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(Smithsonian Magazine)   Bodies of climbers who die while attempting to climb Mt. Everest are used as c) landmarks (images of bodies in article)   ( blogs.smithsonianmag.com) divider line
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2012-11-29 03:20:28 PM  
10 votes:
I try to keep myself out of places called "The Death Zone"
2012-11-29 03:09:50 PM  
4 votes:
I like adrenalin as much as the next guy, but when I am using bodies of those that have failed before me it's time to find a safer way to thrill seek.
2012-11-29 06:16:57 PM  
3 votes:
Humans are a funny lot. if I were younger and healthier and human space exploration were more of a reality, I wouldn't mind risking my life that way. I would risk any kind of death to step on a new planet or see extraterrestrial life, if it were possible. In some ways it would be an honor to be the first human eaten by alien animals, and hopefully it would be educational for others.

Yet for some reason I don't even really understand, I think mountain climbers are just about the most stupid and useless fools in the world, doing useless risky things, to get to useless places, to learn nothing because there is nothing there left to learn, and yet managing to wring some kind of bizarre, masturbatory satisfaction out of it. I bet they are incredibly dull people at heart, and probably a bit pretentious as well.

Oh well, it takes all kinds, I guess. And even if they are silly and useless, most of them end up stuck frozen to the sides of mountains where I don't have to deal with them anyway. And if I ever got my wish of space travel but died in launch, maybe my frozen orbiting corpse would look down at their frozen corpses and wave.

/I understand ambition....I just don't understand pointless ambition.
2012-11-29 06:39:20 PM  
2 votes:

AdamK: because of the challenge of pushing the human body to its limit


i'd have bought that for the first few, but now people in their 70's climb everest. if you're a fit dude in your 30's climbing next to a woman in her 70's, you're not really pushing the limit of the human body.
2012-11-29 03:55:41 PM  
2 votes:

coco ebert: sammyk: I like adrenalin as much as the next guy, but when I am using bodies of those that have failed before me it's time to find a safer way to thrill seek.

Mountain climbing isn't about adrenalin rushes. It's a slower process and brings a different kind of satisfaction.


Climbing Mt. Everest must be very satisfactory
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...if you like standing in line
2012-11-29 03:48:30 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: I try to keep myself out of places called "The Death Zone"

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2012-11-29 03:45:42 PM  
2 votes:
Both Aydin Irmak and Lincoln Hall were left for dead by climbers on the way to the summit, only to be rescued (and even walk down) by others later. Beck Weathers was also prematurly given up for dead. "Well, he's alive and breathing, but ahhh he'll probably die and I have a summet to make" strikes me as a little selfish, but I am not a climber.
2012-11-29 03:00:34 PM  
2 votes:
"Into thin Air", documents it rather nicely as well as a host of other books.
2012-11-29 02:49:50 PM  
2 votes:
Why can't they just take a helicopter?
2012-11-29 10:46:44 PM  
1 vote:
New Business Idea:

Have a service that helicopters the dead up the Everest to serve as landmarks for others.

Options include:
1. Full face exposure to scare people (we can even put fake eyeballs in so when you slowly rot you're still looking at all of the passers by)
2. whacky poses (e.g. I wanna be humping my dog in an ice cave while giving a thumbs up to passers by)
3. The leisure death (we take put you in a wife beater and boxers and put you an a lazy-boy with a tv in front of you to make it look like you died not giving a crap about the mountain)
4. group scenes (cannibals? murder/suicide scenes? we got you covered) 

/I am already counting the money
2012-11-29 09:48:07 PM  
1 vote:
Sherpas are very, very superstitious/religious/wary of the dead. They are not, in a general sense, willing to be part of any operation that involves moving the dead. There are other aspects of Sherpa culture involved with sacrifices made (in terms of behavior, not....living things) that are done to appease the mountains. Essentially, what I understand, is that the Sherpas believe that if you piss off the mountain, you die, and they don't want to further anger the mountain by trying to take you back. Anyone who knows otherwise, jump in.

I understand mountain climbing. I live in Colorado, and I regularly head out alone to camp out and climb one. It's an amazing experience to be on a summit.

That being said, I'm not reckless or stupid. If I'm going alone, I tend to stick to well-traveled routes. I always carry a GPS communicator. People know my routes. Mountains are no joke, and I'm very much aware of the ones that are beyond my abilities. A lot of people die in the mountains. That being said, I have ZERO interest in climbing Everest. The commercialization of the climb means that basically anyone with enough money is allowed on the mountain, with the end result being many, many people that are waaaaayyyyy beyond their limit. They end up limping along because they pay for the support services - how many of these people would actually be able to make it up (and down!!) under their own steam, without supplemental oxygen and Sherpa support?

I know my limits. There's a reason I stick to class III climbs. I have no business being beyond that, and I'm not willing to take stupid risks just to summit a mountain. I've turned back before, and have never regretted it.
2012-11-29 08:54:23 PM  
1 vote:
$25,000-$40,000 to blow on this meaningless ego trip, not counting your gear and prior training and other expeditions?

No sympathy, derpsicle.
2012-11-29 08:18:46 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: I try to keep myself out of places called "The Death Zone"


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2012-11-29 07:18:19 PM  
1 vote:

hvilaichez: Fark is about two days behind reddit on this one.


