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(Complex)   In a shocking revaluation to everyone who has ever played, Assassin's Creed 3 might not be historically accurate   (complex.com) divider line 97
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2012-11-30 08:56:04 AM  
In a shocking shacking revaluation

Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2012-11-30 08:57:54 AM  
Currently playing through AC: Revelations but having a hard time staying interested despite loving AC1 and 2. I just cannot stand Ezio's voice, the fake italian accent is killing it for me.

Probably gonna pick it back up after I get through the second play through of Borderlands 2 and Dishonored I got over the Steam sale.

/BONERFART
 
2012-11-30 08:58:54 AM  
Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.
 
2012-11-30 09:03:43 AM  
I enjoyed the parts out of the Animus where Danny the snarky English researcher guy was explaining to Desmond how selfish intransigence from the colonists caused the British Civil War of the Americas, and Desmond was going "no, but, coz freedom, and umm, shut up!"

That's exactly how it went down in the game.
 
2012-11-30 09:07:09 AM  
AC2 ended with a fistfight against the Pope in his secret underground lair beneath the Vatican.

Minor historical inaccuracies are to be expected within the Assassin's Creed franchise.
 
2012-11-30 09:08:44 AM  
Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!
 
2012-11-30 09:11:04 AM  

Theaetetus: In aan shocking shacking revaluation

Sorry, pet peeve.


Sorry, pet peave.
 
2012-11-30 09:11:07 AM  
Shanking revolution?
 
2012-11-30 09:11:15 AM  

poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!


To be fair, it's still probably more accurate than most public schools these days.
 
2012-11-30 09:15:10 AM  
History is defined by the winners....


Or which ever company makes the best video game.
 
2012-11-30 09:20:07 AM  
I liked the part where Benjamin Franklin shot the zombie in the face with his .45 put his shades on and rode off on his chopper.
 
2012-11-30 09:25:21 AM  
Finished the game last week, but I have mixed feelings about it. First off, relevant to the article they tried to plug a lot of real history in it with stuff such as an actual play from the 1700s being acted out line by line in the background during the first mission. Farking awesome. Lay outs of cities and architecture was also layed out as best they could while they tried to make it entertaining. Buildings, people, land marks all had readable histories. The intent of immersion was wonderfully pulled off, including the wilderness that had intuitive and natural looking tree paths. It was also pretty fair on who to blast. My favorite line is when Connor calls out Sam Adams on owning slaves. Later in the game he threatens Washington, and Paul Revere's ride is hilarious. I read a review by someone in England where they state they were never once offended and they wanted to know how Americans felt about those portrayals. After all the founding fathers are deified over here. The killing people game play has been really well defined and is easy to pick up, and easy to master.

What I didn't like:
Most reviews I read online were pretty good. Any rando joe review that was negative seemed to not give credit to all that I listed previously, and how the game is absolutely beautiful. Legitimate complaints (that i shared sentiment with) were that the stories were hardly linked, Connor's reason to exist and Desmond's reason to relive his memories are incredibly weak, Connor never matured and never really "grew" as a character (unlike Ezio), and the free running is still glitchy (might be the PS3 version though).

Farking great game, but you really only have 4 different areas to explore unlike previous games that had multiple cities that had very different architecture, design, and purpose.

/I've been wanting to talk with anyone about it since I finished it
 
2012-11-30 09:25:45 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.


Slaxl: I enjoyed the parts out of the Animus where Danny the snarky English researcher guy was explaining to Desmond how selfish intransigence from the colonists caused the British Civil War of the Americas, and Desmond was going "no, but, coz freedom, and umm, shut up!"


It's the 200th anniversary of the war of 1812. Montreal developer's REVENGE

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-11-30 09:32:53 AM  

poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!


Yep.
 
2012-11-30 09:33:30 AM  
It's a goddamned game. Is it Ubisoft's fault that Canadians only learn history from video games?
 
2012-11-30 09:33:40 AM  
Oh, and I forgot my complaint that Connor experiences waaaay too much history first hand. SITTING IN AT THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? Rly? You never even get to play in Philly. Founding fathers know him by name and chat with him? C'mon! The assassins are supposed to be on the fringes of history while directly effecting it, not hoisting the flag at Iwo Jima. Why is Valley Forge in the Northwest!?

That could really just be my preference in what I expect out of the series though
 
2012-11-30 09:36:28 AM  

thecpt: Finished the game last week, but I have mixed feelings about it. First off, relevant to the article they tried to plug a lot of real history in it with stuff such as an actual play from the 1700s being acted out line by line in the background during the first mission. Farking awesome. Lay outs of cities and architecture was also layed out as best they could while they tried to make it entertaining. Buildings, people, land marks all had readable histories. The intent of immersion was wonderfully pulled off, including the wilderness that had intuitive and natural looking tree paths. It was also pretty fair on who to blast. My favorite line is when Connor calls out Sam Adams on owning slaves. Later in the game he threatens Washington, and Paul Revere's ride is hilarious. I read a review by someone in England where they state they were never once offended and they wanted to know how Americans felt about those portrayals. After all the founding fathers are deified over here. The killing people game play has been really well defined and is easy to pick up, and easy to master.

What I didn't like:
Most reviews I read online were pretty good. Any rando joe review that was negative seemed to not give credit to all that I listed previously, and how the game is absolutely beautiful. Legitimate complaints (that i shared sentiment with) were that the stories were hardly linked, Connor's reason to exist and Desmond's reason to relive his memories are incredibly weak, Connor never matured and never really "grew" as a character (unlike Ezio), and the free running is still glitchy (might be the PS3 version though).

Farking great game, but you really only have 4 different areas to explore unlike previous games that had multiple cities that had very different architecture, design, and purpose.

/I've been wanting to talk with anyone about it since I finished it


I think Connor's reason to exist and Desmond's reason to relive his memories are clear, and important. Connor had the key to the precursor temple, they had to relive his memories to find what he did with it. I agree that he never really 'grew' as a character though. I would count the tree running against it, though, since you can see from a mile away the unnatural looking branches that solely exist to allow you to run through the trees. I had hoped that all trees had branches you could grab.

