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2012-11-29 08:33:14 PM
Ok, I chuckled
 
2012-11-29 08:42:20 PM

cman: Ok, I chuckled


How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?
 
2012-11-29 08:45:04 PM
I did an official double-take.

Well played, subby.
 
2012-11-29 08:48:10 PM
This is an ou... Oh, not a bad idea at all. I hope they get the counseling they need, way too many people are homeless because they're lost their mibs.
 
2012-11-29 08:50:38 PM

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


I agree with cman. Nice job, subs.
 
2012-11-29 08:56:14 PM
How is that cool.....oh.

Dammit, subby. OK, That was a good one. It' a good idea too.
 
2012-11-29 09:17:09 PM

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?



Rambo has already fashioned a feces-dipped punji pit at the gov's doorway.
 
SUBBY DREW FIRST BLOOD!
 
2012-11-29 09:48:10 PM

brap: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Ok, I chuckled

How long before someone doesn't read the article and starts freaking out?


Rambo has already fashioned a feces-dipped punji pit at the gov's doorway.
 
SUBBY DREW FIRST BLOOD!


I love you so much, Brap. ;-)
 
2012-11-29 11:03:48 PM
narwhaler.com
 
2012-11-29 11:48:19 PM
Well played, Pvt. Smitty!
 
2012-11-30 12:08:07 AM
Why do the libbies hate veterans?

/DNRA
 
2012-11-30 12:09:11 AM
i177.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-30 12:09:27 AM
I hickenlooper'ed.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:31 AM
He should give the homeless Buckwheats instead.
 
2012-11-30 12:12:55 AM
R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:09 AM
Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:26 AM

SmackLT: [i177.photobucket.com image 600x345]


On the upside, that town had to have been cleared of mosquitos that night..
 
2012-11-30 12:14:58 AM
The governor's office is asking for $840,000-and an additional $6 million or so over the next two fiscal years-to repurpose the former Fort Lyon Correctional Facility in Las Animas.

And cheap at six times the price. Good on you, governor.
 
2012-11-30 12:18:10 AM
songwroter.com

dnrtfa
 
2012-11-30 12:28:43 AM
I too, did a doubletake. Good job subs.
FTA: "Would you really feel that this facility, with all its maintenance issues, is the best place?" Levy asked.
Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.
 
2012-11-30 12:29:10 AM
I do agree with some of the skepticism. Basically there are two categories of homeless people -- the temporarily homeless and the chronically homeless.

The chronically homeless are very difficult to manage this way as they may be actually incapable of getting back on their feet. Many of them already have options for shelter but choose to continue on the street -- they may not want to be in an institutional setting. Some of them are outright mentally ill. Many have severe alcoholism or drug habits. Some are paranoid, agoraphobic, or otherwise suspicious of people, government or institutions.

if it is full of people that are seriously mentally ill or with addictions then it does actually become a mental hospital of sorts, not the rehabilitation center imagined.
 
2012-11-30 12:30:48 AM
I hope they all have Cell phones . . .
 
2012-11-30 12:31:33 AM

ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.


What's a mib?
 
2012-11-30 12:31:37 AM

wildcardjack: Hey look, a few years ago Colorado stopped giving a shiat about pot smokers and suddenly the jails are undercrowded to the extent they're getting shut down.


Fort Lyon was a prison dedicated to old, mentally ill and transgendered inmates in the Colorado state prison system. It was closed because the recession made the state re-evaluate the money it spent on specialty prisons. Also, the rate of violent crime has been dropping since 1995, so there are less inmates overall.

So pot may have been part of it, but a very small part.
 
2012-11-30 12:36:10 AM

fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?


It's used in SNMP. It's called a Management Information Block - it's a way to get (or send) information to/from a device like a router on it's stats, etc.
 
2012-11-30 12:36:16 AM
"I survived Korea just to get sent to Las Animas?"
 
2012-11-30 12:36:20 AM
All kidding aside, it's really terrible that veterans still have nowhere to go. Seeing a kid younger than me homeless and helpless because of PTSD, some sickening shiat.
 
2012-11-30 12:36:52 AM
fusillade762: What's a mib?

Exactly.
 
2012-11-30 12:41:18 AM
Hickenlooper is a good governor. I like him. A lot.
 
2012-11-30 12:41:35 AM

Elmo Jones: Me: I'll bet someone around would love to learn how to fix/maintain those issues. Maybe even make it their job. Those vets are crafty like that.


As someone who owns a 160 year-old house and works in an 80 year-old building - labor usually isn't the only big cost factor for maintenance, material is also a big expense. If that complex has ten 60 year-old boilers, all the dedication in the world isn't going to fix them on the cheap.

Plus, as a state facility, they wouldn't be allowed to house people in a building that was fixed by crafty amateurs. There may also be union contracts to deal with, code violations that are seemingly benign but can't be ignored, etc.
 
2012-11-30 12:42:54 AM
" This is old world is one big prison yard.
some of us are prisoners, some of us are guards."

Bob Dylan
 
2012-11-30 12:44:11 AM
ftfa : The prison was closed last year because of a declining prison population


this has to be BS. there is not a single declinig prison population in the entire US. they must mean population transferred from public to private facility , if you did some digging.
 