DAMN!! I really could have used this information two days ago! Oh, the time, the money...the lives that would have been saved if only I knew this two days ago!!
2012-11-29 07:08:45 PM  
1 vote:
There are a lot of things that people do that I have no desire to do, but I can see the appeal.

Climbing Everest is not one of them. It is beyond me why anyone wants to do this.
2012-11-29 07:04:36 PM  
1 vote:

Lollipop165: I have a feeling that many of those who died would gave been pretty proud to have their bodies left up there.

For these types of people, they'd rather go that route than not live and die old in a hospital bed having not done much.

My incredibly intellectually gifted scientist dad keeps on talking about how NASA is considering a program to send aging people on a one way trip to Mars to do studies over there. If it happens, he would gladly sign up.

He's absolutely serious about it.

For some people, that us REAL living.


Really? I'd be willing to bet that every one of those frozen had phenomenal regret for their decision when they were at the end and not a single fark was given about romantic notions of death. Among the things they all shared in common was, "It won't happen to me." Kids on chemo with no hair should be allowed to line the lower trails and falcon punch every climber in the gonads before they get their license to climb.
2012-11-29 06:59:55 PM  
1 vote:

tlchwi02: AdamK: because of the challenge of pushing the human body to its limit

i'd have bought that for the first few, but now people in their 70's climb everest. if you're a fit dude in your 30's climbing next to a woman in her 70's, you're not really pushing the limit of the human body.


Not to mention the sherpas that do it over and over again...

To me it appears pointless also. I'd prefer it if people put as much time, money and energy into something that would actually make the world a better place, but if people want to kill themselves doing something I don't understand, that is their business. I assume they all know that their corpse will be left there if they die attempting this, so I am okay with that too. If you don't want to be a frozen human road sign, then don't do the climb.
2012-11-29 06:08:01 PM  
1 vote:

DrRatchet: Both Aydin Irmak and Lincoln Hall were left for dead by climbers on the way to the summit, only to be rescued (and even walk down) by others later. Beck Weathers was also prematurly given up for dead. "Well, he's alive and breathing, but ahhh he'll probably die and I have a summet to make" strikes me as a little selfish, but I am not a climber.


I would assume it's an "every man for himself" situation, and if you turn into a hero all of a sudden, it could mean that you just chose to die.
2012-11-29 05:54:29 PM  
1 vote:
I'm the first to have a a Jack?

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2012-11-29 05:54:21 PM  
1 vote:
Climbing Everest 1953-1980 = Amazing. 1980-1990= Cool. 1990-Now = Attention whore.
2012-11-29 05:51:47 PM  
1 vote:

thisiszombocom: vernonFL: I try to keep myself out of places called "The Death Zone"

How about Danger Zones? Are they ok?


Only the highway that leads to them.
2012-11-29 05:45:07 PM  
1 vote:
I wonder if they dropped any good loot.
2012-11-29 05:34:17 PM  
1 vote:
I'm sure the bodies are frozen solid and stuck to the surrounding ice and snow and rock. Also, kudos to subby for an amusingly callous use of the "cool" tag.
2012-11-29 05:32:07 PM  
1 vote:
It's a mountain. Why don't they just roll the bodies down the steep side? They can make a game of it, using spent oxygen cannisters to make it like bowling.
2012-11-29 04:04:52 PM  
1 vote:
Here's an article with many more pictures and some videos of the dead climbers.
2012-11-29 03:24:24 PM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: I'll wait for the helicopter tours.


Have fun.  It is one thing to pay $100.000's of dollars to risk your life, another to pay someone $5000 to save it.  The assumption that high on the mountain means you are on your own is a given, many/most of the bodies came before the stunt you seem to like.  You asked for an answer, I gave you one, maybe not the most informed, but I'm sure I am a small tad more qualified than you to discuss realistic aviation.
 
I didn't whiz in you Wheaties, you did.
2012-11-29 03:19:34 PM  
1 vote:

sammyk: I like adrenalin as much as the next guy, but when I am using bodies of those that have failed before me it's time to find a safer way to thrill seek.


Mountain climbing isn't about adrenalin rushes. It's a slower process and brings a different kind of satisfaction.
2012-11-29 03:13:11 PM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: Fear_and_Loathing: Because People in power are Stupid: Why can't they just take a helicopter?

Too high:  The top of Everest is at the altitude that airliners cruise at.   Beck Weathers and Gau were barely helicoptered out.  The living and the dead usually get left behind in the "Death Zone".

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0509/whats_new/helicopte r_ everest.html


Not generally available nor practical given the terrian, communications, altitude, finances and logistics.  That was a stunt.
2012-11-29 03:12:58 PM  
1 vote:
Should I clutch my pearls or something? Don't go into the Death Zone or approach it without knowing the risks. Also know that there are a lot of douchecanoes who will not let anything or anyone get in their way in making it to the top.*

*With the help of oxygen and Sherpas carrying their shiat for them.
2012-11-29 03:06:20 PM  
1 vote:
Anatoli Boukreev: Wrote an interesting rubuttal to "Into Thin Air."
2012-11-29 02:53:04 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: that's just... wrong.


More useful than most dead folk are. Hell, more useful than a lot of the live ones out there.
2012-11-29 02:49:48 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: that's just... wrong.


Well it's not like the dead climbers are still using them.
 
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