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2012-11-30 08:51:00 AM
The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?
 
2012-11-30 08:51:09 AM
Republicans either have no farking idea how negotiations work, they are the most disingenuous douchebags ever, or both. When you constantly ask another side for their terms and they do, you don't respond with name calling. You put your terms on the table and then work towards common ground through compromise. From the Republican's response, either they have no idea how to negotiate or they are trying to rig it to where they can blame every unpopular decision made on the President

What Krauthamer needs to realize that as with the last election, like with the Civil War,his side lost. Man up and deal with it.

The scary part is it seems like they are so pissed about losing they want to take the whole country down with them. A certain WWII leader felt the same way. (Yes I went there.)
 
2012-11-30 08:52:11 AM
Where is the GOP plan?
 
2012-11-30 08:52:31 AM
Some guy who isn't smart enough to check if there's water in the pool before he dives in has an opinion on something. Now, ask me if I care.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:06 AM

Corvus: Where is the GOP plan?


Surely Paul Ryan has time to explain the math now, right?
 
2012-11-30 08:53:07 AM
A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:46 AM
You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:47 AM

dittybopper: dittybopper: What a carpetbagger might look like.

Ignore this. The picture of Hillary Clinton campaigning as a senator in New York State was too big, and I'm too lazy to go look for another.


Maybe you should try to find a smaller one of Michele Bachmann.
 
2012-11-30 08:54:11 AM
The Derp will rise again.
 
2012-11-30 08:54:29 AM

heavymetal: Republicans either have no farking idea how negotiations work, they are the most disingenuous douchebags ever, or both.


I'm going with "both" on this one.
 
2012-11-30 08:55:47 AM

theknuckler_33: I love this "they barely won" narrative the right is pushing considering the results of 2000 and 2004.


Fortunately, the president recognizes this line is bullshiat and is finally acting like it.

However, the dems need to not lose focus and let the republicans reenact 2010 in 2014. If that happens, they're gonna tear down everything that's been accomplished since H.W. Bush, just out of spite.
 
2012-11-30 08:56:26 AM

badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?


Your claim is interesting, but it might be more credible were it not issued by an unrepentant liar.
 
2012-11-30 08:56:27 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.

Huh? The Transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, almost exactly 4 years after the end of the Confederacy.


Right, my bad. Before US Steel, then.
 
2012-11-30 08:56:39 AM

brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.


As I picture your mom.

ct.fra.bz

/no offense
 
2012-11-30 08:56:43 AM
"We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

"We"? Speak for yourself, Charlie. My side won that war. And we were obviously too easy on the losers.
 
2012-11-30 08:57:08 AM

Buffalo77: You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.


Not a misquote in a FARK headline! Oh noes! The end is nigh! Where's my fainting couch?
 
2012-11-30 08:57:36 AM
Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.
 
2012-11-30 08:57:42 AM

Buffalo77: Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.


Wheelie CK?
 
2012-11-30 08:57:45 AM

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


Anyone named Judah P. Benjamin isn't going to be anything but Jewish.

/Krauthammer is an ass
 
2012-11-30 08:58:09 AM
So what is the republican purposal?
 
2012-11-30 08:58:33 AM

Dimensio: badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?

Your claim is interesting, but it might be more credible were it not issued by an unrepentant liar.


Give it a rest, Alinsky.
 
2012-11-30 08:59:14 AM
Well, that's the thing now, isn't it?

We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another

That's our cross to bear.

However the military is unlikely to put together a bake sale to try and make up the difference in the spending cuts.

And in the end if it happens who is going to get blamed? Obama? The guy who conceded and compromised or the groups that consistently stood for the wealthiest?

Honestly, 2012 was an election. You do this and 2014 and 2016 are going to shape up to be a shiat-beating that will make Dukakis look like he was a contender.
 
2012-11-30 08:59:26 AM

yeegrek: Who's "we", homeboy?

Because a New York born, Quebec and Boston educated, physically handicapped Jewish man would have been sooooooo welcome in the Confederacy.


I think all conservatives pine for the confederacy now,which shows how far to the right they've marched.
 
2012-11-30 08:59:57 AM
They didn't win the House. They gerrymandered the fark out of their districts to retain it.
 
2012-11-30 09:00:50 AM

badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want.


