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2012-11-30 06:59:59 AM
Hug it out!

i894.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 07:11:34 AM
Now that the news media has gotten hold of it, i'm sure both student are working with each other quite well now to play the role of victims in a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the school...
 
2012-11-30 07:13:01 AM
Once again, the "omg that could be seen as teh ghey" trumps intentions and logic that holding hands, peacefully, with your enemy, is a better solution to fighting than making you both not come to school for a few days, so you can gun each other down outside of school property...

Of course the latter is what the school district would preferred, their hands would be clean.
 
2012-11-30 07:13:40 AM
priceless i must say that the more of this that goes around the better. when are people going to realize violence is just stupid and proves you do not know how to handle yourself or are educated.
 
2012-11-30 07:14:47 AM

herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it.


Thanks for the chuckle....can't stop laughing.

Hawnkee: herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it. 

[i50.tinypic.com image 400x255]


OK, that pic just pushed it over the edge for me, now I really can't stop laughing.

\thanks a lot, you farkers
 
2012-11-30 07:18:06 AM

riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.


You really think a job related suspension without pay is similar to a child be suspended from school?
 
2012-11-30 07:29:53 AM

sexorcisst: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

You really think a job related suspension without pay is similar to a child be suspended from school?


I'm sorry but "3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.
 
2012-11-30 07:33:13 AM

Mitch Mitchell: I pay these people to have a positive influence on my kids, my neighbors kids, and some dude I've never met kid's. fark that.


ummm no.

you pay these people to educate your kids. when your kids act up / get out of line / whatever you want to call it, they should be punished as not to repeat the incident.
 
2012-11-30 07:35:54 AM

sexorcisst: John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe

That sounds incredibly in favor of the instigator. You bully on a fellow kid, he defends himself(like he should) and you are granted the reward with beating him up, for the second time, but with an audience.


www.madmaxmovies.com
/Two kids enter... one kid leave!
 
2012-11-30 07:40:57 AM

Rik01: Personally, I figure it's better than suspension. In my day, the principal would have paddled both with a wooden paddle or have them paddle each other and the parents would be informed.


i170.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 07:51:16 AM

riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.


I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.
 
2012-11-30 07:54:01 AM

HBK: wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou

All boys Catholic schools really were the best.

School was really self-policing in that manner. Kids respected most of the teachers. So if the teachers said to be quiet, you'd have the captain of the football or wrestling team saying "Shut up everybody!" I remember once a kid was being a real turd in class. The teacher (not a priest), said "okay guys, I'm going to shut the door and take a walk. When I come back, I would prefer it if he remained silent for the rest of class." Needless to say, that kid was quiet for the rest of the class and most of the semester.


If you slammed a door you carried the door the rest of the day
Hair too long: buzz cut, single stripe down the middle.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tribou#section_2
 
2012-11-30 07:59:53 AM

MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.


I agree. I would too. my point though is abuse of power is abuse of power. And as someone pointed out above - two girls fighting - "hold hands" "hug" "now smell her hair" "okay you are not suspended" "excuse me for a few minutes"
 
2012-11-30 08:16:44 AM

fusillade762: Hug it out!

[i894.photobucket.com image 506x316]


...biatch.
 
2012-11-30 08:18:09 AM
When we farked up in HS, our punishment was to take an after school "boxing lesson" with coach. Didn't dare biatch to my parents, because they knew that if you went for a "lesson" you did something wrong and deserved it.
Graduated '64
 
2012-11-30 08:22:06 AM
You know, instead of trying to protect kids from bullying, we should be showing them how to deal with it. Any kid who get picked on or teased should be forced to take karate or boxing by the school. Mandatory.
 
2012-11-30 08:30:05 AM
 
2012-11-30 08:33:42 AM

BullBearMS: [dl.dropbox.com image 500x371]


that never fails to crack me up
 
2012-11-30 08:38:29 AM
That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:48 AM
This kind of punishment may have destroyed their peer group interface dynamics, they may be scared for life.
 
