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2012-11-29 08:58:33 PM  
Is this like when someone discovers an "earth-like planet"?

Last week: Here's the planet's size, orbit, distance, gravity. And here's the makeup of its atmosphere and how much water is in its oceans. Also it is tidally locked.

This week: We're not really sure there's a planet there but if there is that's what it would probably be like. Maybe.
 
2012-11-29 09:03:47 PM  

LDM90: Is this like when someone discovers an "earth-like planet"?

Last week: Here's the planet's size, orbit, distance, gravity. And here's the makeup of its atmosphere and how much water is in its oceans. Also it is tidally locked.

This week: We're not really sure there's a planet there but if there is that's what it would probably be like. Maybe.


More like.... "We've discovered an earth-like exo-planet orbiting a nearby white dwarf star. It is 9 times the mass of Earth, seems to have some sort of atmosphere consisting mostly of xenon, no water, and the star is pumping so much radiation that the chance for life is nil, but it's rocky!"
 
2012-11-29 09:08:58 PM  
So, this is the thread we're getting instead of discussing how NASA confirmed the presence of a shiat-load of water ice on Mercury?
 
2012-11-29 09:22:42 PM  

JosephFinn: So, this is the thread we're getting instead of discussing how NASA confirmed the presence of a shiat-load of water ice on Mercury?


Whoopty do. I drink a beer and twenty minutes later got water comin' out of dick. What do I need with ice on the closest ball of rock to a giant nuclear furnace I can't get to from here? If you said nothing, come forth and collect your prize of my aforementioned surplus water.

Kenedy was a crowd pleaser. We went to the moon on his mandate because going to the moon is a sexy project. Everyone wants in. Water ice on Mercury is nipples on a chicken. It's interesting but meaningless.
 
2012-11-29 09:42:32 PM  
"Should we feel this feel?"

That sentence hurt my brain
 
2012-11-29 09:51:59 PM  
I know the page is bogus, but this kept farking with me.

The Mars rover team, operating Curiosity, has also named a feature for Matijevic: a rock that Curiosity recently investigated about halfway around the planet from Matijevic Hill.

"We wouldn't have gotten to Matijevic Hill, eight-and-a-half years after Curiosity's landing, without Jake Matijevic," Squyres said

Full disclosure. I had to take something pretty heavy for a headache this evening, but am I reading this right? They tried to sneak in that Curiosity sprouted wings and flew halfway around Mars? and Curiosity has been around 8.5 when 1 yr just rolled around?

/Man that messed with my head. Fark a migraine I can't take this shiat anymore except on the weekend
 
2012-11-29 09:55:30 PM  

reklamfox: "Should we feel this feel?"

That sentence hurt my brain


No you should feel like I do.
 
2012-11-30 12:08:06 AM  
Wake me when they discover the Prothean archives.
 
2012-11-30 12:20:36 AM  

doglover: Failing that, send some guys up there. Or ladies. No women have been to the moon. Make that your goal and get that sweet, sweet garterbelt money.

You have to feed the public's hunger. Play it up. Make people actually excited.



"No Buck Rogers -- No Bucks."

spectrum.ieee.org
 
2012-11-30 12:57:07 AM  
WHY THE GIBBERING fark IS THIS LINKED FROM IO9 and not NASA!?
 
2012-11-30 01:01:47 AM  

doglover: JosephFinn: So, this is the thread we're getting instead of discussing how NASA confirmed the presence of a shiat-load of water ice on Mercury?

Whoopty do. I drink a beer and twenty minutes later got water comin' out of dick. What do I need with ice on the closest ball of rock to a giant nuclear furnace I can't get to from here? If you said nothing, come forth and collect your prize of my aforementioned surplus water.

Kenedy was a crowd pleaser. We went to the moon on his mandate because going to the moon is a sexy project. Everyone wants in. Water ice on Mercury is nipples on a chicken. It's interesting but meaningless.


Oh, and would you like kitty to Farky you with that!? Because that's damned funny.

/ROFLMAO
 
2012-11-30 02:01:38 AM  
Very disappointed, it's sort of becoming a running joke that every time NASA has some major announcement to be not major, and could just be a basically press release with the info, and not need to hype up a press conference...

In fact, NASA, do me a favor... Don't farking give any press conferences, or announce any "major announcements" unless it's something so radically new that it really would be one of the history books!

