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2012-11-30 01:18:13 AM
No worries, No hurries. We only have to hold our breaths a little longer, this recession will abate, then all of these dudes will have well-compensated production jobs. Have a little faith in the mercantile system!
 
2012-11-30 01:19:46 AM
Your FACE is a homeless veteran!
 
2012-11-30 01:20:50 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!

Says the guy in Arizona. :-)


Says the guy (me) that grew up in western Kansas!
 
2012-11-30 01:22:43 AM

Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!

Says the guy in Arizona. :-)

Says the guy (me) that grew up in western Kansas!


That's God's country, He doesn't let it snow there.
 
2012-11-30 01:30:58 AM
Living on the ship was basically like prison, so the old navy vets will fill right at home.

Well, except I think people actually get sleep in prison.
 
2012-11-30 01:31:30 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!

Says the guy in Arizona. :-)

Says the guy (me) that grew up in western Kansas!

That's God's country, He doesn't let it snow there.


Just Angel shiat, but some times they eat to much. Two day blizzard, no electricity for three weeks, feeding cattle from a NG Helo.

Good times! Good Times!
 
2012-11-30 01:47:41 AM
t3.gstatic.com

Knows a thing or two about abandoned prisons
 
2012-11-30 02:01:26 AM
The hard part won't get getting the homeless vets out there; it will be encouraging staff and other professionals to relocate out to BFE to provide services for them. Social workers are not going to want to live a thousand miles from nowhere to assist homeless vets, no matter how committed they are to the cause.

Social workers generally make shiat for pay and have to deal with knowing that they can't control most of the crap their clients have to deal with. Here they have a controlled atmosphere. If they offer more than $12/hour, will be flooded with applicants.
 
2012-11-30 02:01:46 AM

Bathia_Mapes: How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


Fine, I'll glance at it.

something something veterans something something prison something something Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper.

HURRRR TYPICAL DEMMYCRAT, WHY DOESN'T HE GO MAKE OUT WITH JANE FONDA WHILE HE'S AT IT
 
2012-11-30 02:19:45 AM

R.A.Danny: Oh, not a bad idea at all. I hope they get the counseling they need, way too many people are homeless because they're lost their mibs.


There is nothing out there, no possibility for jobs if they try to get back on their feet. They will get the feeling that they are being stuck out in southeastern Colorado to be forgotten about.
 
2012-11-30 02:20:29 AM
I admit for about two seconds after reading the headline I was in 'THIS IS AN OUTRAGE' rev-up, but seconds 3-8 were more like 'Wait. Three hots and a cot. This could be a very good thing for many homeless vets.'

Then I read the article and it's even better than that.

"Democratic Sen. Mary Hodge asked about "push-back" from homeless veterans uninterested in moving to Bent County. Republican Rep. Cheri Gerou wondered whether Fort Lyon could be seen as a modern-day "pauper's prison."

You know what you do to avoid that? You don't lock the damn doors.

I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.
 
2012-11-30 02:28:51 AM

wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.


No shiat - there are only 3 people on death row here.

It's okay - half of you think I should be on death row.
 
2012-11-30 02:31:41 AM

ladyfortuna: I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.


Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.
 
2012-11-30 02:33:08 AM

Happy Hours: wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.

No shiat - there are only 3 people on death row here.

It's okay - half of you think I should be on death row.


Maybe we should only kill half of you in order to come to a compromise? Which part of yourself do you like the best, your top half or bottom half? :)
 
2012-11-30 02:48:23 AM

Mimic_Octopus: they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.


What homeless shelter in Portland has penthouses, balconies and rooftop gardens? Are you talking about the Bud Clark Commons in Old Town, which definitely is not the middle of Downtown, which has none of those features?
 
2012-11-30 02:57:44 AM
That's socialism! Don't they have straps on their Army boots they can pull up by themselves?
 
2012-11-30 03:02:07 AM

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?

It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block Base - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.


FTFY. It's the my old QA tic coming back and haunting me.
 
2012-11-30 03:03:08 AM
government officials imprisoning homeless veterans? HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING!?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-30 03:03:48 AM

davidphogan: Mimic_Octopus: they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.

What homeless shelter in Portland has penthouses, balconies and rooftop gardens? Are you talking about the Bud Clark Commons in Old Town, which definitely is not the middle of Downtown, which has none of those features?


Yeah, I was wondering wtf he was talking about, as well. Maybe something in Portland, ME?
 