Kinda like demanding zero new revenues? Sine the Democrats know that the Republicans are going to start from a position of zero compromise, they are starting from a similar position...'give us everything we want' and see how that 'no compromise' thing works out.

Because the Democrats tried the compromise thing earlier last year when we get Boehner 98% of what he wanted and the GOP STILL would not compromise a lousy 2%. Everybody remembers that and THAT is why the GOP will be blamed if there is no compromise this time around.
 
2012-11-30 09:01:44 AM
Fiscal Cliff: Obama's Revenge
 
2012-11-30 09:01:48 AM

Buffalo77: Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.


t3.gstatic.com

I'd accept an admission that Ryan didn't have a plan. He just thought voters were dumb enough to believe he did.
 
2012-11-30 09:01:50 AM

ghall3: "Republicans won the House" I hate how they keep falling back on this. It should be completely obvious to EVERYONE that this is because they rigged it. The Dems won 50.2% of the vote for the house compared with 49.7% for the GOP. Now this is not a huge margin but considering the GOP ended up with 51.4% of the seats compared with 44.8% for the Dems, something is wrong.

But of course the media will never call the GOP out on this when they bring it up because they have to be "fair and balanced".

We are farked


It's not exactly rigged. Everyone keeps calling this gerrymandering without looking at how exactly it happened. PA is a great example. The democrats took a majority of the votes but only 6/18 house seats - because they won by giant majorities in Philadelphia and lost by slimmer margins across most of the rest of the state. Should every district have a long tendril into Philly to split up heavy Democratic majority from the metro area across the rest of the state's districts? That would end up with a ridiculous looking map of districts. The same pattern - Democratic supermajority in urban areas and smaller republican majorities in rural areas - played out in many places across the country. There are very few districts Republicans win with the 80%+ majorities Democrats take in the cities. It's not exactly a conspiracy, just a natural consequence of a system where winning by 1% is worth the same as winning by 40%. The only way around it would to switch to a nationwide vote and a system or proportional representation.
 
2012-11-30 09:02:17 AM

Buffalo77: You want to discuss issues, then fine.

Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.

So it make you look like a douche instead ofark, and the rest of you IT drones.


Welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-11-30 09:02:29 AM

Skarekrough: We go over the cliff and lose funding for entitlement programs were in a situation for most aspects where Americans can help other Americans. It sucks that it happens but we can rally together to help one another


Oh farking bullshiat. Half this country wouldn't lift a finger to help another American in need. They sneer at the "takers" and "moochers". They will happily watch them suffer.
 
2012-11-30 09:02:32 AM
Previously, Obama's pattern had been to offer plans that roughly tracked where he thought the compromise should end up. The White House's belief was that by being solicitous in their policy proposals, they would win goodwill on the other side, and even if they didn't, the media would side with them, realizing they'd sought compromise and been rebuffed. They don't believe that anymore. Link
 
2012-11-30 09:02:56 AM
Woe be to the vanquished.
 
2012-11-30 09:02:57 AM
We = racists?
Conservative = Confederate?

Where's he going with this?
 
2012-11-30 09:03:15 AM
He gave you 98% of what you wanted last time and you reneged on your end of the deal (cutting DoD funding) so fark off GOP.
 
2012-11-30 09:03:41 AM
FTA: "They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away."

Walking away means Republicans will take all the heat for the tax increases and military cuts, while Obama will get what he wants passed later. Which is why Republicans will cave on everything and pretend they got what they wanted.
 
2012-11-30 09:05:14 AM

mrshowrules: brerjeff: A few months ago, my mom who is a baby-boomer tea party crazy-type, was trying to save me from my socialist-communist tendencies and was trying to convince me how right she was by suggesting I read some columns from Krauthammer. I haven't stopped laughing yet.

As I picture your mom.

[ct.fra.bz image 600x416]

/no offense


There's this look of smugness that stupid people can achieve that no thinking person can ever come close to...it fills me with much rage, because you know there's no way you can use knowledge, facts, or wisdom to get rid of it. It is the impenetrable shield of stupidity.

badhatharry: The Democrats know they make any demands that they want. They know the Republicans will be blamed no matter what happens. That's what happens when you don't have a free press.

/analogies...how do they work?

 
2012-11-30 09:05:38 AM
Awesome, so hopefully the death toll will be just as large. Personally, I believe the best thing for this country would be to take 750,000 wingnut conservatives out behind the barn with a shotgun. The executions start tonight.
 