Continue releasing news about what you discover, but short of alien life, past or present, unknown materials/elements, or evidence of manufactured items that aren't from Earth... STFU!

p.s. - Don't let that one scientist ever talk to the press again, it's bullshiat hype like that that causes people to get disillusioned with space exploration and think they'll hype shiat up and lie about things to get funding they so desperately need, but assholes that can't see the end game will use against them to reduce funding in Congress!!!
 
2012-11-30 02:18:49 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Ego edo infantia cattus: Mining corporations would be falling over themselves to get there

No, they wouldn't, since unlike naive, wide-eyed delusional children who think "sci-fi" just means "physics", mining companies operate in a little thing I call "reality".


Yes but as has been demonstrated over the years your reality bears little to no relationship to the actual thing the rest of us live in. I'm sure for you it's a wonderful place.

Never forget, the rest of us keep you around because you amuse us biatch. Now, go back to dancing before we get bored and block you.
 
2012-11-30 03:22:27 AM  
If anyone needs some eyecandy to soothe their butthurt from having their childish expectations let down check out this panoramic view of Gale Crater
 
2012-11-30 04:52:25 AM  

Kittypie070: WHY THE GIBBERING fark IS THIS LINKED FROM IO9 and not NASA!?


NASA doesn't give Fark kickbacks for linking them.
=Smidge=
 
2012-11-30 05:15:49 AM  

rwfan: If anyone needs some eyecandy to soothe their butthurt from having their childish expectations let down check out this panoramic view of Gale Crater


Butthurt?

I'm not the one losing billions of dollars each time the budget's drawn up because I lack the skills necessary to talk to the American public and politicians about science. Going to other planets is awesome. Sending probes is less so, but still amazing the first couple times. Now I don't give two shiats about martian geology. Enough with the "billions of years ago" bullshiat and OCD mineralogy. Show me where the life is now, or send me there and I'll look for it myself. If we can't set up shop on mars yet, that should be the thrust of our endeavors. Maybe quantum entanglement could allow for ancible controlled probes so we could search the red planet in real time. That's the kind of crazy that gets willies up. And as strip clubs show, when willies go up wallets come out.
 
2012-11-30 07:40:01 AM  
You mean... a bunch of sensationalizing douchebags will stop trying to take specifically worded reports and statements and bend them into ridiculously moronic talking points?

This is a good thing.
 
2012-11-30 08:33:56 AM  
"Feel the feel"? Really?

Also the phrase "here's the thing."

That blog sucks.
 
2012-11-30 09:01:59 AM  

t3knomanser:

NASA nerds are no different. When they find a rock with a geological composition that isn't in line with what tehy thought they were going to find, they're going to go, "Holy crap! That's farking awesome!" And the rest of the world is going to go, "It's... it's just a rock."


And this pretty much sums it up. How did no one see this coming?
 
2012-11-30 09:07:19 AM  

LesserEvil: It seems that the Curiosity Rover has found PLASTIC on Mars.

To be fair, this might be a bit more than "interesting"

The type of plastic sampled as we know so far can only be formed using petrochemicals, meaning not only that there could possibly be a source of oil on the Red Planet, but that somehow it got turned into plastic. Even more interesting is that oil or petrochemicals used to create this type of plastic are only known to come from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil pointing to the earthshaking evidence that there was once life on mars.


Um... that is really amazing, actually. That would mean that once Mars could have had an enorumous amount of water on it and an extremely large biosphere, not random pockets of bacteria here and there.
 
2012-11-30 09:11:14 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: LesserEvil: It seems that the Curiosity Rover has found PLASTIC on Mars.

To be fair, this might be a bit more than "interesting"

The type of plastic sampled as we know so far can only be formed using petrochemicals, meaning not only that there could possibly be a source of oil on the Red Planet, but that somehow it got turned into plastic. Even more interesting is that oil or petrochemicals used to create this type of plastic are only known to come from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil pointing to the earthshaking evidence that there was once life on mars.

Um... that is really amazing, actually. That would mean that once Mars could have had an enorumous amount of water on it and an extremely large biosphere, not random pockets of bacteria here and there.


shiat... was I just trolled???

Link

/shakes fist
 
2012-11-30 09:11:53 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: LesserEvil: It seems that the Curiosity Rover has found PLASTIC on Mars.

To be fair, this might be a bit more than "interesting"

The type of plastic sampled as we know so far can only be formed using petrochemicals, meaning not only that there could possibly be a source of oil on the Red Planet, but that somehow it got turned into plastic. Even more interesting is that oil or petrochemicals used to create this type of plastic are only known to come from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil pointing to the earthshaking evidence that there was once life on mars.

