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(Smithsonian Magazine)   Bodies of climbers who die while attempting to climb Mt. Everest are used as c) landmarks (images of bodies in article)   (blogs.smithsonianmag.com) divider line 269
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2012-11-29 06:22:46 PM  

FlashHarry: that's just... wrong.


Okay, YOU go drag that dead frozen carcass down that stupid hill.

I see it as recycling. How could you pound a sign post into that rock anyway?
 
2012-11-29 06:26:24 PM  
Oh, and you know what else is cool? Millions of years from now, archeologists are going to be digging up THESE bodies. These guys could be the "Lucy"s of the future!
 
2012-11-29 06:26:26 PM  
That's unfortunate but that's part of the deal when you decide to do something extreme like that.

Bringing too many supplies could compromise your own survival because it's fewer people carrying more things. In this instance there IS no way to help other climbers without putting your own team at significant risk of death too.
 
rpl
2012-11-29 06:27:01 PM  

rickythepenguin: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 220x276]

The body of "Green Boots," an Indian climber who died in 1996 and is believed to be Tsewang Paljor, lies near a cave that all climbers must pass on their way to the peak. Green Boots now serves as a waypoint marker that climbers use to gauge how near they are to the summit. Green Boots met his end after becoming separated from his party. He sought refuge in a mountain overhang, but to no avail. He sat there shivering in the cold until he died.


SWIPER, NO SWIPING!


Reaper, no reaping!
 
2012-11-29 06:27:11 PM  
Dead bodies as way points? I wonder if they do that in Detroit?

"Yeah, just turn right at the dead gang banger and left at the little old lady with a bullet in her head. McDonald's will be on your right. If you get to the businessman with the knife in his chest, you done went too far."
 
2012-11-29 06:27:18 PM  
Couldn't you just bring a cool sled or something for the ride down if you're in trouble? Yeah yeah I know, there's cliffs, rocks and other stuff. But, I certainly would rather die at the end of a thrilling saucer ride than to freeze to death.
 
2012-11-29 06:27:32 PM  
Fark is about two days behind reddit on this one.
 
2012-11-29 06:28:07 PM  

coco ebert: sammyk: I like adrenalin as much as the next guy, but when I am using bodies of those that have failed before me it's time to find a safer way to thrill seek.

Mountain climbing isn't about adrenalin rushes. It's a slower process and brings a different kind of satisfaction.


i know when i see the corpses of others who attempted the same hobby as me, i always am bathed in "satisfaction".
 
2012-11-29 06:28:48 PM  

Canned Tamales: Humans are a funny lot. if I were younger and healthier and human space exploration were more of a reality, I wouldn't mind risking my life that way. I would risk any kind of death to step on a new planet or see extraterrestrial life, if it were possible. In some ways it would be an honor to be the first human eaten by alien animals, and hopefully it would be educational for others.

Yet for some reason I don't even really understand, I think mountain climbers are just about the most stupid and useless fools in the world, doing useless risky things, to get to useless places, to learn nothing because there is nothing there left to learn, and yet managing to wring some kind of bizarre, masturbatory satisfaction out of it. I bet they are incredibly dull people at heart, and probably a bit pretentious as well.

Oh well, it takes all kinds, I guess. And even if they are silly and useless, most of them end up stuck frozen to the sides of mountains where I don't have to deal with them anyway. And if I ever got my wish of space travel but died in launch, maybe my frozen orbiting corpse would look down at their frozen corpses and wave.

/I understand ambition....I just don't understand pointless ambition.


I'm not a climber but I love reading about climbers. I don't think it's masturbatory or bizarre or useless. I think for them it's about the process of climbing. Yes, it's nice to reach the top, but it's not about discovering something new. Instead, it's experiencing the air, the rocks, the climb, the challenge, etc. It's more experiential in some ways than goal-oriented, even though the whole enterprise is driven by the desire to climb a mountain. That's a bit philosophical, but I think the more seasoned climbers who ponder these types of things with more depth argue something similar to that.
 
2012-11-29 06:30:05 PM  

FlashHarry: that's just... wrong.


If taking their bodies down would risk other people's lives, no, not really.
 
2012-11-29 06:31:05 PM  
I wonder if the families of those people are offended by this or if they see it as their loved one being remembered.
 
