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2012-11-30 11:11:05 AM

Slaxl: However the best thing about the game was the naval warfare side of it. I could sit on the ship having a fight all day. If they could just take that part of the game, move it back 100 years and add hundreds of Caribbean ports, and make it like Sid Meier's Pirates, but without the old age onset, and the more cartoony elements, and mission to find lost relatives, and instead make a very detailed and more realistic piratey game then I'd buy it all over again.


[go ahead take my money.jpg]
 
2012-11-30 11:13:38 AM
I tried to play part 2, just couldn't get into it. Hell, I couldn't even get past the "practice" session where you have to beat your brother in a race on the rooftops. I have played console games since the 1980's and can usually figure out game mechanics and the controls no problem, but even with the walk through practice in the beginning I could never figure it out and I couldn't get into it. I shut it off before the story even started.
 
2012-11-30 11:17:13 AM

Trade Secret: I tried to play part 2, just couldn't get into it. Hell, I couldn't even get past the "practice" session where you have to beat your brother in a race on the rooftops. I have played console games since the 1980's and can usually figure out game mechanics and the controls no problem, but even with the walk through practice in the beginning I could never figure it out and I couldn't get into it. I shut it off before the story even started.


I can only assume that you're making the game's free-running harder than it needs to be. All you really have to do is point Ezio in the direction you want to go and hold the "high profile" button.
 
2012-11-30 11:22:07 AM

Trade Secret: I tried to play part 2, just couldn't get into it. Hell, I couldn't even get past the "practice" session where you have to beat your brother in a race on the rooftops.


yeah that was annoying, the mechanics of the game aren't that smooth. I kept on trying to run up walls only to kick off of it and land in a crowd and possibly stab someone on the way down. Maybe that's commonplace for Florence.

The game drug on for way too long, and for a lot of it I had no idea what I was supposed to do other than go back and forth between cities. I thought the storyline was okay to pretty good.

Favorite part of it was hearing the bad dialogue that Leonardo da Vinci got. "An inverse Cesear code"? You mean plaintext?
 
2012-11-30 11:37:48 AM
I have a kid trying to con me into allowing this game on the grounds that it "teaches history." Are you kidding me? We've got three books shelves filled with books. There's a section of history books, most targeted specifically at juvenile readers, that is about a yard long. The kids want to learn history; fine we're going back to enforcing our increasingly ignored rules limiting technology usage so they have time to read a book.

I think I'll take my own advice now. I've been spending way too much time on this site. I love reading all the different view points, but time just slips away.
 
2012-11-30 11:39:12 AM
Are you trying to tell me that the events in this upcoming DLC didn't happen either?

cdn-images.hollywood.com 

I am confused and outraged at the same time.
 
2012-11-30 11:39:45 AM
You know what's really fun in AC3? The fact that the farking Ledger menu is broken for PC and keys do not work, particularly Backspace or Escape. You cannot Craft, send Stockpile Caravans, or do anything else with your ledger. Instead, you have to crash your client. A huge part of the game unable to be used. Way to go guys.
 
2012-11-30 11:40:04 AM
I love the game as a whole but certain missions piss me off so badly that I hate playing.the game and have actually taken a break from it. And why is fighting animals different from fighting people. that pisses me off as well.

Great over all but please, game designers, STOP PISSING ME OFF!!!

sorry. rant off.
 
2012-11-30 11:48:53 AM

Rose McGowan Loveslave: I love the game as a whole but certain missions piss me off so badly that I hate playing.the game and have actually taken a break from it. And why is fighting animals different from fighting people. that pisses me off as well.

Great over all but please, game designers, STOP PISSING ME OFF!!!

sorry. rant off.


Wolf is coming at you or your side, Hit E, Hit Q, Space, or L-Mouse. Skin. Cut scene. Continue.

