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2012-11-29 08:33:14 PM  
Ok, I chuckled
 
2012-11-29 08:42:20 PM  

cman: Ok, I chuckled


How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?
 
2012-11-29 08:45:04 PM  
I did an official double-take.

Well played, subby.
 
2012-11-29 08:48:10 PM  
This is an ou... Oh, not a bad idea at all. I hope they get the counseling they need, way too many people are homeless because they're lost their mibs.
 
2012-11-29 08:50:38 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


I agree with cman. Nice job, subs.
 
2012-11-29 08:56:14 PM  
How is that cool.....oh.

Dammit, subby. OK, That was a good one. It' a good idea too.
 
2012-11-29 09:17:09 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?



Rambo has already fashioned a feces-dipped punji pit at the gov's doorway.
 
SUBBY DREW FIRST BLOOD!
 
2012-11-29 09:48:10 PM  

brap: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


Rambo has already fashioned a feces-dipped punji pit at the gov's doorway.
 
SUBBY DREW FIRST BLOOD!


I love you so much, Brap. ;-)
 
2012-11-29 11:03:48 PM  
narwhaler.com
 
2012-11-29 11:48:19 PM  
Well played, Pvt. Smitty!
 
2012-11-30 12:08:07 AM  
Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA
 
2012-11-30 12:09:11 AM  
i177.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 12:09:27 AM  
I hickenlooper'ed.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:31 AM  
He should give the homeless Buckwheats instead.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:55 AM  
R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:09 AM  
Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:26 AM  

SmackLT: [i177.photobucket.com image 600x345]


On the upside, that town had to have been cleared of mosquitos that night..
 
2012-11-30 12:14:58 AM  
The governor's office is asking for $840,000-and an additional $6 million or so over the next two fiscal years-to repurpose the former Fort Lyon Correctional Facility in Las Animas.

And cheap at six times the price. Good on you, governor.
 
2012-11-30 12:18:10 AM  
songwroter.com

dnrtfa
 
2012-11-30 12:28:43 AM  
I too, did a doubletake. Good job subs.
FTA: "Would you really feel that this facility, with all its maintenance issues, is the best place?" Levy asked.
Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.
 
2012-11-30 12:29:10 AM  
I do agree with some of the skepticism. Basically there are two categories of homeless people -- the temporarily homeless and the chronically homeless.

The chronically homeless are very difficult to manage this way as they may be actually incapable of getting back on their feet. Many of them already have options for shelter but choose to continue on the street -- they may not want to be in an institutional setting. Some of them are outright mentally ill. Many have severe alcoholism or drug habits. Some are paranoid, agoraphobic, or otherwise suspicious of people, government or institutions.

if it is full of people that are seriously mentally ill or with addictions then it does actually become a mental hospital of sorts, not the rehabilitation center imagined.
 
2012-11-30 12:30:48 AM  
I hope they all have Cell phones . . .
 
2012-11-30 12:31:33 AM  

ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.


What's a mib?
 
2012-11-30 12:31:37 AM  

wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.


Fort Lyon was a prison dedicated to old, mentally ill and transgendered inmates in the Colorado state prison system. It was closed because the recession made the state re-evaluate the money it spent on specialty prisons. Also, the rate of violent crime has been dropping since 1995, so there are less inmates overall.

So pot may have been part of it, but a very small part.
 
2012-11-30 12:36:10 AM  

fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?


It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.
 
2012-11-30 12:36:16 AM  
"I survived Korea just to get sent to Las Animas?"
 
2012-11-30 12:36:20 AM  
All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.
 
2012-11-30 12:36:52 AM  
fusillade762: What's a mib?

Exactly.
 
2012-11-30 12:41:18 AM  
Hickenlooper is a good governor. I like him. A lot.
 
2012-11-30 12:41:35 AM  

Elmo Jones: Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.


As someone who owns a 160 year-old house and works in an 80 year-old building - labor usually isn't the only big cost factor for maintenance, material is also a big expense. If that complex has ten 60 year-old boilers, all the dedication in the world isn't going to fix them on the cheap.

Plus, as a state facility, they wouldn't be allowed to house people in a building that was fixed by crafty amateurs. There may also be union contracts to deal with, code violations that are seemingly benign but can't be ignored, etc.
 
2012-11-30 12:42:54 AM  
" This is old world is one big prison yard.
some of us are prisoners, some of us are guards."

Bob Dylan
 
2012-11-30 12:44:11 AM  
ftfa : The prison was closed last year because of a declining prison population


this has to be BS. there is not a single declinig prison population in the entire US. they must mean population transferred from public to private facility , if you did some digging.
 
2012-11-30 12:45:24 AM  
Declining prison population? Why don't they lease it out to just about any other state in the nation? Many states are turning prisoners away. I find it hard to believe they don't have enough prisoners to fill it.
 
2012-11-30 12:45:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The governor's office is asking for $840,000-and an additional $6 million or so over the next two fiscal years-to repurpose the former Fort Lyon Correctional Facility in Las Animas.