2012-11-29 06:34:03 PM  
it's not so much that people can't try to save others, it's that usually more rescuers die than the actual person needing saved

Canned Tamales: Humans are a funny lot. if I were younger and healthier and human space exploration were more of a reality, I wouldn't mind risking my life that way. I would risk any kind of death to step on a new planet or see extraterrestrial life, if it were possible. In some ways it would be an honor to be the first human eaten by alien animals, and hopefully it would be educational for others.

Yet for some reason I don't even really understand, I think mountain climbers are just about the most stupid and useless fools in the world, doing useless risky things, to get to useless places, to learn nothing because there is nothing there left to learn, and yet managing to wring some kind of bizarre, masturbatory satisfaction out of it. I bet they are incredibly dull people at heart, and probably a bit pretentious as well.

Oh well, it takes all kinds, I guess. And even if they are silly and useless, most of them end up stuck frozen to the sides of mountains where I don't have to deal with them anyway. And if I ever got my wish of space travel but died in launch, maybe my frozen orbiting corpse would look down at their frozen corpses and wave.

/I understand ambition....I just don't understand pointless ambition.


because of the challenge of pushing the human body to its limit
 
2012-11-29 06:36:08 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-11-29 06:36:38 PM  

toraque: I still don't understand this blatant disrespect for the dead....At the very least, you'd think some of the climbers coming back down could kick a corpsesicle out of the snow and ride it down like a bobsled, or just tie a bunch of garbage around it


You have a strange idea of what "respect for the dead" would mean...
 
2012-11-29 06:39:20 PM  

AdamK: because of the challenge of pushing the human body to its limit


i'd have bought that for the first few, but now people in their 70's climb everest. if you're a fit dude in your 30's climbing next to a woman in her 70's, you're not really pushing the limit of the human body.
 
2012-11-29 06:44:12 PM  
ScotterOtter: Couldn't you just bring a cool sled or something for the ride down if you're in trouble? Yeah yeah I know, there's cliffs, rocks and other stuff. But, I certainly would rather die at the end of a thrilling saucer ride than to freeze to death.

shiat I'm separated from the group and out of bottled oxygen in whiteout conditions (pulls out sled) LEEEEEEEEEROY JEEEEEENKINS
 
2012-11-29 06:48:18 PM  

inner ted: coco ebert: sammyk: I like adrenalin as much as the next guy, but when I am using bodies of those that have failed before me it's time to find a safer way to thrill seek.

Mountain climbing isn't about adrenalin rushes. It's a slower process and brings a different kind of satisfaction.

i know when i see the corpses of others who attempted the same hobby as me, i always am bathed in "satisfaction".


On the plus side, "satisfaction" is pretty warm. You know, until it freezes.
 
2012-11-29 06:48:58 PM  
God damn... that's hardcore.

Any sport where you use the people who died ahead of you as a waypoint on a map for the people behind you has got my respect.

/respect
//seriously
 
2012-11-29 06:50:36 PM  

IamAwake: You have a strange idea of what "respect for the dead" would mean...


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2012-11-29 06:50:41 PM  
1 in 4 people die on mount Everest. Well that is if you are not one of the native people who can climb it without a second thought.
 
2012-11-29 06:52:48 PM  
In 2006, English climber David Sharp joined Green Boots. He stopped in the now-infamous cave to rest. His body eventually froze in place, rendering him unable to move but still alive. Over 40 climbers passed by him as he sat freezing to death. His plight might have been overlooked as passers-by assumed Sharp was the already-dead Green Boots. Eventually, some heard faint moans, realized he was still alive, and, too late, attempted to give him oxygen or help him stand.

How long can someone stay alive in that state?
 
2012-11-29 06:54:10 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: coco ebert: sammyk: I like adrenalin as much as the next guy, but when I am using bodies of those that have failed before me it's time to find a safer way to thrill seek.

Mountain climbing isn't about adrenalin rushes. It's a slower process and brings a different kind of satisfaction.

Climbing Mt. Everest must be very satisfactory
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...if you like standing in line


F that
 
2012-11-29 06:59:55 PM  

tlchwi02: AdamK: because of the challenge of pushing the human body to its limit

i'd have bought that for the first few, but now people in their 70's climb everest. if you're a fit dude in your 30's climbing next to a woman in her 70's, you're not really pushing the limit of the human body.


