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(ABC 15)   Two high school snowflakes were forced to hold hands in front of their classmates as punishment for fighting and now, it's getting criticism   (abc15.com) divider line 135
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2012-11-29 11:55:40 PM  
See, here's the problem. Zero-tolerance, no-interpretation, strict-penalty rules are utterly stupid and reflect a complete idiocy within the system whenever they end up being seriously considered.

But that's the problem. When school administrators are given responsibility for "creative problem solving," they come up with shiat like this. So the system's already there.
 
2012-11-30 12:10:22 AM  
A few others went as far as to say it sent a negative message to gay students because it portrayed hand-holding by two males to be embarrassing.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-30 12:14:57 AM  

Pocket Ninja: See, here's the problem. Zero-tolerance, no-interpretation, strict-penalty rules are utterly stupid and reflect a complete idiocy within the system whenever they end up being seriously considered.

But that's the problem. When school administrators are given responsibility for "creative problem solving," they come up with shiat like this. So the system's already there.


Positions of power attract the people least suited to hold power. Similar phenomenon with positions requiring judgement. So, years of failed judgement led to zero-tolerance policies.

fwiw -I dont mind this type of practice where two choices are offered.
 
2012-11-30 12:18:31 AM  
Yeah, this was a bad idea. Making two boys hold hands is going to go over like a lead balloon in Mormon Mesa, AZ.
 
2012-11-30 02:12:19 AM  
Two East Valley high school students were forced to hold hands in front of their classmates as punishment for fighting. Now that punishment is drawing criticism.

The students at Westwood High in Mesa were apparently given the option to hold hands instead of being suspended.


At first I was like: "Ok, after fighting, they were giving the option of suspension, or holding hands - an act of friendship, bonding, getting past the disagreement... what's the big deal?"

"Kids were laughing at them and calling them names asking, 'are you gay,'"


Oh yeah. Homophobia. Forgot about that.
 
2012-11-30 03:50:49 AM  

styckx: A few others went as far as to say it sent a negative message to gay students because it portrayed hand-holding by two males to be embarrassing.


They were wrestling!

img15.imageshack.us 

Love the IAWSIP crew for getting that shot.
 
2012-11-30 04:19:37 AM  
Sexual harassment. Sue the shiat outta the school, kiddos.
 
2012-11-30 04:19:53 AM  

impaler: Two East Valley high school students were forced to hold hands in front of their classmates as punishment for fighting. Now that punishment is drawing criticism.

The students at Westwood High in Mesa were apparently given the option to hold hands instead of being suspended.

At first I was like: "Ok, after fighting, they were giving the option of suspension, or holding hands - an act of friendship, bonding, getting past the disagreement... what's the big deal?"

"Kids were laughing at them and calling them names asking, 'are you gay,'"

Oh yeah. Homophobia. Forgot about that.


This has potential to upset so many people; it's beautiful.
 
2012-11-30 04:19:58 AM  
I'm imagining the Fark comments section from an alternate universe where the two students are girls. It's a fun thread.
 
2012-11-30 04:23:13 AM  
High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?
 
2012-11-30 04:30:40 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'm imagining the Fark comments section from an alternate universe where the two students are girls. It's a fun thread.


"Go ahead and hug. Now... now smell her hair..."
 
2012-11-30 04:31:16 AM  
dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-11-30 04:32:05 AM  
You act like children, you should be treated like children
 
2012-11-30 04:34:25 AM  
"I've been in ROTC and it's no different than some of the stuff you have to do there. It works."


Huh?

WTF are they doing in ROTC?
 
2012-11-30 04:35:45 AM  
1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.
 
2012-11-30 04:38:32 AM  
idonthaveaproblemwiththis.jpg
 
2012-11-30 04:49:52 AM  
I pay these people to have a positive influence on my kids, my neighbors kids, and some dude I've never met kid's. fark that.
 
2012-11-30 04:50:45 AM  
Headline: 2 Mesa students forced to hold hands

Article: 2 Mesa students given the option to hold hands
 
2012-11-30 04:51:18 AM  
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
 
2012-11-30 04:57:36 AM  

Happy Hours: "I've been in ROTC and it's no different than some of the stuff you have to do there. It works."


Huh?

WTF are they doing in ROTC?


I think they mean JROTC.
 
2012-11-30 04:58:47 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-30 05:22:40 AM  
They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe
 
2012-11-30 05:31:39 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Headline: 2 Mesa students forced to hold hands

Article: 2 Mesa students given the option to hold hands


Yeah, it's not like the other option was to be suspended...Wait a minute - How bad is a suspension anyway? Isn't that like a short vacation?

Does it go on your "permanent record"? What if one of the students had wanted to hold hands but the other student didn't?

One thing that always pissed me off about getting detention in school was that I would be punished 3 times worse at home than the actual detention while most other kids parents seemed to think the school's punishment was enough.
 
2012-11-30 05:32:30 AM  

John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe


That sounds incredibly in favor of the instigator. You bully on a fellow kid, he defends himself(like he should) and you are granted the reward with beating him up, for the second time, but with an audience.
 
2012-11-30 05:38:35 AM  
Is the fight or the handholding getting the criticism?
 
2012-11-30 05:38:46 AM  
If we leave out the tendentious erotic angle, if that is possible nowadays, hand-holding does symbolize forgiveness. Do not shake hands with someone you do not want to forgive.
 
2012-11-30 05:38:57 AM  
Personally, I figure it's better than suspension. In my day, the principal would have paddled both with a wooden paddle or have them paddle each other and the parents would be informed.

Today, that would get the principal tarred and feathered, ridden out of town on a rail, sued down to his underwear and loose his job as well as be damned in the national news.