And cheap at six times the price. Good on you, governor.


TFA doesn't say a word about where nearly $7 million is supposed to come from. It's a cool idea, and makes me feel better than some other things they could do with the property... but money matters. And they didn't really explain how these hordes of hungry hungry hobos are supposed to get there.
 
2012-11-30 12:46:08 AM  

ultraholland: fusillade762: What's a mib?

Exactly.


I know what it is, and I will tell you the whole conspiracy behin... Wait, hold on, I got to get the door. There's some washed out rapper and some old dude at the door wearing sunglasses saying that they want me to look at something. They're probably Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll be back in a minute after I shoo them away to tell you all the rest.
 
2012-11-30 12:47:04 AM  
also, what farking prison only sleeps 200 people ? do they mean a jail ? they should be able to get 1000 in there at least.
 
2012-11-30 12:51:26 AM  
The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.
 
2012-11-30 12:54:56 AM  
This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.
 
2012-11-30 12:57:03 AM  

jtown: Declining prison population? Why don't they lease it out to just about any other state in the nation? Many states are turning prisoners away. I find it hard to believe they don't have enough prisoners to fill it.


New Guantanamo?
 
2012-11-30 12:58:56 AM  

Spartacus Outlaw: This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.


they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:49 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Yeah but if you need a sex change, Trinidad is only 99 miles away.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:17 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa : The prison was closed last year because of a declining prison population


this has to be BS. there is not a single declinig prison population in the entire US. they must mean population transferred from public to private facility , if you did some digging.


Ft. Lyons specialized in inmates with serious medical conditions and transgendered inmates. That population declined. The few remaining inmates were transferred to a state-run women's prison.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:31 AM  

jtown: Declining prison population? Why don't they lease it out to just about any other state in the nation? Many states are turning prisoners away. I find it hard to believe they don't have enough prisoners to fill it.


That facility is so old I'm betting private companies don't want it, and the state doesn't have enough money to make it serviceable.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:51 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!
 
2012-11-30 01:06:09 AM  

fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?


It's a mibibyte, which is 1024 KiB, and 1085764 B.

/did they lose some RAM?
//or did a few HD sectors get corrupted?
 
2012-11-30 01:11:03 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Yeah but if you need a sex change, Trinidad is only 99 miles away.


Long ago, in the days of dialup BBSes, I had a friend who worked as an anesthesiologist in Trinidad. He was a mail-order minister who fought the IRS in Tax Court 41 times, pro se, and won all but one case (not the last one). He loved working the sex changes.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:06 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Came here to say this. At first glance it seems like a great idea, and it may well work. But the residents at this place will have few options for interacting with the real world when they (presumably) start getting their shiat together. In addition to the weather sucking ass for several months of the year, there are only four tiny towns within an hour's bus ride, and the nearest thing that could be called a city (Pueblo) is at least 85mi away.

i.imgur.com


It certainly possible, if this facility succeeds its residents more than it fails them, that people living there could become contributing members of society in the little nearby burgs of Las Animas, La Junta, Rocky Ford and Lamar. But it's also likely that those towns will see trouble from this plan which could be hard for spread-thin county sheriffs to handle.

Still, given the relatively modest budget, it seems like it might be worth a shot.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:29 AM  

Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!


Says the guy in Arizona. :-)
 
2012-11-30 01:13:13 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: Spartacus Outlaw: This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.

they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.


The space is there, it's already partitioned, has cafeteria, recreation, housing and other facilities. It's set up to handle a transitional population; yet one that will be in place for extended periods. It's equipped to monitor that population and facilitate their training and movement back into society. And it has transportation access already in place for moving people and supplies in and out. Why NOT use it for housing the homeless?

The hard part won't get getting the homeless vets out there; it will be encouraging staff and other professionals to relocate out to BFE to provide services for them. Social workers are not going to want to live a thousand miles from nowhere to assist homeless vets, no matter how committed they are to the cause.
 
2012-11-30 01:17:49 AM  
Well, that's my point. No-one wants to be there, especially no-luck-Joes that have no way to get out of there. It's a one-way farking ticket to the end of it all.
 
2012-11-30 01:18:13 AM  
No worries, No hurries. We only have to hold our breaths a little longer, this recession will abate, then all of these dudes will have well-compensated production jobs. Have a little faith in the mercantile system!
 
2012-11-30 01:19:46 AM  
Your FACE is a homeless veteran!
 
2012-11-30 01:20:50 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!

Says the guy in Arizona. :-)


Says the guy (me) that grew up in western Kansas!
 
2012-11-30 01:22:43 AM  

Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!

Says the guy in Arizona. :-)

Says the guy (me) that grew up in western Kansas!


That's God's country, He doesn't let it snow there.
 
2012-11-30 01:30:58 AM  
Living on the ship was basically like prison, so the old navy vets will fill right at home.

Well, except I think people actually get sleep in prison.
 