2012-11-30 03:17:37 AM
Large percentages of homeless cost the state less to feed and house than remain homeless.

But unlike veterans we tell ourselves they don't deserve help and/or doing so would somehow incentivise people to become homeless for that sweet gravy train. They'd have the sweet life: tv, a roof, a bed, and a couple meals a day. What a nightmare it would be if a few lazy and unambitous snuck in alongside the actual homeless for a piece of that heaven eh?
 
2012-11-30 03:26:07 AM

duffblue: All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.

Yes it is.
and I'll leave it at that.
 
2012-11-30 03:49:32 AM
Well played, submitter, well played.
 
2012-11-30 04:02:30 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Food, shelter and amenities - you shiatting me?

I am no pro - but I did the best part of a year on the streets before I was old enough to enlist. I would have done it just for a daily shower.
 
2012-11-30 04:18:32 AM
If it works (and I hope it does actually), it's certainly a step in the right direction. Some of these people get treated like they belong in prison anyway which is completely absurd. It'd be great to see something actually come of the facilities rather than future episodes of Ghost Jocks.
 
2012-11-30 06:11:20 AM
Won't see this in a recruiters office. Join the military and when you get out, you get to live in an old rotten smelly prison. Good times.
 
2012-11-30 06:35:08 AM

Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA


Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.
 
2012-11-30 07:17:39 AM
Good job subby!

I hope this place works, it would be great to see a larger facility where they can give real help to homeless.
 
2012-11-30 07:23:04 AM

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


I didn't read TFA and just assumed it was an old prison being retasked to house homeless people. I'd expect a thread about people actually locking homeless veterans up to have WAY more traffic.
 
2012-11-30 07:28:40 AM
Pretty good idea and the communal living will be like in living in the barracks. Some of the guys might need that kinda of camaraderie to get back on their feet. Place will probably be immaculate inside and out with all the GI parties and police calls on the grounds. As a vet myself, Im OK with this
 
2012-11-30 07:38:06 AM

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?

It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.


But that's not important right now...
 
2012-11-30 07:41:23 AM
Seems way too intelligent...kinda waiting for an ACME anvil
 
2012-11-30 07:42:49 AM
I don't have a problem with this - they shouldn't restrict it to veterans though. There's no reason anyone in the US should have to sleep on the street or go hungry.

I love living in Colorado, but if I ever am homeless I am definitely not going to be spending my winters here. Screw that - it's 38 degrees right now and this is a warm day. Before the end of the year, I'm sure there will be zero degree days and probably even negative degree days.
 
2012-11-30 07:46:49 AM
tvdinnerandamovie.files.wordpress.com
Who is gonna clean out the zombies first?
 
2012-11-30 07:59:51 AM
Considering I was watching the police ticket and arrest homeless panhandlers earlier this week (and I live in Colorado), I think this is a good idea. It's the start of a positive response to the homeless issue.
 
2012-11-30 08:47:57 AM

HotWingAgenda: And they didn't really explain how these hordes of hungry hungry hobos are supposed to get there.



Boxcars.

www.nowtheendbegins.com

Use regular trains to transport them to the rail yards.
images2.bridgemanart.com
Then they can change trains, so boxcars can carry them to their final destination.


/be sure and use REGULAR TRAINS ONLY for any photo-ops
 
2012-11-30 09:02:38 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA

Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.


A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:10 AM
Read headline, saw tag, was curious as to wether subby dun goofed odds retarded

/was pleasantly surprised by the story
//possible hero tag?
///way to go for governor having a brain and using the prisons for the right reasons
 
2012-11-30 09:10:43 AM

snocone: Day_Old_Dutchie: Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA

Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.

A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.


and a libby politician will treat you like shiat afterwards for protecting their right to treat you like shiat when you're done protecting our freedom
 
2012-11-30 09:15:16 AM
Started reading, expecting this;
1.bp.blogspot.com

Came away pleased.

\hot
 
2012-11-30 09:17:00 AM

snocone: A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.


AND the lives of your children and grandchildren.

But what the fark, let's all sing a cheery little ditty!

/whoopie
//and golly if it ain't all been worth it
///made this country what it is today
 
2012-11-30 09:34:51 AM

Druid5: Started reading, expecting this;


Came away pleased.

\hot


Was the first time I saw James Cromwell as an actor was on that episode.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-11-30 09:58:00 AM
This guy makes too much sense. Other politicians will probably have him shot.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:23 AM

duffblue: All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.