The level of STUPID in the article by parents is annoying. Ridicule or direct action often is necessary to get a point through a teens thick skull.

In third or fourth grade, there was a class clown who was very disruptive and drove the teacher to distraction. Finally, having put up with it for months, she grabbed him, took some of that huge roll of drawing paper (like the left over rolls used in news papers) and snatched him up, turned the paper into a diaper, poked it on him over his cloths and made his wear it everywhere for the rest of the day.

She said if he was going to act like a baby, then he'd dress like one.

It kinda settled him down a whole lot after that.

Today, parents would demand that the teacher be taken out and shot and lawyers would be lining up at the school.

Us kids usually had other, more direct ways of dealing with harassment or disputes: a direct on punch in the mouth after school. Usually where no adults could see us. Occasionally there'd be some kid who'd start shiat, his victim would beat him to the ground and he'd pop up, too tired to fight but warn the kid it wasn't over.

Sometimes had had to get beaten down two or three times. I always suspected such kids were either more stubborn than mules or had the brains of a brick. Occasionally, one would pull a knife or use a rock and then get carted off to Reform School by the cops. We might read about them years later, after graduation, as they got arrested by the cops, or shot by someone or made jail their second home.

Intervention might have prevented that for those little psychopaths.
 
2012-11-30 05:43:03 AM  
Seriously? At my old high school if the two took it in good stride, and made a mockery out of it, they would've been revered by the student body.

Then again, people weren't beat-up for being gay at my school, so yeah.


/AFAIK, at least.
 
HBK
2012-11-30 05:52:50 AM  

video man: Seriously? At my old high school if the two took it in good stride, and made a mockery out of it, they would've been revered by the student body.

Then again, people weren't beat-up for being gay at my school, so yeah.


/AFAIK, at least.


I was just thinking that. If I were those kids, I'd be grinning from ear to ear at how ridiculous the whole thing was, not hiding my head in shame. But I guess I went to a different kind of high school.

These two have bonded over something now and probably won't want to fight again. I think it works.

I was given an option in high school of detention or eating an entire raw habanero in front of the class with no water. I ate the pepper, no problem. The problem arose when I forgot to wash my hands, then had to take a piss.
 
2012-11-30 06:00:15 AM  
I bet it sounded like the better option at first but humiliation(if they actually felt that way) is a pretty tough one to swallow at a young age.
 
2012-11-30 06:05:44 AM  
At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou
 
2012-11-30 06:14:31 AM  
Gee, if I'm gay I'd pick a guy I had a crush on and get in a fight with him. Maybe they can have them make out next.
 
HBK
2012-11-30 06:17:45 AM  

wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou


All boys Catholic schools really were the best.

School was really self-policing in that manner. Kids respected most of the teachers. So if the teachers said to be quiet, you'd have the captain of the football or wrestling team saying "Shut up everybody!" I remember once a kid was being a real turd in class. The teacher (not a priest), said "okay guys, I'm going to shut the door and take a walk. When I come back, I would prefer it if he remained silent for the rest of class." Needless to say, that kid was quiet for the rest of the class and most of the semester.
 
2012-11-30 06:20:47 AM  

sexorcisst: John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe

That sounds incredibly in favor of the instigator. You bully on a fellow kid, he defends himself(like he should) and you are granted the reward with beating him up, for the second time, but with an audience.


Yes, I see what you are saying, but it always seemed to be a couple of knuckleheads about the same age and size (turns out they were usually classmates or friends) involved as I recall. They both had to be willing to box or it was dealt with in another manor. Bullying wasn't really an issue at my school in those days either.
 
2012-11-30 06:25:44 AM  
Mmmm so a young boy in luv should start a punch of with the girl of his dreams.

I can see potential.

At least this way he gets waaay further than was likely.

Alas she would likely take the suspension (which seems an odd punishment for delinquent students, since they do not really want to be at school anyway.)
 
2012-11-30 06:26:01 AM  

John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe


Sounds Like Delaware daycare workers arrested after allegedly encouraging children to punch each other
 
2012-11-30 06:26:25 AM  
punch up - not punch of - though maybe the later can work :p
 
2012-11-30 06:27:49 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe

Sounds Like Delaware daycare workers arrested after allegedly encouraging children to punch each other


That link just broke the first two rules.
 
2012-11-30 06:36:12 AM  

John_David_Stutts: Yes, I see what you are saying, but it always seemed to be a couple of knuckleheads about the same age and size (turns out they were usually classmates or friends) involved as I recall. They both had to be willing to box or it was dealt with in another manor. Bullying wasn't really an issue at my school in those days either.


Another "manor"?

I got in trouble for a fight in high school - I was an unwilling participant. Some kid threw a rock at my car and I confronted him about it the next day. He attacked me. He was a lineman on the football team and weighed at least twice what I did. I never threw a punch - still got the same punishment. Funniest thing was when he told the principal "It was the camel that broke the straw's back". He wasn't too bright.

That was the 2nd to last fight I was ever in. I punched my roommate in the jaw when I was in college. He had drunk my bottle of rum. Short fight. We calmed down fairly quickly. No holding hands necessary. Still no cure for the empty bottle of rum...that bastard!
 
HBK
2012-11-30 06:36:52 AM  

John_David_Stutts: Yes, I see what you are saying, but it always seemed to be a couple of knuckleheads about the same age and size (turns out they were usually classmates or friends) involved as I recall. They both had to be willing to box or it was dealt with in another manor. Bullying wasn't really an issue at my school in those days either.


Yeah, it seems like the coaches or principal or whoever set that up would err against a size disparity unless the bully was the smaller guy.
 
2012-11-30 06:39:56 AM  
they shouldn't let the kids take pics. but i feel the same way if you're out partying etcetera. glad everyone didn't carry a camera/phone when i was young, screw that.
 
