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kbronsito: They should get on that just as soon as somoene figures how to reach out to women and hispanic voters w/o alienating the xenophobes and religious nuts that form the base of republican party. I'm sure they have top men working on it now.
impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"
AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?
jst3p: Just curious, what about Ann pisses her off so much?
Vegan Meat Popsicle: the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.What's it like living in the perpetual fog of complete self-unawareness?
the money is in the banana stand: I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion.
the money is in the banana stand: flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole part ...
the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.
flux: I think we have a very good message there. We just have to do a better job with it.Look, guy, the reason people chose to re-elect Obama over your man Romney was not that they just haven't heard your message yet. Outreach isn't going to change anything. It's like thinking that the reason I'm not a Christian is that I just hadn't heard of Jesus.You believe fewer social services and smaller government creates a situation that actually benefits everyone. That's fine. People of means often think this. People without means, or who have been without means, or who can muster just the bare minimum of empathy for people without means without dismissing them all as addicts or lazy or entitled... these people see the value of government and social services. We've heard what you believe. You can repeat it all you want; I'm still going to disagree with you.
FTA: Still, Stevens repeated many of the same points in the interview that he wrote in the op-ed. The major themes of the campaign were still the right ones to go with, he said on Thursday. "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."
mahuika: But they did try to.I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.
NateGrey: Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.Hire that guy./Wombat something
imontheinternet: write your book
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