Yeah it is really farking stupid that animal combat is different. Animal combat isn't even fun or challenging but more-so annoying. I don't bother setting traps I run at stuff and pounce with my Hidden Blade. Any game that introduces secondary combat systems = fail. Stick to your core mechanics, don't introduce some half-assed mini-game. AC3 has a lot of that. Some of it is pretty cool and could be expanded on with DLC, but a lot of it is extraneous. Arguably, almost none of it is being utilized properly now.
 
2012-11-30 12:04:49 PM

kroonermanblack: To anyone commenting about Connors growth: AC2 was built for a trilogy from the word go, so they had a lot more wiggle room with it. They also had a lot more 'space' since it was set far away in time and distance and culture.

I sort of get the feeling AC3 is a stand alone game, and that they're trying to wrap up the Desmond story in the next few years.

Has anyone bought/played this on the PC? I'm curious as to how bad it is, but I'm waiting on a sale. Did Ubi DRM rape it again?


Desmond's story is wrapped up.
 
2012-11-30 12:06:03 PM

the money is in the banana stand: You know what's really fun in AC3? The fact that the farking Ledger menu is broken for PC and keys do not work, particularly Backspace or Escape. You cannot Craft, send Stockpile Caravans, or do anything else with your ledger. Instead, you have to crash your client. A huge part of the game unable to be used. Way to go guys.


The ledger not working would be a plus. The UI for the ledgers on consoles is so broken that it takes way more time to do anything than it reasonably should.

I'm enjoying the game quite a bit in small doses but a lot of the game feels very unpolished. For example I like how the underground works and it's interesting but I get the feeling that if less time had been spent on that maybe some of the glitchy movements could have been fixed and maybe the assassination contracts could have been interesting instead of, go here, use hidden blade, walk away.

That said, just walking around in the environment is fun. Sort of like how Metro 2033 could have all the combat and story removed from it and it would still be worth playing just to wander around in the populated areas and experience all the interesting goings on in the different stations.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:15 PM

Tax Boy: Slaxl: However the best thing about the game was the naval warfare side of it. I could sit on the ship having a fight all day. If they could just take that part of the game, move it back 100 years and add hundreds of Caribbean ports, and make it like Sid Meier's Pirates, but without the old age onset, and the more cartoony elements, and mission to find lost relatives, and instead make a very detailed and more realistic piratey game then I'd buy it all over again.

[go ahead take my money.jpg]


Me too.
 
2012-11-30 12:09:22 PM

the money is in the banana stand: You know what's really fun in AC3? The fact that the farking Ledger menu is broken for PC and keys do not work, particularly Backspace or Escape. You cannot Craft, send Stockpile Caravans, or do anything else with your ledger. Instead, you have to crash your client. A huge part of the game unable to be used. Way to go guys.


Crafting is almost meaningless anyway. You're not missing out on much. That's my only complaint of the game.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:19 PM
AC 3 really seems like four different well-done half games (Sailing; homestead missions; fetch quests; Main story) all put together, and not that well. I had no problem beating the story with never touching the Underground and hardly touching the homestead. Some of the individual sequences were extremly well done, and looked great, but it needed something else to be a truly great game.

Also: SPOILERS... SPOILERS So in the end, Desmond chose to save everyone by releasing a being of great power to rule over humanity. Isn't that exactly what the Templars always wanted, and the exact opposite of everything the Assassin's stand for.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:48 PM
the money is in the banana stand

Thanks for the tip but I'm on a 360.

//Who's awesome?
//You're awesome!!
 
2012-11-30 12:13:13 PM
What was the original value?
 
2012-11-30 12:17:52 PM

Doogles4221: Also: SPOILERS... SPOILERS So in the end, Desmond chose to save everyone by releasing a being of great power to rule over humanity. Isn't that exactly what the Templars always wanted, and the exact opposite of everything the Assassin's stand for.


I've given that thought, but basically they wanted control before and after. They would have used the Apple of Eden for this and their other nefarious purposes. Yeah, the ending kind of took a steep decline and why the hell does a being without a body want to control the world? I got really lost there. Ending really did blow.
 
2012-11-30 12:39:21 PM
methinks the ; should have been used, not the ,.
 
