituents lose their tax cuts, their govt supported jobs at the defense contractor and their social security/medicare get slashed they're going to blame the GOP for not passing this thing and giving up their tax cuts for the rich.
 
2012-11-30 09:43:07 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.


I guess lying on the internet is not quite as bad as child molestation or jaywalking.
 
2012-11-30 09:43:48 AM  

sammyk:
I recall stories we've discussed on fark where republican leaders had a meeting within 24 hours of Obama being elected in 2008. They hatched a plan to obstruct everything the president proposed. The result of that has been total obstruction including republican ideas. I know the original intent was to have the talking point that Obama can't run on his record in 2012, and we know that plan failed. I think they probably had a similar meeting after the election this year and came up with the same plan. I'm not sure what the goal is this time since Obama will not be running for re-election, and the risk is the voters get sick of it, and they lose badly in 2012. It could be they just don't have a plan or new ideas. They could also be so invested in that plan they simply cannot change course.


well...Limbaugh did take an unscheduled two day break last week. I wonder if they're was some sort of high level meeting?
 
2012-11-30 09:45:19 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.

Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link


Medicaid you mean. Know the difference? (the idiots linked article shows medicare as one of the cuts....wow)
 
2012-11-30 09:45:43 AM  
Quote in headline: We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War

Actual quote in article: Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War

Farktards who did not read the article: ZOMG, treason and racism!

Well played, Trollmitter, well played.
 
2012-11-30 09:46:22 AM  

Buffalo77: You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.


CK? OMG, sounds like he's your BFF.

xspblog.com
 
2012-11-30 09:46:29 AM  

Weaver95: sammyk:
I recall stories we've discussed on fark where republican leaders had a meeting within 24 hours of Obama being elected in 2008. They hatched a plan to obstruct everything the president proposed. The result of that has been total obstruction including republican ideas. I know the original intent was to have the talking point that Obama can't run on his record in 2012, and we know that plan failed. I think they probably had a similar meeting after the election this year and came up with the same plan. I'm not sure what the goal is this time since Obama will not be running for re-election, and the risk is the voters get sick of it, and they lose badly in 2012. It could be they just don't have a plan or new ideas. They could also be so invested in that plan they simply cannot change course.

well...Limbaugh did take an unscheduled two day break last week. I wonder if they're was some sort of high level meeting?


Well, if blackouts count as meetings now...
 
2012-11-30 09:46:41 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.


You sound like you haven't met many Americans.
 
2012-11-30 09:47:50 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Philip Francis Queeg: Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.

You sound like you haven't met many Americans.


You're both right.
 
2012-11-30 09:49:29 AM  
Charles Krauthammer?

i78.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 09:49:30 AM  
If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?
 
2012-11-30 09:49:52 AM  
The South: always with its hand out
 
2012-11-30 09:49:54 AM  
The Jews got a better deal on Kristallnacht.

The Japanese got a better deal with Hiroshima.
 
2012-11-30 09:50:15 AM  

badhatharry: Macular Degenerate: Awesome, so hopefully the death toll will be just as large. Personally, I believe the best thing for this country would be to take 750,000 wingnut conservatives out behind the barn with a shotgun. The executions start tonight.

You should really dial that shiat back.


I think this is where he wants to begin negotiations.
 
2012-11-30 09:50:59 AM  
 
2012-11-30 09:51:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.

Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.


What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion? Executing Davis and the other leaders may have 'taught them a lesson', but it is just as likely to have incited further violence.

The North's humiliation of the rebels with 12 years of Reconstruction was vengeance enough for all but the most barbaric.
 
2012-11-30 09:51:55 AM  
So self righteous in the video. The grand irony is they consistently play this victimized sanguine hero role in the face of evil liberals when what they're arguing for is supporting the current state of plutocracy. However Fox News viewers eat it up, as if he is on their side.
 
2012-11-30 09:52:31 AM  

graggor: Zeb Hesselgresser: Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.

Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link

Medicaid you mean. Know the difference? (the idiots linked article shows medicare as one of the cuts....wow)


You can't trust The Washington Post? Who knew.
 
2012-11-30 09:52:46 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: These guys disagree.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 344x448]


What is that shiat, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?
 
2012-11-30 09:54:12 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Lucky LaRue: Philip Francis Queeg: Not hanging a few of the traitors after the Civil War was a terrible mistake.

Right, because there weren't enough dead Americans at the end of the war. A few hung rebels would have made all the difference.