Occasionally I had important targets spawn in inaccessible places, like in the middle of a tree, which was frustrating. There seemed to be more bugs than previous ones.

However the best thing about the game was the naval warfare side of it. I could sit on the ship having a fight all day. If they could just take that part of the game, move it back 100 years and add hundreds of Caribbean ports, and make it like Sid Meier's Pirates, but without the old age onset, and the more cartoony elements, and mission to find lost relatives, and instead make a very detailed and more realistic piratey game then I'd buy it all over again.
 
2012-11-30 09:40:32 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.


He's not a Templar, but he's certainly not presented as in an unmitigated positive light. You can talk to him after the end game and Connor chews his ass for being a hypocrite.

thecpt: Finished the game last week, but I have mixed feelings about it. First off, relevant to the article they tried to plug a lot of real history in it with stuff such as an actual play from the 1700s being acted out line by line in the background during the first mission. Farking awesome. Lay outs of cities and architecture was also layed out as best they could while they tried to make it entertaining. Buildings, people, land marks all had readable histories. The intent of immersion was wonderfully pulled off, including the wilderness that had intuitive and natural looking tree paths. It was also pretty fair on who to blast. My favorite line is when Connor calls out Sam Adams on owning slaves. Later in the game he threatens Washington, and Paul Revere's ride is hilarious. I read a review by someone in England where they state they were never once offended and they wanted to know how Americans felt about those portrayals. After all the founding fathers are deified over here. The killing people game play has been really well defined and is easy to pick up, and easy to master.

What I didn't like:
Most reviews I read online were pretty good. Any rando joe review that was negative seemed to not give credit to all that I listed previously, and how the game is absolutely beautiful. Legitimate complaints (that i shared sentiment with) were that the stories were hardly linked, Connor's reason to exist and Desmond's reason to relive his memories are incredibly weak, Connor never matured and never really "grew" as a character (unlike Ezio), and the free running is still glitchy (might be the PS3 version though).

Farking great game, but you really only have 4 different areas to explore unlike previous games that had multiple cities that had very different architecture, design, and purpose.

/I've been wanting to talk with anyone about it since I finished it


Me too. I loved it but I think Ubisoft fell off from the high quality of the Ezio trilogy. I do hope they do a similar trilogy with Connor. Next up: French Revolution.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:49 AM  

Slaxl: I think Connor's reason to exist and Desmond's reason to relive his memories are clear, and important. Connor had the key to the precursor temple, they had to relive his memories to find what he did with it. I agree that he never really 'grew' as a character though. I would count the tree running against it, though, since you can see from a mile away the unnatural looking branches that solely exist to allow you to run through the trees. I had hoped that all trees had branches you could grab.

Occasionally I had important targets spawn in inaccessible places, like in the middle of a tree, which was frustrating. There seemed to be more bugs than previous ones.


Oh it's definitely clear. I prefer the mystery and reveals of the previous two where the character had an absolute wtf moment happen at the end that left the player reeling. It's just that I didn't want to play 40 some hours just to find out he left it in a grave outside his house. I thought it was a little weak is all.

I did not have those glitches, those sound awful.

I thought the naval warfare was great too, for something thats not even a main focus in the game they made it the best 3rd person naval warfare game by far.
 
2012-11-30 09:44:34 AM  

Freakman: French Revolution.


Hells yeah. That would be fantastic. I like that the Marquis de Lafayette ended up being one of Connor's best pals.

I kind of wanted a Carribean revolution mission set in the game, once I saw the map with a ship line going to the islands.
 
2012-11-30 09:46:33 AM  
Actually, haven't the developers indicated that any named person in the game you kill is a real person, and the date of their death corresponds with historical records? Sure, the story going along with the game is punched up a bit, but still a pretty impressive attention to detail.
 
2012-11-30 09:47:19 AM  

thecpt: Oh, and I forgot my complaint that Connor experiences waaaay too much history first hand. SITTING IN AT THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? Rly? You never even get to play in Philly. Founding fathers know him by name and chat with him? C'mon! The assassins are supposed to be on the fringes of history while directly effecting it, not hoisting the flag at Iwo Jima. Why is Valley Forge in the Northwest!?

That could really just be my preference in what I expect out of the series though


Could easily argue that Conner was there because he was invited or serving as a body guard while at the signing.
 
2012-11-30 09:47:42 AM  

thecpt: Oh, and I forgot my complaint that Connor experiences waaaay too much history first hand. SITTING IN AT THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? Rly? You never even get to play in Philly. Founding fathers know him by name and chat with him? C'mon! The assassins are supposed to be on the fringes of history while directly effecting it, not hoisting the flag at Iwo Jima. Why is Valley Forge in the Northwest!?

That could really just be my preference in what I expect out of the series though


America was smaller than. Its actually not too unreasonable to imagine that random metis dude would no some of the FF's. May be not all of them.
 
2012-11-30 09:49:27 AM  

thecpt: Freakman: French Revolution.

Hells yeah. That would be fantastic. I like that the Marquis de Lafayette ended up being one of Connor's best pals.

I kind of wanted a Carribean revolution mission set in the game, once I saw the map with a ship line going to the islands.


Me too. I hope that's their plan and they set up that relationship with Lafayette in order to get Connor to France for the Revolution. Lafayette invited many of his American friends to France after the war, and even hosted Thomas Jefferson's son for a while.
 
2012-11-30 09:52:06 AM  
And yet they won't do an Assassin's Creed game about the Haitian slave revolution because they're racist.
 
2012-11-30 09:52:37 AM  
Ok, which one of you farkers wrote this in the original artistic comments:

"I agree with this editorial. Video games have a long history of distorting history.

The Mario Brothers franchise: A completely inaccurate portrayal of the experience of Italian immigrants to North America.

Donkey Kong: A pathetic attempt to explain the plight of apes in central Africa and elsewhere.

The Grand Theft Auto series: Not an accurate depiction of the criminal lifestyle, or corruption in the police force, or the effects of throwing a pipebomb at a group of Hare Krishna while riding a dirt bike on a city sidewalk.