2012-11-30 08:44:35 AM
The closest I got to being suspended was having to clean the school parking lot one lunch period. This douchebag made fun of my mom's cooking. I spat my porkchop sandwich at him, right in the face. In my mind,at the time, he deserved it, because he made fun of my mom, who was starting to really show the symptoms of Alzheimer's. (She was diagnosed that summer).


Luckily for me, I had played sports all my life with the guys in my high school. While I wasn't considered a true jock, they looked out for me, as did the rest of the school. The guy was disliked before, but I don't think anyone liked him after our fight, and they made sure to let him know it. No bullying, or anything physical, but the threat of "mess with him again, there will be trouble."

/csb
//sorry, really had nothing to do with the story
 
2012-11-30 08:50:46 AM
Coulda been worse.

i3.kym-cdn.com 

/seriously, it took this long?
 
2012-11-30 08:51:10 AM
Hold hands and turn in your man cards, boys.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:12 AM

riverwalk barfly: MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.

I agree. I would too. my point though is abuse of power is abuse of power. And as someone pointed out above - two girls fighting - "hold hands" "hug" "now smell her hair" "okay you are not suspended" "excuse me for a few minutes"


Well you cited example would be abuse of power, but I don't see how making them hold hands is. When I would get into fights with my brother, my mom would make us sit in the middle of the living room and hug. I did not like it, and the fights usualy stopped for a few weeks. Seems effective
 
2012-11-30 09:00:07 AM

James F. Campbell: That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.


My wife is Bi- has a gay best friend, and my sister is gay, so you know this statement isn't coming from some bigot:

Your statement is false and the sort of line of thinking that makes people hate liberals... This sort of statement is ignorant of human nature...

It's not forcing people to be gay or to even look gay... This situation would have been just as embarrassing had they been told to play with GI Joe toys with each other nicely while everyone stands around and points at them and laughs... It's making them do something together while everyone points and laughs that makes this situation embarrassing... It's the media spin on this situation that makes it seem like bigotry, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker...

This is a non-story spun to put controversy where there is none...

If holding hands is being gay, then you might want to tell the next group of guys standing and holding hands in a prayer circle... I'm sure they would like to know so they can come out of the closet...
 
2012-11-30 09:17:19 AM
geez .. from some of the reactions in here you would think the teacher asked them to wrap dongs together.

its hands people. you wont give teachers the authority to truely punish this is what they have to work with. So because you are a horrible parent doesnt mean your little snowflake makes it through life without a few life lessons along the way.
 
2012-11-30 09:17:43 AM
I hate to defend the administration but this is WHY you end up with zero tolerance, one size fits all punishment REQUIREMENTS. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING else you do will invairably piss someone off - they will be vocal about it and the school board will (understandably since they are politicians) side with the "upset" as they would hate to have someone vote or (the horror) run against them.
 
2012-11-30 09:18:29 AM
I'm confused by all of the people who instantly assumed the fight was due to bullying. Just because its high school doesn't mean that some poor little guy had finally had enough and fought back. They could have been friends who started arguing over anything (girls, sports, whatever) and it escalated into a fist fight. Teenage boys will fight over some really stupid shiat, that has absolutely nothing to do with being bullied. Just too much farking testosterone.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:28 AM

Hawnkee: herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it. 

[i50.tinypic.com image 400x255]


You both owe me a new keyboard.
 
2012-11-30 09:30:27 AM

MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.

I agree. I would too. my point though is abuse of power is abuse of power. And as someone pointed out above - two girls fighting - "hold hands" "hug" "now smell her hair" "okay you are not suspended" "excuse me for a few minutes"

Well you cited example would be abuse of power, but I don't see how making them hold hands is. When I would get into fights with my brother, my mom would make us sit in the middle of the living room and hug. I did not like it, and the fights usualy stopped for a few weeks. Seems effective


it's your brother. unless you are incestuous. not the same. I'm 48 and I will still hug my brother.
 