2012-11-30 01:31:30 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!

Says the guy in Arizona. :-)

Says the guy (me) that grew up in western Kansas!

That's God's country, He doesn't let it snow there.


Just Angel shiat, but some times they eat to much. Two day blizzard, no electricity for three weeks, feeding cattle from a NG Helo.

Good times! Good Times!
 
2012-11-30 01:47:41 AM  
t3.gstatic.com

Knows a thing or two about abandoned prisons
 
2012-11-30 02:01:26 AM  
The hard part won't get getting the homeless vets out there; it will be encouraging staff and other professionals to relocate out to BFE to provide services for them. Social workers are not going to want to live a thousand miles from nowhere to assist homeless vets, no matter how committed they are to the cause.

Social workers generally make shiat for pay and have to deal with knowing that they can't control most of the crap their clients have to deal with. Here they have a controlled atmosphere. If they offer more than $12/hour, will be flooded with applicants.
 
2012-11-30 02:01:46 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


Fine, I'll glance at it.

something something veterans something something prison something something Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper.

HURRRR TYPICAL DEMMYCRAT, WHY DOESN'T HE GO MAKE OUT WITH JANE FONDA WHILE HE'S AT IT
 
2012-11-30 02:19:45 AM  

R.A.Danny: Oh, not a bad idea at all. I hope they get the counseling they need, way too many people are homeless because they're lost their mibs.


There is nothing out there, no possibility for jobs if they try to get back on their feet. They will get the feeling that they are being stuck out in southeastern Colorado to be forgotten about.
 
2012-11-30 02:20:29 AM  
I admit for about two seconds after reading the headline I was in 'THIS IS AN OUTRAGE' rev-up, but seconds 3-8 were more like 'Wait. Three hots and a cot. This could be a very good thing for many homeless vets.'

Then I read the article and it's even better than that.

"Democratic Sen. Mary Hodge asked about "push-back" from homeless veterans uninterested in moving to Bent County. Republican Rep. Cheri Gerou wondered whether Fort Lyon could be seen as a modern-day "pauper's prison."

You know what you do to avoid that? You don't lock the damn doors.

I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.
 
2012-11-30 02:28:51 AM  

wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.


No shiat - there are only 3 people on death row here.

It's okay - half of you think I should be on death row.
 
2012-11-30 02:31:41 AM  

ladyfortuna: I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.


Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.
 
2012-11-30 02:33:08 AM  

Happy Hours: wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.

No shiat - there are only 3 people on death row here.

It's okay - half of you think I should be on death row.


Maybe we should only kill half of you in order to come to a compromise? Which part of yourself do you like the best, your top half or bottom half? :)
 
2012-11-30 02:48:23 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.


What homeless shelter in Portland has penthouses, balconies and rooftop gardens? Are you talking about the Bud Clark Commons in Old Town, which definitely is not the middle of Downtown, which has none of those features?
 
2012-11-30 02:57:44 AM  
That's socialism! Don't they have straps on their Army boots they can pull up by themselves?
 
2012-11-30 03:02:07 AM  

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?

It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block Base - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.


FTFY. It's the my old QA tic coming back and haunting me.
 
2012-11-30 03:03:08 AM  
government officials imprisoning homeless veterans? HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING!?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-30 03:03:48 AM  

davidphogan: Mimic_Octopus: they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.

What homeless shelter in Portland has penthouses, balconies and rooftop gardens? Are you talking about the Bud Clark Commons in Old Town, which definitely is not the middle of Downtown, which has none of those features?


Yeah, I was wondering wtf he was talking about, as well. Maybe something in Portland, ME?
 
2012-11-30 03:17:37 AM  
Large percentages of homeless cost the state less to feed and house than remain homeless.

But unlike veterans we tell ourselves they don't deserve help and/or doing so would somehow incentivise people to become homeless for that sweet gravy train. They'd have the sweet life: tv, a roof, a bed, and a couple meals a day. What a nightmare it would be if a few lazy and unambitous snuck in alongside the actual homeless for a piece of that heaven eh?
 
2012-11-30 03:26:07 AM  

duffblue: All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.

Yes it is.
and I'll leave it at that.
 
2012-11-30 03:49:32 AM  
Well played, submitter, well played.
 
2012-11-30 04:02:30 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Food, shelter and amenities - you shiatting me?

I am no pro - but I did the best part of a year on the streets before I was old enough to enlist. I would have done it just for a daily shower.
 
2012-11-30 04:18:32 AM  
If it works (and I hope it does actually), it's certainly a step in the right direction. Some of these people get treated like they belong in prison anyway which is completely absurd. It'd be great to see something actually come of the facilities rather than future episodes of Ghost Jocks.
 
2012-11-30 06:11:20 AM  
Won't see this in a recruiters office. Join the military and when you get out, you get to live in an old rotten smelly prison. Good times.
 
2012-11-30 06:35:08 AM  

Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA


Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.
 