Jackass.

Those Americans were dead solely because of the acts of the traitors. Jefferson Davis and the other rebel conspirators should have paid a price for their crimes. Perhaps then the South would have understood that they lost.

What makes you think the South didn't understand that they were part of a failed rebellion? Executing Davis and the other leaders may have 'taught them a lesson', but it is just as likely to have incited further violence.

The North's humiliation of the rebels with 12 years of Reconstruction was vengeance enough for all but the most barbaric.


It should also be noted that Lincoln was appalled at the notion of revenge on the South in the aftermath of the war. Apart from reconciliation, he intended to lay no terms on the southern states.

His death, of course, changed all that. It was the vengeful Congress and northern leaders that pushed through Reconstruction and its draconian laws and restrictions on the reconquered states.
 
2012-11-30 09:55:43 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: graggor: Zeb Hesselgresser: Hobodeluxe: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

citation needed

I don't recall anyone here saying entitlements wouldn't be touched by the automatic cuts. it was clear to everyone they would be.

Some social programs yes, Social Security not at all and Medicare, not so much.

Link

Medicaid you mean. Know the difference? (the idiots linked article shows medicare as one of the cuts....wow)

You can't trust The Washington Post? Who knew.


The article you linked to said Medicare was one of the cuts but Medicaid was not one.

Get it?
 
2012-11-30 09:57:17 AM  
Is Krauthammer's face sculpted from dry feces?
 
2012-11-30 09:57:29 AM  
Also the non-defense mandatory funding....thats welfare for people who didnt know in the real world.
 
2012-11-30 09:57:30 AM  

Weaver95: the Republican pundits are screaming (again, in a weirdly coordinated manner) not to compromise with the Democrats. compromise is for the weak, the Democrats will screw you on the deal, the Democrats idea of compromise is to do everything they say..blah blah blah. the GOP pundits are literally reading off the same talking points sheet. like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right? but when all the big name GOP pundits repeat the same phrases for a week well...I start to wonder if they're getting their orders from somewhere. it wouldn't be a big deal if they were, I just like to see who's got their hand up Limbaugh's ass and is playing him like Kermit the frog.


As always... Follow the money. 'Course, that's not always easy to do.
 
2012-11-30 09:58:15 AM  
He and the rest of the GOP are traitors to this country plain and simple. They need to be weeded out and shot\hung. They are a threat to this nation and need to be eradicated ASAP.

These comments by this cocksucking turncoat are only the tip of the iceberg, but they are glaring insight to how they think and what they want.
 
2012-11-30 09:58:53 AM  

Weaver95: the Republican pundits are screaming (again, in a weirdly coordinated manner) not to compromise with the Democrats. ... the GOP pundits are literally reading off the same talking points sheet. like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right? but when all the big name GOP pundits repeat the same phrases for a week well...I start to wonder if they're getting their orders from somewhere. it wouldn't be a big deal if they were, I just like to see who's got their hand up Limbaugh's ass and is playing him like Kermit the frog.



That's been going on for decades, and really coalesced in the early-mid 90s around the time that Limbaugh had his biggest triumphs. (Remember that before 1992 he was an independent conservative voice, and that all stopped the day George H.W. Bush invited him for a sleepover.)

Twelve years ago the common wisdom was that this was all coordinated somewhere in the RNC with weekly message meetings every Wednesday morning followed by "Blast Faxes" with the week's talking points sent to all their media apparatchiks.. My best guess is we won't know the definitive answer to your question until the disgruntled insider tell-all books come out a few months after the Final Republican Crackup.

I can't wait for those; lots of us have been wondering about the answer to your question for a long time...
 
2012-11-30 09:59:04 AM  

Endrick: Wait, the GOP has been telling me for the last few years that they were the party of Lincoln.
Lincoln won the civil war.


Came here to say this. So... this.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:23 AM  

keylock71:
As always... Follow the money. 'Course, that's not always easy to do.


well...limbaugh and beck are owned by clear channel.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:25 AM  

Hobodeluxe: The GOP are holding tax cuts on the first 250k of income hostage and are willing to crash the economy and hurt everyone to keep their tax cuts for the wealthy intact.