2012-11-30 12:55:33 PM

poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!


This story is actually about Canadians being worried their young people are getting the wrong ideas about history, not Americans

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2012-11-30 12:59:00 PM
In the defense of the G&M article (only somewhat because it's pretty stupid overall) they nailed the problem in that most of the promotional material is utterly farking retarded. In the end it's more to do with the fact the protagonist is an Indian and it's pretty unlikely that an Indian would be fighting against the Brits in 1763. This article just cherry picks a few lines out of context.

But what do I care, I didn't even feel like finishing AC1 and haven't bothered trying the rest.

Globe writer is probably also from Ontario, where most of their kids are stupid as shiat anyway.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:27 PM

Egoy3k: The ledger not working would be a plus. The UI for the ledgers on consoles is so broken that it takes way more time to do anything than it reasonably should.


This. I only ever used the ledger for selling skins I picked up and about halfway through the game when you're able to buy bear/beaver/wolf pelts, I just stopped bothering to skin animals at all and just bought and resold those skins. Money really is quite useless in the game past refilling the stock that gets wiped every time you reload the game... Maybe ship upgrades but once you've got fire shot you're pretty much set for that whole thing.
 
2012-11-30 01:25:52 PM
Yea... AC3 is as much a lesson on United States history as Total War: Shogun 2 is a lesson on Japanese history or as much of a history lesson of the whole advancement of the human race that Empire Earth was.
 
2012-11-30 01:35:05 PM
I enjoyed the final game, but it raises a lot of questions for me.

*SPOILER ALERT*

If Desmond's bloodline once crossed over to become a Templar, why? How? Did the "Assassin" legacy sort of fade out after Ezio retired? Or was he groomed for the Templar order by random chance? How did a tribe of Native Americans come into possession of an Apple of Eden, and why didn't the Templar order recognize that they A) needed it to access the first civ cave or B) make any efforts to recover the one possessed by Conner's tribe? I guess if they didn't know anything about it, that's fine, but the tribe's interactions with the Templar's even before Conner's birth makes it seem likely that they knew the tribe either had knowledge of the apple or possessed it outright. Unless it was just chance that a Templar aligned himself with this tribe.

It would also appear that the Assassin Order diminished greatly after the retirement of Ezio. I find it hard to believe that the only Assassin's in that conflict were you, Davenport, and your three apprentices. There may have been many people helping the Assassin's, but they didn't operate with the order on the same level as Sulieman or Davinci or the Medici did in previous games. The Assassins you do see are also so far removed from the quality of the old Assassin order that I honestly found them to be "unworthy" of the Assassin title. They weren't trained in the same fashion, they didn't possess hidden blades, you never see any kind of ceremony. It just seemed like they were Assassins by name only. I don't know, maybe that was the idea, considering the Assassin order is now practically a series of splinter cells with low numbers, but it they just seemed so...weak in AC3. At any rate, I enjoyed the hell out of the game and I can't wait to see where they go with the franchise. After the ship levels, I'd really love to see Ubisoft make a pirate game.
 
2012-11-30 02:40:06 PM

YodaBlues: /BONERFART


I'm actually partial to that name for them.
 
2012-11-30 02:51:37 PM
Should we point out that ALL the Founding Fathers, more or less were techincially "Templars" because they were all Freemasons? And that it may well have been that Freemason connection that helped us Win the war? European officers who were critical to training the Continental Army into a legit fighting force, such as Lafayette and Von Stueben were all freemasons and joined the Revolution after Washington and other put out a direct appeal for assistance to the masonic lodges in Europe (and that the Revolution was seen by Freemasons as a sort of attempt to create a new nation founded on Masonic ideals of liberty and equality?)
 
2012-11-30 02:54:13 PM

I_C_Weener: So, do dragon shouts still work in the real world?