2012-11-30 09:36:27 AM
If you are straight and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality that you can hold hands with another man, or wear pink, or tongue kiss a man, then you aren't really all that straight.
 
2012-11-30 09:39:08 AM

trappedspirit: If you are straight and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality that you can hold hands with another man, or wear pink, or tongue kiss a man, then you aren't really all that straight.


I almost actually laughed out loud on this one.
 
2012-11-30 09:40:22 AM

wildlifer: If you slammed a door you carried the door the rest of the day
Hair too long: buzz cut, single stripe down the middle.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tribou#section_2


I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.
 
2012-11-30 09:43:49 AM

HBK: School was really self-policing in that manner. Kids respected most of the teachers. So if the teachers said to be quiet, you'd have the captain of the football or wrestling team saying "Shut up everybody!" I remember once a kid was being a real turd in class. The teacher (not a priest), said "okay guys, I'm going to shut the door and take a walk. When I come back, I would prefer it if he remained silent for the rest of class." Needless to say, that kid was quiet for the rest of the class and most of the semester.


...and the rest of the class was ready to be corporate grunts who took their $12 $10 $8.50 an hour and didn't say anything that would rock the boat.

/The "Good Ol' Days" are that for a reason.
//These will also be the "Good Ol' Days" in 20 years.
 
2012-11-30 09:44:37 AM

funzyr: trappedspirit: If you are straight and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality that you can hold hands with another man, or wear pink, or tongue kiss a man, then you aren't really all that straight.

I almost actually laughed out loud on this one.


i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 09:50:32 AM

Cyno01: Coulda been worse.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 662x974] 

/seriously, it took this long?


I came here for this.....
 
2012-11-30 09:50:58 AM
It is hard to find any story anymore where the extreme right doesn't start thinking about gay sex.
 
2012-11-30 09:56:24 AM
CSB: It was a busy night and the cops ran out of handcuffs, so they made us hold hands.
 
2012-11-30 09:57:01 AM

CeroX: James F. Campbell: That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.

My wife is Bi- has a gay best friend, and my sister is gay, so you know this statement isn't coming from some bigot:

Your statement is false and the sort of line of thinking that makes people hate liberals... This sort of statement is ignorant of human nature...

It's not forcing people to be gay or to even look gay... This situation would have been just as embarrassing had they been told to play with GI Joe toys with each other nicely while everyone stands around and points at them and laughs... It's making them do something together while everyone points and laughs that makes this situation embarrassing... It's the media spin on this situation that makes it seem like bigotry, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker...

This is a non-story spun to put controversy where there is none...

If holding hands is being gay, then you might want to tell the next group of guys standing and holding hands in a prayer circle... I'm sure they would like to know so they can come out of the closet...


Excellent point.

I find it interesting that neither of these boys was apparently embarrassed about the complete lack of self-control demonstrated by getting into a fight in the first place but, by choosing a punishment that allowed them to avoid suspension with the consequence that it brought a few minutes of haranguing from fellow students, is too humiliating to bear.
 
2012-11-30 10:03:44 AM

CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?

I was thinking the same thing....
 
2012-11-30 10:03:56 AM

styckx: A few others went as far as to say it sent a negative message to gay students because it portrayed hand-holding by two males to be embarrassing.

[i.imgur.com image 192x188]


Yes, can we, as a society, stop sending the message that there is nothing worse or lower than being gay, please? I don't have a problem with two students who were fighting being forced to hold hands. I have a problem with the occasion being used as an excuse to denigrate an entire group of people.
 
2012-11-30 10:05:30 AM

thewendyjx: priceless i must say that the more of this that goes around the better. when are people going to realize violence is just stupid and proves you do not know how to handle yourself or are educated.


That's not priceless. Priceless would be for the two hand-holders to collaborate in an FU to the administration by faking huge boners during the hand-holding.
 
2012-11-30 10:08:09 AM

impaler: Two East Valley high school students were forced to hold hands in front of their classmates as punishment for fighting. Now that punishment is drawing criticism.