2012-11-30 06:41:15 AM  
Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it.
 
2012-11-30 06:42:34 AM  

HBK: John_David_Stutts: Yes, I see what you are saying, but it always seemed to be a couple of knuckleheads about the same age and size (turns out they were usually classmates or friends) involved as I recall. They both had to be willing to box or it was dealt with in another manor. Bullying wasn't really an issue at my school in those days either.

Yeah, it seems like the coaches or principal or whoever set that up would err against a size disparity unless the bully was the smaller guy.


It all depends what started it all and how serious it would be. It could have been some name calling or it could have been one guy banging his girlfriend. Hell, these days some goofnad might just sneak a blade into the ring.
 
2012-11-30 06:45:25 AM  
Jeez, drill sergeants did that to us at Ft Leonard Wood. Anybody in a fist-fight had to hold hands, sometimes all day. It cut down on fights a LOT.
 
2012-11-30 06:46:53 AM  

herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it.


www.wallpapername.com

ass to ass you say?
 
2012-11-30 06:48:18 AM  
So, back to sending them to jail instead?
 
2012-11-30 06:53:26 AM  

KrispyKritter: they shouldn't let the kids take pics. but i feel the same way if you're out partying etcetera. glad everyone didn't carry a camera/phone when i was young, screw that.


Sh*t yeah - none of us would ever be able to hold a 'respectable' position due to that one time you did .... something truly embarrassing but heaps funny to all watching.
 
2012-11-30 06:54:36 AM  
Back in my day we were tied to each other at the wrist, and each given a knife. Cut way down on repeat fighting.
 
2012-11-30 06:56:28 AM  

herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it.

 

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-30 06:56:43 AM  

sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.


Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.
 
2012-11-30 06:59:59 AM  
Hug it out!

i894.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 07:11:34 AM  
Now that the news media has gotten hold of it, i'm sure both student are working with each other quite well now to play the role of victims in a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the school...
 
2012-11-30 07:13:01 AM  
Once again, the "omg that could be seen as teh ghey" trumps intentions and logic that holding hands, peacefully, with your enemy, is a better solution to fighting than making you both not come to school for a few days, so you can gun each other down outside of school property...

Of course the latter is what the school district would preferred, their hands would be clean.
 
2012-11-30 07:13:40 AM  
priceless i must say that the more of this that goes around the better. when are people going to realize violence is just stupid and proves you do not know how to handle yourself or are educated.
 
2012-11-30 07:14:47 AM  

herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it.


Thanks for the chuckle....can't stop laughing.

Hawnkee: herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it. 

[i50.tinypic.com image 400x255]


OK, that pic just pushed it over the edge for me, now I really can't stop laughing.

\thanks a lot, you farkers
 
2012-11-30 07:18:06 AM  

riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.


You really think a job related suspension without pay is similar to a child be suspended from school?
 
2012-11-30 07:29:53 AM  

sexorcisst: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

You really think a job related suspension without pay is similar to a child be suspended from school?


I'm sorry but "3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.
 
2012-11-30 07:33:13 AM  

Mitch Mitchell: I pay these people to have a positive influence on my kids, my neighbors kids, and some dude I've never met kid's. fark that.


ummm no.

you pay these people to educate your kids. when your kids act up / get out of line / whatever you want to call it, they should be punished as not to repeat the incident.
 
2012-11-30 07:35:54 AM  

sexorcisst: John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe

That sounds incredibly in favor of the instigator. You bully on a fellow kid, he defends himself(like he should) and you are granted the reward with beating him up, for the second time, but with an audience.


www.madmaxmovies.com
/Two kids enter... one kid leave!
 
2012-11-30 07:40:57 AM  

Rik01: Personally, I figure it's better than suspension. In my day, the principal would have paddled both with a wooden paddle or have them paddle each other and the parents would be informed.


i170.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 07:51:16 AM  

riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.


I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.
 
2012-11-30 07:54:01 AM  

HBK: wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou

All boys Catholic schools really were the best.

School was really self-policing in that manner. Kids respected most of the teachers. So if the teachers said to be quiet, you'd have the captain of the football or wrestling team saying "Shut up everybody!" I remember once a kid was being a real turd in class. The teacher (not a priest), said "okay guys, I'm going to shut the door and take a walk. When I come back, I would prefer it if he remained silent for the rest of class." Needless to say, that kid was quiet for the rest of the class and most of the semester.


If you slammed a door you carried the door the rest of the day
Hair too long: buzz cut, single stripe down the middle.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tribou#section_2
 
2012-11-30 07:59:53 AM  

MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.


I agree. I would too. my point though is abuse of power is abuse of power. And as someone pointed out above - two girls fighting - "hold hands" "hug" "now smell her hair" "okay you are not suspended" "excuse me for a few minutes"
 
2012-11-30 08:16:44 AM  

fusillade762: Hug it out!

[i894.photobucket.com image 506x316]


...biatch.
 
2012-11-30 08:18:09 AM  
When we farked up in HS, our punishment was to take an after school "boxing lesson" with coach. Didn't dare biatch to my parents, because they knew that if you went for a "lesson" you did something wrong and deserved it.
Graduated '64
 
2012-11-30 08:22:06 AM  
You know, instead of trying to protect kids from bullying, we should be showing them how to deal with it. Any kid who get picked on or teased should be forced to take karate or boxing by the school. Mandatory.
 
2012-11-30 08:30:05 AM  
 
2012-11-30 08:33:42 AM  

BullBearMS: [dl.dropbox.com image 500x371]


that never fails to crack me up
 
2012-11-30 08:38:29 AM  
That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.
 