2012-11-30 07:17:39 AM  
Good job subby!

I hope this place works, it would be great to see a larger facility where they can give real help to homeless.
 
2012-11-30 07:23:04 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


I didn't read TFA and just assumed it was an old prison being retasked to house homeless people. I'd expect a thread about people actually locking homeless veterans up to have WAY more traffic.
 
2012-11-30 07:28:40 AM  
Pretty good idea and the communal living will be like in living in the barracks. Some of the guys might need that kinda of camaraderie to get back on their feet. Place will probably be immaculate inside and out with all the GI parties and police calls on the grounds. As a vet myself, Im OK with this
 
2012-11-30 07:38:06 AM  

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?

It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.


But that's not important right now...
 
2012-11-30 07:41:23 AM  
Seems way too intelligent...kinda waiting for an ACME anvil
 
2012-11-30 07:42:49 AM  
I don't have a problem with this - they shouldn't restrict it to veterans though. There's no reason anyone in the US should have to sleep on the street or go hungry.

I love living in Colorado, but if I ever am homeless I am definitely not going to be spending my winters here. Screw that - it's 38 degrees right now and this is a warm day. Before the end of the year, I'm sure there will be zero degree days and probably even negative degree days.
 
2012-11-30 07:46:49 AM  
tvdinnerandamovie.files.wordpress.com
Who is gonna clean out the zombies first?
 
2012-11-30 07:59:51 AM  
Considering I was watching the police ticket and arrest homeless panhandlers earlier this week (and I live in Colorado), I think this is a good idea. It's the start of a positive response to the homeless issue.
 
2012-11-30 08:47:57 AM  

HotWingAgenda: And they didn't really explain how these hordes of hungry hungry hobos are supposed to get there.



Boxcars.

www.nowtheendbegins.com

Use regular trains to transport them to the rail yards.
images2.bridgemanart.com
Then they can change trains, so boxcars can carry them to their final destination.


/be sure and use REGULAR TRAINS ONLY for any photo-ops
 
2012-11-30 09:02:38 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA

Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.


A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.
 
2012-11-30 09:10:10 AM  
Read headline, saw tag, was curious as to wether subby dun goofed odds retarded

/was pleasantly surprised by the story
//possible hero tag?
///way to go for governor having a brain and using the prisons for the right reasons
 
2012-11-30 09:10:43 AM  

snocone: Day_Old_Dutchie: Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA

Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.

A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.


and a libby politician will treat you like shiat afterwards for protecting their right to treat you like shiat when you're done protecting our freedom
 
2012-11-30 09:15:16 AM  
Started reading, expecting this;
1.bp.blogspot.com

Came away pleased.

\hot
 
2012-11-30 09:17:00 AM  

snocone: A politician is a fellow willing to lay down your life for his country.


AND the lives of your children and grandchildren.

But what the fark, let's all sing a cheery little ditty!

/whoopie
//and golly if it ain't all been worth it
///made this country what it is today
 
2012-11-30 09:34:51 AM  

Druid5: Started reading, expecting this;


Came away pleased.

\hot


Was the first time I saw James Cromwell as an actor was on that episode.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-11-30 09:58:00 AM  
This guy makes too much sense. Other politicians will probably have him shot.
 
2012-11-30 09:59:23 AM  

duffblue: All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.


It really hits home. Growing up, the word "veteran" always meant someone my parents' age (Vietnam) or grandparents (WWII). Now, seeing disabled vets younger than me, like you said, is sickening and heartbreaking. I hope once we wind down these wars for good (or at least a few years) we can put more money towards treating those vets and helping former military re-adapt to the civilian world.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:27 AM  

Lsherm: Elmo Jones: Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.

As someone who owns a 160 year-old house and works in an 80 year-old building - labor usually isn't the only big cost factor for maintenance, material is also a big expense. If that complex has ten 60 year-old boilers, all the dedication in the world isn't going to fix them on the cheap.

Plus, as a state facility, they wouldn't be allowed to house people in a building that was fixed by crafty amateurs. There may also be union contracts to deal with, code violations that are seemingly benign but can't be ignored, etc.


You might be able to cut a deal with the trade unions to turn it into an apprentice program.

A fair number of trade unions (like pipefitters, welders, etc., not the "lol i bag groceries that makes me a skilled worker hurrr" unions) are concerned about an aging worker populations and such.
 
2012-11-30 10:06:54 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.


I agree it's not like a camping trip, but as far as just going and living in the woods, yes many do exactly that - at least in states that have milder weather. I know of a few areas in Florida and California where people simply live in tents, have laptops, smartphones, and TV's, peltier coolers with drinks and food, etc. Not all homeless are drooling crazies that that sleep under newspapers in the subway.

I used to be friends with one particular guy who lived like that, because he used to come into the bar where I worked. He had a min wage job somewhere, and lived in a tent in the woods, watched movies on his laptop, ran some fluorescent lights and a few small appliances from motorcycle batteries that he would recharge at work. At first I thought he was bullshiatting me until he had me over to his "place" for beers and a movie one night after we closed the bar. I knew him for several years until he moved out of state. The only thing he admitted to missing was warm showers whenever he wanted.
 