The students at Westwood High in Mesa were apparently given the option to hold hands instead of being suspended.

At first I was like: "Ok, after fighting, they were giving the option of suspension, or holding hands - an act of friendship, bonding, getting past the disagreement... what's the big deal?"

"Kids were laughing at them and calling them names asking, 'are you gay,'"

Oh yeah. Homophobia. Forgot about that.


If the hand holding was going to be utilized, there should have been disciplinary measures in place for expressing homophobia. We don't let kids in school sling around racial slurs or refer to their female classmates as whores or biatches. It's a bit trickier with the "Are you gay?" question because it's possible to ask that in a serious, respectful way. but it's also possible to use the question in an insulting manner implying that there is something wrong with being gay.

Also, the kids did have a choice of punishments. They choice their path. I don't see a lot of room for griping.
 
2012-11-30 10:09:10 AM

CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?


No.
 
2012-11-30 10:11:33 AM

Publikwerks: You know, instead of trying to protect kids from bullying, we should be showing them how to deal with it. Any kid who get picked on or teased should be forced to take karate or boxing by the school. Mandatory.


Not all bullying is the same. There is the violent kind of bullying and kids should be taught to defend themselves, but most of it is psychological and kids should also be taught to deal with that. But it also needs to be understood that any unkind word is not something we need to freak out about.

Sometimes kids need to learn that not all people are nice. Although I was never physically assaulted there was a bully in my high school who one day started acting nice to me. Coincidentally it was the day he started his campaign to run for class president. lolwut? Really? Did he really think I was going to forget all that shiat just because he all of a sudden started acting nice to me? Uh, no. He lost the election and I got over the fact that he was an asshole.

So where do you draw the line? My answer is violence. If some kid is punching out another kid you punish the person throwing the punches. If some kid is being an asshole and making insulting verbal remarks you can call them out too, but you also should explain to the target of those attacks that it doesn't farking matter - the other person is the real asshole.
 
2012-11-30 10:12:22 AM

John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe


Both the article and your tale sound like something my old principal was known for doing. We had a lot of respect for the cigar-toting man. (He didn't smoke them anymore by the time I got there.) You didn't happen to go to a certain high school on Lee Avenue, did you?
 
2012-11-30 10:13:29 AM

Happy Hours: ThrobblefootSpectre: Headline: 2 Mesa students forced to hold hands

Article: 2 Mesa students given the option to hold hands

Yeah, it's not like the other option was to be suspended...Wait a minute - How bad is a suspension anyway? Isn't that like a short vacation?

Does it go on your "permanent record"? What if one of the students had wanted to hold hands but the other student didn't?

One thing that always pissed me off about getting detention in school was that I would be punished 3 times worse at home than the actual detention while most other kids parents seemed to think the school's punishment was enough.


If you hope to go to college, it can be a big deal. Suspension can take a kids grade point average apart. Policies vary, but few schools require all teachers to allow the students to do the work at home or make it up. And suspension often is listed on the transcript.
 
2012-11-30 10:15:14 AM
I don't understand why they're hiding their faces. Why not shrug it off and make a joke of it? Why show weakness?
 
2012-11-30 10:20:04 AM

wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou


Alum here, as well. The creative punishments were enough to keep me in line, mostly. Much better than "suspension" or some other BS I heard about from my other friends. Now I've got a family member on the faculty. Tribou's gone, but his spirit still roams the halls.
 
2012-11-30 10:20:50 AM

Fizpez: I hate to defend the administration but this is WHY you end up with zero tolerance, one size fits all punishment REQUIREMENTS. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING else you do will invairably piss someone off - they will be vocal about it and the school board will (understandably since they are politicians) side with the "upset" as they would hate to have someone vote or (the horror) run against them.


This is unfortunately the truth. And if people complain, the school administration (instead of telling them to kiss off because they are over-reacting) will fire the principal and send everyone else to anti-bullying training or something equally stupid.
 
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