2012-11-30 08:42:48 AM  
This kind of punishment may have destroyed their peer group interface dynamics, they may be scared for life.
 
2012-11-30 08:44:35 AM  
The closest I got to being suspended was having to clean the school parking lot one lunch period. This douchebag made fun of my mom's cooking. I spat my porkchop sandwich at him, right in the face. In my mind,at the time, he deserved it, because he made fun of my mom, who was starting to really show the symptoms of Alzheimer's. (She was diagnosed that summer).


Luckily for me, I had played sports all my life with the guys in my high school. While I wasn't considered a true jock, they looked out for me, as did the rest of the school. The guy was disliked before, but I don't think anyone liked him after our fight, and they made sure to let him know it. No bullying, or anything physical, but the threat of "mess with him again, there will be trouble."

/csb
//sorry, really had nothing to do with the story
 
2012-11-30 08:50:46 AM  
Coulda been worse.

i3.kym-cdn.com 

/seriously, it took this long?
 
2012-11-30 08:51:10 AM  
Hold hands and turn in your man cards, boys.
 
2012-11-30 08:53:12 AM  

riverwalk barfly: MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.

I agree. I would too. my point though is abuse of power is abuse of power. And as someone pointed out above - two girls fighting - "hold hands" "hug" "now smell her hair" "okay you are not suspended" "excuse me for a few minutes"


Well you cited example would be abuse of power, but I don't see how making them hold hands is. When I would get into fights with my brother, my mom would make us sit in the middle of the living room and hug. I did not like it, and the fights usualy stopped for a few weeks. Seems effective
 
2012-11-30 09:00:07 AM  

James F. Campbell: That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.


My wife is Bi- has a gay best friend, and my sister is gay, so you know this statement isn't coming from some bigot:

Your statement is false and the sort of line of thinking that makes people hate liberals... This sort of statement is ignorant of human nature...

It's not forcing people to be gay or to even look gay... This situation would have been just as embarrassing had they been told to play with GI Joe toys with each other nicely while everyone stands around and points at them and laughs... It's making them do something together while everyone points and laughs that makes this situation embarrassing... It's the media spin on this situation that makes it seem like bigotry, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker...

This is a non-story spun to put controversy where there is none...

If holding hands is being gay, then you might want to tell the next group of guys standing and holding hands in a prayer circle... I'm sure they would like to know so they can come out of the closet...
 
2012-11-30 09:17:19 AM  
geez .. from some of the reactions in here you would think the teacher asked them to wrap dongs together.

its hands people. you wont give teachers the authority to truely punish this is what they have to work with. So because you are a horrible parent doesnt mean your little snowflake makes it through life without a few life lessons along the way.
 
2012-11-30 09:17:43 AM  
I hate to defend the administration but this is WHY you end up with zero tolerance, one size fits all punishment REQUIREMENTS. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING else you do will invairably piss someone off - they will be vocal about it and the school board will (understandably since they are politicians) side with the "upset" as they would hate to have someone vote or (the horror) run against them.
 
2012-11-30 09:18:29 AM  
I'm confused by all of the people who instantly assumed the fight was due to bullying. Just because its high school doesn't mean that some poor little guy had finally had enough and fought back. They could have been friends who started arguing over anything (girls, sports, whatever) and it escalated into a fist fight. Teenage boys will fight over some really stupid shiat, that has absolutely nothing to do with being bullied. Just too much farking testosterone.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:28 AM  

Hawnkee: herrDrFarkenstein: Hand holding, meh. Back in my day if you were caught fighting you and the others had to go ass to ass in front of the whole school. Young men, women, gangs, it didn't matter. The point was you had to show a new found sense of intimacy and forgiveness, and you had better do it with a hard slapping sound and some visible froth or you'd just have to try again the next day. That's the way it was, and we liked it. 

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You both owe me a new keyboard.
 
2012-11-30 09:30:27 AM  

MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: MythDragon: riverwalk barfly: sexorcisst: 1-They volunteered.
2-If it was so humiliating, take punitive action on the homosexual slurs from the other students.
3-That is life. Shielding youth from name calling, does not help. Teach them to deal with it.

Sure. Your boss gives you a choice - you are suspended without pay or you can volunteer to hold hands with your coworker that you were arguing with.

I'd take the hand holding and thank him for the chance not to be suspended.

I agree. I would too. my point though is abuse of power is abuse of power. And as someone pointed out above - two girls fighting - "hold hands" "hug" "now smell her hair" "okay you are not suspended" "excuse me for a few minutes"

Well you cited example would be abuse of power, but I don't see how making them hold hands is. When I would get into fights with my brother, my mom would make us sit in the middle of the living room and hug. I did not like it, and the fights usualy stopped for a few weeks. Seems effective


it's your brother. unless you are incestuous. not the same. I'm 48 and I will still hug my brother.
 
2012-11-30 09:36:27 AM  
If you are straight and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality that you can hold hands with another man, or wear pink, or tongue kiss a man, then you aren't really all that straight.
 
2012-11-30 09:39:08 AM  

trappedspirit: If you are straight and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality that you can hold hands with another man, or wear pink, or tongue kiss a man, then you aren't really all that straight.


I almost actually laughed out loud on this one.
 
2012-11-30 09:40:22 AM  

wildlifer: If you slammed a door you carried the door the rest of the day
Hair too long: buzz cut, single stripe down the middle.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tribou#section_2


I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.
 
2012-11-30 09:43:49 AM  

HBK: School was really self-policing in that manner. Kids respected most of the teachers. So if the teachers said to be quiet, you'd have the captain of the football or wrestling team saying "Shut up everybody!" I remember once a kid was being a real turd in class. The teacher (not a priest), said "okay guys, I'm going to shut the door and take a walk. When I come back, I would prefer it if he remained silent for the rest of class." Needless to say, that kid was quiet for the rest of the class and most of the semester.