Not to mention the sherpas that do it over and over again...

To me it appears pointless also. I'd prefer it if people put as much time, money and energy into something that would actually make the world a better place, but if people want to kill themselves doing something I don't understand, that is their business. I assume they all know that their corpse will be left there if they die attempting this, so I am okay with that too. If you don't want to be a frozen human road sign, then don't do the climb.
 
2012-11-29 07:04:04 PM  
sometimesinteresting.files.wordpress.com

"Luke, I can climb no farther."
 
2012-11-29 07:04:36 PM  

Lollipop165: I have a feeling that many of those who died would gave been pretty proud to have their bodies left up there.

For these types of people, they'd rather go that route than not live and die old in a hospital bed having not done much.

My incredibly intellectually gifted scientist dad keeps on talking about how NASA is considering a program to send aging people on a one way trip to Mars to do studies over there. If it happens, he would gladly sign up.

He's absolutely serious about it.

For some people, that us REAL living.


Really? I'd be willing to bet that every one of those frozen had phenomenal regret for their decision when they were at the end and not a single fark was given about romantic notions of death. Among the things they all shared in common was, "It won't happen to me." Kids on chemo with no hair should be allowed to line the lower trails and falcon punch every climber in the gonads before they get their license to climb.
 
2012-11-29 07:06:28 PM  
ONE picture, I am dissapointed
 
2012-11-29 07:08:45 PM  
There are a lot of things that people do that I have no desire to do, but I can see the appeal.

Climbing Everest is not one of them. It is beyond me why anyone wants to do this.
 
2012-11-29 07:11:05 PM  

lordargent: I wonder if they dropped any good loot.


make sure you kill those f*cking Rats first.
 
2012-11-29 07:11:57 PM  

sid2112: ONE picture, I am dissapointed


Click the altered dimensions hyperlink, they're more.
 
2012-11-29 07:11:59 PM  

naturalbornworldshaker: "Luke, I can climb no farther."


I LOL'd
 
2012-11-29 07:13:25 PM  

hvilaichez: Fark is about two days behind reddit on this one.


Unless you go to r/offbeat which is two days behind fark.
 
2012-11-29 07:14:13 PM  
Founder of Intrade is one of those bodies. I don't know if he's a marker but his corpse is like 50m from the summit. Left behind not only a company, but his wife and three young kids.

Because People in power are Stupid: You whiz in me Wheaties because their there.


It's kinda funny when people so obviously can't handle being wrong. The unmodified helicopter summited Everest 7 years ago (as your link showed). No doubt the person who signed that flight plan was sacked. If the Nepalese govt didn't have an enormous self-interest in stopping such flights, there would be routine flights already, obviously weather condition dependent.
 
2012-11-29 07:15:59 PM  
lordargent: I wonder if they dropped any good loot.

You've been playing Borderlands 2, haven't you.
 
kth
2012-11-29 07:16:58 PM  

Hoboclown: wallywam1: DrRatchet: Both Aydin Irmak and Lincoln Hall were left for dead by climbers on the way to the summit, only to be rescued (and even walk down) by others later. Beck Weathers was also prematurly given up for dead. "Well, he's alive and breathing, but ahhh he'll probably die and I have a summet to make" strikes me as a little selfish, but I am not a climber.

He was left on the way back down. His group was trapped in a blizzard and hurricane-force winds (visibility of only a few yards). Weathers was unresponsive, and the guides left him behind because they were physically unable to carry him due to thin air and difficult terrain. They felt that if they didn't push on toward shelter then the entire group was going to die.

The Beck Weathers story is pretty crazy from that day. Not sure if I consider him the most lucky or least lucky.


I've read most of the books about that disaster. However, I got Into Thin Air on CD for my commute. Somehow it was so. much. worse. hearing the story out loud.

Now I need to find Into the Void on CD.

If you like those types of books (as I do), one that I highly recommend is Deep Survival. There are some farked up stories on there (including the author's).
 
2012-11-29 07:18:19 PM  

hvilaichez: Fark is about two days behind reddit on this one.