Won't someone think of the children?"


Bon travail!
 
2012-11-30 09:54:28 AM  
Article^

Damnit
 
2012-11-30 09:54:38 AM  
Ubisoft could make an entire game just from the naval warfare, and they should
 
2012-11-30 09:56:07 AM  
Soooo, Abraham Lincoln was a vampire hunter, but George Washington did NOT have ninja assassins write the Declaration of Independence?
 
2012-11-30 09:57:54 AM  
I also loved the naval missions.

But, as long as Mass Effect is still real... Right?
 
2012-11-30 09:59:30 AM  

yves0010: Could easily argue that Conner was there because he was invited or serving as a body guard while at the signing.


Definitely, I think one of the missions you protect GW during an assassination attempt. It's just after all of the FF that know you in the game, sharing a horse with Paul Revere, exploring Boston with Sam Adams I felt he was way to directly in the spot light. I always thought the purpose of the game was to make a conspiracy story and have someone who could have acted on the fringes of history for unresolved historical deaths. If this guy did any two of these things he would have a 5 story tall monument.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:34 AM  

King Something: AC2 ended with a fistfight against the Pope in his secret underground lair beneath the Vatican.

Minor historical inaccuracies are to be expected within the Assassin's Creed franchise.


This. The games are supposed to be 'History as it really happened, not as told by the Templars/Abstergo'. That said, I think they went a little bit overboard in some places injecting Conner into events, most notably commanding the troops at Lexington and Concord. Maybe it's due to feeling closer to American history, having studied it much more in-depth in school than say, 1400s Italy or the Holy Land during the crusades.

...but they didn't inject him in the one part I really wanted to do. No sneak attack across the rivier on Christmas made me sad.


jayhawk88: Actually, haven't the developers indicated that any named person in the game you kill is a real person, and the date of their death corresponds with historical records? Sure, the story going along with the game is punched up a bit, but still a pretty impressive attention to detail.


Yep. It's why, for example, you don't kill the Pope at the end of AC2, he didn't actually die until a few years later.
 
2012-11-30 10:00:06 AM  

Slaxl: However the best thing about the game was the naval warfare side of it. I could sit on the ship having a fight all day. If they could just take that part of the game, move it back 100 years and add hundreds of Caribbean ports, and make it like Sid Meier's Pirates, but without the old age onset, and the more cartoony elements, and mission to find lost relatives, and instead make a very detailed and more realistic piratey game then I'd buy it all over again.


I love naval warfare. They need to roll that off as a multiplayer game.
 
2012-11-30 10:03:42 AM  

HalEmmerich: ...but they didn't inject him in the one part I really wanted to do. No sneak attack across the rivier on Christmas made me sad.


wow. didn't even think about that. There wasn't even a Hessian in the game.

This would have been a fun target:
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-30 10:06:46 AM  
So, do dragon shouts still work in the real world?
 
2012-11-30 10:08:20 AM  

King Something: AC2 ended with a fistfight against the Pope in his secret underground lair beneath the Vatican...


You serious? I've never played these games. I may have to.

Phil Ken Sebben: poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!

To be fair, it's still probably more accurate than most public schools these days.


Not to get all righteous and serious, but our public schools are actually ranked as doing pretty well.
 
2012-11-30 10:08:30 AM  

I_C_Weener: So, do dragon shouts still work in the real world?


In my world they work, especially when I'm driving
 
2012-11-30 10:14:31 AM  

thecpt: yves0010: Could easily argue that Conner was there because he was invited or serving as a body guard while at the signing.

Definitely, I think one of the missions you protect GW during an assassination attempt. It's just after all of the FF that know you in the game, sharing a horse with Paul Revere, exploring Boston with Sam Adams I felt he was way to directly in the spot light. I always thought the purpose of the game was to make a conspiracy story and have someone who could have acted on the fringes of history for unresolved historical deaths. If this guy did any two of these things he would have a 5 story tall monument.


I definitely agree with where you're coming from, but I think they sidestep it with Conner's falling out with the Patriots towards the end. I think threatening to kill Washington for messing with his people didn't do much for his relationship with all of those guys. They were using him and his desire to protect his people to do their dirty work in service to their cause while screwing him over behind his back, and then he fades into the background following the end of the war. Plus he was an Indian, so yeah.

And he didn't really know that many of the founding fathers. Adams, Washington and Lafayette mostly.


thecpt: HalEmmerich: ...but they didn't inject him in the one part I really wanted to do. No sneak attack across the rivier on Christmas made me sad.

wow. didn't even think about that. There wasn't even a Hessian in the game.

This would have been a fun target:
[25.media.tumblr.com image 350x282]


I could have sworn some of the normal enemies were? I suppose I could be wrong on that point though.
 
2012-11-30 10:15:56 AM  

thecpt: yves0010: Could easily argue that Conner was there because he was invited or serving as a body guard while at the signing.

Definitely, I think one of the missions you protect GW during an assassination attempt. It's just after all of the FF that know you in the game, sharing a horse with Paul Revere, exploring Boston with Sam Adams I felt he was way to directly in the spot light. I always thought the purpose of the game was to make a conspiracy story and have someone who could have acted on the fringes of history for unresolved historical deaths. If this guy did any two of these things he would have a 5 story tall monument.


But also at this point in AC history. The Assassins were not really a brotherhood so to speak in America. So Conner was not taught how to be a true assassin like Altiar and Ezio. I looked at it as I played the game as they, the Founding Fathers, saw him and could use him as a soldier for special missions no one else could. Conner being the first Black Ops soldier in a way.

And to point out this was not the first time an Assassin worked for the government / people in power. Ezio's father did the same as shown in the ACII tie in prequel movie.
 
2012-11-30 10:18:50 AM  

HalEmmerich: I definitely agree with where you're coming from, but I think they sidestep it with Conner's falling out with the Patriots towards the end. I think threatening to kill Washington for messing with his people didn't do much for his relationship with all of those guys. They were using him and his desire to protect his people to do their dirty work in service to their cause while screwing him over behind his back, and then he fades into the background following the end of the war. Plus he was an Indian, so yeah.