Um... that is really amazing, actually. That would mean that once Mars could have had an enorumous amount of water on it and an extremely large biosphere, not random pockets of bacteria here and there.


Except its a hoax site. Check the URL.


doglover: rwfan: If anyone needs some eyecandy to soothe their butthurt from having their childish expectations let down check out this panoramic view of Gale Crater

Butthurt?

I'm not the one losing billions of dollars each time the budget's drawn up because I lack the skills necessary to talk to the American public and politicians about science. Going to other planets is awesome. Sending probes is less so, but still amazing the first couple times. Now I don't give two shiats about martian geology. Enough with the "billions of years ago" bullshiat and OCD mineralogy. Show me where the life is now, or send me there and I'll look for it myself. If we can't set up shop on mars yet, that should be the thrust of our endeavors. Maybe quantum entanglement could allow for ancible controlled probes so we could search the red planet in real time. That's the kind of crazy that gets willies up. And as strip clubs show, when willies go up wallets come out.


This. So much this.
 
2012-11-30 09:15:50 AM  

LesserEvil: Prank Call of Cthulhu: LesserEvil: It seems that the Curiosity Rover has found PLASTIC on Mars.

To be fair, this might be a bit more than "interesting"

Ummm...look a little closer at the picture, and at the site URL.

Ah... looks like Slashdot got punked.


Fooled me too, they even registered the domain in a clever way, using NASA info. After I realized this, at the bottom of the page you see this...

Xavier Jenks
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
ad­mi­n[nospam-﹫-backwards]re­tne­ceta­dpuasan*us
NEWS RELEASE: 2012-420
 
2012-11-30 09:17:19 AM  

machoprogrammer: Smoky Dragon Dish: LesserEvil: It seems that the Curiosity Rover has found PLASTIC on Mars.

To be fair, this might be a bit more than "interesting"

The type of plastic sampled as we know so far can only be formed using petrochemicals, meaning not only that there could possibly be a source of oil on the Red Planet, but that somehow it got turned into plastic. Even more interesting is that oil or petrochemicals used to create this type of plastic are only known to come from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil pointing to the earthshaking evidence that there was once life on mars.

Um... that is really amazing, actually. That would mean that once Mars could have had an enorumous amount of water on it and an extremely large biosphere, not random pockets of bacteria here and there.

Except its a hoax site. Check the URL.


doglover: rwfan: If anyone needs some eyecandy to soothe their butthurt from having their childish expectations let down check out this panoramic view of Gale Crater

Butthurt?

I'm not the one losing billions of dollars each time the budget's drawn up because I lack the skills necessary to talk to the American public and politicians about science. Going to other planets is awesome. Sending probes is less so, but still amazing the first couple times. Now I don't give two shiats about martian geology. Enough with the "billions of years ago" bullshiat and OCD mineralogy. Show me where the life is now, or send me there and I'll look for it myself. If we can't set up shop on mars yet, that should be the thrust of our endeavors. Maybe quantum entanglement could allow for ancible controlled probes so we could search the red planet in real time. That's the kind of crazy that gets willies up. And as strip clubs show, when willies go up wallets come out.

This. So much this.


Yeah, I realized that right after I posted the first time. I yielded to the troll in the post right before this. He got me.
 
2012-11-30 09:36:25 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Yeah, I realized that right after I posted the first time. I yielded to the troll in the post right before this. He got me.


Hey, I resemble that remark.... well, not really. I picked up the story from Slashdot, and posted before realizing I got trolled (and slashdot, as well), too.

We'd all like to believe Curiosity found something significant - but it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.
 
2012-11-30 09:55:50 AM  

LesserEvil: Smoky Dragon Dish: Yeah, I realized that right after I posted the first time. I yielded to the troll in the post right before this. He got me.

Hey, I resemble that remark.... well, not really. I picked up the story from Slashdot, and posted before realizing I got trolled (and slashdot, as well), too.

We'd all like to believe Curiosity found something significant - but it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.


My hat's off to whoever did that. If you do a whois on the domain, that could fool non-technical people. If Slashdot got fooled, I'm in good company. I also Googled Xavier Jenks, and that name is associated with this website: Link, which doesn't appear to take itself seriously.

The nice touch at the end was that it was press release 2012-420.
 