...and the rest of the class was ready to be corporate grunts who took their $12 $10 $8.50 an hour and didn't say anything that would rock the boat.

/The "Good Ol' Days" are that for a reason.
//These will also be the "Good Ol' Days" in 20 years.
 
2012-11-30 09:44:37 AM  

funzyr: trappedspirit: If you are straight and you aren't comfortable enough with your own sexuality that you can hold hands with another man, or wear pink, or tongue kiss a man, then you aren't really all that straight.

I almost actually laughed out loud on this one.


i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 09:50:32 AM  

Cyno01: Coulda been worse.

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/seriously, it took this long?


I came here for this.....
 
2012-11-30 09:50:58 AM  
It is hard to find any story anymore where the extreme right doesn't start thinking about gay sex.
 
2012-11-30 09:56:24 AM  
CSB: It was a busy night and the cops ran out of handcuffs, so they made us hold hands.
 
2012-11-30 09:57:01 AM  

CeroX: James F. Campbell: That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.

My wife is Bi- has a gay best friend, and my sister is gay, so you know this statement isn't coming from some bigot:

Your statement is false and the sort of line of thinking that makes people hate liberals... This sort of statement is ignorant of human nature...

It's not forcing people to be gay or to even look gay... This situation would have been just as embarrassing had they been told to play with GI Joe toys with each other nicely while everyone stands around and points at them and laughs... It's making them do something together while everyone points and laughs that makes this situation embarrassing... It's the media spin on this situation that makes it seem like bigotry, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker...

This is a non-story spun to put controversy where there is none...

If holding hands is being gay, then you might want to tell the next group of guys standing and holding hands in a prayer circle... I'm sure they would like to know so they can come out of the closet...


Excellent point.

I find it interesting that neither of these boys was apparently embarrassed about the complete lack of self-control demonstrated by getting into a fight in the first place but, by choosing a punishment that allowed them to avoid suspension with the consequence that it brought a few minutes of haranguing from fellow students, is too humiliating to bear.
 
2012-11-30 10:03:44 AM  

CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?

I was thinking the same thing....
 
2012-11-30 10:03:56 AM  

styckx: A few others went as far as to say it sent a negative message to gay students because it portrayed hand-holding by two males to be embarrassing.

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Yes, can we, as a society, stop sending the message that there is nothing worse or lower than being gay, please? I don't have a problem with two students who were fighting being forced to hold hands. I have a problem with the occasion being used as an excuse to denigrate an entire group of people.
 
2012-11-30 10:05:30 AM  

thewendyjx: priceless i must say that the more of this that goes around the better. when are people going to realize violence is just stupid and proves you do not know how to handle yourself or are educated.


That's not priceless. Priceless would be for the two hand-holders to collaborate in an FU to the administration by faking huge boners during the hand-holding.
 
2012-11-30 10:08:09 AM  

impaler: Two East Valley high school students were forced to hold hands in front of their classmates as punishment for fighting. Now that punishment is drawing criticism.

The students at Westwood High in Mesa were apparently given the option to hold hands instead of being suspended.

At first I was like: "Ok, after fighting, they were giving the option of suspension, or holding hands - an act of friendship, bonding, getting past the disagreement... what's the big deal?"

"Kids were laughing at them and calling them names asking, 'are you gay,'"

Oh yeah. Homophobia. Forgot about that.


If the hand holding was going to be utilized, there should have been disciplinary measures in place for expressing homophobia. We don't let kids in school sling around racial slurs or refer to their female classmates as whores or biatches. It's a bit trickier with the "Are you gay?" question because it's possible to ask that in a serious, respectful way. but it's also possible to use the question in an insulting manner implying that there is something wrong with being gay.

Also, the kids did have a choice of punishments. They choice their path. I don't see a lot of room for griping.
 
2012-11-30 10:09:10 AM  

CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?


No.
 
2012-11-30 10:11:33 AM  

Publikwerks: You know, instead of trying to protect kids from bullying, we should be showing them how to deal with it. Any kid who get picked on or teased should be forced to take karate or boxing by the school. Mandatory.


Not all bullying is the same. There is the violent kind of bullying and kids should be taught to defend themselves, but most of it is psychological and kids should also be taught to deal with that. But it also needs to be understood that any unkind word is not something we need to freak out about.

Sometimes kids need to learn that not all people are nice. Although I was never physically assaulted there was a bully in my high school who one day started acting nice to me. Coincidentally it was the day he started his campaign to run for class president. lolwut? Really? Did he really think I was going to forget all that shiat just because he all of a sudden started acting nice to me? Uh, no. He lost the election and I got over the fact that he was an asshole.

So where do you draw the line? My answer is violence. If some kid is punching out another kid you punish the person throwing the punches. If some kid is being an asshole and making insulting verbal remarks you can call them out too, but you also should explain to the target of those attacks that it doesn't farking matter - the other person is the real asshole.
 
2012-11-30 10:12:22 AM  

John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe


Both the article and your tale sound like something my old principal was known for doing. We had a lot of respect for the cigar-toting man. (He didn't smoke them anymore by the time I got there.) You didn't happen to go to a certain high school on Lee Avenue, did you?
 
2012-11-30 10:13:29 AM  

Happy Hours: ThrobblefootSpectre: Headline: 2 Mesa students forced to hold hands

Article: 2 Mesa students given the option to hold hands

Yeah, it's not like the other option was to be suspended...Wait a minute - How bad is a suspension anyway? Isn't that like a short vacation?

Does it go on your "permanent record"? What if one of the students had wanted to hold hands but the other student didn't?