2012-11-30 09:05:40 AM

Buffalo77: Corvus [

Where is the GOP plan?

Don't need a plan. Time for the libs to govern, you won. Now do it.

Still PBO campaigns. Get back to DC and tell the senate what to do.


1. Don't pass any Democrat ideas in the house
2. Filibuster all Democrat bills in the Senate
3. Blame Dems for 'not leading'
4. Profit?
 
2012-11-30 09:06:41 AM
He didn't say that. Charles Krauthammer is one of the biggest assholes in America, but he didn't say that.
 
2012-11-30 09:07:06 AM

GoodyearPimp: Guess we don't have a deal. Over the cliff we go, thanks to bloviating jackasses like this guy.


We can only hope it happens. Going over the "fiscal cliff" would be the best for our long term economic health, sure it is going to suck in the short run, and be hard for 10-15 years, but it would greatly help put the US governments fiscal house in order.
 
2012-11-30 09:07:39 AM
The unnamed Farklish Gambit corollary to Godwin's Law finds the use of We in an argument telegraphs that the proponent is in fact alone in his belief and has lost the argument.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:36 AM
They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think Republican ought to simply walk away.

this has been the theme I'm hearing from a LOT of Republican pundits. they're telling the Republicans NOT to compromise with the Democrats and to take their ball and go home. it's surprisingly well coordinated. Krauthammer, Limbaugh and I think I heard Beck and Hannity say something along similar lines. this theme is a bit TOO unified to be merely coincidence.

hmm.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:45 AM
So reject the deal and see where that gets you, asshole.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:58 AM

kronicfeld: Ugh, I need to stop taking quotes in headlines at face value. Of course, what does it say about Krauthammer that I didn't think for a second that it was a false quote?


Indeed. I retract everything I've said except that about Zombies and thinking Krauthammer is a liar.
 
2012-11-30 09:09:08 AM
"We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

inigomontoya.jpg

IIRC, the Republicans won that war. Is the time machine in action again? We're gonna wear that poor thing out.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:29 AM
I just wish these media outlets would send him and other mouthpieces from both sides a message. Krauthammer proclaims that there are no cuts in the Dem proposal when there clearly are substantial cuts. He ought to be told by all the TV panels he'll undoubtedly be on that someone who is so careless with the facts (because of either partisanship or stupidity) is no longer welcome to express his views on air. Of course, it'll never happen, but it's nice to think about.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:50 AM
Guess what, GOP?

Rates are going up on the upper income brackets of the wealthiest Americans one way or the other...

You lost. The Administration's ideas "won the day". You're the ones who need to come closer to his position. Or, you can continue to act like petulant children and accept most of the blame when middle class tax rates also go up.

Krauthammer's right in one way. The GOP is like the Confederacy... Beaten, on the wrong side of history, and in no position to make demands.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:57 AM

Jim_Callahan: Statistically, the last person of age in the confederacy (i.e. a full citizen) would have died before the transcontinental railroad was even complete.


The last citizen tied to the Confederacy died in 1869? That's quite a shock.
 
2012-11-30 09:11:20 AM

Corvus: So what is the republican purposal?


Tax cuts for the wealthy, increased military spending, and cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Same as it always is.
 
2012-11-30 09:12:09 AM

Buffalo77: Subby be intellectually honest about it. CK did not say what you have him quoted as saying.


CK: "It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal... Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox and he lost the Civil War."

SUBBY: "We got a better deal when we lost in the Civil War"

There are the two quotes. Now, while I have often posted my frustration with headlines using incorrect quotes (really, people, stop it), and I understand subby used the word "we" here, what about it isn't at least in the ball park? Krauthammer is suggesting the Republicans are being treated like they lost a war and owe all sorts of concessions. In reality, Obama offered a combination of cuts and the revocation of TEMPORARY tax cuts that he already extended once.

If you want a good analogy, it's like arguing with a kid about his bedtime. He usually goes down at 7pm, but you let him stay up until 8. Now you're telling him it's time for bed and he's screaming that it is completely unfair, and he'll only go along with it if you give him candy. For the record, the republicans are the child having the tantrum in this analogy. They will stay awake screaming and making life miserable for themselves and everyone else just because they didn't get their way 100% of the time.
 
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