2012-11-30 10:07:09 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

/Pft, signatures.
//hot
 
2012-11-30 10:13:03 AM  

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?

It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.


HA! Actually in this case it's a marble. The larger marbles in particular.
 
2012-11-30 10:56:23 AM  

ladyfortuna: I never had any survival training in the Army


That's astounding. I occasionally work at a school where 4th through 6th graders receive some survival training. They are taken camping several times a year. The kids assigned to a tent have to pitch the tent themselves. Adults assisting with chaperoning are not allowed to help. They build their own fires. I've seen these kids build a 16 match fire is pouring rain, a one match fire in good weather, and a no match fire 12 hours later. They scavenge their own fire wood, learn to whittle with their own camping knives and create their own cooking sticks. The kids do all the cooking. The typical camping trip is situated in area where the closest bathroom is a long, long hike away. The kids are taught to pee on trees - including the girls.

The neat part, though is weeks later, when I'm substituting in the classroom and a child complains "This math is hard." and one of the regular instructors casually asks "Is it harder than camping?"
"No."
"Why don't you try again?"
"Yeah, I'll try again."

Last year, the kids got to attend a presentation on creating an emergency shelter. Later, they competed with each other to see who could build the most solid shelter in 30 minutes and 60 minutes. You could tell which kids were accustomed to doing things outdoors. A couple of the boys built lean-to's that would have made Huck Finn jealous. Then there was a little girl who sat next to a weedy plant shorter than she was and called it her "shelter".
 
2012-11-30 10:59:45 AM  

HotWingAgenda: ladyfortuna: I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.

Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.


Homeless people do live in strips of wooded areas within urban areas. Only about 3 miles from where I am right now, there is a make-shift camp with homeless people. It is walking distance to a very busy on/off ramp for the perimeter, that is one of the few places left in the metro area that has not been annexed into a city. County cops don't bother them while they stand out and ask for money. It's one of the few places left where pan-handling is not grounds for arrest.
 
2012-11-30 11:08:20 AM  

Onkel Buck: Pretty good idea and the communal living will be like in living in the barracks. Some of the guys might need that kinda of camaraderie to get back on their feet. Place will probably be immaculate inside and out with all the GI parties and police calls on the grounds. As a vet myself, Im OK with this


Why don't we have transitional barracks for veterans departing the service? Shouldn't every state have one or two in major urban centers, convenient to universities and large numbers of employers, where veterans could live free or next door to free for 4 or 5 years? Think of how much they could help and support one another.

And you could put the services the population at a given facility requested right in the building. In one location it might be a career counselor in another it might be someone trained to address addiction and so on.
 
2012-11-30 11:15:44 AM  

Lunaville: ladyfortuna: I never had any survival training in the Army

That's astounding. I occasionally work at a school where 4th through 6th graders receive some survival training. They are taken camping several times a year. The kids assigned to a tent have to pitch the tent themselves. Adults assisting with chaperoning are not allowed to help. They build their own fires. I've seen these kids build a 16 match fire is pouring rain, a one match fire in good weather, and a no match fire 12 hours later. They scavenge their own fire wood, learn to whittle with their own camping knives and create their own cooking sticks. The kids do all the cooking. The typical camping trip is situated in area where the closest bathroom is a long, long hike away. The kids are taught to pee on trees - including the girls.

The neat part, though is weeks later, when I'm substituting in the classroom and a child complains "This math is hard." and one of the regular instructors casually asks "Is it harder than camping?"
"No."
"Why don't you try again?"
"Yeah, I'll try again."

Last year, the kids got to attend a presentation on creating an emergency shelter. Later, they competed with each other to see who could build the most solid shelter in 30 minutes and 60 minutes. You could tell which kids were accustomed to doing things outdoors. A couple of the boys built lean-to's that would have made Huck Finn jealous. Then there was a little girl who sat next to a weedy plant shorter than she was and called it her "shelter".


That is one of the lamest anecdotes I've ever read.
 
2012-11-30 11:17:50 AM  

Lunaville: Homeless people do live in strips of wooded areas within urban areas


This is true - I've seen them and met them. If I were homeless it would be where I would go.
 
2012-11-30 11:18:38 AM  

Happy Hours: I love living in Colorado, but if I ever am homeless I am definitely not going to be spending my winters here. Screw that - it's 38 degrees right now and this is a warm day./i>

38 degrees at ten til 8? The horror. I don't think there were 10 snowy days all of last winter along the front range. There was only one big snow storm. Granted, southeastern Colorado will probably be much nastier.

 
2012-11-30 11:22:20 AM  

I should be in the kitchen: Growing up, the word "veteran" always meant someone my parents' age (Vietnam) or grandparents (WWII).