One thing that always pissed me off about getting detention in school was that I would be punished 3 times worse at home than the actual detention while most other kids parents seemed to think the school's punishment was enough.


If you hope to go to college, it can be a big deal. Suspension can take a kids grade point average apart. Policies vary, but few schools require all teachers to allow the students to do the work at home or make it up. And suspension often is listed on the transcript.
 
2012-11-30 10:15:14 AM  
I don't understand why they're hiding their faces. Why not shrug it off and make a joke of it? Why show weakness?
 
2012-11-30 10:20:04 AM  

wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou


Alum here, as well. The creative punishments were enough to keep me in line, mostly. Much better than "suspension" or some other BS I heard about from my other friends. Now I've got a family member on the faculty. Tribou's gone, but his spirit still roams the halls.
 
2012-11-30 10:20:50 AM  

Fizpez: I hate to defend the administration but this is WHY you end up with zero tolerance, one size fits all punishment REQUIREMENTS. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING else you do will invairably piss someone off - they will be vocal about it and the school board will (understandably since they are politicians) side with the "upset" as they would hate to have someone vote or (the horror) run against them.


This is unfortunately the truth. And if people complain, the school administration (instead of telling them to kiss off because they are over-reacting) will fire the principal and send everyone else to anti-bullying training or something equally stupid.
 
2012-11-30 10:22:26 AM  
I used to try to come up with subtle psychological explanations for the popularity of teen supernatural fiction - the zombie and vampire books and movies were a response to various anxieties; fear of mortality, fear of anonymity, etc.

Lately I'm thinking teenagers just really identify with brainless parasites.
 
2012-11-30 10:34:05 AM  

Lunaville: They choice their path.


I might as well have dropped out of school. My ability to communicate in standard English has fallen off a cliff.
 
2012-11-30 10:36:23 AM  
Is it just me or are we becoming a Nation of pansies? I see story after story of "I was offended" "I was embraced" "I was bullied" "I was harassed". What happened to intestinal fortitude?
 
2012-11-30 10:37:12 AM  

for good or for awesome: I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.


I'm curious, because I went to school for four years with this man in charge... why do you feel that way?

You're making uninformed and hateful comments about a man who was loved by his students. Whole families of boys, and multiple generations of students studied at his school. But please, tell me why you think he was dangerous to children.
 
2012-11-30 10:46:42 AM  
They said if Obama got reelected they'd force everyone to be gay. Libtards swore that wasn't true, yet here we are.
 
2012-11-30 10:46:47 AM  

HBK: These two have bonded over something now and probably won't want to fight again. I think it works.


Or one of them will think they have a connection, but the other will leave his love unrequited. The spurned hand-holder will grow resentful, and eventually there will be a bloodbath.
 
2012-11-30 10:52:35 AM  

Publikwerks: You know, instead of trying to protect kids from bullying, we should be showing them how to deal with it. Any kid who get picked on or teased should be forced to take karate or boxing by the school. Mandatory.


Ya, but what do we do when they start playing Knifey Spooney?
 
2012-11-30 10:59:42 AM  
When you teach kids not to fight, you're supposed to have a more mature response than 'tee-hee I can make you hold hands now kiss and make up tee-hee!'.

/*facedesk*
//Seriously, what on Earth happened to a good old-fashioned detention.
 
2012-11-30 11:00:55 AM  
I wonder if there will be a follow up article if this results in a reduction of fighting in school?
 
2012-11-30 11:06:03 AM  

for good or for awesome: I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.


I checked it out too. What the fark are you talking about?
 
2012-11-30 11:07:09 AM  

macadamnut: for good or for awesome: I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.

I checked it out too. What the fark are you talking about?


Wait, you just trolled me, didn't you? Crap.
 
2012-11-30 11:13:26 AM  
Oh, noes! Holding hands causes the ghez! Our schools are promoting the homosexual agenda desigused as discipline! They should have given them boxing gloves instead!

Let me tell you a true story about holding hands.

When I was a little boy I had a friend named Raymond and we used to walk around the schoolyard holding hands during recess and lunch. We weren't into sports or marbles that much and it was something to do. This stopped, however, when the big kids started picking on us and asking us if we were homos.

It didn't help when I replied that we were Homo sapiens because the big kids didn't know what that meant because they were dumb as half a brick.

Eventually, I shamefully gave up holding hands with Raymond and dumped him to avoid public censure by idjits.

Years later I saw him again and he was fat, poor and dumb.

The big kids may well have saved me from gay-marrying a fat, dumb guy I went to elementary school with.

So remember this when people mock and laugh at you: they're right to mock and laugh at you. It's for your own good.

Of course, this is only true if they are liberal Democrats or NDPers. If they are conservative Republicans or Tories or so-called "Liberals" they are probably fat, dumb and the ghey. Pay them no mind. You always regret the stupid things you didn't do, not the stupid things you did. I could have held hands with Raymond for at least a few more months before getting tired of him and dumping him on my own.

It wouldn't have made any difference any way, because they call you the ghey if you can read at or above the grade level. I could read at a university level before I left that school for the magnet Junior High so dumping Raymond did me no good at all.
 
2012-11-30 11:15:57 AM  
It's wrong to make people feel shame at bad decision-making.

Besides, these boys weren't fighting each other - they were fighting their own repressed, homo-erotic fantasies and tendencies.
 
2012-11-30 11:19:19 AM  

Frederick: Pocket Ninja: See, here's the problem. Zero-tolerance, no-interpretation, strict-penalty rules are utterly stupid and reflect a complete idiocy within the system whenever they end up being seriously considered.

But that's the problem. When school administrators are given responsibility for "creative problem solving," they come up with shiat like this. So the system's already there.