2012-11-30 11:42:02 AM  
zs1.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-11-30 01:51:54 PM  

doglover: I'm not the one losing billions of dollars each time the budget's drawn up because I lack the skills necessary to talk to the American public and politicians about science. Going to other planets is awesome. Sending probes is less so, but still amazing the first couple times. Now I don't give two shiats about martian geology. Enough with the "billions of years ago" bullshiat and OCD mineralogy. Show me where the life is now, or send me there and I'll look for it myself. If we can't set up shop on mars yet, that should be the thrust of our endeavors. Maybe quantum entanglement could allow for ancible controlled probes so we could search the red planet in real time. That's the kind of crazy that gets willies up. And as strip clubs show, when willies go up wallets come out.


Apparently you don't give two shiats about what quantum entanglement is either.
 
2012-11-30 03:13:42 PM  
[listens to QA's boring, predictable snivelling yet again]

[laughs]
 
2012-11-30 04:14:22 PM  

LesserEvil: Smoky Dragon Dish: Yeah, I realized that right after I posted the first time. I yielded to the troll in the post right before this. He got me.

Hey, I resemble that remark.... well, not really. I picked up the story from Slashdot, and posted before realizing I got trolled (and slashdot, as well), too.

We'd all like to believe Curiosity found something significant - but it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.


It's possible they found something significant, significant to scientists. Not organic compounds and not something interesting to the general public. We will know next week.

/I don't blame the guy for being excited about getting his first results, if my experiment flew to mars and worked I would be excited too.
 
2012-11-30 07:26:12 PM  
The PR department, and you, are the reason it was downgraded.
The PR department understands that you (yes, you. Exactly you, not the general use of you) are an idiot.

The news is likely that they found what they expected to find in the dirt. It confirms some theories and equations.
That is huge news, and really is "earth shaking".
But only for someone able to understand what it means. And that person isn't you.
 
2012-11-30 07:29:02 PM  

ds615: The PR department, and you, are the reason it was downgraded.
The PR department understands that you (yes, you. Exactly you, not the general use of you) are an idiot.

The news is likely that they found what they expected to find in the dirt. It confirms some theories and equations.
That is huge news, and really is "earth shaking".
But only for someone able to understand what it means. And that person isn't you.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-30 11:05:14 PM  
We find amino acids on farking comets. Wake me when we find multi-cellular life.
 
2012-12-01 04:52:49 AM  
If the news is that there's helium, especially helium3, in the rocks of Mars, then it'll be as important as finding oil, diamonds, rare earths or precious metals as far as spurring missions. (Finding actual life on Mars would most likely cause a sharp decline in missions, owing to the Prime Directive for Xenobiologicals that is or will be established to prevent damage to or human influence upon an alien biosphere.)

Helium, which is a non-renewable, very finite resource on Earth, is already nearly depleted worldwide due in no small part to the general ignorance of businesses and consumers who expect that the prodigal use of it in frivolous endeavors such as massive balloon displays at sporting and political events, birthday parties, parades and non-scientific stratospheric skydives (30 million cubic feet of helium lost for no reason other than to break a world record?!?!) does no harm because it doesn't explode, is non-toxic and doesn't require special permits or licenses to obtain. ...And while I'm on a rant: Mythbusters really should use hydrogen instead of helium because then they can blow it up afterwards.

We can't just bash hydrogen atoms together or crack heavier elements with a proton beam to produce more of it in quantity (yet), and unlike hydrogen or hot air, which may be a little 'splodey and not nearly as lifty, respectively, there isn't a nearly-unlimited supply and easy way to obtain and recycle helium available.

Peak Helium is real, and we've already gone past it.
 
2012-12-02 07:05:57 PM  
The moment that I heard that NPR report I knew it would be one of two things:

1) Something earthshaking to ordinary geeks.
2) Something earthshaking to someone whose like is dedicated to studying Martian geochemistry.

It is not uncommon for those close to a particular type of research to say that the research is more earthshaking than it really is.

Oh well, I was not expecting there to be living microbial Martians anyways. Though I would have just loved to be wrong. Still a slight chance that I might be wrong but it would foolish to bet that I am now. Still, Curiosity's scientists will be releasing over the course of the next few years a great deal of information about the chemistry of Mars. This is information that is needed so scientists can start to truly get a handle on the planet.

/Life in the past is far more likely though not a shoe-in. It hard to give odds as 1) we don't know how Earth life formed and 2) we still need the chemistry data from Curiosity as well as from future probes.
 
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