And he didn't really know that many of the founding fathers. Adams, Washington and Lafayette mostly.


Ben Franklin as well, at least in my game he knew him. But yeah, I saw that too but it never bothered me at all that he knew and worked with these people.
 
2012-11-30 10:22:27 AM  

thecpt: wow. didn't even think about that. There wasn't even a Hessian in the game.


There were some Hessians, just not main characters. And one of the future DLC's will involve an alternate history with a tyrannical King George Washington.
 
2012-11-30 10:29:28 AM  
I'm enjoying the crap out of the game. I'm am also looking forward to the DLC which I believe is call The Tyranny of King George. It's not a history lesson. It's a game.

I really like hanging the redcoats in the trees.
 
2012-11-30 10:32:00 AM  
Meh, I grew weary of the games when they pretty much strayed from actually being games about assassinations. It's become more of a swashbuckling game, which I wouldn't have a problem with it if the combat mechanics weren't ass salad.

'Hi, I'm Ezio... perhaps you've seen me wandering around in my obnoxious getup that I should never be able to obfuscate in. I pop in and out of combat in a billowing cloud of my own gay as people wait in a single file line for me to counter-kill over and over. And if I'm overly lazy I can just have one of my minions, who are stealthier than I am now, make the kill for me as I laugh. Have you seen my hometown? I call it Assassinsville... you can recognize it by the symbol of my secret society chiseled in marble on the central square fountain. Grab a souvenir, have your picture drawn next to the Altair statue, family fun for all!'

These last few games looked like they might have gone back to their roots a bit... but no, not really. The ship combat interests me, and the outfits in Liberation change the gameplay up. But you're still doing useless side missions more than you're planning or doing assassinations, they still have no idea what to have you do with your money, and Desmond is still so unlikable that concentrating on him is a chore. I can see why they haven't even thought of implementing more modern settings for gameplay, because the combat mechanics would look even more ridiculous.
 
2012-11-30 10:34:01 AM  

Mentat: There were some Hessians, just not main characters. And one of the future DLC's will involve an alternate history with a tyrannical King George Washington.


I remember people wearing blue uniforms but I thought they were militia. I don't remember hearing anyone speak German (at least not as obvious as the Germanic Crusaders in AC1).

yves0010: Ben Franklin as well, at least in my game he knew him. But yeah, I saw that too but it never bothered me at all that he knew and worked with these people.


There was old put and I think another general, not to mention the Boston Tea Party. It bothered me, but that is like my opinion man. I can see not being bothered by it too. Like I said, I really liked the game but I thought it delved away from what I thought were the general rules of the series.

/favorite person from that era is Nathaniel Greene
//Quakers had a stigma and no one thought they could be a general, especially not one capable of revolutionizing guerrilla warfare. HAHA!!1!!1
///Connor was THE Mohawk Indian
 
2012-11-30 10:36:21 AM  

YodaBlues: Currently playing through AC: Revelations but having a hard time staying interested despite loving AC1 and 2. I just cannot stand Ezio's voice, the fake italian accent is killing it for me.

Probably gonna pick it back up after I get through the second play through of Borderlands 2 and Dishonored I got over the Steam sale.

/BONERFART


Revelations is a just okay game for the most part but when BIG EVENT happens I was actually pissed and forgot about all the side missions and just burned through the rest of the main quest.

And Borderlands is great but I got hit with the bug that wiped all my stats. I'm not playing again until they fix that.
 
2012-11-30 10:50:11 AM  
To anyone commenting about Connors growth: AC2 was built for a trilogy from the word go, so they had a lot more wiggle room with it. They also had a lot more 'space' since it was set far away in time and distance and culture.

I sort of get the feeling AC3 is a stand alone game, and that they're trying to wrap up the Desmond story in the next few years.

Has anyone bought/played this on the PC? I'm curious as to how bad it is, but I'm waiting on a sale. Did Ubi DRM rape it again?
 
2012-11-30 10:54:47 AM  

thecpt: yves0010: Ben Franklin as well, at least in my game he knew him. But yeah, I saw that too but it never bothered me at all that he knew and worked with these people.

There was old put and I think another general, not to mention the Boston Tea Party. It bothered me, but that is like my opinion man. I can see not being bothered by it too. Like I said, I really liked the game but I thought it delved away from what I thought were the general rules of the series.

/favorite person from that era is Nathaniel Greene
//Quakers had a stigma and no one thought they could be a general, especially not one capable of revolutionizing guerrilla warfare. HAHA!!1!!1
///Connor was THE Mohawk Indian


I really do not have a personal hero out of the revolutionary era, but I tend to favor all of them. But I have to say, out of the 3 main assassins from the AC series (not counting Liberty because I haven't played it yet). Conner is the best out of them all. Altiar is close second and Ezio is 3rd.
 
2012-11-30 10:56:04 AM  

thecpt: ///Connor was THE Mohawk Indian


I'm Mohawkier:

i39.tinypic.com

i41.tinypic.com

Also, I know how to use one of these:

img189.imageshack.us

Conclusion: I am Connor.

/Where all de Templars at?
 
2012-11-30 11:06:27 AM  
At very least, they need to be equipped to separate the Ameriphilia from the facts.

I had a case of Ameriphillia once, short course of penicillin cleared it up.
 
2012-11-30 11:09:43 AM  

kroonermanblack: To anyone commenting about Connors growth: AC2 was built for a trilogy from the word go, so they had a lot more wiggle room with it. They also had a lot more 'space' since it was set far away in time and distance and culture.

I sort of get the feeling AC3 is a stand alone game, and that they're trying to wrap up the Desmond story in the next few years.

Has anyone bought/played this on the PC? I'm curious as to how bad it is, but I'm waiting on a sale. Did Ubi DRM rape it again?