Those people didn't enter the world middle aged. They were also little more than babies when they were deployed.
 
2012-11-30 11:27:11 AM  

Happy Hours: That is one of the lamest anecdotes I've ever read.


The lame part is that I am actually very bad at putting up my own tent. That is compounded by the fact that I'm very short. So, I bring along a step ladder to use while putting up my tent. Typically, every other tent has been up for some time, while I struggle with mine. I end up with 10 to 15 children standing around staring and looking bemused. I end up wondering "Why do they allow me along on these trips?"
 
2012-11-30 11:38:50 AM  
Damn it Smitty. I was about to get angry because I tend to like what Hickenlooper does and says and was going to be really sad if he was advocating something bad.

...But then I read TFA. And I continue to tend to like what Hickenlooper does and says.
 
2012-11-30 11:48:07 AM  
The prison was closed last year because of a declining prison population.

WTF? This dude should run for President!
 
2012-11-30 12:10:25 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Happy Hours: I love living in Colorado, but if I ever am homeless I am definitely not going to be spending my winters here. Screw that - it's 38 degrees right now and this is a warm day./i>

38 degrees at ten til 8? The horror. I don't think there were 10 snowy days all of last winter along the front range. There was only one big snow storm. Granted, southeastern Colorado will probably be much nastier.


Well, I did say it was a warm day. Hey, it's up to 53 now. But while even 38 isn't going to kill you (probably) it's not very comfortable and I'd bet lots of money that there will be more than a few nights where the temperature drops into single digits and there will probably even be a couple of nights where it drops below zero.

I guess my point was that if I were homeless right now I sure as hell wouldn't be in Colorado. I'd be in Arizona - or Texas - or Southern California. Well, that and the fact that if we can spend billions of dollars a day playing war games in Afghanistan we probably should be able to give homeless people in our own country a roof over their heads and at least one meal a day.
 
2012-11-30 12:19:28 PM  

Happy Hours: I guess my point was that if I were homeless right now I sure as hell wouldn't be in Colorado. I'd be in Arizona - or Texas - or Southern California.


You'd buy new shoes and walk?
 
2012-11-30 12:32:18 PM  

R.A.Danny: Happy Hours: I guess my point was that if I were homeless right now I sure as hell wouldn't be in Colorado. I'd be in Arizona - or Texas - or Southern California.

You'd buy new shoes and walk?


I would definitely start walking. I probably wouldn't buy new shoes though.

If I started walking right now and even if nobody gave me a ride I could be in Denver tomorrow. I could be in New Mexico a day or 2 after that. A few more days and I might even reach civilization.
 
2012-11-30 12:34:03 PM  

Druid5: Started reading, expecting this;
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x210]

Came away pleased.

\hot


My first thought as well.
/ not hot
 
2012-11-30 12:35:59 PM  

R.A.Danny: You'd buy new shoes and walk?


Meh, with a veteran's discount, a bus ticket from CO to CA is less than a new pair of brand name shoes.
 
2012-11-30 12:50:16 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: R.A.Danny: You'd buy new shoes and walk?

Meh, with a veteran's discount, a bus ticket from CO to CA is less than a new pair of brand name shoes.


See, if you had the facilities to do that, you probably could avoid being homeless in the first place. Homelessness is often more about being mentally ill than being poor.


Well I guess being poor enough to be homeless is more about being mentally ill than a lot of things too, but you get my point.
 
2012-11-30 12:53:29 PM  
Yeah. Talk about a GREAT idea! Wow!

Facilities like this could be put in place all across the country!

And why only allow homeless vets this awesome opportunity?

ALL homeless could be 'helped' in this manner.

Now in some areas the locking fencing (decorative only of course) - will probably have to remain in place and functioning - in order to get the needed 'approvals' for the 'project' from the locals.

And of course, there will be some necessary mandatory adherence to strict curfews, and so forth - in regards to any nearby towns and properties and/or lands - which are NOT part of the facility.

But that's such a small price to pay really - for an opportunity to be re-programmed re-trained - so 'the homeless' can once again be 'healthy' and 'productive' citizens.

(Wait . . .brb. . .gotta get a tissue. . .damn it's dusty in here. . .)


Of course the idea - that all those homeless people (many - if not most - suffering from mental illness and/or instability) are going to be able to just freely roam around inside these facilities - will need to be toned down a bit. For their own safety, you understand.

By offering them the structure of voluntarily (all clients required to be in compliance) being locked into their 'rooms' at night and during certain parts of the day (exact times to be set by staff to promote efficiency) the needs and safety of individual clients can be more completely guarded.

And we all have to acknowledge that - no matter 'how worthy' the cause - the reality is - these needed social interventions do come at a price.

So, to keep these costs down - perhaps a uniform dress code - could be put in place for the residents. This would allow needed clothing to be purchased in bulk at reduced prices. And also facilitate efforts of staff to quickly locate and safely return - any mentally impaired clients - who wander off of the facility grounds.

