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2012-11-30 12:13:09 AM
9 votes:
Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.
2012-11-30 12:28:43 AM
4 votes:
I too, did a doubletake. Good job subs.
FTA: "Would you really feel that this facility, with all its maintenance issues, is the best place?" Levy asked.
Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.
2012-11-30 12:14:58 AM
3 votes:
The governor's office is asking for $840,000-and an additional $6 million or so over the next two fiscal years-to repurpose the former Fort Lyon Correctional Facility in Las Animas.

And cheap at six times the price. Good on you, governor.
2012-11-29 08:48:10 PM
3 votes:
This is an ou... Oh, not a bad idea at all. I hope they get the counseling they need, way too many people are homeless because they're lost their mibs.
2012-11-30 07:28:40 AM
2 votes:
Pretty good idea and the communal living will be like in living in the barracks. Some of the guys might need that kinda of camaraderie to get back on their feet. Place will probably be immaculate inside and out with all the GI parties and police calls on the grounds. As a vet myself, Im OK with this
2012-11-30 06:35:08 AM
2 votes:

Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA


Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.
2012-11-30 02:20:29 AM
2 votes:
I admit for about two seconds after reading the headline I was in 'THIS IS AN OUTRAGE' rev-up, but seconds 3-8 were more like 'Wait. Three hots and a cot. This could be a very good thing for many homeless vets.'

Then I read the article and it's even better than that.

"Democratic Sen. Mary Hodge asked about "push-back" from homeless veterans uninterested in moving to Bent County. Republican Rep. Cheri Gerou wondered whether Fort Lyon could be seen as a modern-day "pauper's prison."

You know what you do to avoid that? You don't lock the damn doors.

I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.
2012-11-30 01:13:13 AM
2 votes:

Mimic_Octopus: Spartacus Outlaw: This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.

they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.


The space is there, it's already partitioned, has cafeteria, recreation, housing and other facilities. It's set up to handle a transitional population; yet one that will be in place for extended periods. It's equipped to monitor that population and facilitate their training and movement back into society. And it has transportation access already in place for moving people and supplies in and out. Why NOT use it for housing the homeless?

The hard part won't get getting the homeless vets out there; it will be encouraging staff and other professionals to relocate out to BFE to provide services for them. Social workers are not going to want to live a thousand miles from nowhere to assist homeless vets, no matter how committed they are to the cause.
2012-11-30 12:42:54 AM
2 votes:
" This is old world is one big prison yard.
some of us are prisoners, some of us are guards."

Bob Dylan
2012-11-30 12:41:35 AM
2 votes:

Elmo Jones: Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.


As someone who owns a 160 year-old house and works in an 80 year-old building - labor usually isn't the only big cost factor for maintenance, material is also a big expense. If that complex has ten 60 year-old boilers, all the dedication in the world isn't going to fix them on the cheap.

Plus, as a state facility, they wouldn't be allowed to house people in a building that was fixed by crafty amateurs. There may also be union contracts to deal with, code violations that are seemingly benign but can't be ignored, etc.
2012-11-30 12:36:20 AM
2 votes:
All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.
2012-11-30 12:09:11 AM
2 votes:
i177.photobucket.com
2012-11-29 08:42:20 PM
2 votes:

cman: Ok, I chuckled


How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?
2012-11-30 12:10:25 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Happy Hours: I love living in Colorado, but if I ever am homeless I am definitely not going to be spending my winters here. Screw that - it's 38 degrees right now and this is a warm day./i>

38 degrees at ten til 8? The horror. I don't think there were 10 snowy days all of last winter along the front range. There was only one big snow storm. Granted, southeastern Colorado will probably be much nastier.


Well, I did say it was a warm day. Hey, it's up to 53 now. But while even 38 isn't going to kill you (probably) it's not very comfortable and I'd bet lots of money that there will be more than a few nights where the temperature drops into single digits and there will probably even be a couple of nights where it drops below zero.

I guess my point was that if I were homeless right now I sure as hell wouldn't be in Colorado. I'd be in Arizona - or Texas - or Southern California. Well, that and the fact that if we can spend billions of dollars a day playing war games in Afghanistan we probably should be able to give homeless people in our own country a roof over their heads and at least one meal a day.
2012-11-30 11:48:07 AM
1 votes:
The prison was closed last year because of a declining prison population.

WTF? This dude should run for President!
2012-11-30 11:27:11 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: That is one of the lamest anecdotes I've ever read.


The lame part is that I am actually very bad at putting up my own tent. That is compounded by the fact that I'm very short. So, I bring along a step ladder to use while putting up my tent. Typically, every other tent has been up for some time, while I struggle with mine. I end up with 10 to 15 children standing around staring and looking bemused. I end up wondering "Why do they allow me along on these trips?"
2012-11-30 09:59:23 AM
1 votes:

duffblue: All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.