Yep. everytime I shout "Fus Roh Dah" into my microphone, people go flying away from me on my TV screen. Even cooler, the exact same thing happens if I start shouting it in a supermarket
 
2012-11-30 03:02:16 PM

Magorn: ut that ALL the Founding Fathers, more or less were techincially "Templars" because they were all Freemasons? And that it may well have been that Freemason connection that helped us Win the war? European officers who were critical to training the Continental Army into a legit fighting force, such as Lafayette and Von Stueben were all freemasons and joined the Revolution after Washington and other put out a direct appeal for assistance to the masonic lodges in Europe (and that the Revolution was seen by Freemasons as a sort of attempt to create a new nation founded on Masonic ideals of liberty and


Strangely enough, Masonry is just about the only conspiracy theory that AC doesn't opt to include in its mythos as part of the grand Assassin vs Templar war. They're brought up and dismissed directly in AC3 as the most unsecret secret society ever and just a bunch of guys in a club.
 
2012-11-30 03:04:45 PM
While the story may be wacky it really made you think about our revolution. I still think its a great game. I had so much with it.

In the end it was a great product and hopefully see more games with this much to do.

America, f*ck yeah. I don't care, I said it.
 
2012-11-30 03:40:13 PM
Sorry, Canada. If people wanted to play a video game about you, they would just get NHL'13.

As for the rest, well, just take what we give you.
 
2012-11-30 04:08:13 PM

Lunaville: I have a kid trying to con me into allowing this game on the grounds that it "teaches history." Are you kidding me? We've got three books shelves filled with books. There's a section of history books, most targeted specifically at juvenile readers, that is about a yard long. The kids want to learn history; fine we're going back to enforcing our increasingly ignored rules limiting technology usage so they have time to read a book.

I think I'll take my own advice now. I've been spending way too much time on this site. I love reading all the different view points, but time just slips away.


It's historical fiction. I actually learned a lot about the Borgia family and the early corrupt popes while playing AC: Brotherhood, which was neat. But you could learn all that from a book just as easily.
 
2012-11-30 04:14:16 PM

PanicMan: Lunaville: I have a kid trying to con me into allowing this game on the grounds that it "teaches history." Are you kidding me? We've got three books shelves filled with books. There's a section of history books, most targeted specifically at juvenile readers, that is about a yard long. The kids want to learn history; fine we're going back to enforcing our increasingly ignored rules limiting technology usage so they have time to read a book.

I think I'll take my own advice now. I've been spending way too much time on this site. I love reading all the different view points, but time just slips away.

It's historical fiction. I actually learned a lot about the Borgia family and the early corrupt popes while playing AC: Brotherhood, which was neat. But you could learn all that from a book just as easily.


I have heard an actual historain say that some of the background stuff IS highly education and thatshort of taking a trip to colonial Williamsburg, you can't get a better feel for day to day life in colonial towns than what AC3 offers
 
2012-11-30 04:36:26 PM
Overall I thought the game was neutral to both sides but brought up the seriousness of the relations between the colonists and the natives. Didn't force it down my throat but it didn't sweep it under the rug with "AND THEY WERE BEST FRIENDS THE END".
 
2012-11-30 05:43:23 PM
I absolutely loved Connor as a character. His greatest flaw is that he is driven by his anger and ideals. All this evidence is placed before him that he might be fighting for the wrong side and he essentially hurts everyone he cares about in one way or another.

He just drags out his own suffering because he is stubborn. It's kind of awesome to watch.
 
2012-11-30 06:24:11 PM

SultanofSchwing:
Globe writer is probably also from Ontario, where most of their kids are stupid as shiat anyway.


Oh just seperate already. You Frogs get more annoying every year.
 
2012-11-30 06:32:34 PM
Did anyone else groan any time the game went back to Desmond for a section? His stuff mostly sucked ass.

It also sucked ass in AC:B, where I actually never finished the game, being in the vault and unable to complete the completely ass-farking retarded jumping puzzle (just not quick enough, did it like 40 times, nearly broke the controller at the end).

These games have the worst control schemes ever. It's like Ubisoft said "people loved the parkour and action in Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, so let's make it much more frustrating and make it hurt to keep pounding on the controller when your guy jumps at nothing or dies needlessly."