Now, these facilities will require an on-site medical staff for the needed medications and 'treatments' utilized to assist the homeless in their quest to interact more 'appropriately' with other citizens. All formulated and administered on an individual basis - so no homeless person will ever again - remain hindered in life - by an inability to comply with the basic requirements of any evolved and modern society. Also, by encouraging ongoing onsite trials and testing - of any submitted new theories, techniques and medications - we can finally offer the homeless the 'cutting-edge' treatment they deserve (while providing additional needed funding - AT THE SAME TIME - via generous reimbursement donations - of the various pharmaceutical corporations involved).

And in order to - prevent the wasting of tax-dollars - being used to fund these 'Fresh Start For the Homeless' programs - completing the re-socialization process and providing an approved alternative living arrangement - will be required for any client - applying for the mandatory approval needed - to withdraw from this program.

I think this whole idea is just filled to the brim with long-term win!

And if this goes as well as I expect it to - in no time at all - these life-changing programs - will be made available - for the chronically poor and chronically unemployed also!

Maybe even - who knows - the chronically obese too!

The list of citizen groups who could benefit - from an opportunity such as this - is endless really!

So MUCH WIN! Sooooooooooooooooo much win!

/damn this dust . . .
 
2012-11-30 12:54:37 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: R.A.Danny: You'd buy new shoes and walk?

Meh, with a veteran's discount, a bus ticket from CO to CA is less than a new pair of brand name shoes.


And if you were even close to being homeless you probably wouldn't even be considering new shoes.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:06 PM  

Lunaville: Onkel Buck: Pretty good idea and the communal living will be like in living in the barracks. Some of the guys might need that kinda of camaraderie to get back on their feet. Place will probably be immaculate inside and out with all the GI parties and police calls on the grounds. As a vet myself, Im OK with this

Why don't we have transitional barracks for veterans departing the service? Shouldn't every state have one or two in major urban centers, convenient to universities and large numbers of employers, where veterans could live free or next door to free for 4 or 5 years? Think of how much they could help and support one another.

And you could put the services the population at a given facility requested right in the building. In one location it might be a career counselor in another it might be someone trained to address addiction and so on.


I believe they used to do that at Ft Dix in NJ to some extent, but that was before my time and I'm sure budget cuts killed that somwhere along the line. When I got out I went to what was called ACAP at the time. They help you with transitioning as you get out. They helped me write my resume' and translated my military skills into civilian-ese, and we did some interveiwing techniques and practice. It was a big help. This was back in 2000 so I dont know what they do now. But I agree with you, I dont see any problem with haveing some sort of, "half way house" for those that would like to have or need that kind of support base.
 
2012-11-30 01:41:34 PM  

R.A.Danny: See, if you had the facilities to do that, you probably could avoid being homeless in the first place.


Hmmm. I don't think just the price of a bus ticket ($100) would keep a lot more people in their homes. I actually don't think giving $100 to homeless people would cure them of homelessness. So yeah, I'll just say I think you are flat wrong.
 
2012-11-30 01:46:48 PM  

HotWingAgenda: ladyfortuna: I've pondered the concept of being homeless, and while I feel I've maybe got enough survival training to deal with it, a LOT of people aren't nearly that educated/experienced. The military might pretend to train us for wilderness living, but other than some instruction from my one SFC during an FTX on his own property, I never had any survival training in the Army, unfortunately. Mine pretty much came from Girl Scouts.

Erm, pardon me, but being homeless is not the same as going on a camping trip. For one thing, homeless people don't just go live in the woods... forest rangers make sure of that.


As others have said, yeah people do. In areas like where I live, there are thousands and thousands of acres of state forest that are not really patrolled all that regularly due to budget cuts, plus lots of wooded property adjacent to farmland that doesn't get a lot of attention. I've heard stories of homeless vets living in the woods around here, which is western NY - definitely not a mild climate. There are also abandoned properties where people could easily squat or build shelter in the ruins.

Also it was late when I wrote that, so I need to clarify that I DID have cold weather training, such as how to avoid cold weather injuries, so I guess that's kind of survival stuff, but as for how to hunt/fish with little gear, get clean water (filter with sand or do the thing with grass in a pit [some of you know what I'm talking about]) - yeah, none of that was 'official' Army training. I'm sure they HAVE those courses for special forces/Rangers etc, but rank and file soft MOS aren't likely to end up in them. I think it's generally assumed we won't be that far away from the supplies, normally.
 
2012-11-30 01:52:12 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: R.A.Danny: See, if you had the facilities to do that, you probably could avoid being homeless in the first place.

Hmmm. I don't think just the price of a bus ticket ($100) would keep a lot more people in their homes. I actually don't think giving $100 to homeless people would cure them of homelessness. So yeah, I'll just say I think you are flat wrong.


We are talking MENTAL facilities, so maybe you should be concerned about homelessness.
 