MAJOR SPOILERS FOR AC3 AHEAD


That's my biggest complaint about AC3, really, that they didn't 'wrap up' Desmond's story, or more specifically the present day story. They've so blatantly set it up for follow-ups it's not even funny. Desmond is 'dead'(yeah, sure), but we're not really sure what Juno is going to do now. And they didn't close the book on Conner either, he's specifically told but Juno "You'll make a difference again." I was hoping that we'd see the main, present day AC story, which I actually enjoyed, all wrapped up, and they'd be free to do what some people have been clamoring for, just making straight up period pieces with other Assassin characters after being freed from the restraints of the Animus framing. But nope. They're going to stretch out the present day plot and we're likely to see more of Conner, either through Desmond, his dad, or some other mechanism. Bah.
 
2012-11-30 11:11:05 AM  

Slaxl: However the best thing about the game was the naval warfare side of it. I could sit on the ship having a fight all day. If they could just take that part of the game, move it back 100 years and add hundreds of Caribbean ports, and make it like Sid Meier's Pirates, but without the old age onset, and the more cartoony elements, and mission to find lost relatives, and instead make a very detailed and more realistic piratey game then I'd buy it all over again.


[go ahead take my money.jpg]
 
2012-11-30 11:13:38 AM  
I tried to play part 2, just couldn't get into it. Hell, I couldn't even get past the "practice" session where you have to beat your brother in a race on the rooftops. I have played console games since the 1980's and can usually figure out game mechanics and the controls no problem, but even with the walk through practice in the beginning I could never figure it out and I couldn't get into it. I shut it off before the story even started.
 
2012-11-30 11:17:13 AM  

Trade Secret: I tried to play part 2, just couldn't get into it. Hell, I couldn't even get past the "practice" session where you have to beat your brother in a race on the rooftops. I have played console games since the 1980's and can usually figure out game mechanics and the controls no problem, but even with the walk through practice in the beginning I could never figure it out and I couldn't get into it. I shut it off before the story even started.


I can only assume that you're making the game's free-running harder than it needs to be. All you really have to do is point Ezio in the direction you want to go and hold the "high profile" button.
 
2012-11-30 11:22:07 AM  

Trade Secret: I tried to play part 2, just couldn't get into it. Hell, I couldn't even get past the "practice" session where you have to beat your brother in a race on the rooftops.


yeah that was annoying, the mechanics of the game aren't that smooth. I kept on trying to run up walls only to kick off of it and land in a crowd and possibly stab someone on the way down. Maybe that's commonplace for Florence.

The game drug on for way too long, and for a lot of it I had no idea what I was supposed to do other than go back and forth between cities. I thought the storyline was okay to pretty good.

Favorite part of it was hearing the bad dialogue that Leonardo da Vinci got. "An inverse Cesear code"? You mean plaintext?
 
2012-11-30 11:37:48 AM  
I have a kid trying to con me into allowing this game on the grounds that it "teaches history." Are you kidding me? We've got three books shelves filled with books. There's a section of history books, most targeted specifically at juvenile readers, that is about a yard long. The kids want to learn history; fine we're going back to enforcing our increasingly ignored rules limiting technology usage so they have time to read a book.

I think I'll take my own advice now. I've been spending way too much time on this site. I love reading all the different view points, but time just slips away.
 
2012-11-30 11:39:12 AM  
Are you trying to tell me that the events in this upcoming DLC didn't happen either?

cdn-images.hollywood.com 

I am confused and outraged at the same time.
 
2012-11-30 11:39:45 AM  
You know what's really fun in AC3? The fact that the farking Ledger menu is broken for PC and keys do not work, particularly Backspace or Escape. You cannot Craft, send Stockpile Caravans, or do anything else with your ledger. Instead, you have to crash your client. A huge part of the game unable to be used. Way to go guys.
 
2012-11-30 11:40:04 AM  
I love the game as a whole but certain missions piss me off so badly that I hate playing.the game and have actually taken a break from it. And why is fighting animals different from fighting people. that pisses me off as well.

Great over all but please, game designers, STOP PISSING ME OFF!!!

sorry. rant off.
 
2012-11-30 11:48:53 AM  

Rose McGowan Loveslave: I love the game as a whole but certain missions piss me off so badly that I hate playing.the game and have actually taken a break from it. And why is fighting animals different from fighting people. that pisses me off as well.

Great over all but please, game designers, STOP PISSING ME OFF!!!

sorry. rant off.


Wolf is coming at you or your side, Hit E, Hit Q, Space, or L-Mouse. Skin. Cut scene. Continue.

Yeah it is really farking stupid that animal combat is different. Animal combat isn't even fun or challenging but more-so annoying. I don't bother setting traps I run at stuff and pounce with my Hidden Blade. Any game that introduces secondary combat systems = fail. Stick to your core mechanics, don't introduce some half-assed mini-game. AC3 has a lot of that. Some of it is pretty cool and could be expanded on with DLC, but a lot of it is extraneous. Arguably, almost none of it is being utilized properly now.
 
2012-11-30 12:04:49 PM  

kroonermanblack: To anyone commenting about Connors growth: AC2 was built for a trilogy from the word go, so they had a lot more wiggle room with it. They also had a lot more 'space' since it was set far away in time and distance and culture.

I sort of get the feeling AC3 is a stand alone game, and that they're trying to wrap up the Desmond story in the next few years.

Has anyone bought/played this on the PC? I'm curious as to how bad it is, but I'm waiting on a sale. Did Ubi DRM rape it again?


Desmond's story is wrapped up.
 
2012-11-30 12:06:03 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: You know what's really fun in AC3? The fact that the farking Ledger menu is broken for PC and keys do not work, particularly Backspace or Escape. You cannot Craft, send Stockpile Caravans, or do anything else with your ledger. Instead, you have to crash your client. A huge part of the game unable to be used. Way to go guys.


The ledger not working would be a plus. The UI for the ledgers on consoles is so broken that it takes way more time to do anything than it reasonably should.

I'm enjoying the game quite a bit in small doses but a lot of the game feels very unpolished. For example I like how the underground works and it's interesting but I get the feeling that if less time had been spent on that maybe some of the glitchy movements could have been fixed and maybe the assassination contracts could have been interesting instead of, go here, use hidden blade, walk away.