The bugs in AC3 were horrible. Get invited to another game while playing, and decline? It tells you to insert Disc 2, thinking you're going to multiplayer. You insert the disc begrudgingly and then it tells you to insert disc 1. You insert that disc and load the game, and "Insert Disc 2". You have to turn off the xbox or sign out of Live and back in in order to get it to stop that shiat.

One time I smacked a guy with my little wee axe from above and my guy flew 500 ft into the air, well outside the boundaries of the map. Funny as shiat, but what the hell?

Also, I did the Chase Charles Lee mission about 35 times before having to go to a walkthrough because it turns out you cannot go left even though going right looks like it's not an option.

I immediately gave the game to someone else upon completion.
 
2012-11-30 07:25:01 PM
Neither was 5th grade history.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:21 PM

Doogles4221: AC 3 really seems like four different well-done half games (Sailing; homestead missions; fetch quests; Main story) all put together, and not that well. I had no problem beating the story with never touching the Underground and hardly touching the homestead. Some of the individual sequences were extremly well done, and looked great, but it needed something else to be a truly great game.

Also: SPOILERS... SPOILERS So in the end, Desmond chose to save everyone by releasing a being of great power to rule over humanity. Isn't that exactly what the Templars always wanted, and the exact opposite of everything the Assassin's stand for.


The way I interpreted it: Not releasing her guaranteed the Earth would fall into a Templar-vision version of itself. By releasing her, he gives the other Assassins a chance to forestall it. So in a way, he preserves freedom even if there is a chance it fails.
 
2012-11-30 08:47:41 PM

mooseyfate: I enjoyed the final game, but it raises a lot of questions for me.

*SPOILER ALERT*

If Desmond's bloodline once crossed over to become a Templar, why? How? Did the "Assassin" legacy sort of fade out after Ezio retired? Or was he groomed for the Templar order by random chance? How did a tribe of Native Americans come into possession of an Apple of Eden, and why didn't the Templar order recognize that they A) needed it to access the first civ cave or B) make any efforts to recover the one possessed by Conner's tribe? I guess if they didn't know anything about it, that's fine, but the tribe's interactions with the Templar's even before Conner's birth makes it seem likely that they knew the tribe either had knowledge of the apple or possessed it outright. Unless it was just chance that a Templar aligned himself with this tribe.

It would also appear that the Assassin Order diminished greatly after the retirement of Ezio. I find it hard to believe that the only Assassin's in that conflict were you, Davenport, and your three apprentices. There may have been many people helping the Assassin's, but they didn't operate with the order on the same level as Sulieman or Davinci or the Medici did in previous games. The Assassins you do see are also so far removed from the quality of the old Assassin order that I honestly found them to be "unworthy" of the Assassin title. They weren't trained in the same fashion, they didn't possess hidden blades, you never see any kind of ceremony. It just seemed like they were Assassins by name only. I don't know, maybe that was the idea, considering the Assassin order is now practically a series of splinter cells with low numbers, but it they just seemed so...weak in AC3. At any rate, I enjoyed the hell out of the game and I can't wait to see where they go with the franchise. After the ship levels, I'd really love to see Ubisoft make a pirate game.


Uh, the game answered many of these questions. For example, Haytham decimated the Assassin Order in the New World in between the time he sired Connor and Connor met Achilles. Only Achilles survived.
 
2012-11-30 08:50:05 PM

HalEmmerich: Magorn: ut that ALL the Founding Fathers, more or less were techincially "Templars" because they were all Freemasons? And that it may well have been that Freemason connection that helped us Win the war? European officers who were critical to training the Continental Army into a legit fighting force, such as Lafayette and Von Stueben were all freemasons and joined the Revolution after Washington and other put out a direct appeal for assistance to the masonic lodges in Europe (and that the Revolution was seen by Freemasons as a sort of attempt to create a new nation founded on Masonic ideals of liberty and

Strangely enough, Masonry is just about the only conspiracy theory that AC doesn't opt to include in its mythos as part of the grand Assassin vs Templar war. They're brought up and dismissed directly in AC3 as the most unsecret secret society ever and just a bunch of guys in a club.