Positions of power attract the people least suited to hold power. Similar phenomenon with positions requiring judgement. So, years of failed judgement led to zero-tolerance policies.

fwiw -I dont mind this type of practice where two choices are offered.


Socrates said, in Plato's Republic, that the most fit to lead would never want the job - the least fit to lead are those who clamour (pay money, anyone?) for the position. Think of how much any elected official pays to secure the position. The truly fit would be hard-pressed to take that same job and would do it solely for altruism.
 
2012-11-30 11:20:16 AM  

CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?


25, then it switches to "precious plucked flower".
 
2012-11-30 11:22:14 AM  
A few others went as far as to say it sent a negative message to gay students because it portrayed hand-holding by two males to be embarrassing.

But this was a choice on the part of the two boys, unlike being gay.

/teachable moment
 
2012-11-30 11:30:04 AM  
Later that same evening, they gave each other reach-arounds....
 
2012-11-30 11:45:57 AM  

rolladuck: wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou

Alum here, as well. The creative punishments were enough to keep me in line, mostly. Much better than "suspension" or some other BS I heard about from my other friends. Now I've got a family member on the faculty. Tribou's gone, but his spirit still roams the halls.


bullshiat. do you want some sadistic man that has never had any ass (male or female, I don't care) disciplining your child?

/All boys Catholic school
// Father Haby during confession - " how often do you masturbate?"
///it's easy when you are in charge
//// but if that's how you want to raise your children
// bitter? yes.
// lots of slashies
 
2012-11-30 12:01:30 PM  

Fullbug: CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?
I was thinking the same thing....


Considering kids are quite often staying with their parents until their mid twenties, I think snowflakes are forever now. It seems we are heading that way anyway
 
2012-11-30 12:03:13 PM  

for good or for awesome: wildlifer: If you slammed a door you carried the door the rest of the day
Hair too long: buzz cut, single stripe down the middle.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tribou#section_2

I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.


He made men out of us, I still respect him to this day.

We need more educators like him.

Go cry in your moms basement
 
2012-11-30 12:20:43 PM  
OK, I couldn't find the screenshot of them actually holding hands, but TFA made me think of this scene:

www4.picturepush.com

/nothing too obscure for Fark
 
2012-11-30 12:40:20 PM  
FTFA: One person commented, saying it encourages bullying because the kids were targeted for taunting and name-calling.

Totally agree with this assessment. The nature of the punishment is that these two kids will get picked on by everyone else. It's the very thing they're being punished for.
 
2012-11-30 01:15:39 PM  

sexorcisst: John_David_Stutts: They used to take us down to the gym at lunchtime and strap the boxing gloves on us when we were caught fighting. The entire student body, faculty, and administration would come watch a couple of us try to knock each others blocks off. When it was over we'd try and lift our tired arms and shake hands and that would be the end of it. Win or lose it was kind of humiliating to be part of a public battle, but it was better than the alternate punishment of a three day suspension. Punishment is not supposed to be easy. If it were, they'd have called it something else.

/and there was no long term damage
//unless you count cranial injuries maybe

That sounds incredibly in favor of the instigator. You bully on a fellow kid, he defends himself(like he should) and you are granted the reward with beating him up, for the second time, but with an audience.


I got into such a boxing match when I was in fourth grade. Fought the bully to a draw. He and I became best friends after the match.
 
2012-11-30 01:38:41 PM  
One of the comments from their thread I found interesting:

JohnFernelius
I don't understand why they're hiding their faces. Why not shrug it off and make a joke of it?

My answer to him is that this is the same as why youtube bullies feel powerful when they upload their fight videos, while when they are monitored by CCTV at school they are far less likely to bully.

The whole point of bullying is for the bully to feel a sense of control and power over a situation. If someone else is videoing them with the aim of taking away that sense of power, OF COURSE they are not going to like it at all.

///Just a note on homophobia- Can you imagine the uproar and outrage if Peter Jackson had filmed the REAL ending to Lord of the Rings? Frodo kisses Sam full on the mouth to say goodbye. ON THE MOUTH, people!!! Check the book if you don;t believe me.
 
2012-11-30 02:09:50 PM  

CeroX: James F. Campbell: That forcing two boys to hold hands as punishment is considered humiliating is in and of itself indicative of bigotry against homosexuality. That is the point that some of you seem to be missing.

My wife is Bi- has a gay best friend, and my sister is gay, so you know this statement isn't coming from some bigot:

Your statement is false and the sort of line of thinking that makes people hate liberals... This sort of statement is ignorant of human nature...

It's not forcing people to be gay or to even look gay... This situation would have been just as embarrassing had they been told to play with GI Joe toys with each other nicely while everyone stands around and points at them and laughs... It's making them do something together while everyone points and laughs that makes this situation embarrassing... It's the media spin on this situation that makes it seem like bigotry, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker...

This is a non-story spun to put controversy where there is none...

If holding hands is being gay, then you might want to tell the next group of guys standing and holding hands in a prayer circle... I'm sure they would like to know so they can come out of the closet...


didn't even read another comment after this one...i may not even read another comment on fark today

very very well-played.
 
2012-11-30 03:28:09 PM  
Boo-farkin'-hoo!


/ My heart bleeds.



//Sarcasm? What sarcasm?
 
2012-11-30 04:44:50 PM  
So it's an outrage because the school couldn't force them to get married and go on a honeymoon?
 
2012-11-30 05:25:22 PM  

CruiserTwelve: High school snowflakes? Aren't high schoolers a bit old to be snowflakes? Isn't there an age limit to being referred to as a snowflake?


I'm STILL a snowflake. Kinda melted a little now, but I'm still precious and sparkly. Up yours.