Its not just about tax cuts for the wealthy. They lied for three years telling us that the Bush economy was the result of Obama's PROPOSED taxes on the rich. They told us that these "job creators" who were being taxed at historically low levels couldn't create jobs because MAYBE Obama was going to raise taxes and make them pay for their employee's healthcare. Now that the lie has been rejected by a majority of the country, they're caught in between keeping their derpy constituents happy and joining the real world in honest debate about tax reform. Some of them have decided to keep up the lie. Its hard for them to now say, hey maybe some revenue isn't such a bad idea, when they've been calling people who want more taxes 'Socialist' for three years.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:34 AM  

evilmrsock: Rev. Skarekroe: These guys disagree.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 344x448]

What is that shiat, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-30 10:00:44 AM  

Rich Cream: If everything is increasing why is it called a "cliff"?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 10:01:09 AM  

NateGrey: Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems. They voted accordingly.

I was told by Fark Liberals that letting the sequester happen would be a good thing; taxes go up, automatic spending cuts, not touching entitlements, the majority of which are to the defense budget, are automatic, and most everyone will blame the Republicans for the consequences making the 2014 elections a Democrat landslide.

Imagine my surprise to find out neither of these things is true.

Account created: 2012-08-07 11:56:45

Which Fark Liberals?


New game: Match the new account to the old account that disappeared after November 6th.
 
2012-11-30 10:02:13 AM  

mainstreet62: Is Krauthammer's face sculpted from dry feces?


No. It's not "sculpted" at all.
 
2012-11-30 10:02:33 AM  

graggor: Actually Obama is above Romney now by 4.5 million votes with votes still to be counted. He will end up with a 5 million vote lead in all likelihood.

His percentage lead is currently 50.90 to 47.36.

4% point lead with an almost 5 million vote advantage.

The last Republican to win by over 5 million votes in the popular vote was in 1988 over 24 years ago.

Since then Democrats have either lost by winning the popular vote or losing by about 3 million. Democrats meanwhile have won by totals of 8 million votes, 5 million votes, 10 million votes and this term almost 5 million votes (with a slow economy, high unemployment and a black man named barack hussein obama....)

Wow the GOP sucks.


Someone else pointed out in another thread that the Republicans have won the popular vote in only one of the last six presidential elections.

I'd like to add to that the fact that their one PV victory in the last 6 elections was not without the appearance of fraud. The very fact that there's any question as to whether or not there should be an asterisk added to the results of that election is itself an asterisk.

And to further hammer home the original point, both elections since 2004* have had a black guy named Hussein winning by a larger popular vote margin and a much, MUCH larger electoral vote margin than Bush* did in the 2004 election*.
 
2012-11-30 10:04:31 AM  

evilmrsock: Rev. Skarekroe: These guys disagree.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 344x448]

What is that shiat, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?


Early Klansmen.
 
2012-11-30 10:04:35 AM  
Could we please refer to him in future as "Fatuous wheeled gasbag Charles Krauthammer"?
 
2012-11-30 10:05:44 AM  

Weaver95: like I said, this is all very coordinated. my question is...who's doing all this coordinating? sounds vaguely conspiracy theory-ish I know, right?


does it really count as a conspiracy when you can see their names on a spending report?
 
2012-11-30 10:05:52 AM  
Just my two cents. I've been thinking about this since the "fiscal cliff" agreement was announced. Both sides recognize that military spending AND entitlement spending are way out of hand. They struck this deal knowing full well that this "cliff" would come to pass. They both claimed that it was set up to make both sides come to the table to negotiate a deal, but in reality, they both wanted this fiscal cliff. Both sides can claim the other side is at fault (I'm not saying that both sides share equal blame, just saying that both sides will blame the other) but both sides end up getting something that they wanted without having to admit that they wanted it. We go through a few years of lower economic growth, perhaps some recession thrown in as well, but we come out on the other side stronger, with less spending on things we can't really afford. We also get back to non-deficit spending and finally get our country out of debt.
Both sides can continue playing partisan politics, while simultaneously actually getting things done that the country really does need. No one opens themselves up to personal attacks when it comes time for their party nominations.

Sorry if it's a bit jumble, this is the first time I've actually written this all out, and I may have missed a few points.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:03 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: America was told by Obama, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC .. et al, that entitlement reform wasn't necessary, that "asking the wealthy to pay a little more" would fix our problems.


Please don't give people like this a hard time for their beliefs. Living in an echo chamber and totally writing off huge segments of the media is part of the reason that republicans lose elections.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:12 AM  

yeegrek: DNRTFA, in case that wasn't obvious. Based my response on the headline.


I liked it :-)
 
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