That said, just walking around in the environment is fun. Sort of like how Metro 2033 could have all the combat and story removed from it and it would still be worth playing just to wander around in the populated areas and experience all the interesting goings on in the different stations.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:15 PM  

Tax Boy: Slaxl: However the best thing about the game was the naval warfare side of it. I could sit on the ship having a fight all day. If they could just take that part of the game, move it back 100 years and add hundreds of Caribbean ports, and make it like Sid Meier's Pirates, but without the old age onset, and the more cartoony elements, and mission to find lost relatives, and instead make a very detailed and more realistic piratey game then I'd buy it all over again.

[go ahead take my money.jpg]


Me too.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:22 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: You know what's really fun in AC3? The fact that the farking Ledger menu is broken for PC and keys do not work, particularly Backspace or Escape. You cannot Craft, send Stockpile Caravans, or do anything else with your ledger. Instead, you have to crash your client. A huge part of the game unable to be used. Way to go guys.


Crafting is almost meaningless anyway. You're not missing out on much. That's my only complaint of the game.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:19 PM  
AC 3 really seems like four different well-done half games (Sailing; homestead missions; fetch quests; Main story) all put together, and not that well. I had no problem beating the story with never touching the Underground and hardly touching the homestead. Some of the individual sequences were extremly well done, and looked great, but it needed something else to be a truly great game.

Also: SPOILERS... SPOILERS So in the end, Desmond chose to save everyone by releasing a being of great power to rule over humanity. Isn't that exactly what the Templars always wanted, and the exact opposite of everything the Assassin's stand for.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:48 PM  
the money is in the banana stand

Thanks for the tip but I'm on a 360.

//Who's awesome?
//You're awesome!!
 
2012-11-30 12:13:13 PM  
What was the original value?
 
2012-11-30 12:17:52 PM  

Doogles4221: Also: SPOILERS... SPOILERS So in the end, Desmond chose to save everyone by releasing a being of great power to rule over humanity. Isn't that exactly what the Templars always wanted, and the exact opposite of everything the Assassin's stand for.


I've given that thought, but basically they wanted control before and after. They would have used the Apple of Eden for this and their other nefarious purposes. Yeah, the ending kind of took a steep decline and why the hell does a being without a body want to control the world? I got really lost there. Ending really did blow.
 
2012-11-30 12:39:21 PM  
methinks the ; should have been used, not the ,.
 
2012-11-30 12:55:33 PM  

poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!


This story is actually about Canadians being worried their young people are getting the wrong ideas about history, not Americans

/the_more_you_know.jpg
 
2012-11-30 12:59:00 PM  
In the defense of the G&M article (only somewhat because it's pretty stupid overall) they nailed the problem in that most of the promotional material is utterly farking retarded. In the end it's more to do with the fact the protagonist is an Indian and it's pretty unlikely that an Indian would be fighting against the Brits in 1763. This article just cherry picks a few lines out of context.

But what do I care, I didn't even feel like finishing AC1 and haven't bothered trying the rest.

Globe writer is probably also from Ontario, where most of their kids are stupid as shiat anyway.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:27 PM  

Egoy3k: The ledger not working would be a plus. The UI for the ledgers on consoles is so broken that it takes way more time to do anything than it reasonably should.


This. I only ever used the ledger for selling skins I picked up and about halfway through the game when you're able to buy bear/beaver/wolf pelts, I just stopped bothering to skin animals at all and just bought and resold those skins. Money really is quite useless in the game past refilling the stock that gets wiped every time you reload the game... Maybe ship upgrades but once you've got fire shot you're pretty much set for that whole thing.
 
2012-11-30 01:25:52 PM  
Yea... AC3 is as much a lesson on United States history as Total War: Shogun 2 is a lesson on Japanese history or as much of a history lesson of the whole advancement of the human race that Empire Earth was.
 
2012-11-30 01:35:05 PM  
I enjoyed the final game, but it raises a lot of questions for me.

*SPOILER ALERT*

If Desmond's bloodline once crossed over to become a Templar, why? How? Did the "Assassin" legacy sort of fade out after Ezio retired? Or was he groomed for the Templar order by random chance? How did a tribe of Native Americans come into possession of an Apple of Eden, and why didn't the Templar order recognize that they A) needed it to access the first civ cave or B) make any efforts to recover the one possessed by Conner's tribe? I guess if they didn't know anything about it, that's fine, but the tribe's interactions with the Templar's even before Conner's birth makes it seem likely that they knew the tribe either had knowledge of the apple or possessed it outright. Unless it was just chance that a Templar aligned himself with this tribe.

It would also appear that the Assassin Order diminished greatly after the retirement of Ezio. I find it hard to believe that the only Assassin's in that conflict were you, Davenport, and your three apprentices. There may have been many people helping the Assassin's, but they didn't operate with the order on the same level as Sulieman or Davinci or the Medici did in previous games. The Assassins you do see are also so far removed from the quality of the old Assassin order that I honestly found them to be "unworthy" of the Assassin title. They weren't trained in the same fashion, they didn't possess hidden blades, you never see any kind of ceremony. It just seemed like they were Assassins by name only. I don't know, maybe that was the idea, considering the Assassin order is now practically a series of splinter cells with low numbers, but it they just seemed so...weak in AC3. At any rate, I enjoyed the hell out of the game and I can't wait to see where they go with the franchise. After the ship levels, I'd really love to see Ubisoft make a pirate game.
 
2012-11-30 02:40:06 PM  

YodaBlues: /BONERFART


I'm actually partial to that name for them.
 
2012-11-30 02:51:37 PM  
Should we point out that ALL the Founding Fathers, more or less were techincially "Templars" because they were all Freemasons? And that it may well have been that Freemason connection that helped us Win the war? European officers who were critical to training the Continental Army into a legit fighting force, such as Lafayette and Von Stueben were all freemasons and joined the Revolution after Washington and other put out a direct appeal for assistance to the masonic lodges in Europe (and that the Revolution was seen by Freemasons as a sort of attempt to create a new nation founded on Masonic ideals of liberty and equality?)
 