DAMN!! I really could have used this information two days ago! Oh, the time, the money...the lives that would have been saved if only I knew this two days ago!!
 
2012-11-29 07:20:07 PM  

naturalbornworldshaker: [sometimesinteresting.files.wordpress.com image 511x333]

"Luke, I can climb no farther."


Heheh, I thought of Vader too when I saw that, but couldn't think of a funny. Well done.
 
2012-11-29 07:23:27 PM  

naturalbornworldshaker: [sometimesinteresting.files.wordpress.com image 511x333]

"Luke, I can climb no farther."


Wow, that was so terrible. And I laughed SO HARD.
 
2012-11-29 07:24:52 PM  
Maybe if Green Boots hadn't worn his ski boots he would have made it down the mountain in one piece.
 
2012-11-29 07:28:03 PM  

lordargent: I wonder if they dropped any good loot.


I could never resist rooting through corpses. Take it all, sell it all... profit!
 
2012-11-29 07:34:11 PM  
Can't they just roll the bodies downhill and let gravity do the rest?
 
2012-11-29 07:35:08 PM  
non climbers just do not understand and will never understand. They think its callous to leave the bodies up there they just dont know.

in 2010, magyal sherpa led a team of sherpas on mount everest to remove oxygen bottles three bodies from the death zone.

He led a team of 20 climbers to bring down the bodies one at a time.

Good luck going up by your lonesome and bringing back a body, alive or dead, you don't know how hard it is.
 
2012-11-29 07:35:34 PM  
Still better than being used as a bike rack....
 
2012-11-29 07:36:20 PM  

toraque: I still don't understand this blatant disrespect for the dead. I mean, sure the other climbers can't do anything to help them, but they shouldn't just leave the dead bodies up there, considering all they'd have to do is wait until the dead guys freeze solid and then smash bits of them off with a rock, and toss them over the nearest ledges. The sherpas at the bottom could just sweep up all the bits into an urn or something. Sure, there'd probably be some parts that'd get lost in a crevice on the way down or maybe eaten by mountain goats or something but seriously, we're talking about giving these people a dignified final resting place.

At the very least, you'd think some of the climbers coming back down could kick a corpsesicle out of the snow and ride it down like a bobsled, or just tie a bunch of garbage around it-they pack their garbage out, don't they?-set the stiff on fire and lob it off the mountainside like some kind of a Viking Air Burial (bonus points if an oxygen tank explodes like a firework, of course)

We're talking basic respect for the dead, here.


you are joking....please....I invoke Poe's law
 
2012-11-29 07:38:19 PM  
Your Taun Taun will freeze before you reach the first marker
 
2012-11-29 07:49:05 PM  

Blushing Wall Flower: I wonder if the families of those people are offended by this or if they see it as their loved one being remembered stupid.


FTFY
 
2012-11-29 07:49:06 PM  

brap: Great, now I have a farking  Greensleeves earworm.


Better than the Tom Bombadil one I caught.
 
2012-11-29 07:49:32 PM  

Oldiron_79: Your Taun Taun will freeze before you reach the first marker


Then I'll see you in Hell!
 
2012-11-29 07:52:07 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: "Into thin Air", documents it rather nicely as well as a host of other books.


I watched an excellent Everest documentary several years back that was either by National Geographic or just aired by them. It detailed an expedition where people were separated from the group and how they fought to stay alive through the night while others nearby died. It was a mix of interviews with the survivors while also profiling those who died. I Can't remember the name of it. I'm pretty sure it's not Into thin Air. Does anyone know of the doc I'm talking about?
I'd love to watch it again.
 
2012-11-29 07:58:14 PM  
Low oxygen, treacherous terrain, numbing cold. Once they get past a certain point, they have to move fast or they will die.

I've done low level(13 K distance, 500 K ascention) and that was pretty difficult. Couldn't imagine doing everest. In fact the statistics used to be 10% death rate for climbers. Why people want to do something that risky is beyond me. Heck, I've walked around in some pretty mean snowstorms here in Calgary and could barely move in a few of them due to wind, snow depth and so forth. Wouldn't risk my life for a "thrill"
 
2012-11-29 07:58:15 PM  
Helicopter landing on the top of Mt. Everest.
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