I liked that they did that because that's all they are in real life.

Yeah, I said it. Come at me, Flintchippers.
 
2012-11-30 10:18:18 PM

Freakman: Yeah, I said it. Come at me, Flintchippers.


i56.tinypic.com

OK. Where are you?
 
2012-11-30 10:40:17 PM
Pfft, of course it isn't! Everyone knows if you want an accurate history lesson from a vidyagame, you play Civ.
 
2012-12-01 12:10:02 AM

Jim_Callahan: Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.


That's only in the non-Canon "King Washington" DLC.

SPOILERS

From the way I interpreted it, The Templar conspirators originally start out on the side of the British, because they assume the British will win. Once the war swings decidedly in the favor of the Patriots, the Templars begin helping the Patriots. They don't really care who wins, as long as they have a seat at the table at the end of the war.

Killing John Pitcairn inadvertently prolongs the war.

Thomas Hickey only tried to assassinate George Washington because they thought Washington made a better martyr than a battlefield commander, not to help the British.

The other Templars try to kill Benjamin Church once they find out he was leaking Patriot intel to the British.

Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.
 
2012-12-01 12:46:47 AM

Sgt Otter: Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.


But Ben Franklin's conversation about sex with older women is hilarious.
 
2012-12-01 01:01:19 AM

Mentat: Sgt Otter: Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.

But Ben Franklin's conversation about sex with older women is hilarious.


Yup.
 
2012-12-01 01:07:13 AM

Freakman: Uh, the game answered many of these questions. For example, Haytham decimated the Assassin Order in the New World in between the time he sired Connor and Connor met Achilles. Only Achilles survived.


I spent many cutscenes distracted, which is why I usually play AC games multiple times, I'm always missing things.
 
2012-12-01 12:42:52 PM

Sgt Otter: Jim_Callahan: Iirc, George Washington is a Templar, i.e. one of the major villains of the series. Calling it America-worshiping does seem like the reviewer didn't even finish reading the promotional materials.

That's only in the non-Canon "King Washington" DLC.

SPOILERS

From the way I interpreted it, The Templar conspirators originally start out on the side of the British, because they assume the British will win. Once the war swings decidedly in the favor of the Patriots, the Templars begin helping the Patriots. They don't really care who wins, as long as they have a seat at the table at the end of the war.

Killing John Pitcairn inadvertently prolongs the war.

Thomas Hickey only tried to assassinate George Washington because they thought Washington made a better martyr than a battlefield commander, not to help the British.

The other Templars try to kill Benjamin Church once they find out he was leaking Patriot intel to the British.

Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, and George Washington are given very unflattering portrayals.


Regardless of the DLC, AC2, and the database entries in AC3, establish that Washington does acquire an Apple...but not until after the war the is over, DLC timeline or not. Hey, it's even right there on his scepter in the DLC promo image. I wonder if the DLC will address how he acquires it, or just drop you straight into the part after he decides he wants to be king... I don't think having the Apple necessarily makes him an Assassin or a Templar, he just was just given or found the thing, and in the normal timeline used it to help get America off the ground, and in the DLC used it to put himself in place as king.

Paul Revere was portrayed as an annoying jackass, and Washington as being a bit of a deceitful jerk, but I don't recall anything particularly negative about Franklin. The whole older women bit was an actual letter he wrote to a friend... and I don't really remember running into him more than once again as Conner.
 
2012-12-01 02:46:11 PM

Wayne 985: King Something: AC2 ended with a fistfight against the Pope in his secret underground lair beneath the Vatican...

You serious? I've never played these games. I may have to.

Phil Ken Sebben: poisonedpawn78: Because when Americans want history lessons they turn to video games and Hollywood!

To be fair, it's still probably more accurate than most public schools these days.

Not to get all righteous and serious, but our public schools are actually ranked as doing pretty well.


The secret underground layer was unlocked using the pope's magic tech staff. No joke.
 
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