2012-11-30 02:54:13 PM  

I_C_Weener: So, do dragon shouts still work in the real world?


Yep. everytime I shout "Fus Roh Dah" into my microphone, people go flying away from me on my TV screen. Even cooler, the exact same thing happens if I start shouting it in a supermarket
 
2012-11-30 03:02:16 PM  

Magorn: ut that ALL the Founding Fathers, more or less were techincially "Templars" because they were all Freemasons? And that it may well have been that Freemason connection that helped us Win the war? European officers who were critical to training the Continental Army into a legit fighting force, such as Lafayette and Von Stueben were all freemasons and joined the Revolution after Washington and other put out a direct appeal for assistance to the masonic lodges in Europe (and that the Revolution was seen by Freemasons as a sort of attempt to create a new nation founded on Masonic ideals of liberty and


Strangely enough, Masonry is just about the only conspiracy theory that AC doesn't opt to include in its mythos as part of the grand Assassin vs Templar war. They're brought up and dismissed directly in AC3 as the most unsecret secret society ever and just a bunch of guys in a club.
 
2012-11-30 03:04:45 PM  
While the story may be wacky it really made you think about our revolution. I still think its a great game. I had so much with it.

In the end it was a great product and hopefully see more games with this much to do.

America, f*ck yeah. I don't care, I said it.
 
2012-11-30 03:40:13 PM  
Sorry, Canada. If people wanted to play a video game about you, they would just get NHL'13.

As for the rest, well, just take what we give you.
 
2012-11-30 04:08:13 PM  

Lunaville: I have a kid trying to con me into allowing this game on the grounds that it "teaches history." Are you kidding me? We've got three books shelves filled with books. There's a section of history books, most targeted specifically at juvenile readers, that is about a yard long. The kids want to learn history; fine we're going back to enforcing our increasingly ignored rules limiting technology usage so they have time to read a book.

I think I'll take my own advice now. I've been spending way too much time on this site. I love reading all the different view points, but time just slips away.


It's historical fiction. I actually learned a lot about the Borgia family and the early corrupt popes while playing AC: Brotherhood, which was neat. But you could learn all that from a book just as easily.
 
2012-11-30 04:14:16 PM  

PanicMan: Lunaville: I have a kid trying to con me into allowing this game on the grounds that it "teaches history." Are you kidding me? We've got three books shelves filled with books. There's a section of history books, most targeted specifically at juvenile readers, that is about a yard long. The kids want to learn history; fine we're going back to enforcing our increasingly ignored rules limiting technology usage so they have time to read a book.

I think I'll take my own advice now. I've been spending way too much time on this site. I love reading all the different view points, but time just slips away.

It's historical fiction. I actually learned a lot about the Borgia family and the early corrupt popes while playing AC: Brotherhood, which was neat. But you could learn all that from a book just as easily.


I have heard an actual historain say that some of the background stuff IS highly education and thatshort of taking a trip to colonial Williamsburg, you can't get a better feel for day to day life in colonial towns than what AC3 offers
 
2012-11-30 04:36:26 PM  
Overall I thought the game was neutral to both sides but brought up the seriousness of the relations between the colonists and the natives. Didn't force it down my throat but it didn't sweep it under the rug with "AND THEY WERE BEST FRIENDS THE END".
 
2012-11-30 05:43:23 PM  
I absolutely loved Connor as a character. His greatest flaw is that he is driven by his anger and ideals. All this evidence is placed before him that he might be fighting for the wrong side and he essentially hurts everyone he cares about in one way or another.

He just drags out his own suffering because he is stubborn. It's kind of awesome to watch.
 
2012-11-30 06:24:11 PM  

SultanofSchwing:
Globe writer is probably also from Ontario, where most of their kids are stupid as shiat anyway.


Oh just seperate already. You Frogs get more annoying every year.
 
2012-11-30 06:32:34 PM  
Did anyone else groan any time the game went back to Desmond for a section? His stuff mostly sucked ass.

It also sucked ass in AC:B, where I actually never finished the game, being in the vault and unable to complete the completely ass-farking retarded jumping puzzle (just not quick enough, did it like 40 times, nearly broke the controller at the end).

These games have the worst control schemes ever. It's like Ubisoft said "people loved the parkour and action in Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, so let's make it much more frustrating and make it hurt to keep pounding on the controller when your guy jumps at nothing or dies needlessly."

The bugs in AC3 were horrible. Get invited to another game while playing, and decline? It tells you to insert Disc 2, thinking you're going to multiplayer. You insert the disc begrudgingly and then it tells you to insert disc 1. You insert that disc and load the game, and "Insert Disc 2". You have to turn off the xbox or sign out of Live and back in in order to get it to stop that shiat.

One time I smacked a guy with my little wee axe from above and my guy flew 500 ft into the air, well outside the boundaries of the map. Funny as shiat, but what the hell?

Also, I did the Chase Charles Lee mission about 35 times before having to go to a walkthrough because it turns out you cannot go left even though going right looks like it's not an option.

I immediately gave the game to someone else upon completion.
 
2012-11-30 07:25:01 PM  
Neither was 5th grade history.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:21 PM  

Doogles4221: AC 3 really seems like four different well-done half games (Sailing; homestead missions; fetch quests; Main story) all put together, and not that well. I had no problem beating the story with never touching the Underground and hardly touching the homestead. Some of the individual sequences were extremly well done, and looked great, but it needed something else to be a truly great game.

Also: SPOILERS... SPOILERS So in the end, Desmond chose to save everyone by releasing a being of great power to rule over humanity. Isn't that exactly what the Templars always wanted, and the exact opposite of everything the Assassin's stand for.


The way I interpreted it: Not releasing her guaranteed the Earth would fall into a Templar-vision version of itself. By releasing her, he gives the other Assassins a chance to forestall it. So in a way, he preserves freedom even if there is a chance it fails.
 
2012-11-30 08:47:41 PM  

mooseyfate: I enjoyed the final game, but it raises a lot of questions for me.