2012-11-30 12:45:24 AM
Declining prison population? Why don't they lease it out to just about any other state in the nation? Many states are turning prisoners away. I find it hard to believe they don't have enough prisoners to fill it.
 
2012-11-30 12:45:27 AM

Gyrfalcon: The governor's office is asking for $840,000-and an additional $6 million or so over the next two fiscal years-to repurpose the former Fort Lyon Correctional Facility in Las Animas.

And cheap at six times the price. Good on you, governor.


TFA doesn't say a word about where nearly $7 million is supposed to come from. It's a cool idea, and makes me feel better than some other things they could do with the property... but money matters. And they didn't really explain how these hordes of hungry hungry hobos are supposed to get there.
 
2012-11-30 12:46:08 AM

ultraholland: fusillade762: What's a mib?

Exactly.


I know what it is, and I will tell you the whole conspiracy behin... Wait, hold on, I got to get the door. There's some washed out rapper and some old dude at the door wearing sunglasses saying that they want me to look at something. They're probably Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll be back in a minute after I shoo them away to tell you all the rest.
 
2012-11-30 12:47:04 AM
also, what farking prison only sleeps 200 people ? do they mean a jail ? they should be able to get 1000 in there at least.
 
2012-11-30 12:51:26 AM
The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.
 
2012-11-30 12:54:56 AM
This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.
 
2012-11-30 12:57:03 AM

jtown: Declining prison population? Why don't they lease it out to just about any other state in the nation? Many states are turning prisoners away. I find it hard to believe they don't have enough prisoners to fill it.


New Guantanamo?
 
2012-11-30 12:58:56 AM

Spartacus Outlaw: This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.


they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.
 
2012-11-30 01:01:49 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Yeah but if you need a sex change, Trinidad is only 99 miles away.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:17 AM

Mimic_Octopus: ftfa : The prison was closed last year because of a declining prison population


this has to be BS. there is not a single declinig prison population in the entire US. they must mean population transferred from public to private facility , if you did some digging.


Ft. Lyons specialized in inmates with serious medical conditions and transgendered inmates. That population declined. The few remaining inmates were transferred to a state-run women's prison.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:31 AM

jtown: Declining prison population? Why don't they lease it out to just about any other state in the nation? Many states are turning prisoners away. I find it hard to believe they don't have enough prisoners to fill it.


That facility is so old I'm betting private companies don't want it, and the state doesn't have enough money to make it serviceable.
 
2012-11-30 01:04:51 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!
 
2012-11-30 01:06:09 AM

fusillade762: ultraholland: R.A.Danny: they're lost their mibs.

This.

What's a mib?


It's a mibibyte, which is 1024 KiB, and 1085764 B.

/did they lose some RAM?
//or did a few HD sectors get corrupted?
 
2012-11-30 01:11:03 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Yeah but if you need a sex change, Trinidad is only 99 miles away.


Long ago, in the days of dialup BBSes, I had a friend who worked as an anesthesiologist in Trinidad. He was a mail-order minister who fought the IRS in Tax Court 41 times, pro se, and won all but one case (not the last one). He loved working the sex changes.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:06 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.


Came here to say this. At first glance it seems like a great idea, and it may well work. But the residents at this place will have few options for interacting with the real world when they (presumably) start getting their shiat together. In addition to the weather sucking ass for several months of the year, there are only four tiny towns within an hour's bus ride, and the nearest thing that could be called a city (Pueblo) is at least 85mi away.

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It certainly possible, if this facility succeeds its residents more than it fails them, that people living there could become contributing members of society in the little nearby burgs of Las Animas, La Junta, Rocky Ford and Lamar. But it's also likely that those towns will see trouble from this plan which could be hard for spread-thin county sheriffs to handle.

Still, given the relatively modest budget, it seems like it might be worth a shot.
 
2012-11-30 01:12:29 AM

Linkster: BarkingUnicorn: The problem will be getting anyone in his right mind to go to Las Animas voluntarily. It is far out on the southeastern plains, the only incorporated town in its county. Horrific blizzards every winter. 1.3 sq. miles. Pop. 2400ish. Biggest claim to fame is the Kit Carson Museum.

Horrific blizzards every year? If SNOWS, it's windy. FUKING PUSSY!


Says the guy in Arizona. :-)
 
2012-11-30 01:13:13 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Spartacus Outlaw: This sounds like an awful idea.Send them all to some broken-down, out-of-the-way human storage center. How very condescending and dismissive.

they are farking homeless, do you want to build them brand new penthouses with balconies and rooftop gardens in the middle of downtown like farking idiots in portland do, whil taxpayers and workers get priced out ? abandoned strip malls in the burbs is a better idea though.


The space is there, it's already partitioned, has cafeteria, recreation, housing and other facilities. It's set up to handle a transitional population; yet one that will be in place for extended periods. It's equipped to monitor that population and facilitate their training and movement back into society. And it has transportation access already in place for moving people and supplies in and out. Why NOT use it for housing the homeless?

The hard part won't get getting the homeless vets out there; it will be encouraging staff and other professionals to relocate out to BFE to provide services for them. Social workers are not going to want to live a thousand miles from nowhere to assist homeless vets, no matter how committed they are to the cause.
 
2012-11-30 01:17:49 AM
Well, that's my point. No-one wants to be there, especially no-luck-Joes that have no way to get out of there. It's a one-way farking ticket to the end of it all.
 
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