/totally kidding

brantgoose: When I was a little boy I had a friend named Raymond and we used to walk around the schoolyard holding hands during recess and lunch. We weren't into sports or marbles that much and it was something to do. This stopped, however, when the big kids started picking on us and asking us if we were homos.
It didn't help when I replied that we were Homo sapiens because the big kids didn't know what that meant because they were dumb as half a brick.


Oh brantgoose. You've always been a little different, haven't you?  If you feel that gay creeping up on you again, I'll help you out, if you know what I mean, and I think that you do.
 
2012-11-30 05:54:23 PM  

rolladuck: for good or for awesome: I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.

I'm curious, because I went to school for four years with this man in charge... why do you feel that way?

You're making uninformed and hateful comments about a man who was loved by his students. Whole families of boys, and multiple generations of students studied at his school. But please, tell me why you think he was dangerous to children.


I might have worded that a bit more harshly than intended.
I saw a couple punishments in there that I find problematic hugging pillars all night, bowls on heads, ,and encouraging kids to solve fights with more fighting.
I will admit after looking at the list again I'll retract my initial statement.
 
HBK
2012-11-30 06:01:03 PM  

IlGreven: ...and the rest of the class was ready to be corporate grunts who took their $12 $10 $8.50 an hour and didn't say anything that would rock the boat.

/The "Good Ol' Days" are that for a reason.
//These will also be the "Good Ol' Days" in 20 years.


Ah, so having respect for a likeable, underpaid teacher and wanting to learn is the same thing as being a corporate pawn?

You obviously did not benefit from a good high school education.
 
2012-11-30 07:30:38 PM  

CeroX: This sort of statement is ignorant of human nature


Well, I will trust to your superior first-hand experience in ignorance.
 
2012-11-30 07:33:03 PM  

wildlifer: At my high school if you where caught fighting, you had 2 choices:
1. Eat lunch together for a week, carrying each others books, and holding hands.
2. Senior football players take you and your new friend to the basement and let you box each other with 16 oz gloves for as long as you can.

/All boys Catholic school
// get caught smoking: smoke a Cuban
///RIP Fr. Tribou


Oh man, I would have opted for #2 every single time.
 
2012-11-30 08:29:07 PM  

Madame Psychosis: OK, I couldn't find the screenshot of them actually holding hands, but TFA made me think of this scene:

[www4.picturepush.com image 850x478]

/nothing too obscure for Fark


I came here to post this!

/can take a screencap for you if you really want the one with them holding hands.
 
2012-11-30 08:41:21 PM  
Many of you really, really don't get it. So, here's a take from this gay man, to show you why this is an extremely offensive course of action:

1) The message being sent is that being gay is an embarrassment. That 2 men holding hands is weird, deserving of derision. That is the exact message that leads to anti-gay bullying. Which leads to anti-gay suicides.

2) The message being sent is that doing something gay is a valid punishment. So not only is "acting" gay weird and comical, but it's also wrong. That reaffirms the attitudes that anti-gay bullies have.

3) The principal allowed these two students be verbally abused to the point a KID STAYED HOME from school to avoid the abuse, and did nothing. Now these two kids have become part of a NATIONAL topic. All because the principal's lack of common sense, and ignorance.

4) The principal allowed homophobic abuse sling from the mouths of these harassing students and did not call them out for their offensive language. Again, reaffirming a homophobic mentality, that harms LGBTQ children at this school and throughout this school district.

5) The principal did something completely out of line without thinking of the consequences. That shows a lack of decision making skills. A principal shouldn't so blatantly lack proper decision making skills and sense.


At the end of the day, people, stop being dense and saying this wasn't about homosexuality. It clearly was. It clearly was about this principal using homosexuality as a means to deride two children. That is appalling, and he needs to be fired.
 
2012-11-30 09:27:04 PM  

for good or for awesome: rolladuck: for good or for awesome: I checked out your link. That person should not be allowed near children and probably be confined or more accurately contained somewhere he will no longer be a threat to children.

I'm curious, because I went to school for four years with this man in charge... why do you feel that way?

You're making uninformed and hateful comments about a man who was loved by his students. Whole families of boys, and multiple generations of students studied at his school. But please, tell me why you think he was dangerous to children.

I might have worded that a bit more harshly than intended.
I saw a couple punishments in there that I find problematic hugging pillars all night, bowls on heads, ,and encouraging kids to solve fights with more fighting.
I will admit after looking at the list again I'll retract my initial statement.


Understood. To people who never had the opportunity to work with him, it's easy to assume that he was just another manipulative prick hiding behind a collar and the protection of a bishop. I will admit that there were a lot of people who have gone that way, and it's hard to find the few people who both love their job as educators, did it well, and stood above the rest of the crowd of people as a dignified, good human being. Father George W Tribou honorably and humbly stood above nearly everyone else in his career field. A few times he had to be creative and aggressive with his punishments but at no time did he do anything that crossed any legal lines, or would be unbalanced so as to attract undo shame upon the student. He always made sure the parents understood that they had the option to leave the school. (It was a Catholic school, enrollment was completely voluntary, and the public schools would always take a student from our school.) He would even make sure that no expelled student ever had "expulsion" on his transcript, it always stated the student's parents transferred him, ... with one notable exception.

Not many Christians know how to live a life like Christ told us. He knew. And he lived that life. I've got stories of how he changed my life that could fill a book. And years ago a few alumni and faculty wrote a book. You should be able to find it, I believe it's called "Proudly We Speak Your Name" referencing the first line of the Alma Mater.

Had he lived long enough, I would have sent any sons I had to him for education. I have a family member now that's on the faculty, so that will have to be good enough. I'm pretty sure it will be.
 
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