*SPOILER ALERT*

If Desmond's bloodline once crossed over to become a Templar, why? How? Did the "Assassin" legacy sort of fade out after Ezio retired? Or was he groomed for the Templar order by random chance? How did a tribe of Native Americans come into possession of an Apple of Eden, and why didn't the Templar order recognize that they A) needed it to access the first civ cave or B) make any efforts to recover the one possessed by Conner's tribe? I guess if they didn't know anything about it, that's fine, but the tribe's interactions with the Templar's even before Conner's birth makes it seem likely that they knew the tribe either had knowledge of the apple or possessed it outright. Unless it was just chance that a Templar aligned himself with this tribe.

It would also appear that the Assassin Order diminished greatly after the retirement of Ezio. I find it hard to believe that the only Assassin's in that conflict were you, Davenport, and your three apprentices. There may have been many people helping the Assassin's, but they didn't operate with the order on the same level as Sulieman or Davinci or the Medici did in previous games. The Assassins you do see are also so far removed from the quality of the old Assassin order that I honestly found them to be "unworthy" of the Assassin title. They weren't trained in the same fashion, they didn't possess hidden blades, you never see any kind of ceremony. It just seemed like they were Assassins by name only. I don't know, maybe that was the idea, considering the Assassin order is now practically a series of splinter cells with low numbers, but it they just seemed so...weak in AC3. At any rate, I enjoyed the hell out of the game and I can't wait to see where they go with the franchise. After the ship levels, I'd really love to see Ubisoft make a pirate game.


Uh, the game answered many of these questions. For example, Haytham decimated the Assassin Order in the New World in between the time he sired Connor and Connor met Achilles. Only Achilles survived.
 
2012-11-30 08:50:05 PM  

HalEmmerich: Magorn: ut that ALL the Founding Fathers, more or less were techincially "Templars" because they were all Freemasons? And that it may well have been that Freemason connection that helped us Win the war? European officers who were critical to training the Continental Army into a legit fighting force, such as Lafayette and Von Stueben were all freemasons and joined the Revolution after Washington and other put out a direct appeal for assistance to the masonic lodges in Europe (and that the Revolution was seen by Freemasons as a sort of attempt to create a new nation founded on Masonic ideals of liberty and

Strangely enough, Masonry is just about the only conspiracy theory that AC doesn't opt to include in its mythos as part of the grand Assassin vs Templar war. They're brought up and dismissed directly in AC3 as the most unsecret secret society ever and just a bunch of guys in a club.


I liked that they did that because that's all they are in real life.

Yeah, I said it. Come at me, Flintchippers.
 
2012-11-30 10:18:18 PM  

Freakman: Yeah, I said it. Come at me, Flintchippers.


i56.tinypic.com

OK. Where are you?
 
2012-11-30 10:40:17 PM  
Pfft, of course it isn't! Everyone knows if you want an accurate history lesson from a vidyagame, you play Civ.
 
2012-12-01 12:10:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.


That's only in the non-Canon "King Washington" DLC.

SPOILERS

From the way I interpreted it, The Templar conspirators originally start out on the side of the British, because they assume the British will win. Once the war swings decidedly in the favor of the Patriots, the Templars begin helping the Patriots. They don't really care who wins, as long as they have a seat at the table at the end of the war.

Killing John Pitcairn inadvertently prolongs the war.

Thomas Hickey only tried to assassinate George Washington because they thought Washington made a better martyr than a battlefield commander, not to help the British.

The other Templars try to kill Benjamin Church once they find out he was leaking Patriot intel to the British.

Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.
 
2012-12-01 12:46:47 AM  

Sgt Otter: Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.


But Ben Franklin's conversation about sex with older women is hilarious.
 
2012-12-01 01:01:19 AM  

Mentat: Sgt Otter: Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.

But Ben Franklin's conversation about sex with older women is hilarious.


Yup.
 
2012-12-01 01:07:13 AM  

Freakman: Uh, the game answered many of these questions. For example, Haytham decimated the Assassin Order in the New World in between the time he sired Connor and Connor met Achilles. Only Achilles survived.


I spent many cutscenes distracted, which is why I usually play AC games multiple times, I'm always missing things.
 
2012-12-01 12:42:52 PM  

Sgt Otter: Jim_Callahan: Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.

That's only in the non-Canon "King Washington" DLC.

SPOILERS

From the way I interpreted it, The Templar conspirators originally start out on the side of the British, because they assume the British will win. Once the war swings decidedly in the favor of the Patriots, the Templars begin helping the Patriots. They don't really care who wins, as long as they have a seat at the table at the end of the war.

Killing John Pitcairn inadvertently prolongs the war.

Thomas Hickey only tried to assassinate George Washington because they thought Washington made a better martyr than a battlefield commander, not to help the British.

The other Templars try to kill Benjamin Church once they find out he was leaking Patriot intel to the British.

Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.


Regardless of the DLC, AC2, and the database entries in AC3, establish that Washington does acquire an Apple...but not until after the war the is over, DLC timeline or not. Hey, it's even right there on his scepter in the DLC promo image. I wonder if the DLC will address how he acquires it, or just drop you straight into the part after he decides he wants to be king... I don't think having the Apple necessarily makes him an Assassin or a Templar, he just was just given or found the thing, and in the normal timeline used it to help get America off the ground, and in the DLC used it to put himself in place as king.

Paul Revere was portrayed as an annoying jackass, and Washington as being a bit of a deceitful jerk, but I don't recall anything particularly negative about Franklin. The whole older women bit was an actual letter he wrote to a friend... and I don't really remember running into him more than once again as Conner.
 
2012-12-01 02:46:11 PM  

Wayne 985: King Something: AC2 ended with a fistfight against the Pope in his secret underground lair beneath the Vatican...

You serious? I've never played these games. I may have to.

Phil Ken Sebben: poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!

To be fair, it's still probably more accurate than most public schools these days.

Not to get all righteous and serious, but our public schools are actually ranked as doing pretty well.


The secret underground layer was unlocked using the pope's magic tech staff. No joke.
 
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