It really hits home. Growing up, the word "veteran" always meant someone my parents' age (Vietnam) or grandparents (WWII). Now, seeing disabled vets younger than me, like you said, is sickening and heartbreaking. I hope once we wind down these wars for good (or at least a few years) we can put more money towards treating those vets and helping former military re-adapt to the civilian world.
gja [TotalFark]
2012-11-30 09:58:00 AM
1 votes:
This guy makes too much sense. Other politicians will probably have him shot.
2012-11-30 09:17:00 AM
1 votes:

snocone: A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.


AND the lives of your children and grandchildren.

But what the fark, let's all sing a cheery little ditty!

/whoopie
//and golly if it ain't all been worth it
///made this country what it is today
2012-11-30 09:02:38 AM
1 votes:

Day_Old_Dutchie: Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA

Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.


A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.
2012-11-30 06:11:20 AM
1 votes:
Won't see this in a recruiters office. Join the military and when you get out, you get to live in an old rotten smelly prison. Good times.
2012-11-30 04:02:30 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Food, shelter and amenities - you shiatting me?

I am no pro - but I did the best part of a year on the streets before I was old enough to enlist. I would have done it just for a daily shower.
2012-11-30 03:03:08 AM
1 votes:
government officials imprisoning homeless veterans? HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING!?

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2012-11-30 02:01:26 AM
1 votes:
The hard part won't get getting the homeless vets out there; it will be encouraging staff and other professionals to relocate out to BFE to provide services for them. Social workers are not going to want to live a thousand miles from nowhere to assist homeless vets, no matter how committed they are to the cause.

Social workers generally make shiat for pay and have to deal with knowing that they can't control most of the crap their clients have to deal with. Here they have a controlled atmosphere. If they offer more than $12/hour, will be flooded with applicants.
2012-11-30 01:47:41 AM
1 votes:
t3.gstatic.com

Knows a thing or two about abandoned prisons
2012-11-30 01:30:58 AM
1 votes:
Living on the ship was basically like prison, so the old navy vets will fill right at home.

Well, except I think people actually get sleep in prison.
2012-11-30 01:12:06 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Came here to say this. At first glance it seems like a great idea, and it may well work. But the residents at this place will have few options for interacting with the real world when they (presumably) start getting their shiat together. In addition to the weather sucking ass for several months of the year, there are only four tiny towns within an hour's bus ride, and the nearest thing that could be called a city (Pueblo) is at least 85mi away.

i.imgur.com


It certainly possible, if this facility succeeds its residents more than it fails them, that people living there could become contributing members of society in the little nearby burgs of Las Animas, La Junta, Rocky Ford and Lamar. But it's also likely that those towns will see trouble from this plan which could be hard for spread-thin county sheriffs to handle.

Still, given the relatively modest budget, it seems like it might be worth a shot.
2012-11-30 01:04:51 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!
2012-11-30 01:01:49 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Yeah but if you need a sex change, Trinidad is only 99 miles away.
2012-11-30 12:31:37 AM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.


Fort Lyon was a prison dedicated to old, mentally ill and transgendered inmates in the Colorado state prison system. It was closed because the recession made the state re-evaluate the money it spent on specialty prisons. Also, the rate of violent crime has been dropping since 1995, so there are less inmates overall.

So pot may have been part of it, but a very small part.
2012-11-30 12:29:10 AM
1 votes:
I do agree with some of the skepticism. Basically there are two categories of homeless people -- the temporarily homeless and the chronically homeless.

The chronically homeless are very difficult to manage this way as they may be actually incapable of getting back on their feet. Many of them already have options for shelter but choose to continue on the street -- they may not want to be in an institutional setting. Some of them are outright mentally ill. Many have severe alcoholism or drug habits. Some are paranoid, agoraphobic, or otherwise suspicious of people, government or institutions.

if it is full of people that are seriously mentally ill or with addictions then it does actually become a mental hospital of sorts, not the rehabilitation center imagined.
2012-11-30 12:18:10 AM
1 votes:
songwroter.com

dnrtfa
2012-11-29 11:03:48 PM
1 votes:
narwhaler.com
2012-11-29 09:48:10 PM
1 votes:

brap: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


Rambo has already fashioned a feces-dipped punji pit at the gov's doorway.
 
SUBBY DREW FIRST BLOOD!


I love you so much, Brap. ;-)
2012-11-29 09:17:09 PM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?



Rambo has already fashioned a feces-dipped punji pit at the gov's doorway.
 
SUBBY DREW FIRST BLOOD!
2012-11-29 08:56:14 PM
1 votes:
How is that cool.....oh.

Dammit, subby. OK, That was a good one. It' a good idea too.
2012-11-29 08:45:04 PM
1 votes:
I did an official double-take.

Well played, subby.
2012-11-29 08:33:14 PM
1 votes:
Ok, I chuckled
 
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