2012-11-30 02:08:02 PM  

Onkel Buck: I believe they used to do that at Ft Dix in NJ to some extent, but that was before my time and I'm sure budget cuts killed that somwhere along the line. When I got out I went to what was called ACAP at the time. They help you with transitioning as you get out. They helped me write my resume' and translated my military skills into civilian-ese, and we did some interveiwing techniques and practice. It was a big help. This was back in 2000 so I dont know what they do now. But I agree with you, I dont see any problem with haveing some sort of, "half way house" for those that would like to have or need that kind of support base.


Not only do I NOT see any problem with this being provided - I feel we owe our veterans THIS - and much more.

Like quality medical care - with doctors and hospitals of THEIR choosing - for any medical conditions or disabilities - acquired while serving in the military - for the rest of their lives (if the medical conditions and/or disabilities are permanent).

To help cover the costs of the improved care:

Any time any part of the U.S. military - is used to further or protect the interests - of corporations, the United Nations, aspiring or failing dictators, people of power wanting a certain side in a civil war to be victorious, etc. - before ANY intervention by the U.S. military (even one boot on the ground) takes place - the corporations, United Nations, aspiring or failing dictators, people of power wanting a certain side in a civil war to be victorious, etc. will be required to deposit 'however many billion' is being projected as needed - to cover the medical needs - both current and future - of all those involved - in carrying out the military intervention. 

Any entities who can't pay - aren't powerful enough to play - using members of the U.S. military - on their global game-board.
 
2012-11-30 02:23:32 PM  
In Philly they just put them on a bus with one way tickets and send them elsewhere. Not sure how they get back or if there is just a constant supply but the #'s do not seem to be going down.
 
2012-11-30 02:48:05 PM  
You see, this is the problem with liberals. Help, help, help. They're like a broken record. Why that perfectly good prison could be redeveloped into a Walmart Hotel. But noooooooo!
 
2012-11-30 03:04:09 PM  
into
 
2012-11-30 05:15:25 PM  

Lunaville: I should be in the kitchen: Growing up, the word "veteran" always meant someone my parents' age (Vietnam) or grandparents (WWII).

Those people didn't enter the world middle aged. They were also little more than babies when they were deployed.


Yeah I know. But from the perspective of a child in the 80s, veteran = older person. I wasn't alive when they were deployed, but I am around to witness a new generation of war vets returning. And for me at least, things hit home more when it's your own cohort.
 
2012-11-30 08:55:09 PM  
While I think Gault would make an interesting choice for Activities Director, I think we probably need to leave the "interim" tag on his title.. Also, they might want to avoid playing "hide and go seek," it won't end well.
 
2012-11-30 10:28:39 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: R.A.Danny: See, if you had the facilities to do that, you probably could avoid being homeless in the first place.

Hmmm. I don't think just the price of a bus ticket ($100) would keep a lot more people in their homes. I actually don't think giving $100 to homeless people would cure them of homelessness. So yeah, I'll just say I think you are flat wrong.


Yeah, but if you're going to spend 7million to house 200 homeless (probably less) you might be better off giving them $35,000 each and telling them to go away.
 
2012-12-01 08:30:49 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Tumunga: Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA

Actually, the so-called "libbies" hate the goddamn greedy slimy libby politicians who eagerly send young men off to fight their battles for them, but treat them like shiat when the are finished with them.

 

I agree with this.
 
2012-12-01 12:11:18 PM  

ski9600: ThrobblefootSpectre: R.A.Danny: See, if you had the facilities to do that, you probably could avoid being homeless in the first place.

Hmmm. I don't think just the price of a bus ticket ($100) would keep a lot more people in their homes. I actually don't think giving $100 to homeless people would cure them of homelessness. So yeah, I'll just say I think you are flat wrong.

Yeah, but if you're going to spend 7million to house 200 homeless (probably less) you might be better off giving them $35,000 each and telling them to go away.


As much as I don't want to be 'that guy' who says this, a lot of people who go into the military are really bad at managing their money. The military doesn't really help with that either. Working as a personnel clerk, I witnessed a conversation between a Reservist and the UA about why the soldier's pay was getting garnished - turned out, he opened an account with the PX, bought a bunch of stuff while he was on base, then didn't pay the bill. When you open one of those accounts, you agree to let the Army take it out of your pay until it's paid off, but apparently he didn't read that part of the agreement.

I saw lots of other people have financial troubles all the way from BCT to the six years I spent with a couple of different units. The shortcoming has probably contributed to the numbers of homeless vets, sad to say, although of course I realize it's not the main issue most of the time. They really need to add a multi-day finance course to BCT or AIT or something.

Fortunately I had the example of what not to do with money from my ex several years earlier, plus my dad is usually frugal as hell, so I have mostly avoided anything like that despite not having much of an income.
 
2012-12-01 04:10:28 PM  
Gee, is it dusty in here? Sniff.
Little choked up, sorry.
First time someone has offered to treat us old vets as well as prisoners are treated.
Sniff.
 
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