It really hits home. Growing up, the word "veteran" always meant someone my parents' age (Vietnam) or grandparents (WWII). Now, seeing disabled vets younger than me, like you said, is sickening and heartbreaking. I hope once we wind down these wars for good (or at least a few years) we can put more money towards treating those vets and helping former military re-adapt to the civilian world.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:27 AM

Lsherm: Elmo Jones: Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.

As someone who owns a 160 year-old house and works in an 80 year-old building - labor usually isn't the only big cost factor for maintenance, material is also a big expense. If that complex has ten 60 year-old boilers, all the dedication in the world isn't going to fix them on the cheap.

Plus, as a state facility, they wouldn't be allowed to house people in a building that was fixed by crafty amateurs. There may also be union contracts to deal with, code violations that are seemingly benign but can't be ignored, etc.


You might be able to cut a deal with the trade unions to turn it into an apprentice program.

A fair number of trade unions (like pipefitters, welders, etc., not the "lol i bag groceries that makes me a skilled worker hurrr" unions) are concerned about an aging worker populations and such.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:54 AM

HotWingAgenda: Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.


I agree it's not like a camping trip, but as far as just going and living in the woods, yes many do exactly that - at least in states that have milder weather. I know of a few areas in Florida and California where people simply live in tents, have laptops, smartphones, and TV's, peltier coolers with drinks and food, etc. Not all homeless are drooling crazies that that sleep under newspapers in the subway.

I used to be friends with one particular guy who lived like that, because he used to come into the bar where I worked. He had a min wage job somewhere, and lived in a tent in the woods, watched movies on his laptop, ran some fluorescent lights and a few small appliances from motorcycle batteries that he would recharge at work. At first I thought he was bullshiatting me until he had me over to his "place" for beers and a movie one night after we closed the bar. I knew him for several years until he moved out of state. The only thing he admitted to missing was warm showers whenever he wanted.
 
2012-11-30 10:07:09 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

/Pft, signatures.
//hot
 
2012-11-30 10:13:03 AM

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?

It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.


HA! Actually in this case it's a marble. The larger marbles in particular.
 
2012-11-30 10:56:23 AM

ladyfortuna: I never had any survival training in the Army


That's astounding. I occasionally work at a school where 4th through 6th graders receive some survival training. They are taken camping several times a year. The kids assigned to a tent have to pitch the tent themselves. Adults assisting with chaperoning are not allowed to help. They build their own fires. I've seen these kids build a 16 match fire is pouring rain, a one match fire in good weather, and a no match fire 12 hours later. They scavenge their own fire wood, learn to whittle with their own camping knives and create their own cooking sticks. The kids do all the cooking. The typical camping trip is situated in area where the closest bathroom is a long, long hike away. The kids are taught to pee on trees - including the girls.

The neat part, though is weeks later, when I'm substituting in the classroom and a child complains "This math is hard." and one of the regular instructors casually asks "Is it harder than camping?"
"No."
"Why don't you try again?"
"Yeah, I'll try again."

Last year, the kids got to attend a presentation on creating an emergency shelter. Later, they competed with each other to see who could build the most solid shelter in 30 minutes and 60 minutes. You could tell which kids were accustomed to doing things outdoors. A couple of the boys built lean-to's that would have made Huck Finn jealous. Then there was a little girl who sat next to a weedy plant shorter than she was and called it her "shelter".
 
2012-11-30 10:59:45 AM

HotWingAgenda: ladyfortuna: I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.

Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.


Homeless people do live in strips of wooded areas within urban areas. Only about 3 miles from where I am right now, there is a make-shift camp with homeless people. It is walking distance to a very busy on/off ramp for the perimeter, that is one of the few places left in the metro area that has not been annexed into a city. County cops don't bother them while they stand out and ask for money. It's one of the few places left where pan-handling is not grounds for arrest.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:20 AM

Onkel Buck: Pretty good idea and the communal living will be like in living in the barracks. Some of the guys might need that kinda of camaraderie to get back on their feet. Place will probably be immaculate inside and out with all the GI parties and police calls on the grounds. As a vet myself, Im OK with this


Why don't we have transitional barracks for veterans departing the service? Shouldn't every state have one or two in major urban centers, convenient to universities and large numbers of employers, where veterans could live free or next door to free for 4 or 5 years? Think of how much they could help and support one another.

And you could put the services the population at a given facility requested right in the building. In one location it might be a career counselor in another it might be someone trained to address addiction and so on.
 
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